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WELCOME. WE ARE GOING TO LAUNCH INTO UNCHARTED TERRITORY. TERRITORY THAT NOT ONLY MOST STUDENTS DON'T KNOW ABOUT, MOST AMERICANS DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT...
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| 00:03:17 |
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TO DO OVER THE NEXT FEW MINUTES IS TELL YOU ABOUT AMERICAN EUGENICS STARTING WITH EUGENICS ITSELF. BUT LET'S BACKTRACK HERE FOR JUST A SECOND....
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| 00:05:40 |
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CLOSE. WHO ELSE FROM ANCIENT TIMES -- >> HERCULES? >>
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| 00:05:54 |
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GOOD. HERE IS THE EPITOME OF GREATNESS AND MASCULINE FIT. HERE IS A PHYSICALLY AND RACIALLY FIT IF NOT ALMOST PERFECT MALE ENGAGED IN HEROIC ACTION....
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| 00:22:30 |
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ASSISTS ARE NOT JUST WHITE MALES. THERE ARE WOMEN INVOLVED. THIS IS MARY WATTS. SHE IS A FORMER SCHOOLTEACHER, PUBLIC HEALTH PRACTITIONER. AND SHE IS...
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| 00:26:45 |
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THANK YOU. EVERY $400 OF YOUR MONEY GOES TO THE CARE OF PERSONS WITH BAD HEREDITY. EVERY 16 SECONDS ONE PERSON IS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES AND THIS...
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| 00:28:20 |
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INDIA LIKE COLUMBUS FOUND AMERICA. FOUND IN INDIANA, KENTUCKY, ILLINOIS, MISSOURI AND IOWA, 6,000 PERSONS IN 1890, 10,000 BY 1921. WHO ARE THEY? WHO...
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| 00:41:05 |
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WE? WE ARE IN MONTANA. HOW MANY STATES? THERE ARE A LOT OF STATES THAT HAVE THESE STERILIZATIONS GOING ON UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF STATE STATUTE AND...
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| 00:52:22 |
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UNIVERSITY OF MONTANA. EUGENICS MAKES ITS WAY INTO HIGHER EDUCATION AS WELL. SO LET ME JUST FINE THIS FOR YOU. I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE AN OVERHEAD...
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| 00:58:20 |
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ABOUT EUGENICS TODAY IN EUGENICS IS VERY BAD ODOR. IT'S A NAME, A TERM THAT BASICALLY PROVOKES REVULSION AMONG MANY PEOPLE. BUT UNDERSTAND THAT MANY...
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| 01:01:23 |
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OVER THE VIRGINIA RACIAL INTEGRITY ACT AS WELL AS VIRGINIA STERILIZATION ACT AND THE ASPECT THAT THE UNFIT CHARACTERISTICS OF YOUR PARENTS WOULD DETERMINE...
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| 01:01:59 |
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ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. SO THE INTERESTING QUESTION FOR HISTORIAN IS TO TRY TO EXPLAIN HOW YOU GET FROM THOSE VIRGINIA ENACTMENTS FROM THE FAMILY WORLD WHO...
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| 01:03:04 |
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MOSTLY FEAR DRIVEN POLICY OR IDEOLOGY OR THAT IT WAS LIKE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE, AS WE'VE ENCOUNTERED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE COURSE, THE CLASS, LIKE ANOTHER...
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| 01:03:51 |
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QUESTION. ANYONE WANT TO TAKE A STAB AT THAT? >> CAN I? >>
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| 01:03:55 |
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YEAH. ABSOLUTELY, ROSE. >>
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| 01:03:57 |
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BASED OFF WHAT HAPPENED IN GERMANY I WOULD SAY IT WASN'T BASED ON FEAR BUT THEY PLAYED OFF PEOPLE'S FEAR TO GET SUPPORT OF THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT I...
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| 01:04:25 |
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THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THEY HAD THE BLINKING LIGHT THING, IT REMIND ME OF THE THING THEY SHOW YOU OF PEOPLE GETTING IN DRUNK CAR ACCIDENTS WHERE...
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| 01:04:45 |
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SOME CULTURAL EXAMPLES THAT I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IN THE CONTEXT OF EUGENICS. BUT YOU THINK IN SOME WAYS IT'S KIND OF COMING BACK LIKE THE SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE...
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| 01:05:15 |
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THE TOPIC OF WHETHER YOU'RE POOR OR YOU'RE RACE, AND IT'S CENTER ON THE ISSUE OF WHAT'S YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND ARE YOU LIKE THE ELITE OF SOCIETY....
