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JOURNAL" CONTINUES.
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HOST: WE WANT TO WELCOME BACK TO C-SPAN VICTOR CHA, OUT WITH A NEW BOOK, "THE IMPOSSIBLE STATE," NORTH KOREA, PAST AND FUTURE." HOW STRONG IS THE NORTH...
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THE MAKING FOR DECADES. AS WE FOUND OUT LAST DECEMBER, THE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY PUT A SATELLITE INTO ORBIT USING BALLISTIC MISSILE TECHNOLOGY....
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THREAT IN THAT REGION OF THE WORLD AND TO THE U.S. DIRECTLY? GUEST: A VERY SERIOUS
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THREAT. WE HAVE THIS TENDENCY TO THINK OF THEM AS THIS STRANGE COUNTRY IN THE FAR CORNERS OF EUROPE WITH KOOKY LEADERSHIP, BUT THE MET -- DEVELOPMENT...
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NORTH KOREAN PROPAGANDA VIDEO, SAYING THAT THE SHIP WAS PULLED FROM YOUTUBE AND THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO TRACK IT DOWN. CLEARLY TAKING IN THE U.S., ...
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THIS NEWS ANNOUNCEMENT WITH A DREAM OF A NORTH KOREAN CHILD WHO DREAMS HE IS ON A SPACE SHIP AND HE COMES AROUND TO SEE PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES IN...
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AND UNTESTED LEADER IN NORTH KOREA. HOW IS HE VIEWED BY HIS COUNTRY? HOW MUCH POWER DOES HE HAVE IN NORTH KOREA? GUEST: WE
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HAVE VERY LOOSE SENSE OF THIS AT ALL. HE TOOK OVER AS A YOUNGSTER, SUDDEN DEATH OF HIS FATHER IN DECEMBER 2011. IT APPEARS THAT HE HAS DEVELOPED A...
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YOU GIVE TO THE ONLY JOHN KERRY, BUT CHUCK A GOAL, IN DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES? GUEST: NOT TO LET THIS FALL
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ONTO THE BACK BURNER. HISTORICALLY IT HAS BEEN A POLICY ISSUE ON THE BACKSIDE WITH PRESIDENTS OF THIS SOME OTHER THINGS. THIS ISSUE SUDDENLY RISES...
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AVAILABLE ONLINE AND THE HEADLINE IS "THE NEW CAPITALIST." IT SAYS THAT KIM JONG UN MIGHT PROVE TO BE A NEW COMPROMISER. "HE LET HIMSELF BE SEEN WITH...
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THINK THAT IS RIGHT, THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF CAPITALISTIC MARKETS IN THIS SOCIETY, IT REALLY REFLECTS THE FAILURE OF THEIR ECONOMY. IN THE MID-1990'S THE...
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ARE HERE TO STAY. THE REGIME HAS TRIED TO PURGE THEM BY CRACKING DOWN ON THE SMUGGLING, BUT THE TRADERS OFTEN HAVE ENOUGH CASH TO BRIBE THEIR WAY OUT...
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AN ASTUTE OBSERVATION. WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE ELEGANT -- ELEMENTS. THERE IS A LONG WAY TO GO, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT IS CHANGING IS THE...
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IS NOW WITH THE CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES, VICTOR CHA. A GRADUATE OF COLUMBIA AND OXFORD. HE HAS WRITTEN AND CO OFFERED A NUMBER...
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MORNING. MY QUESTION IS WHY DO WE ALLOW CHINA AND OTHERS TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT NORTH KOREA AND MONEYS WE ARE GIVING THEM? AND THEN THEY BLAME THEM AWAY...
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GUEST: TWO VERY IMPORTANT POINTS. THE FIRST IS THAT THE CALLER IS RIGHT. THE ONLY SUPPORTER THESE DAYS IN TERMS OF PROVIDING BOTH FOOD AND ENERGY TO...
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MORE OF A THREAT OF NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA IN A MISTRIAL OR A DIRTY BOMB SET OFF BY A SUICIDE BOMBER? -- IN A MISSLE OR A DIRTY BOMB?
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GUEST: THEY HAVE NOT SUCCESSFULLY MATED A NUCLEAR BOMB WITH A LONG-RANGE MISSILE. THEY COULD PROVIDE THE MATERIAL FOR HER NOSE WHO FOR YEARS IN A DIRTY...
