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JOURNAL CONTINUES. HOST: LUKE
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HOST
ROSIAK, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM. WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THE IDEA FOR THIS STORY? GUEST: I THINK
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GUEST
A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW YOU DO NOT SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE HILL, YOU DO NOT MAKE A LOT OF MONEY, AND YOU HEAR STORIES ABOUT THESE VERY POLISHED POLITICIANS...
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GUEST
LITTLE MORE HIGH PROFILE.
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HOST
HOST: THE ARTICLE GOES ON TO SAY "THE WASHINGTON TIMES" FOUND THE OFFICE WITH THE HIGHEST TURNOVER RATES AND FOUND THEY LOST AN AVERAGE OF ONE THIRD OF...
00:02:01
GUEST
MAKE JUDGMENTS ON WHO IS THE BEST AND WORST. WE ARE LOOKING AT PURELY TURNOVER. WHEN YOU SEE HIGH TURNOVER, IT IS INDICATIVE OF MORALE PROBLEMS, AND...
00:03:33
GUEST
JACKSON LEE HAS THE MOST SENSATIONAL, AND MOST WERE DOCUMENTED BY THE "DAILY CALLER" WHICH HAD A SCATHING EXPOSE. PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO TALK BAD ABOUT...
00:04:45
HOST
THIS BIPARTISAN, BUT ALSO BICAMERAL. YOU WRITE ABOUT CHUCK HAGEL. IT IS NOT THE GROUP HE WANTS TO FIND HIMSELF AMONG, YET DURING HIS TENURE AS A SENATOR...
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GUEST
GUEST: RIGHT. AS SENATORS DO CONSIDER CHUCK HAGEL'NOMINATION, IT IS A WORTHY LINE OF QUESTIONING. IT IS WORTH QUESTIONING WHY HE WAS NOT ABLE TO MAINTAIN...
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HOST
WITH LUKE ROSIAK OF THE "WASHINGTON TIMES " ABOUT THE BEST AND WORST BOSSES ON CAPITOL HILL AND THE HIGH TURNOVER RATE OF CONGRESSIONAL STAFFERS AND THE...
00:07:33
GUEST
IS AN ISSUE THAT IS NOT PARTISAN, BUT AN ISSUE OF PERSONALITY, BUT THAT SAID THERE ARE MORE DEMOCRATS ON THE LIST, AND ALSO MOSTLY DEMOCRATS AMONG THE...
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HOST
ARE THEIR COMMON CHARACTERISTICS DISCOVERED THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE HIGH TURNOVER OR LOW TURNOVER? ,GUEST: IT IS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. ABUSIVE WORKING...
00:10:03
HOST
ARTICLE YOU COULD FIND AT WASHINGTON, -- WASHINGTON TIMES.COM, LUKE ROSIAK WRITES -- WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE INTO THIS CONVERSATION, BUT FIRST,...
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CALLER
YES, SIR. HOW ARE YOU DOING. -- DOING THIS MORNING? HOST: FIND, YOUR
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HOST
THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS. CALLER: IT SEEMS THERE
00:11:05
CALLER
ARE A BUNCH OF 24-YEAR-OLDS WERE TEENAGERS RUNNING THE COUNTRY. THEY CANNOT GET ANYTHING TOGETHER IN CONGRESS AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO LISTEN TO THE PRESIDENT,...
00:11:35
HOST
LUKE ROSIAK? GUEST: PEOPLE DO TALK ABOUT
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GUEST
TERM LIMITS ANY TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND SENSUOUS -- INCESTUOUS BUILDUP. THEY WOULD GET RID OF GOOD MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AS WELL. CALLER: IT SEEMS
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CALLER
THERE ARE A BUNCH OFVIEWERS CAN GO TO WASHINGTON TIMES.COM/BOSSES AND LOOK AT THE RANKINGS. THERE TEND TO BE A VARIETY OF REASONS WHY THEY ARE ON THE...
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HOST
LINE FOR INDEPENDENTS OWING FROM NEW JERSEY HAD CALLER: -- NEW JERSEY. CALLER: I AM QUITE
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CALLER
SHOCKED BY THIS REPORT, AND WHAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS HOW A PERSON ELECTED FOR A TWO-YEAR TERM COULD BE SUCH A JERK, AND WHY DO WE NOT HEAR ABOUT THIS...
