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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
I LIVED ABROAD, AND ASKED BY FRIENDS IN THOSE COUNTRIES WHAT IS IT WITH THE UNITED STATES, AMERICANS, AND GUNS, WHY DO YOU HAVE A LOVE AFFAIR WITH GUNS...
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Helmke, Paul - President
WITH INTEREST COVERING THE HISTORY, THE LEGAL BATTLES, COVERING WHAT'S GOING ON CURRENT DAY, AND LET'S GO THROUGH A LOT OF THAT, AND STARTING WITH...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
UP IN MASSACHUSETTS IN THE 50S, AND, OF COURSE, WE ALWAYS MADE A BIG THING OF THANKSGIVING AND SO ON, AND THE KIND OF THE WAY THE STORY RAN IN SCHOOLS...
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Helmke, Paul - President
THAT CAME FROM BRITAIN OR ANY PLACE OVERSEAS OR ANYONE TAKING THE RISK OF CROSSING THE OCEAN AND RUN WILD? >> Guest: THERE WAS A
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| 00:02:47 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
COMMON LAW RIGHT IN ENGLAND ALLOWING PEOPLE TO HAVE FIREARMS FOR SELF-DEFENSE AND OTHER PURPOSES ISSUE AND THAT RIGHT, COMMON LAW RIGHT, TRAVELED...
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Helmke, Paul - President
TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, AND, AGAIN, PEOPLE HAVE HAZY VIEWS ON HISTORY, AND, YOU KNOW, IT COMES FROM MOVIES OR TV A LOT OF THE TIME. WHEN WE HAD...
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| 00:03:43 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
GEORGE WASHINGTON DIDN'T THINK A LOT OF THE MILITIA. HE GROUCHED ABOUT IT AT TIMES, BUT HE ALSO MADE REMARKS THAT ALLOWED HOW THE MILITIA WAS A USEFUL...
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Helmke, Paul - President
USED THESE ON THE FRONTIER, PROTECTION AGAINST THE INDIANS, NATIVE AMERICANS, HUNTING CERTAINLY, AND THEN DURING THE COLONIES, SOME SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
EXACTLY. THE RIGHT, THE COMMON LAW RIGHT TO HAVE AND USE FIREARMS CAME WITH A CIVIC DUTY TO USE THEM WHEN CALLED UPON. >> Host: WHO WAS IN CHARGE
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Helmke, Paul - President
OF THE MILITIAS? >> Guest: WELL,
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
LOCAL COMMANDERS, TOWNS HAD THEM, IN NEW ENGLAND CERTAINLY, AND LATER ON, THEY BECAME MORE BROADLY BASED, BUT AS TENSIONS AND HOSTILITIES MOUNTED BETWEEN...
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Helmke, Paul - President
THE -- AT THIS TIME WAS THERE ORGANIZED LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE COMMUNITIES, OR WAS IN EFFECT, THIS GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS OR MILITIA, WAS THAT THE LAW...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
ON THE SIZE OF THE TOWN, BUT THERE WERE NOT ARMED POLICEMEN RUNNING AROUND IN PLACES LIKE BOSTON AND PHILADELPHIA, BUT, SURE, THERE WERE -- IT WAS...
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Helmke, Paul - President
MILITARY HISTORY, SHOTS RANG AROUND THE WORLD, LEXINGTON, CONCORD, 1775 #, EVERYBODY KNOWS A LITTLE ABOUT THAT, BUT YOUR BOOK TOUCHES ON THIS A LITTLE...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
MINMEN -- MINUTEMEN CAME OUT SUCCESSFULLY. >> Host: IN MY MIND,
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Helmke, Paul - President
THE ARMORY TALKS ABOUT HOW IT'S A COMMON USAGE, COMMON PURPOSE, WHICH I KNOW IS NOT NECESSARILY -- DISPLG IT'S NOT -- DISPLG -- >> Guest: IT'S NOT
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| 00:06:39 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
NECESSARILY A CONTRADICTION. IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A GUN, AND YOU SHOULD HAVE ACCORDING TO THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE TOWNS, THE TOWN WOULD SOMETIMES PROVIDE...