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| 01:05:28 |
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HE SAID, TOO, IF ANYONE WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE BOOK FREAKONOMICS, THEY MAD A DOCUMENTARY, THE THEORY THAT CRIME HAS DROPPED OVER THE DECADES BECAUSE...
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| 01:06:03 |
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SIGNS FOR AMERICANS WITH THE NONFEEBLEMINDED CLASS HOW YOU KNEW WHETHER YOU WERE OR PUT PUT THEMSELVES IN A HIGHER CLASS? >> THAT'S
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| 01:06:13 |
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INTERESTING. IT'S -- IT'S IN PART CLASS-DRIVEN BECAUSE THE ARGUMENT IS IF YOU MADE IT TO A CERTAIN LEVEL OF INCOME, THAT'S BECAUSE OF A CERTAIN KIND...
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| 01:07:25 |
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THE PURITANS CONFRONTED WAY BACK WHEN. HOW DO YOU REALLY KNOW IN YOU'RE SAVED? HOW DO YOU REALLY KNOW? THE EUGENICS BROUGHT IN ALL OF THE CHARTS, ALL...
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| 01:08:59 |
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PROGRESS. >> [ INAUDIBLE ]. THE IDEA THAT A LOT OF THE WAR VETS [ INAUDIBLE ]. >> WHAT AN INTERESTING QUESTION. >> [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>
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| 01:09:19 |
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YEAH. IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION. AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. WRITE THAT DOWN ON LIST OF POTENTIAL RESEARCH PROJECTS. GO AHEAD. >> TO WHAT...
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| 01:09:31 |
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TALKING ABOUT PROGRESS AND THIS ASPECT OF BEING AN OPTIMISM-TYPE DRIVEN MOVEMENT TO WHAT EXTENT DO YOU THINK PROGRESSIVISM PLAYS IN THINK EUGENICS MOVEMENT?...
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| 01:09:46 |
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INTERESTING QUESTION. IT IS A PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT. IT IS ABOUT IMPROVING HEALTH, PUBLIC HEALTH. IT'S VERY MUCH ABOUT REFORM, THE ESSENCE OF PROGRESSISM...
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| 01:10:04 |
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WAIT. SORRY. NOT PROGRESSIVISM. PRAGMATISM. >> PRAGMATISM. >> TALKING ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK. >>
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| 01:10:11 |
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YEAH. THAT'S INTERESTING AS WELL. AND I -- AGAIN THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SAY I CAN'T GIVE YOU A STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER....
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| 01:10:39 |
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EUGENICS TOOK HOLD IN RURAL AMERICA? >> NO, I WOULDN'T SAY IT
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| 01:10:42 |
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TOOK HOLD MORE. THE POINT HERE IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST -- IT REALLY IS A CROSS, A SLOTH OF AMERICAN CULTURE. IT'S URBAN. MADISON GRANTS URBAN AS YOU CAN...
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| 01:11:32 |
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INTERESTED IN IS WHAT -- HOW EUGENICIST WOULD RESPOND TO LIKE THE ARGUMENT THAT IT'S ALL ABOUT LIKE EXPECTATIONS AND HOW FAR YOU CAN DRIVE YOURSELF. LIKE...
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| 01:12:11 |
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THERE'S A GUIDE AMONG THE EUGENICISTS, NOT ALL OF THEM ADVOCATE ADVOCATE STERILIZATION. SOME BELIEVE IT'S POSSIBLE THROUGH BETTER HEALTH CARE, THROUGH...
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| 01:13:03 |
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EUGENICISTS AFRICAN-AMERICANS? >> THEY TENDED TO BE. >> DID THEY SEAL THEM
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| 01:13:07 |
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AS AFRICAN-AMERICANS UNFIT IN
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| 01:13:10 |
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SOCIETY? >> YES. IT WAS INTERESTING, THEY ARGUE ABOUT DIFFERENT ETHNIC GROUPS AND HIGHER ARC I CANS OF ETHNICITY AND RACE. YES, MOST -- MOST EUGENICISTS...
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| 01:13:31 |
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QUESTION AS YOU ABOUT THE PRAGMATISTS. BECAUSE JUST SEEMS IN A TIME WHEN PRAGMATISM IS BLOOMING AND NOTHING HOLDS AN ABSOLUTE TRUTH ANY MORE, EUGENICISTS...
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| 01:13:53 |
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PEOPLE ARE POOR ARE BAD RELATES -- >> WHEN SOMEONE LIKE
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| 01:13:57 |
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JOHN DEWEY IS CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT FOR IMPROVING YOUNG PEOPLE'S KNOWLEDGE. SO I'VE HAD -- I NEVER READ DEWEY ON THE EUGENICS MOVEMENT. I'D BE...