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KOREA STILL COUNTERFEIT IN THE U.S. CURRENCY? GUEST: THIS
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IS A BIT CONCERNED WHEN I WAS IN THE GOVERNMENT. THEY'RE PROBABLY THE NO. 1 AND MOST SUCCESSFUL COUNTERFEITER OF THE U.S. $100 BILL. THERE COUNTERFEITS...
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KOREA'S NUCLEAR CAPABILITY. OUR GUEST IS VICTOR CHA. THE NUMBERS ARE ON YOUR SCREEN. THIS PROGRAM WAS ALSO CARRIED LIVE ON THE BBC PARLIAMENT CHANNEL....
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WASHINGTON. I WANT TO ASK YOU TWO QUESTIONS IF I MAY. THE FIRST QUESTION BEING IF KIM JONG UN MAY REALLY BE IN CONTROL OF THE COUNTRY? HE MAY BE RUN...
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AND WE WILL GET A RESPONSE TO THAT. GUEST: BOTTOM LINE, WE ARE
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NOT SURE. I THINK THE REGIME TRIES TO GIVE OFF ALL THE APPEARANCES THAT HE IS COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY IN CONTROL. MANY EXPERTS BELIEVE THAT WHILE HE IS...
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CALLER: THANK YOU. MY LAST QUESTION IS IF WE ARE SURPRISED GIVEN DATE TAKE IT SO MUCH PRIDE IN THE PROPAGANDA INTERNALLY -- GIVEN THEY TAKE PRID OFE,...
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AN INTERESTING IDEA. THEY HAVE USED A FEW BROADCASTS. THEY HAVE A NATIONAL WEBSITE AS WELL. TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A NEWS CHANNEL TO BROADCAST A ROMAN WORLD...
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ASKED VIRTUALLY EVERY TIME YOU COME ON. ANY HOPE THAT NORTH AND SOUTH KOREA WILL EVER UNITE LIKE GERMANY? GUEST:
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THERE IS ALWAYS A HOPE THAT IT WILL HAPPEN. THERE'S A MINDSET THAT THE CURRENT DIVISION OF THE PENINSULA WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ARTIFICIALLY DONE AND...
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OBAMA'S POLICY TOWARDS NORTH KOREA? HAS IT BEEN WORKING? GUEST:
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THEY WANTED TO CARRY ON THE WORK THAT THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION HAD ACCOMPLISHED IN TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT, BUT THEN THEY TURNED AROUND IN APRIL-MAY...
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ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE REUNIFICATION. WOULD CHINA SUPPORTED DOCKS GUEST: -- SUPPORT IT? GUEST: THE VIEW HAS
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CHANGED OVER TIME. FOR A LONG TIME, MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT CHINESE AND KOREAN INTERESTS WERE ALIGNED. AFTER 2010 WHEN THE NORTH KOREANS DID MILITARY...
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THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. THE PROBLEM IS THE CHINESE REALLY DO NOT WANT TO ENGAGE IN A FORWARD-LOOKING CONVERSATION EITHER WITH US, THE UNITED STATES, OR...
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BY OUR GUEST, "THE IMPOSSIBLE STATE." VICTOR CHA, A FORMER EDUCATOR AT HARVARD, STANFORD. AND HE IS NOW WITH THE CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL...
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HAD A PRETTY WELL RIGHT. HE WAS USING COMMON SENSE THAT OUR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS DO NOT SEEM TO BE USING NOW. ALL CHINA WOULD HAVE TO DO IS GO TO NORTH...
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I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF FOCUS ON THE ROLE THAT CHINA SHOULD PLAY IN THIS. IF THE CALLER SAID CHINA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY PROVIDING GOODS TO NORTH KOREA...
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COMPLIMENT FROM KEN SAYING IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO SEE VICTOR CHA ON YOUR PROGRAM ON WHAT HE CALLS THE "SLAVE STATE DICTATORSHIP OF COMMUNIST NORTH KOREA."...
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CALLER: BRAVO. WE THANK YOU BECAUSE THE FEMALES IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE. WHEN YOU FLIP OVER THE STAINLESS STEEL, AND IT USED...