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Helmke, Paul - President
THEN RESTRICTIONS AND REGULATIONS WITH THE USAGE OF GUNS. >> Guest:
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
SURE. JUST TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER FROM THE ARMORIES. IF THERE WERE ARMORIES, THERE WERE ALSO LISTS OF MILITIAMEN; RIGHT? AUTHORITIES KNEW WHO WAS IN...
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Helmke, Paul - President
FROM THIS HISTORY TO THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR THAT IS SUCCESSFUL, WE'RE TRYING TO FORM A COUNTRY, WE HAVE THE ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION, AND THAT GOVERNMENT'S...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
IT'S BECOME FASHIONABLE AMONG PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT GUN RIGHTS STRONGLY TO PICK OUT THIS OR THAT QUOTATION FROM THIS OR THAT LEADER LIKE SAMUEL ADAMS,...
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Helmke, Paul - President
OF SELF-DEFENSE OR -- >> Guest: VERY
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
LEAL. >> Host: OR
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Helmke, Paul - President
HUNTING? >> Guest: VERY
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| 00:10:46 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
LITTLE. THE AMENDMENT, ITSELF, SAYS NOTHING ABOUT SELF-DEFENSE, JUST A WELL-REGULATED MILITIA BEING NECESSARY TO THE DEFENSE OF THE PRESTATE, THE RIGHT,...
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Helmke, Paul - President
ARGUMENTS OVER THAT OVER THE YEARS WITH THAT TOO. IN TERMS OF THE TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DID THE FOUNDERS SEEM TO BE THINKING...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
OF COURSE, THEY WERE COMING OUT OF THE EXPERIENCE WITH THE WAR AGAINST THE BRITISH SO THE ATTEMPT TO IMPOSE TYRANNY WITH THE BRITISH ARMY WAS IN THEIR...
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Helmke, Paul - President
IN MASSACHUSETTS. >> Guest: THEY DID,
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
AND THEY HAD TROUBLE GETTING TROOPS TO ANSWER THE CALL TO GO
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Helmke, Paul - President
FIGHT. >> Host: UH-HUH. >> Guest: AND SO THEY --
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
THEY THOUGHT -- YOU'LL SEE THERE'S QUOTATIONS, ESPECIALLY FROM JOHN ADAMS, WHO MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THEY WERE NOT TRYING TO CREATE A SITUATION WHERE...
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Helmke, Paul - President
LIKE THAT TODAY. >>
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: THEY DO. IT'S NOT THE WAY THE GUYS, THE FOUNDERS, THOUGHT. THEY SAW THIS STRICTLY AS A MEANS OF PRERECEIVERRING THE -- PRESERVING THE STATE'S...
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Helmke, Paul - President
TIES INTO THE GOVERNMENTAL SETUP, AND AFTER THE CONSTITUTION IS ADOPTED IN WASHINGTON AND YOU HAVE THE WHISKY TACK -- TAX AND REBELLION. HOW DID THEY...
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| 00:12:49 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
BETTER THAN SHAY'S REBELLION DID, BUT, SURE. THEY RECOGNIZED THAT THEY NEEDED A STRONG FEDERAL POWER, BUT THEY NEEDED TO BE CHECKS THAT WOULD ENSURE...
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Helmke, Paul - President
THEN, DURING 1800, THE REST OF THE 1800S, WE CAN -- 1900S, CONTINUE TO HAVE GUNS PLAY A ROLE IN SOCIETY, PARTICULARLY, ON THE FRONTIER. ANY SURPRISES...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
MAIN SURPRISE TO ME WAS GUN CONTROL IN THE WILD WEST, AND I GREW UP, WESTERN IN THE 50S, AND PLENTY OF GUNS THERE, AND, WELL, IN REALITY, YOU COULDN'T...
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Helmke, Paul - President
WITH THE WAY PEOPLE THINK ABOUT IT. >> Guest:
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
NO. THIS IS, OF COURSE, IN SETTLEMENTS, NOT IN THE WILD PRAIRIE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE LIKE TOWNS EVERYWHERE TODAY. YOU NEED A LITTLE LAW AND ORDER...
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Helmke, Paul - President
OKAY CORRAL. >> Guest: IT STARTED
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
BECAUSE THEY HAD A FIREARM CARRIED AROUND TOWN, AND INCIDENTALLY, THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT GUN RIGHTS WERE FOR START IN THE 19TH CENTURY AND PARTICULARLY,...