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| 01:14:26 |
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REFLECT MORE HUMANITARIAN VALUES. IS THAT REFLECTED IN OTHER ASPECTS OF AMERICAN THOUGHT AND CULTURE? IS THERE A PERIOD IN WHICH WE SHIFT AWAY FROM...
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| 01:14:52 |
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YOUR, LIKE, ECONOMIC SUCCESS, YOUR -- >> '30s IS THE OPPOSITE. >> I KNOW, BUT -- THIS WAS BORN IN THE '20s. >> COMMUNISM
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| 01:15:02 |
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IS ON THE RISE IN THE '30s WHICH MAKES ME THINK MORE COMMUNITARIAN VALUES ARE ON THE RISE. >> THE COMMUNISTS, LOOK
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| 01:15:15 |
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AT RADICALS I DON'T WANT TO SINGLE OUT COMMUNISTS BUT IT BECOMES EASY TO LINK RADICAL IDEAS WITH IMMIGRATION, WITH DEGENERATES. SO, THERE IS THIS TENSION...
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| 01:16:00 |
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ABOUT THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN INDIVIDUALISM AND THE COMMUNITARIAN, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD LEAD TO THE COMMUNITARIAN. AS A WHITE PERSON WE EXPECT THESE...
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| 01:16:26 |
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THAT. YOU SAY THEY'RE TAKING CATEGORIES. >> YEAH, TREATING
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| 01:16:31 |
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THEM LIKE INDIVIDUALS YOU'RE NOW PART OF THIS GROUP THAT IDENTIFIES WHO YOU ARE AND THEN THERE'S JUST A NOTION THAT THE EXPERTS THAT DECIDE WHO IS...
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| 01:16:46 |
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WORD. EXPERTS, AND THIS IS AN ERA THAT VALUES EXPERTISE, AND SO LAUGHLIN, DAVENPORT AND THE OTHER EUGENICISTS, WATT, THEY ARE BILLING THEMSELVES AS EXPERTS....
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| 01:17:33 |
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THAT IDEA OF INDIVIDUALISM VERSUS COMMUNITARIANISM WOULD EQUAL -- EUGENICS ALMOST PLAYS OUT IN A POPULAR PHILOSOPHER LIKE IAN RAND OR SOMETHING. BECAUSE...
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| 01:18:20 |
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INTERESTING. THERE'S QUITE A GOOD BIOGRAPHY THAT JUST CAME OUT BY JENNIFER BURNS. INTERESTED IN READING THAT THAT WILL HELP YOU DEVELOP THOSE INSIGHTS....
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| 01:18:32 |
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OFF OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING. IN LIGHT OF US TALKING ABOUT THE SCOPES TRIAL AND THE EUGENICS ARTICLE, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING LOOKING AT THE ARTICLE THAT...
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| 01:18:49 |
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HE'S TAKING IT A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THIS WHOLE MOVEMENT AND SAYING INSTEAD OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS ACCOMMODATING THE CURRENT STANDARD, THIS MOVEMENT...
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| 01:19:50 |
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IS COMPLICATED BECAUSE HE ALSO BELIEVES IN THIS IDEA OF A TALENTED TENTH. HE THINKS IT'S POSSIBLE FOR A PERCENTAGE OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS TO LEAD, TO...
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| 01:21:03 |
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THIS BECAUSE HE -- HE DOES BELIEVE THAT SOME AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE BETTER EQUIPPED, BETTER POSITIONED, TO BECOME LEADERS. AND THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING...
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| 01:21:24 |
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LIKE THE LOGIC OF EUGENICS, IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO HELP THE LOWER CLASS GENETICALLY OF SOCIETY. CHARITY WOULD BE BAD. DOES THAT PLAY INTO SOCIAL DARWINISM?...
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| 01:21:46 |
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QUESTION. I MEAN, SOCIAL DARWINISM, AS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, CUTS IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, OKAY? CHARITY ITSELF, DEPENDING WHERE YOU ARE, SOCIAL...