00:13:11
GUEST
THESE, AND THE FACT THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE IN OFFICE FOR A SHORT TIME, IT IS PART OF THE REASON THEY ARE HAVING THIS GO TO THEIR HEAD. THEY HAVE NOT...
00:13:36
HOST
WHO WRITES IS THERE ANY BUZZ ABOUT JOHN WEINER? -- JOHN WEINER? HE WOULD BE EASY TO WORK FOR. GREAT PIECE. GUEST:
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GUEST
THANKS. I EXCLUDED HIM BECAUSE OF HIS POSITION AS SPEAKER. HE HAS A VARIETY OF OTHER LEADERSHIP OFFICES. IT BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT TO TRACK AND I DO...
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HOST
YOU ARE ON "WASHINGTON JOURNAL." CALLER: I WANTED TO ASK
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CALLER
IF THERE COULD BE OTHER FACTORS WHY THE TURNOVER RATE IS SO HIGH, LIKE IF THE JOB MIGHT NOT PAY AS MUCH, THE WORKING CONDITIONS, AND HE ALREADY SAID...
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HOST
WATCHING THIS ON THE AIR? CALLER: YES ERIC HOST: LOOK
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CALLER
AT THIS CHART. IT -- YES.
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HOST
HOST: LOOK AT THIS CHART. IT SEEMS LIKE A 50/50 SPLIT, AND WHEN YOU ASK HIM ABOUT THE SPEAKER, HE SAID HE DID NOT KEEP UP WITH HIM. HOST: A --
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HOST
HE SAID IT WAS BECAUSE OF HIS LEADERSHIP POSITION. GUEST: IN SOME
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GUEST
WAYS THERE IS A LOT OF TURNOVER AND THAT IS PROBLEMATIC AND WE TALK ABOUT HOW LOW PAY LEADS TO PEOPLE NOT STAYING IN OFFICE VERY LONG. ABOUT NINE OF 10...
00:16:41
HOST
A SPECIAL LINE FOR CONGRESSIONAL STAFFERS PAST AND PRESENT. 202-585-3883. NANCY, FAIRFIELD, OHIO, OUR LINE FOR REPUBLICANS. GO AHEAD.
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CALLER
CALLER: GOA -- GOOD MORNING. WOULD YOU PLEASE NAME THE TOP FIVE BEST BOSSES THAT ARE REPUBLICANS, AND THE TOP FIVE THAT ARE DEMOCRATS? THANK YOU VERY...
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GUEST
LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME. I HAVE THE TOP FIVE OVERALL. THE BEST MEMBER IN EITHER MEMBER IS JIM MCGOVERN, WHO IS A MASSACHUSETTS...
00:18:51
HOST
IN CALIFORNIA ON OUR LINE FOR INDEPENDENTS. CALLER: I WANTED TO KNOW,
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CALLER
IS THAT BEHAVIOR -- INDICATIVE OF A PSYCHOPATHIC NATURE? [LAUGHTER]GUEST: I THINK WE WOULD NEED PSYCHOLOGIST IN HERE TO ANSWER THAT ONE THIRD HOST: YEAH....
00:19:15
HOST
YEAH. SANDRA. GO AHEAD. CALLER: I HAD
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CALLER
A COMMENT AND A GENERAL QUESTION. I DO NOT THINK IT MATTERS WHO YOU ARE WORKING FOR. I HAVE BEEN IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN MY EXPERIENCE IS IT TYPICALLY...
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GUEST
INTERESTING QUESTIONS, AND I WISH I HAD THE TIME TO EXAMINE HOW OBAMA AND CLINTON DID, BUT I DO NOT HAVE DATA TO VERY INTERESTING QUESTION. HOST: SOMEBODY...
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HOST
THE PAY, AND THE MEDIAN PAY IS BETWEEN $30,000 AND 35 THOUSAND DOLLARS, AND ACCORDING TO AN ARTICLE YOU WROTE LAST YEAR, SENATORS MAKE $174,000. IS THE...