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Helmke, Paul - President
BURR ACTUALLY. >> Guest: WAS A
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
VICE PRESIDENT. BUT ONE OF THE MEANS THAT PEOPLE WHO INSISTED ON BEING ABLE TO SETTLE MATTERS OF HONOR ON THE SPOT STARTED TO DO IN THE EARLY 19TH...
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Helmke, Paul - President
STILL HOLDS TRUE TODAY. MOST PLACES DON'T HAVE REVIXES ON OPEN CARRYING OF GUNS, PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE, BUT PLACES HAVE RESTRICTION ON CONCEALED CARRYING...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
CAME UP ON SOMEONE. VERMONT HAS NO RULES AT ALL ABOUT THAT, BUT ANYWAY, THE -- >> Host: THE SLAVE
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Helmke, Paul - President
ISSUE. >> Guest:
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
SLAVES ALSO BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR, DIDN'T HAVE GUNS, AND WHITES IN THE SOUTH, SOME OF THEM BEGAN TO SEE PERSONAL FIREARMS AS A MEANS OF DEFENDING THEMSELVES...
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Helmke, Paul - President
IN HISTORY. WHAT WAS THE LEGAL UNDERSTANDING. WHEN THERE WERE RESTRICTIONS, DID THEY CONSIDER THAT UNCONSTITUTIONAL OR ONE THEY THOUGHT AS AN URBAN...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
COURTS DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY IN GUN RIGHTS EXCEPT IN STATE COURTS WHERE, FOR THE MOST PART, THE EARLY RULING BY STATE AND LOWER FEDERAL COURTS SUPPORTED...
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Helmke, Paul - President
ISSUE. >> Guest: AND
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| 00:19:17 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
THE SUPREME COURT DBT FIND THAT THE CASE AND SAID AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SEE THERE WAS ANY RACIAL MOTIVATION AT ALL HERE TO DEPRIVE BLACKS...
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Helmke, Paul - President
HOW THE BILL OF RIGHTS WAS INTERPRETED BY THE COURTS. IT APPLIED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT UNLESS IT WAS INCORPORATED TO THE STATES. >> Guest: WE DIDN'T...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
THE INCORPORATION TO THE STATES UNTIL 2010, A FOLLOW-UP DECISION TO THE -- >> Host: THE CHICAGO
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Helmke, Paul - President
CASE. >> Guest:
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
RIGHT. >> Host:
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Helmke, Paul - President
HOW ABOUT IN THE 1900S, THEN? WE GOT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT PROHIBITION ERA. YOU'VE GOT JOHN DYLANGER, MACHINE GUNS, WHAT'S THAT? >> Guest: WELL,
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
PROHIBITION PRODUCED ORGANIZE CRIME AND GMEN AND ELLIOT NESS AND ALL OF THAT, AND, ACTUALLY, THE FIRST REAL FEDERAL GUN CONTROL MEASURE THAT CAME...
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Helmke, Paul - President
FAIR -- FIREARM ACT. >> Guest: EXACTLY, UPHELD
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| 00:20:54 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
IN 1939 BY THE SUPREME COURT. >>
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Helmke, Paul - President
Host: THE MILLER CASE. >> Guest: THE MILLER
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
CASE WHERE SOMEBODY CHALLENGED THE APPLICATION OF HOW COULD YOU BE DENIED THE RIGHT TO HAVE A MACHINE GUN AND THE SUPREME COURT SAID UNLESS YOU CAN...
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| 00:21:42 |
Helmke, Paul - President
TIME AGO, AND THAT WAS THE LAW WAS LAND, CLEARLY, UNTIL 2008. WHAT CHANGED DURING THAT TIME PERIOD? >> Guest: WELL,
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| 00:21:51 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
INCIDENTALLY, THE 1934 FIREARMS ACT IS STILL ENFORCED -- >> Host: JUST AS AN ASIDE,
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| 00:21:58 |
Helmke, Paul - President
I ALWAYS POINTED THAT OUT SHOWING HOW GUN CONTROL CAN WORK. YOU DON'T SEE BANK ROBBERS WITH MACHINE GUNS ANYMORE. THEY HAVE NOT BANNED THEM, BUT...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
APPALLING GUN MASSACRES ARE -- NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN COMMITTED WITH A FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPON, BUT -- >>
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Helmke, Paul - President
Host: WHAT HAPPENED? >> Guest: WELL, YOU HAVE
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| 00:22:21 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
THE FIREARMS ACT, AND THEN IMPORTANTLY, THE 1960 #S HAPPENED, AND ALL THE RACIAL AND SOCIAL TURBULENCE OF THE 60S AND ASSASSINATIONS OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY,...
