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Casey, Libby - Host
IS A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE SUN LIFE FOUNDATION. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS MORNING. AS THESE SO-CALLED FISCAL CLIFF NEGOTIATIONS TAKE PLACE, WHAT DOES...
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GUEST: IT MEANS EVERYTHING, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT LOBBYING IS ABOUT. TAXES AND THE BUDGET ARE A PART OF WASHINGTON LOBBYING, AND THAT IS AT THE HEART OF...
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| 00:00:33 |
Casey, Libby - Host
MEAN BY TAXES AND BUDGET? DO CERTAIN INDUSTRIES HAVE A STAKE IN THIS? CALLER CODE --
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
GUEST: TAXES PRETTY MUCH UNTIL THE ENTIRE TAX CODE. THE ANALYSIS IS AROUND 70,000 PAGES. EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT CUTTING EXPENDITURES AND LOOPHOLES....
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Casey, Libby - Host
FROM THE SUNLIGHT FOUNDATION WE CAN SEE THAT THE MOST EXPENSIVE LOBBYING ISSUE COMES FROM THE 112 CONGRESS, RIGHT OVER THE TOP, $618 MILLION SPENT WITH...
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
PRETTY MUCH EVERY INDUSTRY IN THIS COUNTRY HAS A STAKE IN HOW THE TAX CODE IS WRITTEN. THE TAX CODE IS AN INCREDIBLE MISHMASH OF SUBSIDIES AND TAX EXPENDITURES...
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| 00:03:19 |
Casey, Libby - Host
LIKE TO TALK WITH LEE DRUTMAN ABOUT THE FISCAL CLIFF, HERE ARE THE NUMBERS TO CALL. FOR REPUBLICANS, 202-585-3881. FOR DEMOCRATS, 202-585-3880. FOR INDEPENDENTS,...
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
NUMBER OF SHARED INTERESTS WITH THESE COMPANIES HAVE COME TOGETHER TO ADVOCATE TO SHIFT TO A TERRITORIAL SYSTEM. THERE ARE DIFFERENT INTERESTS LINING...
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| 00:05:34 |
Casey, Libby - Host
THESE ADVERTISEMENTS RUNNING IN WASHINGTON, D.C., AND THESE SPECIFICALLY TARGETED AREAS OF THE COUNTRY. LET'S START OUT WITH THIS ONE, FROM A GROUP CALLED...
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HARD AND SAVE FOR RETIREMENT, BUT TAX RATE ON DIVIDENDS WILL SPIKE, A TRIPLING IN SOME CASES. THEY WORKED TOGETHER BEFORE, THEY CAN DO IT AGAIN, EXTENDING...
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Casey, Libby - Host
ADVERTISEMENT AIRING TO ADVOCATE FOR A SPECIFIC PERSPECTIVE. WHO ARE THEY? GUEST: WHAT THEY
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
DO NOT TELL YOU IN THAT ADVERTISEMENT IS THAT THERE FUNDED BY THE EDISON ELECTRIC INSTITUTE, WHICH IS A VERY LARGE ELECTRICAL INDUSTRY ISSUES PROJECTOR,...
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Casey, Libby - Host
WE ARE SPEAKING WITH LEE DRUTMAN, OF THE SUN LIFE FOUNDATION. JUDY, YOUR UP FIRST. -- YOU ARE UP FIRST.
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CALLER: THEY WANT TO RAISE THE RATES. THE SAME RICH PEOPLE WILL NOT BE PAYING TAXES. GENERAL ELECTRIC DID NOT PAY TAXES, NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT....
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Casey, Libby - Host
SEEING ADVERTISE DOWN IN MIAMI RELATED TO THESE FISCAL CLIFF NEGOTIATIONS? CALLER: I AM SO SICK OF
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IT. LET IT GO. IT IS A BIG BLUFF. THEY WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CLINTON DAYS. DIDN'T CLOSE DOWN THE GOVERNMENT A COUPLE OF TIMES? GUEST: YOU MAKE
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE COMPLEXITY OF THE TAX CODE. THEY ARE ADDED DISADVANTAGE -- THEY ARE AT AND DISADVANTAGE. THERE HAS BEEN CONSTANT ADDITIONS TO THE...
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| 00:10:48 |
Casey, Libby - Host
ON THE INDEPENDENT LINE -- DEMOCRATIC LINE.
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CALLER: WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOBBYING AND BRIBERY? PUBLIC OFFICIALS RECEIVED GUESS IN SOME COUNTRIES AND WE WOULD CALL A BRIBERY. IN THIS COUNTRY,...
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
WAS LOBBYING NOT BRIBERY? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YOU GIVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR AN ACTION. BRIBERY IS ILLEGAL IN WASHINGTON. THERE ARE RULES...
