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BACK AT ROAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE CAMPAIGN 2012. JOINING US AT THE TABLE IS GUEST: AND -- GLENN
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THRUSH AND "THE END OF THE LINEJONATHAN MARTIN OF POLITICO. GUEST: WE
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HAD KNOWN THAT THERE WAS -- HOW TO TELL THE RUN THE STORY. SO MANY AMERICANS SAW THIS RICH BUSINESSMAN. THEY NEVER GOT A SENSE OF WHO HE WAS AS A PERSON....
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TALK ABOUT HIS MORMON FAITH AT THE CONVENTION. OTHER MEMBERS THAT SPOKE ABOUT MITT ROMNEY, BUT THAT ONLY HAPPENED AT THE CONVENTION. IT DID NOT HAPPEN...
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DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE UP TO. THEY DID NOT ANTICIPATE THE EXTENT TO WHICH MITT ROMNEY WOULD NOT ADDRESS HIS OWN PERSONALITY OR RECORD. ONE...
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IS FROM "THE BOSTON SUNDAY GLOBE." TWO DAYS BEFORE ELECTION DAY AND THEN THE PIECE GOES ON TO SAY, LOOKING BACK, TO YOUR POINT, THE CANDIDATE NEVER DEFINING...
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MITT ROMNEY AND HIS CAMPAIGN SPENT $100 MILLION IN THE STATE OF OHIO. OBAMA SPENT $15 MILLION LESS FROM OUR CALCULATIONS. THEY PAID FOR THE STATE OF OHIO,...
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THE BOOK IS "THE END OF THE LINE." JONATHAN MARTIN, YOU WRITE THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD NEVER BEEN ON A OBAMA GROUND COMFORTABLE UP BEING COACHED BEFORE...
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UNIQUE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA. IF YOU LOOK AT PERFORMANCES BY. INCUMBENT PRESIDENTS, IT IS TOUGH. THEY ARE NOT USED TO BEING CHALLENGED IN THE WAY THAT THEY...
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HOST: MITT ROMNEY SUCCEEDED IN THE FIRST DEBATE. LET'S WATCH. >> GOVERNOR ROMNEY SAYS
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HE WANTS TO REPEAL DODD-FRANK. IT APPEARS WE HAVE SOME AGREEMENT THAT A MARKET PLACE TO WORK HAS TO HAVE SOME REGULATION. IN THE PAST, GOVERNOR ROMNEY...
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THE FACTS. WE HAVE TO HAVE REGULATION IN WALL STREET. THAT IS WHY I WOULD HAVE REGULATION BUT I WOULD NOT DESIGNATE FIVE BANKS AS TOO BIG TO FAIL AND...
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AS YOU WATCH THE BODY LANGUAGE AND SUBSTANCE OF THE DEBATE, IN THE GUEST: HE SAID, THAT
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WASN'T THAT BAD. AND THEN HIS WIFE SAID, YES. YES IT IS. THE DID NOT GET A SENSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS DISASTER. THIS SAW THE TOP OF HIS HEAD OF WHAT...
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ABOUT THE 47% VIDEO. HOW DAMAGING WAS THAT? GUEST: THE
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ROMNEY CAMPAIGN KNEW IMMEDIATELY THAT IT WAS DEVASTATING. HOST: WHAT WAS
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MITT ROMNEY'S IMMEDIATE REACTION? GUEST: HE WAS
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IN CALIFORNIA. HE KNEW IT WAS PROBLEMATIC. THERE WAS A STAFF CONFERENCE CALL IN THE HOURS AFTERWARDS WERE THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT WAS BAD. ROMNEY CAME...
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DO WE KNOW HOW MOTHER JONES WAS ABLE TO GET THAT VIDEO? GUEST: THE REVEALS
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FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT THE CAMPAIGN DID SOME IN-HOUSE INVESTIGATION. THE CLOSE AS THEY CAME WAS THE WAIT STAFF IN THE HOTEL. THERE WAS AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS...
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HOST: SLOWS IN BOCA RATON? -- THI WAS IN BOCA? GUEST: THE
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WAIT STAFF HAD BEEN DODGY AND THEY WERE A BIT DEMANDING, ASKING FOR QUOTAS, AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT WAS IN FACT THE WAIT STAFF.
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HOST: THE BOOK IS TITLED "THE END OF THE LINE." GLENN THRUSH AND JONATHAN MARTIN HERE FOR THE WHOLE HOUR. ON THE LINE FROM NEW YORK CITY. CALLER:
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OBAMA WAS QUITE INTELLIGENT ON THAT FIRST DEBATE BECAUSE HE LET ROMNEY STATE HIS ENTIRE CASE. MOST PEOPLE CANNOT REMEMBER THAT MANY FACTS AND IT MUST...