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GUEST
THE RIGHT REASONS OUT OF PATRIOTISM , YOU CAN ONLY DO IT FOR SO LONG. WHEN YOU WANT TO GET MARRIED AND HAVE KIDS, YOU SIMPLY CANNOT DO IT. THE MEDIAN...
00:22:40
HOST
HOST: JOSEPH CALLING FROM BRUNSWICK, GEORGIA. JOSEPH IS A FORMER STAFFER. WHICH SIDE OF THE HILL? CALLER: I
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CALLER
WORKED IN THE HOUSE. HOST:
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HOST
DO YOU WANT TO TELL US WHO YOU WORK FOR? I AM JUST ASKING. CALLER: THANKS ANYWAY
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CALLER
HEARD -- ANYWAY. I WANTED TO KNOW IF LUKE HAD ANY DATA ON HOW MEMBERS OF CONGRESS POLICE THEMSELVES. IF WE HAVE A TROUBLED CHILD WITHIN THE RANKS, WHETHER...
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GUEST
GUEST: THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. YOU CAN NEVER BE A RULE ABOUT BEING SOMEWHAT ABRASIVE AS THEY ARE SUBJECTIVE, AND YOU CAN NEVER REGULATE THAT, BUT THAT...
00:24:48
HOST
IS NO CONGRESSIONAL HUMAN RESOURCES OFFICE YOU CAN GO TO IF YOU HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT HOW YOU ARE BEING TREATED BY YOUR BOSS? GUEST: MEMBERS OF
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GUEST
CONGRESS HAVE A LOT OF INDEPENDENCE AND AUTHORITY. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR TAKING THAT AWAY FROM THEM. SOME OF THESE THINGS, THEY...
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HOST
I ASSUME HE IS TALKING ABOUT HILL STAFFERS AND NOT STAFFERS WORKING IN THE DISTRICT. GUEST: THESE
00:25:37
GUEST
NUMBERS INCLUDE BOTH. DISTRICT OFFICES HAVE MUCH BETTER RETENTION RATES. IF WE WERE TO TAKE OUT DISTRICT STAFFERS, THESE NUMBERS WOULD BE QUITE A BIT...
00:26:23
HOST
TO THE PHONES. WILLIAM IN A BRYAN, TEXAS IS ON OUR LINE FOR INDEPENDENCETS. WILLIAM? CALLER:
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CALLER
HELLO. WHERE DO THE REPRESENTATIVES AND STAFFERS WHO WORK FOR STAFF MEMBERS STACK?
00:26:58
GUEST
GUEST: IT IS A MIXED BAG. SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN WITH THEM SINCE THEIR CAMPAIGN. SOME OF THEM HAVE LOCAL ROOTS, WHICH IS CERTAINLY VALUE BECAUSE OF THE...
00:28:28
HOST
ON OUR LINE FOR DEMOCRATS. CALLER: I
00:28:32
CALLER
KNOW THAT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, PEOPLE TEND TO TOLERATE BAD BOSSES MORE IF THEIR PAY IS HIGHER. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT STATISTIC WAS PUT INTO YOUR...
00:29:02
GUEST
A LOT OF DISCRETION OVER HOW MUCH STAFFERS MAKE, BUT IT IS VERY STANDARDIZED. THERE IS NOT A LOT OF VARIANTS IN HOW MUCH MEMBERS PAY THEIR STAFFERS....
00:30:08
HOST
ROSIAK HAS RIDDEN REGULARLY ON CAMPAIGN FINANCE, CONSENSUS, AND CORRUPTION -- WRITTEN REGULARLY ON CAMPAIGN FINANCE, CONSENSUS, AND CORRUPTION. CALLER:...
00:30:23
CALLER
WORST BOSSES OF CAPITOL HILL, CAN YOU TELL ME WHICH ONES OF THEM ARE VETERANS? IF THEY ARE VETERANS, I AM INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT -- FIRST OF ALL, IF...