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Helmke, Paul - President
THE GUNS AND IN THE PICTURES AND EVERYTHING. >> Guest:
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
PASSED A LAW MAKING IT HARDER, ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT, IMPOSING A WAITING PERIOD BETWEEN APPLYING FOR A HANDGUN AND ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO BUY...
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Helmke, Paul - President
I MEAN, THAT DEALT MAINLY WITH THE LIST OF PROHIBITIVE PURCHASERS; RIGHT? IT WAS NOT SAYING THAT IF YOU'RE A FELON OR HABITUAL DRAG -- DRUG USER OR...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
THE TIME IT WAS -- IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO DO THOSE CHECKS, AND EVENTUALLY, THAT WAS REPLACED BY THE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW, WHICH IS FULLY AUTOMATED, AND...
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Helmke, Paul - President
Host: ACTUALLY, THE WAY IT WORKED IS THROUGH OR THE 25-YEAR PERIOD WAS IN EFFECT THE HONOR SYSTEM. YOU WENT IN TO BUY A GUN, AND THEY SAID, CRAIG,...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: RIGHT. THE 68 ACT ALLOWED PEOPLE TO LIE AND GET AWAY WITH IT, ABSOLUTELY, AND THAT WAS NOT CHANGED, ACTUALLY, UNTIL THE GRAVY ACT WHEN THE NICS...
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Helmke, Paul - President
SUPPORTING THINGS, THE 68 ACT, PROMINENT REPUBLICANS SUPPORTING IT. WHEN DID THE MIND SET CHANGE AND BECOME DIFFERENT HERE? >> Guest: WELL,
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| 00:25:27 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
INTERESTINGLY, CAME AS A SURPRISE TO ME, TOO, TO LEARN THE NRA WAS FOUNDED BY TWO "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTERS. >> Host: NOW I KNOW WHO
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Helmke, Paul - President
TO BLAME. >>
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: WHAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WAS BEING PREPARED FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE LIKE THE FIRST WORLD WAR AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN...
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Helmke, Paul - President
GOT THE NRA BADGES AT SUMMER CAMP. >> Guest: MY SON
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
GOT ONE. >> Host: I KEPT THE
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| 00:25:59 |
Helmke, Paul - President
BADGES TOO. IT'S A POINT OF PRIDE. THAT WAS A DIFFERENT NRA I THINK. >> Guest: THE NRA STILL DOES
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| 00:26:06 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
A LOT OF WORTHWHILE TRAINING AND CERTIFYING OF ABILITY TO USE FIREARMS SAFELY, AND, BUT THEY BECAME POLITICALLY THE LEADERSHIP THAT HAD APPROVED THE...
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Helmke, Paul - President
CRIME WAS RISING IN THE 80S AND EARLY 1990S, CRACK COCAINE AND THE GANGS AND MORE SOPHISTICATED GUNS, CONGRESS ACTED AGAIN. I MEAN, REALLY ONLY THE...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: WITH THE -- >> Host: THE BRADY BILL
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Helmke, Paul - President
AND ASSAULT WEAPON BAN. HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THE CRONOLOGY THEN? >> Guest: WELL, YOU HAD
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
THE ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT REAGAN. TOOK HIM TEN YEARS TO COME AROUND TO SUPPORTING A STRONGER MEASURE. HE EVENTUALLY DID, OF COURSE,...
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Helmke, Paul - President
YEAR. >> Guest: WAS
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
MORE EMOTIONAL THAN REAL. IF YOU LOOK AT VIOLENT CRIMES COMMITTED WITH GUNS IN OUR CITIES TODAY OR THEN, THESE ASSAULT WEAPONS THAT LOOK LIKE M16S OR...
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Helmke, Paul - President
NIGHT SPECIALS FROM THE 60S. >> Guest: EXACTLY, BUT
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| 00:28:50 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
ASSAULT WEAPONS LOOKED SCARY, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE EASY TO SCARE PEOPLE ABOUT. THEY HAD FIGURED, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, DISPROPORTIONALLY...