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HOST: GLENN THRUSH. GUEST: THEY SHOULD HAVE
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HIRED YOU TO DO THESE BEEN. I'M FROM NEW YORK AND I USED TO PLAY IN THE SCHOOLYARD. THERE WAS NO INTENTION FOR IT TO GO DOWN THAT WAY. THE STOCK OUT...
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STEVENS LOVED THE IDEA OF HAVING AN AMERICAN ICON AS A WARM-UP ACT. THEY HAD BEEN ASSURED THAT CLINT EASTWOOD WOULD MORE OR LESS PLAYED BY THEIR RULES...
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AND THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR RONNY WILL SITTING IN THE ARENA AND THEY WERE JUST SLACK JAWED AS HE DID HIS ROUTINE. THEY THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO STICK...
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GEORGIA ON AIRLINE FOR DEMOCRATS WITH GLENN THRUSH AND JONATHAN MARTIN. CALLER: THANK YOU
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FOR TAKING MY CALL. I WAS ALWAYS FASCINATED DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON FOR THE REPUBLICANS THAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE PUTTING ENOUGH PRESSURE ON CANDIDATE...
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SELF-ENFORCED ERROR BY THE ROMNEY CAMPAIGN. GUEST: PERVERSELY
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THE 47% VIDEO BEGAN TO OVERSHADOW THAT. GUEST: IT WAS A HUGE MATTER
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OF DEBATE DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON, BUT THEY REALIZED IT HAD TO BE PUT OUT BECAUSE IT WAS BECOMING A DISTRACTION SO HE DECIDED TO PUT OUT ONE YEAR OF...
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HAD A CANDIDATE THAT HAD SO MANY "NO FLY ZONES" IN HIS LIFE THAT HE DID NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT? GUEST: HE EVENTUALLY
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CAME AROUND AND THIS IS THE THEME OF OUR BOOK. IT WAS ULTIMATELY TOO LATE BECAUSE THE DIE WAS CAST. THIS CAMPAIGN WAS EFFECTIVELY THE MADE IN THE SPRING...
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THAT, THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY DID A GOOD JOB DEFINING HIM AND THE OBAMA CAMP ONLY HAD TO DO THE REMINDERS.
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GUEST: ABSOLUTELY AND TALKING AND ABOUT HIS TIME AT BAIN CAPITAL STARTED THAT. ONE OF THE LAMENTS OF REPUBLICANS IS THAT THE PRIMARY WENT TOO LONG AND...
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AGAIN FROM "THE BOSTON GLOBE." THE BRAVEST ERROR OF THE CAMPAIGN, NOT LETTING THE VOTERS IN ON THE REAL PAUL, MITT ROMNEY. GUEST: SOMETIMES IT
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DID NOT QUITE LIKED WHAT THEY SAW ITEM THAT WAS THE DUALITY. HE HAD A VERY NARROW PATH TO TROD IN TERMS OF HIS OWN PERSONAL NARRATIVE. I REMEMBER BEING...
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UNSPOKEN ISSUE IN TERMS OF WHY THE CAMPAIGN WAS HARD. YES, THERE WAS AN ASSUMPTION OVERATE%. THE IMPLICIT WAS ALSO THIS. THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR...
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CHOOSE CONGRESSMAN PAUL RYAN? GUEST: TO A CERTAIN EXTENT
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HE WAS PRESSURED INTO DOING IT BY THE MAINSTREAM REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT. I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF CHICAGO, I WAS RIDICULED A LOT WHEN...
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AT 9:00 IN THE MORNING, THE LAST DAY OF THE OLYMPICS. WHY THE TIMING? WHY NOT WAIT UNTIL THE FOLLOWING WEEK? IF YOU'RE GOING TO SELECT CONGRESSMAN RYAN,...
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TO GET IT IN BEFORE THEN BUT THERE WAS THE MASSACRE AT THE SIKH TEMPLE. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE STUDY ON WHY THEY DID NOT WAIT, BUT I THINK ROMNEY...
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JOHN KERRY'S ENORMOUS WEALTH AND NOT AN ISSUE IN 2004? GUEST: IT WAS, BUT
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THAT CAMPAIGN WAS SO MUCH DEFINED BY 9/11, JOHN KERRY, AND THE SWIFT VOTING ISSUE. THE PROBLEM IS NOT ENORMOUSLY WEALTHY CANDIDATES, BUT CAN THEY MAKE...
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REASON JOHN KERRY OF LOSSES BECAUSE HE AND HIS WIFE WERE CHARACTERIZED THE SAME WAY THEY DID TO RODNEY AS THE OUT OF TOUCH, FRENCH LOOKING COUPLE WHO...