00:30:45
HOST
HOST: FOLKS WITH MILITARY EXPERIENCE? CALLER:
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CALLER
YES. GUEST: I
00:30:51
GUEST
AM NOT AWARE OF WHAT MEMBERS ON THIS LIST OF MILITARY EXPERIENCE. CALLER:
00:30:59
CALLER
IN HARMONY WITH LEADERSHIP AND THE UNDERSTANDING ON EMBRACING A ONE THISNESS, EVERYONE THE ENCOUNTER, TO BE FAIR AND EQUAL AND NOT BE PARTISAN IN TERMS...
00:31:21
HOST
TO THE PROGRAM. CALLER: WHEN YOU TALK
00:31:31
CALLER
ABOUT CAPITOL HILL IS MOSTLY RUN BY A 21-YEAR-OLD, YOU ARE FORGETTING THAT MOST OF THE LEGISLATIVE WORK IS DONE THROUGH COMMITTEES. MOST OF THE PROFESSIONAL...
00:31:58
GUEST
DISAGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT A LOT OF THESE STAFFERS ARE IN THERE FOR THE'S. IT IS PRETTY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. -- 40'S. IT IS PRETTY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN....
00:32:19
HOST
STAFF TO DO WORK ON? CALLER: -- DID YOU
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CALLER
WORK ON?
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CALLER
CALLER: HATIKVAH ON. -- TIP VAUGHN. HE WAS A GREAT BOSS. HOST: ANOTHER
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HOST
CALLER. CALLER: THE COST OF
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CALLER
LIVING IN THE WASHINGTON, D.C. AREA, AND HOW THAT IMPACTS THE LEGISLATIVE PRODUCT THAT WE RECEIVE. I THINK IT EXPANDS BEYOND THE STAFFERS, BUT TO THE...
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GUEST
NOT THINK THERE IS MUCH SYMPATHY FOR GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES IN THE PUBLIC. IT CREATES A VACUUM WHEN WE HAVE THIS CONSTANT TURNOVER AMONG YOUNG STAFFERS...
00:35:08
HOST
GUEST GIVE A LIST OF BOSSES HE EXCLUDED FROM THIS STORY -- A TWEET, CAN OR GUEST GIVE ANALYST OF BOSSES HE EXCLUDED FROM THIS STORY -- A LIST OF OBSSES...
00:35:36
GUEST
BOSSES WHO HAD A THIRD OF THEIR STAFF LEAVE. WHEN WE SAY THAT SHEILA JACKSON LEE AND MICHELE BACHMANN HAVE HAD HAVE THEIR STAFF LEAVE EVERY YEAR, LET'S...
00:36:43
HOST
A CALLER ON OUR LINE FOR DEMOCRATS. CALLER: I WAS IN
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CALLER
BUSINESS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND BUSINESS, I THOUGHT TURNOVER IS A BIG PROBLEM. I LEARNED AFTER A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME THAT...
00:37:49
GUEST
HIRING IS ONE COMPONENT OF WHAT WE ARE SEEING. A THING TO HAVE TO TAKE ON A CASE, BY CASE BASIS. -- I THINK YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS....
00:38:38
HOST
AND WONDERFUL, THE ENTRY ON THE RISE IN MAY ALONE IS WORTH A LOT OF MONEY IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. -- RESUME ALONE IS WORTH A LOT OF MONEY IN THE PRIVATE...
00:39:01
CALLER
TO QUESTION YOUR PREMISE ON THE BEST VERSUS WORST. THE ONES YOU MENTIONED I FEEL OTHERWISE OFFER THE BEST OPPORTUNITY -- OFFER THE BEST OPPORTUNITIES....
00:39:54
GUEST
THERE IS A VALUE JUDGMENT ABOUT HOW MUCH OF A POSITIVE THING THAT IS FOR DEMOCRACY. THEY MAY HAVE THE SUPPORT OF OFFICES TO HELP THEM GET JOBS ELSEWHERE....
00:40:17
HOST
THANK YOU FOR BEING ON "WASHINGTON JOURNAL." THE HEADLINE, WHO ARE THE BEST AND WORST BOSSES ON CAPITOL HILL. CONGRESSIONAL STAFF TURNOVER RATE SELF-STYLEDRATES...

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