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Casey, Libby - Host
AD ABOUT FIXING THE DEBT. [VIDEO CLIP] >> I DO NOT FEEL IT IS
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FAIR TO HAVE A HUGE BURDEN OF DEBT. >> IT IS
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FRUSTRATING AND DOWNRIGHT EMBARRASSING THAT THOSE WE HAVE ELECTED CANNOT COME TOGETHER. >>
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WE ARE CHOPPING OFF THEIR FUTURE. HOST: WHO IS FIX THE DEBT? GUEST: MORE THAN 100
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
CEO'S THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THIS EFFORT. PEOPLE IN THINK TANKS AND FORMER MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND IN NUMBER OF MAJOR CORPORATE EXECUTIVES, THE HEAD...
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GOOD MORNING. I QUESTION ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY. THEY ARE GOING TO FIX SOCIAL SECURITY AND AT THE SAME TIME THEY ARE BORROWING FROM THAT TO THE TUNE OF...
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| 00:17:52 |
Casey, Libby - Host
AD OUT. LET'S WATCH HOW THEY ARE LOBBYING AND GAINING SOME GROUND ON ISSUES LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE. [VIDEO CLIP] >> WE WORKED HARD
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FOR THOSE BENEFITS. WE TURNED THEM. IF WASHINGTON TRIES TO CRAM DECISIONS INTO A LAST-MINUTE BUDGET DEAL, WE WILL ALL PAY THE PRICE. WE ARE LOOKING TO...
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Casey, Libby - Host
ENTITLEMENTS FACTORED INTO LOBBYING? GUEST: THERE IS A HUGE
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
LOBBY IN PLACE. AARP IS BEHIND THAT AD. THEY HAVE SPENT $22.6 MILLION LOBBYING THIS CONGRESS WITH TONS OF LOBBYISTS. THEY REPRESENT A LARGE NUMBER OF...
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
ARE FOR VIEWERS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND FOR DECISION MAKERS IN WASHINGTON. WHAT THESE ADS ARE DOING IS A NUMBER OF THINGS. THEY ARE TRYING TO SEND A SIGNAL...
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Casey, Libby - Host
JANET IN WEST VIRGINIA, GOOD MORNING. CALLER: I AM CALLING
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ABOUT THE CAPITAL GAINS TAX. MY HUSBAND WORKED AS A RESTAURANT MANAGER. WE TRY TO SAVE EARLY IN LIFE WHERE YOU COULD PUT $2,000 AWAY. OVER TIME, IT ACCUMULATED....
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Casey, Libby - Host
YOU MEAN THE ESTATE PENALTY? CALLER: I AM TALKING
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ABOUT THAT, TOO. HOST: DO
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Casey, Libby - Host
YOU FEEL YOUR ISSUES ARE GETTING ADDRESSED IN WASHINGTON? CALLER:
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WELL, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ANYMORE. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON. EVERYTHING IS CHANGING. IN WEST VIRGINIA, THEY HAVE CLOSED DOWN THE COAL MINE....
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| 00:23:16 |
Casey, Libby - Host
TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHE IS CONCERNED ABOUT. HOW IS HER VOICE HEARD IN WASHINGTON? GUEST: DO YOU BELONG TO
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
ANY ASSOCIATIONS? AARP? DO YOU CONTRIBUTE TO ANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT LOBBY IN WASHINGTON? WE HAVE LOST HER. THERE IS A CONVERSATION THAT IS HAPPENING IN...
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
WIDEHAT AARP IS DOING ON BEHALF OF HIM? IS HE GETTING HIS MONEY'S WORTH? I THINK AARP DOES A GOOD JOB. HOST: "THE WALL STREET
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Casey, Libby - Host
JOURNAL" LOOKED AT THE FISCAL CLIFF. ONE GROUP IS RUNNING ADS ON NATIONAL CABLE TELEVISION AND ON LOCAL STATIONS HERE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. WE ALSO SEE...
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| 00:25:54 |
Casey, Libby - Host
CORA IN NEW ORLEANS. CALLER: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK
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THE YOUNG MAN WHO IS AT THE TABLE LOBBYING FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS, FOR THE LITTLE PERSON? TELL ME WHO THEY ARE. THERE WERE A GROUP OF MEN SITTING AROUND...
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
A GOOD QUESTION. WE CAN LOOK AT WHO IS REGISTERED TO LOBBY. I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS NOT A LOT OF LITTLE PEOPLE. NOT A LOT OF ORDINARY, MIDDLE CLASS...
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| 00:28:38 |
Casey, Libby - Host
ARE WEIGHING IN ON TWITTER. HOST: YOU CAN SHARE
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| 00:28:52 |
Casey, Libby - Host
YOUR FEEDBACK ON TWITTER AT TWITTER.COM/CSPANWJ. LEE DRUTMAN IS A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE SUNLIGHT FOUNDATION. THE SUNLIGHT FOUNDATION HAS A GRAPH THAT...