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Helmke, Paul - President
PEOPLE PROBABLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SEMIAUTOMATIC, FULLY AUTOMATIC, AND A SINGLE SHOT PISTOL. >> Guest:
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
RIGHT. ARE REVOLVER, PULL THE TRIGGER, EACH TIME FIRES A BULLET, AND ONE COMES IN THE CHAMBER, AND YOU FIRE AGAIN. SAME WITH THE SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL....
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Helmke, Paul - President
TEN SECONDS. WITH A SEMIAUTOMATIC, YOU PULL IT BACK, AND IT KEEPS FIRING. >> Guest:
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
IF YOU HAVE A MAGAZINE WITH A HUNDRED ROUNDS IN IT THE WAY THE SHOOTER DID IN THE MOVIE THEATER MASSACRE, BATHMAN EPISODE, YOU CAN GET A LOT -- ALTHOUGH...
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Helmke, Paul - President
TUCSON SHOOTER WITH GIFFORD, THAT WAS A MAGAZINE WITH 31 ROUNDS AND GOT THOSE OFF IN 15 SECS PROBABLY. >> Guest:
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
AND PREVENTED -- >> Host: WHEN HE TRIED
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Helmke, Paul - President
TO RELOAD. >>
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: SO -- >> Host: THE BRADY
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Helmke, Paul - President
BILL, ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN -- >> Guest: ALLOWED TO
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
LAST. WHEN THE MOMENTUM BEHIND KEEPING THE BAN RAN OUT AND PRESIDENT BUSH WAS IN OFFICE -- >> Host:
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Helmke, Paul - President
INSTEAD OF BILL CLINTON. .. IF YOU REINSTATED THE BAN NOW IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME GRANDFATHER CLAUSE AS WEAPONS PREVIOUSLY PURCHASED SO I THINK...
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| 00:32:23 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
CRIMINALS DON'T THERE WITH REGISTERING THEIR GUNS. THE WAY TO TRY TO CONTROL THAT AND IT WILL NEVER BE POSSIBLE TO ELIMINATE IT, IS A THING TO AIM...
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Helmke, Paul - President
Host:>> Host: BEFORE GIVEN SOLUTIONS AND I WANT TO DISCUSS THOSE IN DETAIL, WE KIND OF SKIPPED OVER THE HELL ARE RULING IN THE MCDONALD RULING. WHERE...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT AND I THINK HISTORY SHOWS THAT BUT WHAT THE HELL ARE DECISIONS THAT WAS FIRST OF ALL, IT'S INCONSISTENT. AT ONE POINT SCALIA'S...
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Helmke, Paul - President
NOT UNLIMITED. >>
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: RIGHT, LONG-STANDING REGULATIONS LIKE TO -- CAN'T TAKE GUNS TO SCHOOLS AND THAT SORT OF THING. >> Host: YOU CAN HAVE
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| 00:34:35 |
Helmke, Paul - President
LIMITS ON WHERE YOU GET GUNS, HOW THEY ARE SOLD IN STORED AND EVEN WHAT KIND OF GUNS THEY ARE. >> Guest: RIGHT,
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
AND THAT RULING WAS BASIC EXTENDED TO THE STATES IN 2010 IN THE CHICAGO CASE. MCDONNELL WAS A BLACK MAN WHO WANTED TO HAVE A FIREARM -- >>
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Helmke, Paul - President
Host: ACTUALLY HAD A FIREARM, HE LEGALLY HAD A SHOT DOWN AND HE WANTED THE PISTOL AND COULDN'T BECAUSE CHICAGO HAD STRICT LAWS LIKE THE ONES IN THE DISTRICT....
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Helmke, Paul - President
I THINK IN THIS DAY AND AGE, YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT OR A VALID QUESTION IS, WHAT DIFFERENCE DID I REALLY MAKE EXCEPT IN D.C. AND CHICAGO? NOBODY WAS...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
IS INTERESTING. TO ME THAT WAS A SURPRISE BECAUSE A LOT OF IN CONTROL ADVOCATES SAID, AFTER BOTH OF THOSE DECISIONS, THAT PROBABLY THE TSUNAMI I THINK...