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| 01:23:28 |
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WERE TARGETED MORE FOR NEGATIVE EUGENICS? >>
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| 01:23:31 |
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A GOOD QUESTION. WHY DO YOU THINK WOMEN ARE TARGETED MORE? >> PROSTITUTION. >> TAKES TWO TO PROSTITUTE. >> BUT THE WOMEN IT'S USE
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| 01:23:39 |
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LULL I -- THE WOMAN'S USUALLY THE ONE RECEIVING. >> SO THEY ARE
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| 01:23:46 |
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PROSTITUTES. WHY ELSE ARE WOMEN BEING TARGETED? >> HISTORICALLY WOMEN
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| 01:23:50 |
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HAVE BEEN BLAME FORD PREGNANCIES, THE SCARLET LETTER. >> OKAY. >> THIS IDEA OF WEAKER SEX. >> WELL, WEAKER AND IN
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| 01:24:01 |
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THIS CASE, IF THEY HAPPEN TO BE PROSTITUTES OR FEEBLEMINDED, WEAKER HERE MEANS DEGENERATE. >> ISN'T IT ALSO
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| 01:24:12 |
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BECAUSE THEY'RE VEHICLES FOR REPRODUCTION, THAT'S A COARSE WORD. A MAN CAN BE AS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER AS HE WANTS BUT IT REQUIRES A WOMAN, YOU KNOW,...
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| 01:24:32 |
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IDEA. IT'S COURAGE IN THIS VICTORIAN CULTURE WOMEN ARE RECOGNIZED AS NURTURERS, MOTHERS OF CIVILIZATION, THE AUTHORS HOLD TRUE AS WELL. YOU HOLD WOMEN...
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| 01:25:14 |
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OF EUGENICS NEGATIVELY, IT ALSO SEEMS LIKE WOMEN WERE TARGETED BY POSITIVE EUGENICS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT MARY WATTS ORGANIZING WOMEN'S HEALTH THINGS....
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| 01:25:30 |
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IT'S PROBABLY MORE WIDESPREAD. I DON'T KNOW OF WORK ON THIS THAT'S BEEN DONE, MAYBE THERE HAS BEEN SOME GOOD WORK DONE ON THE EARLY YEARS OF THE AMERICAN...
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| 01:26:24 |
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HOW THE WHOLE EUGENICS MOVEMENT RELATED TO RELIGION. BACK IN 1920s MOST PEOPLE WERE RELIGIOUS. TRADITIONALLY, DISCRIMINATION WAS BASED ON RACE AND...
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| 01:26:44 |
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MORE SPECIFIC. SO LET'S -- MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OF RELaTOURETTEIGIOUS PERSUASION WHO GET CAUGHT UP IN THE EUGENICS MOVEMENT TEND TO BE PROTESTANTS,...
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| 01:27:30 |
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IT. WHAT ELSE IS THERE IN CALVINISM? >> THE IDEA OF SITTING
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| 01:27:34 |
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ON A HILL, BETTERING THE WORLD. >> YOU'RE GOING TO GET
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| 01:27:38 |
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THERE. THERE'S THAT REFORM SENSE. BUT WHO ARE THE -- IF YOU'RE A CAL VANNIST, PREDESTINATION IS WHAT? WHO IS PREDESTINED? >> GOD KNOWS. >> GOD KNOWS
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| 01:27:50 |
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AND? THOSE PEOPLE WHO? >> THE CHOSEN. >> THE ELECT, RIGHT. >> EXPERTS. >> SO THE
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| 01:27:58 |
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ELECT HERE WITHIN EUGENICS, THERE IS THIS KIND OF ELECT, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOD. THERE'S SOMETHING IN OUR NATURE, SOMETHING IN OUR GENES, THE...
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| 01:29:12 |
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I CAN'T HELP BUT BE REMINDED OF THE WHOLE ISSUE OF GENETIC MODIFICATION, DESIGNER BABIES, LIKE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE WEALTHY, THE EXTREMELY WEALTHY...
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| 01:29:40 |
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THAT ONE THING TO BEAR IN MIND ABOUT EUGENICS, OKAY, THE OPERATIVE WORD FOR THE EUGENICISTS REALLY IS TIED TO COERCION, OKAY. THE STATE HAS THE RIGHT...
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| 01:30:37 |
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LITERARY INTELLECTUALS CRITICS? >> EUGENE O'NEILL IS
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| 01:30:42 |
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SOMEBODY DRAWN BY -- DRAWN INTO THE EUGENICS WORLD. IT DEPENDS ON REALLY HOW YOU POSITION YOURSELF AND HOW YOU THINK ABOUT ALL SORTS OF INTERESTING THINGS...
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| 01:31:47 |
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WAS THINKING ABOUT IS LIKE, EUGENICS MOVEMENT SEEMED TO HOLD LIKE THE WHITE CAUCASIAN RACE AT APEX OF HUMANITY AND TODAY WE HAVE THE PEOPLE FROM CHINA...
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| 01:32:17 |
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A RESPONSE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. BUT LET'S JUST SAY IT WOULD BE A HELL OF AN INTERESTING EXHIBIT. SO THANK YOU GUYS VERY, VERY MUCH. WONDERFUL QUESTIONS....
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SATURDAY 8:00 P.M. AND MIDNIGHT
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