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| 00:29:40 |
Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
LISTED TAX AT SOME POINT THIS YEAR IN THEIR REPORTS. THE TAX CODE IS INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED. IT IS FULL OF INCENTIVES THAT ARE BASICALLY SUBSIDIES AND...
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SEEMS TO EXEMPT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, JUST LIKE THE HEALTH-CARE PLAN DID. THEY HAVE EXEMPTED THEMSELVES ONCE AGAIN. THE PUBLIC-SECTOR DRAWS A LOT OUT...
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| 00:31:31 |
Casey, Libby - Host
ABOUT THE ROLE OF UNIONS. GUEST: THEY HAVE A LOT OF
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
STATE AND RUNNING ADS AS WELL. IF WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET ON THE CHART WHICH IS PUT UP, WE SAW THAT ABOUT A THIRD OF ALL ORGANIZATIONS LOBBY ON BUDGET...
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MORNING. I THINK THE BEST WAY TO GET STRAIGHTENED OUT IS TO GO TO THE FLAT TAX AND THAT WILL HELP ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE LOOPHOLES AND GIVE A SMALL REVENUE....
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| 00:32:57 |
Casey, Libby - Host
YOUR PERSPECTIVE IT IS REPRESENTED IN WASHINGTON? THIS IS JOE ON TWITTER. DO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE A VOICE RIGHT NOW? CALLER: WE HAVE
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A GOOD CONGRESSMAN AND I THINK HE IS DOING A GOOD JOB. HOST:
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| 00:33:24 |
Casey, Libby - Host
YOU GO THROUGH YOUR REPRESENTATION TO GET YOUR VOICE HEARD? CALLER: YES. HOST: THEY WILL NOT
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| 00:33:36 |
Casey, Libby - Host
FILE REPORTS UNTIL AFTER THE FISCAL CLIFF. DO WE KNOW HOW MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE INTERACTING WITH A LOBBYISTS?
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
GUEST: LOBBYING REPORTS, QUARTERLYY -- LOBBYING REPORTS COME OUT QUARTERLY. WE WOULD KNOW WHO YOUR CONGRESSMAN IS MEETING WITH, WHO IS THE LISTENING TOHE...
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| 00:35:25 |
Casey, Libby - Host
FLORIDA, WELCOME. CALLER: THANK
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YOU. THERE IS SO MUCH TO TALK ABOUT. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. IT WAS ROOSEVELT THE BROADEST TO THE MIDDLE CLASS THAT WE ARE IN. I HOPE PRESIDENT...
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| 00:37:17 |
Casey, Libby - Host
BRINGING UP HOUSING AND HEALTH CARE AND A LOT OF ISSUES. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT AN AD ABOUT CONCERNS FOR THE YOUNG. US TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AD -- LET'S...
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| 00:38:03 |
Casey, Libby - Host
TO FAIL. THE CHILD WAS STUCK IN TRAFFIC. YOU GET UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN YOU SEE A CHILD IN CRISIS. ARE THEY TRYING TO SAY? GUEST: THEY ARE TRYING
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
TO SAY DON'T CUT FUNDING FOR EDUCATION. THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY THAT GOES TO EDUCATION. LOOK AT WHO IS SPENDING THE MOST ON BUDGET ISSUES. THE INDUSTRY...
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
POINT. SHE WAS ABLE TO WATCH THE NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT HEALTH CARE ON C-SPAN. ONE THING THAT'S HAPPENING IS THERE IS A LOT NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON BEHIND THE...
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| 00:40:27 |
Casey, Libby - Host
SUNLIGHT FOUNDATION BLOG. WHATEVER DEAL IS REACHED, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF GROUPS THAT HAVE HIRED LOBBYISTS. THE LOBBYISTS WILL BE RIGHT THERE TO TELL...
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Drutman, Lee - Senior Fellow
IS TRUE. NOTHING EVER ENDS IN WASHINGTON . THERE WAS A WONDERFUL MOVIE ABOUT IT LOBBYIST. "WHAT IS THE GREATEST PART OF THE AMERICAN SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT?"...
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| 00:41:45 |
Casey, Libby - Host
DRUTMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING IN. WE WILL LOOK AT THE POLICY AREAS IMPACTED BY THE SO-CALLED FISCAL CLIFF. TAX LOOPHOLES AND DEDUCTIONS THAT...
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SOME INTERNATIONAL NEWS. THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS NOT SAYING THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT SYRIA MAY DEPLOY CHEMICAL WEAPONS. THE U.S. WARNING WAS REPEATED...
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