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Helmke, Paul - President
AT LEAST A COUPLE HUNDRED LAWSUITS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, LAWSUITS MOVE SLOWLY. AT. >> Guest: ALMOST EVERYONE
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
OF EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS UPHELD THE LAWS. >> Host: THERE WAS A
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| 00:36:50 |
Helmke, Paul - President
TIDAL WAVE AMONG JUDGES TO OVERTHROW BEN -- BECAUSE OF HELLER AND MCDONALD. >>
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: YOU HAVE GOT THIS NEW DEFINITION OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND AGAIN AT IT ONE LEVEL I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE HOW MANY ANGELS CAN DANCE ON THE HEAD...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS HAVE THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION INSTEAD WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS AFTER AN ATROCITY LIKE AURORA IS POLITICIANS ON ALL ...
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Helmke, Paul - President
ENEMY. >> Host: MAYOR BLOOMBERG FROM NEW YORK STARTED IT AND NOW THERE ARE 500 PLUS MAYORS. >>
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: THERE IS UNDENIABLY A GUN VIOLENCE PROBLEM IN OUR COUNTRY AND NOBODY CAN DENY IT. UNFORTUNATELY NOBODY IS REALLY TALKING VERY MUCH ABOUT WHAT...
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Helmke, Paul - President
IN ONE DEBATE. >>
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: THERE WAS SOME COMMON GROUND THEY FOUND, WHICH MY FORMER NEWSPAPER, THE TIMES IN AN EDITORIAL SAID SORT OF, IT WAS MEANINGLESS. WELL, IT'S NOT...
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Helmke, Paul - President
IS THE LIST THAT IS ACCESSED WHEN YOU DO A BACKGROUND CHECK. >> Guest:
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
RIGHT. OFTEN CRIMINALS GET AROUND THAT BY NOT -- BY GETTING SOMEBODY ELSE TO BUY IT THAN FOR THEM ADAY GUN SHOW OR SOMETHING. >>
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Helmke, Paul - President
Host: A STRAW PURCHASE. >>
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT COULD BE CHANGED, NOT JUST GUN SHOWS WHERE YOU COULD DIE AT THEM FROM A PRIVATE SELLER WITHOUT GOING THROUGH BACKGROUND...
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Helmke, Paul - President
BACKGROUND CHECK? >> Guest: YOU'RE NOT
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
BUYING FROM A FEDERALLY -- LICENSED DEALER. >> Host: ONE OF THE
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Helmke, Paul - President
BARRIERS TO TO A DISCUSSION AS A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAWS WORKS IN ONE OF THE THINGS I TRIED TO POINT OUT IS WHETHER WE HAVE THAT MANY GUN...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS. >>
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Helmke, Paul - President
Host: THAT BECOMES A PRIVATE SELLER EXEMPTION WHICH IS OFTEN EXPLOITED IT AND THEN SHOWS WELL SOMEONE WILL SET UP WEEK AFTER WEEK 100 HENCE NEVER DO A...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
FIERCELY OPPOSED TO IT. >> Host: WHY WOULD THEY
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Helmke, Paul - President
OPPOSE OF THAT? >> Guest: BECAUSE ANY KIND
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
OF RESTRICTION IS UNFETTERED FREEDOM TO OWN AND USE A GUN. >> Host: CLEARLY IT SHOULD
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Helmke, Paul - President
BE CONSTITUTIONAL. >> Guest: I
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| 00:41:39 |
Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
CAN IMAGINE -- SURE IT'S JUST A LOOPHOLE THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO PRIVATE SALES. BUT I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE AREA WHERE YOU COULD FIND COMMON GROUND....
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| 00:42:18 |
Helmke, Paul - President
OF COURSE PART OF WHAT IS NEEDED TO REALLY ENFORCE THOSE LAWS ARE STRONGER DEFINITION SOMETIMES ARE STRONGER REGULATIONS OF THE LIST OF PROHIBITIVE PURCHASERS...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
A SIMILAR ISSUE THEY ARE AND I RECOGNIZE THE SENSITIVITY. I KNOW PEOPLE MYSELF WHO HAVE HAD MENTAL PROBLEMS AND DEALT WITH THEM AND A BLANKET PROHIBITION...