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COMMENT ON THE PART ABOUT KOREA AND STEEL. THIS REALLY SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE SOUTH KOREAN ECONOMY. SOUTH KOREA, AS MANY CALLERS KNOW, AT THE END OF THE...
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OUT ON THE INDEPENDENT LINE REDO FROM NEBRASKA. -- FROM NEBRASKA ON THE INDEPENDENT LINE. CALLER: DO BELIEVE THEY HAVE
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THE ABILITY TO PUT A NUCLEAR BOMB ON A SHORT, MEDIUM, OR LONG TERM MISSILE? THIS WOULD BE A CONCERN FOR NEIGHBORS IN THE REGION. GUEST: IT WOULD
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BE A CONCERN NOT JUST FOR NEIGHBORS IN THE REGION BUT A CONCERN FOR PEOPLE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. AS OF NOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER NORTH KOREA CAN...
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EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE THE PRODUCT OF PLUTONIUM AND URANIUM USED IN THESE WEAPONS? GUEST: 1 NORTH
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STREET HAS LARGELY DONE IS TO DEVELOP A BOMB THAT IS BASED ON PLUTONIUM. -- WHAT NORTH KOREA HAS DONE IS TO DEVELOP A BOMB BASED ON PLUTONIUM. THE ESTIMATE...
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FROM AUSTIN, TEXAS, GOOD MORNING TO THE PROGRAM -- AND WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM. CALLER: GOOD MORNING,
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MR. CHA. GLAD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU BROUGHT A VERY IMPORTANT MATTER TO THE PROGRAM. PRESIDENT OBAMA AND EVEN PRESIDENT BUSH, YOU...
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THESE OF THE ARGUMENTS OFTEN MADE TO THE CHINESE ABOUT THE ROLE THAT THEY NEED TO PLAY. THE QUESTION IS WHY THIS CHINA NOT DO MORE? I THINK PART OF...
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UP THE REMINDED US OF A PHOTOGRAPH. THIS HAS BEEN ON THE INTERNET. YOU CAN GOOGLE THE IMAGE AND THIS WILL COME UP. IT SHOWS THE LIGHT IN SOUTH KOREA AND...
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ACCURATE, ICONIC PHOTOPERIOD IS NOT ALWAYS AS A LOT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TWO COUNTRIES THAT WERE ESTABLISHED IN THE LATE 1940'S BUT ALSO SAYS...
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STATE, NORTH KOREA PAST AND FUTURE. NEXT CALLER, FORT WAYNE, INDIANA. CALLER: YOU MENTION THE
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POLICIES IN THIS RICH AREA. IT IS BECAUSE OF COMMUNIST CHINA. NORTH KOREA IS THE PUPPET STATE OF COMMUNIST CHINA. I BELIEVE THESE ARE ACTUALLY UNDER...
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CERTAINLY ONE INTERPRETATION AND. THERE MAY BE SOME TRUTH TO THAT. MANY OF THE EXPERTS BELIEVE CHINA WOULD LIKE TO SEE NORTH KOREA STOP DOING THESE TESTS....
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MILITARY DRILLS ARE TAKING PLACE IN SOUTH KOREA. WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS? GUEST: THESE ARE TYPICAL
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AFTER THE BOMBING OF A VESSEL IN THE EAST SEA. THESE ARE ROUTINE DRILLS. I'M SURE THE NORTH KOREANS DO NOT LIKE THEM, BUT WE HAVE A MILITARY ALLIANCE...
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FROM PHOENIX, ARIZ., YOUR QUICK QUESTION FOR VICTOR CHA. CALLER: THANK GOD FOR
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C-SPAN AND THANK YOU, MR. CHA. WE'LL HAVE TO BE NAIVE TO THINK CHINA WILL EVER GIVE UP NORTH KOREA. THEY HAVE A NAVY NOW. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THE...
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GUEST: THE CALLER MAKES A GOOD POINT. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT CHINA WILL NOT GIVE UP NORTH KOREA FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS INCLUDING THE ONES...
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RETURN TO NORTH KOREA? GUEST: I'M WORKING
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ON A DIFFERENT PROJECT, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I FOLLOWED VERY CAREFULLY. HOST: VICTOR CHA,
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ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US. TOMORROW MORNING, WE CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION AT 7:00 A.M. EASTERN TIME, FOR CLOCK FOR THOSE OF YOU ON THE WEST COAST...
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