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DOES BECOME A LITTLE BIT OF FRENCH. GUEST: IT WAS AN
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ISSUE IN 2004 AND IT WAS VERY HARMFUL IN TERMS OF HIS CHARACTER. HOST: YOU WRITE
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ABOUT THIS IN THE BOOK, THIS AD THAT CAME OUT JUST BEFORE THE ELECTION AND IT PLAYED HEAVILY IN OHIO. LET'S WATCH. "WASHINGTON JOURNAL--- [VIDEO CLIP]...
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ATTACK ON ROMNEY IS FALSE. HE IS A PLAN TO HELP THE AUTO INDUSTRY. YOU SUPPORTED BY "THE DETROIT NEWS." HE'S TOLD CHRYSLER TO ITALIANS WERE GOING TO...
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THIS MESSAGE. HOST: THAT
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AD WAS QUICKLY REFUTED BY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN. >>-- THATI AM MITT ROMNEY AND
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I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE. GUEST: OHIO IS SECOND ONLY
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TO MICHIGAN IN TERMS OF AUTO PRODUCTION. THIS AD BECAME A REAL DISTRACTION TO THE CAMPAIGN IN THE FOLLOWING WEEKS. THEY WILL SAY IF YOU LOOKED AT WHERE...
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CHICAGO-BASED CAMPAIGN TEAM COULD NOT BELIEVE THEIR LUCK. THE AUTOMOBILE ISSUE HAD DIED DOWN A LITTLE BIT. THEY DID NOT HAVE QUITE AS MUCH MONEY SO...
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HOST: REPUBLICAN LINE FROM CINCINNATI. THANK YOU FOR WAITING. CALLER: I HOSTED A RADIO
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SHOW IN OHIO. I TOLD THEM THEY NEEDED TO RUN ADVERTISING FOR ALL RADIO INCLUDING RADIO ONE. THEY CHOSE NOT TO. THE OBAMA CAMP DID THE EXACT OPPOSITE....
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SHOULD HAVE CALLED YOU. WE ALSO SAW SOME REPORTING AROUND THAT TIME ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CAMPAIGN OFFICES. THERE WERE TWICE AS MANY OBAMA CAMPAIGN OFFICES...
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CAMPAIGN WAS NOT ABLE TO GET OPERATION OHIO OR ANYWHERE ELSE UP AND RUNNING AND THAT WAS ONE OF IT -- ADVANTAGE OBAMA HAD A. RONNY ONLY HAD SIX MONTHS...
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OREGON, A DEMOCRAT DECLINE, GOOD MORNING.
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GUEST: WERE UP EARLY ON THE WEST COAST.
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CALLER: I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO ANN ROMNEY. SHE WAS MUCH MORE VISIBLE EARLY ON. THE WIVES DEHUMANIZE A CANDIDATE AND THAT WAS TO BE HER JOB. DR....
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LOT OF THE ROMNEY CAMPAIGN STAFF ABOUT PAROLE IN THE CAMPAIGN. WHAT I WAS TOLD IS THAT THERE WERE SOME ADS CUT BETWEEN ROMNEY IN THE GENERAL ELECTION...
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THE DISCUSSION OF HER LS , THAT IS WHEN PEOPLE GOT TO SEE THE REAL ROMNEY AND NO ONE REALLY TALKED ABOUT ANY OF THAT STUFF. HOST:
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WHAT ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE RYAN STAFF, CONGRESSMAN RYAN, AND MITT ROMNEY? GUEST: JON CAN SPEAK MORE
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TO THAT OF THE CANDIDATES THEMSELVES WERE QUITE CLOSE AND A LOT OF THE SENIOR STAFF FOR RYAN ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL WERE IMPORTED FROM JOHN BOEHNER'S...
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FRICTION BETWEEN THE TWO RUNNING MATES, BUT IT WAS NOT SO VIVID IN THIS CASE. I THINK IT WAS LESS SO IN THIS CASE, CERTAINLY VS FOUR YEARS AGO AND EVEN...
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GOOD MORNING. CALLER: DO EITHER OF
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YOU SEE A PATH FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AT THE PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL FOR THE 2016 ELECTION PARTICULARLY WITH HER LARRY -- HILLARY BEING A PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE?...
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ABOUT THAT FOR THREE HOURS. GUEST: HE DID NOT SO
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IQ IS FROM BAKERSFIELD, CALIF. -- SOUND LIKE HE WAS FROM CALIFORNIA. HOST: HILLARY
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2016. GUEST: SHE WILL RUN AND
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SHE WILL BE A FORMIDABLE CANDIDATE. IF WE HAVE LEARNED NOTHING IS THAT THINGS CHANGE ON A DIME. THE ASSUMPTIONS FOUR YEARS AGO ARE OFTEN RENDERED SILLY...