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Helmke, Paul - President
REALLY WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT. AT VIRGINIA TECH WHEN THE BRADY CENTER DISCOVERED THAT A COURT IN VIRGINIA HAD FOUND HIM TO BE A DANGER...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: [INAUDIBLE] THEY DID TIGHTEN UP, VIRGINIA DID COME ITS PROCEDURES. >> Host: A
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Helmke, Paul - President
FEDERAL LAW WAS PASSED SO THERE WAS A FEDERAL BILL PASSED BY PRESIDENT BUSH IN IN A WAY THAT GAVE INCENTIVES TO PUT MORE OF THESE RECORDS IN. >>
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH COMPLIANCE THERE HAS THERE HAS BEEN EFFECTIVELY. CHUCK SCHUMER A SENATOR FROM NEW YORK IS TRYING TO WITHHOLD MONEY FROM...
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Helmke, Paul - President
I HAVE ALWAYS LOOKED AT THE ISSUES, HAVING A STRONGER BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE DANGEROUS FROM GETTING GUNS SHOULD...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
GET TO THAT YOU HAVE TO GET PAST THE HYSTERIA THAT THE NRA AND OTHER GROUPS LIKE IT HAD HAVE CREATED IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND IN CONGRESS, WHERE THEY...
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Helmke, Paul - President
GEORGE ZIMMERMAN SITUATION IN FLORIDA. >> Guest:
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
LET THE JURY DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS THERE BUT PASS A LAW TO MAKE IT EASIER TO KILL PEOPLE, CRIMINALS CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT LAW TOO. NOT JUST YOU WHO...
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Helmke, Paul - President
BASICALLY THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE IN EVERY STATE RECOGNIZES THE RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE BUT WHAT THESE LAWS DO IN SO MANY MANY...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
IT DID SURPRISE ME A LITTLE, I DIDN'T CONDUCT AN ISSUE WIDE SURVEY OF GUN OWNERS BUT AMONG PEOPLE WHO OWN GUNS THAT I TALKED WITH, I FOUND VERY OFTEN...
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Helmke, Paul - President
SHOULD. >> Guest: FOR
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
MOST PEOPLE IT DOES BUT IT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE MORE CAREFUL IF THEY ALL HAD TO PASS SOME KIND OF A TEST BEFORE THEY GET A LICENSE. >> Host: LIKE BEFORE...
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Helmke, Paul - President
CAN DRIVE A CAR IN GENERAL. >> Guest: YOU DON'T IN
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
MOST PLACES ACTUALLY. >>
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Helmke, Paul - President
Host: ONE OF THE WEAKNESSES I FELT IN YOUR BOOK, WAS DEALING WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF GUN VIOLENCE AND YOU TOUCHED ON IT SOME. 12,000 PEOPLE MURDERED...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: THE BRADY CAMPAIGN HAS DONE SO MUCH TO GET PEOPLE LIKE THAT -- I CERTAINLY DIDN'T INTEND TO IGNORE THE PROBLEM. BUT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 30,000...
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Helmke, Paul - President
YOU MENTIONED, YOU TALK ABOUT STRICTER PENALTIES AND WE HAVE COVERED BOTH OF THOSE. YOU MENTIONED LICENSING AND REGISTRATION. YOU TOUCHED ON IT BRIEFLY...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
WOULD GO BACK TO THE HISTORY AND PEOPLE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WELL WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD GUN REGISTRATIONS. IT'S JUST BEEN ON A LOCAL LEVEL....
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Helmke, Paul - President
Host: I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THE AUTOMOBILE WAS A GOOD ONE. IF I'M GOING TO SELL MY CAR TO MY NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR, I CAN'T JUST SELL MY CAR TIME. HE STILL...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
THE GUNS -- FROM REGULATING THE WAY GUNS WORK TO MAKE SURE THEY OPERATE SAFELY. >> Host: HOW
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Helmke, Paul - President
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> Guest: IT DOESN'T
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
MAKE
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Helmke, Paul - President
SENSE. >> Host: SOMETIMES GUNS WITHOUT THE PERSON DO KILL PEOPLE TOO. >> Guest: I DON'T KNOW
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
WHAT FEDERAL REGULATION RULES WOULD BE APPLIED TO GUN MANUFACTURERS TO MAKE IT SAFER TO OPERATE GUNS. RIGHT NOW IS BARRED BY CONGRESSIONAL LAW. >> Host:...
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Helmke, Paul - President
AMAZES ME, THE RESTRICTIONS AND AGAIN I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE THIS, THAT THE CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL IS RESTRICTED ON WHAT THEY CAN LOOK INTO,...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
ENFORCEMENT HAS DONE NOTHING TO REDUCE GUN VIOLENCE. WHEN WE STARTED TO LOOK AT TOBACCO AND A CAUSE WE HAD SURGEON GENERAL STATEMENTS AND WE HAD LAWSUITS...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
Guest: IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE AND I HOPE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO START TALKING INTELLIGENTLY ABOUT OUR GUN VIOLENCE PROBLEM IN WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT AND NOT...
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Helmke, Paul - President
IS THAT THE LIBERAL SOURCE OF THE GUNOWNERS? >> Guest: ANYBODY
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
BUT CERTAINLY I FIND A LOT OF MY FRIENDS -- LIBERAL FRIENDS AND MAYOR BLOOMBERG, HE IS SO PREOCCUPIED WITH THE PROBLEM OF GUN VIOLENCE IN THE CITY...
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Helmke, Paul - President
NEW YORK PARTICULARLY IN THE KNOW YOU GET INTO IT INTO THE BOOK DEALS WITH A LOT OF THE CONCEALED CARRY LAWS. WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO GET A PERMIT TO CARRY...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
IN GENERAL ALL OF GUN LEGISLATION ON WHO CAN OWN GUNS ASIDE FROM THE FEDERAL CATEGORIES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES, WHEN YOU...
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Helmke, Paul - President
THE STATE PREEMPTS IT. >> Guest: HOW DOES
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
A LEGISLATOR SITTING IN THE CAPITOL -- >> Host:
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Helmke, Paul - President
THE STATE LEGISLATURE SAID NO, WE CAN'T HAVE LOCAL LAWS. >> Guest: AT SOME
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
THINKING. IS HYSTERIA THAT PRODUCES LAWS LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT CLEAR THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS AND HOW WE CAN INTELLIGENTLY DEAL WITH...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
ARGUMENTS, YOU HEAR THAT AFTER A LARGE-SCALE MASS SHOOTING. ARMED PEOPLE CARRYING GUNS IN THE CROWD AROUND CONGRESSWOMAN GIFFORDS OR THE MOVIE THEATER...
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Helmke, Paul - President
ACTUALLY THERE WAS A GUY CARRYING A GUN AROUND THE CORNER. YOU MENTIONED THE BOOK -- HE ROUNDED THE CORNER AND HE HAD OUR DETECT THE SHOOTER BECAUSE...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
PROBLEM AND IF YOU'RE A POLICE OFFICER HAD HE FEEL ABOUT GOING INTO A BAR OR A RESTAURANT WITH SOMEBODY PICKING OFF PEOPLE AT A TERRIBLE CLIP AND PEOPLE...
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Helmke, Paul - President
THEM. >> Host: AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IS WEARING THE WHITE HAT. >> Guest: SOMETHING
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
PEOPLE OFTEN ASSUME ABOUT GUNS AND SELF-PROTECTION IS IT WOULD HELP ME TO HAVE A GUN TO MY HOME NEXT TO MY BED FOR SELF REJECTION. OKAY, ROBBER WHO...
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Helmke, Paul - President
THERE ARE STUDIES THAT SHOW AND PEOPLE ARGUE ABOUT THE STUDIES ALL THE TIME BUT A GUN IN YOUR HOME IS 21 MORE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE USED AGAINST YOU...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
A GUN. >> Host:
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Helmke, Paul - President
ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT YOUR BOOK AS YOU STRESS THERE ARE COMMUNITY RESPONSIBILITIES AND THERE ARE RISKS AND WE NEED TO DIALOGUE. TOO MUCH OF...
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Whitney, Craig R. - Assistant Managing Editor
HOPE WE WILL BUT SO FAR -- >> Host: AGAIN THE GUN
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Helmke, Paul - President
CONTROL SIDE WE WANT TO TALK AND MAYBE THAT THEIR SITE DOESN'T BUT I'M WILLING TO TRY ANYTHING TO GET THEM TO THE TABLE. THANK YOU FOR WRITING THE BOOK...
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Helmke, Paul - President
YOU. >> THAT WAS
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