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HILLARY FOR 18 MONTHS IN 2008, THERE IS A VAST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE CANDIDATE CAN AND WILL ACCOMPLISH. THERE IS A LOT OF ROAD YET TO GO. THIS...
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OF REPRESENTATIVES. GUEST: THE QUESTION
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HE ASKED WAS ANSWERED EMPHATICALLY. WE NOW HAVE A CONGRESS ON BOTH SIDES WHICH IS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRIMARY THREAT TO RIGHT AND LEFT THAN GENERAL...
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TO HIS FAVORITE MUSIC GROUPS, AC/DC AND LED ZEPPLIN? THERE WAS A BACK-AND-FORTH OVER THE MUSIC. GUEST: THEY HAD
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SOME OF ON A RATHER DIFFERENT MUSICAL TASTES. I DO NOT THINK HE BECAME A BIG AC/DC FAN. HOST: OUR GUESTS
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ARE GLENN THRUSH AND JONATHAN MARTIN. THEIR BOOK IS "THE END OF THE LINE" ON EBOOK AVAILABLE ON KINDLE AT AMAZON.COM. THIS IS A NOTION BASED LESS ON...
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ARE LINGERING PEELINGS THAT HE DID NOT DO WHAT ROMNEY EXPECTED WITH THE KEYNOTE ADDRESS. HE SAID HE SAID THAT TODAY AND A HALF BEFORE AND THEY DID NOT...
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GUEST: THERE'S A LOT OF GRUMBLING WHEN IT COMES TO CHRIS CHRISTIE. A LOT OF THEM FELT HE CARED MORE ABOUT HIMSELF THAN GOVERNOR ROMNEY. HE WAS NOT A...
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MY FAVORITE TACTICAL MANEUVERS THEY DID WAS HAVE BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN CALL CHRIS CHRISTIE FROM AIR FORCE ONE. HOST: YOU
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BEGIN YOUR BOOK BY TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON ELECTION DAY AND ELECTION EVE. DID ROMNEY WAKE UP THINKING HE WAS THE NEXT PRESIDENT? WHAT WAS HAPPENING...
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THOUGHT AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL THAT THERE WERE DURING TO WIN. HOST: THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM
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JOHN MCCAIN. GUEST: THEY BELIEVED
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THEIR OWN INTERNAL POLLING WHICH SHOWED A DIFFERENT TYPE OF THE ELECTORATE THAN WHAT ACTUALLY SHOWED UP. RONNY THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO WIN. EVEN ON ELECTION...
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OUT OF ALL OF THE BATTLE GROUNDS STATES, HE WON ONLY NORTH CAROLINA. GUEST: IT IS ABSOLUTELY
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AMAZING. THEY WOKE UP FULLY EXPECTING TO LOSE FLORIDA AND MARYLAND AND THEY WERE SHOCKED BY THEIR OWN SUCCESS IN NORTH CAROLINA ONE OF THE THINGS I DID...
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ILLINOIS. CALLER: GOOD
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MORNING, GENTLEMEN, AND MERRY CHRISTMAS. I'M VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR REPORTING. ONE THING I HAVE NOT HEARD YOU TOUCH ON IS THE RIGHT WING ECHO CHAMBER...
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READ ABOUT THAT TOPIC SEVERAL TIMES. THERE'S THIS NOTION OF A PARALLEL UNIVERSE WHERE ROMNEY WAS ALWAYS WINNING MORE WAS GOING TO WIN. I DON'T THINK...
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OF YOU. GLENN THRUSH, WHAT WAS THE SURPRISE STORY IN THE BOOK? GUEST: JUST
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HOW DYSFUNCTIONAL THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN WAS IN DEBATE PREPARATION. WE HAVE HEARD THAT THEY WERE ANGRY WITH HIM FOR NOT. BEST ON DEBATE PREPARATION AND WHAT...
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WE WERE SO FASCINATED ABOUT WHY ROMNEY DID NOT RESPOND ON TV AND I WAS REALLY STRUCK BY THIS. HE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING HIS OWN MONEY IN THE CAMPAIGN...
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END OF THE LINE." GLENN THRUSH AND JONATHAN MARTIN BOTH OF POLITICO. WE WILL TAKE A SHORT BREAK. WE WILL COME BACK WITH MORE OF YOUR CALLS AND COMMENTS...
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THE SHOOTINGS IN CONNECTICUT AND GUN-CONTROL. ALSO THE NRA, NEGOTIATIONS ON THE FISCAL CLIFF AND THE LATEST REPORT ON BENGHAZI. ALL FIVE BEGIN AT NOON...
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.