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AS SCOTT MENTIONED, EVERY TIME DAUGHTERS OF WORLD WAR II DOES A PROGRAM, WE RECEIVE CALLS FROM OUR VETERANS. AND THEY WANT TO SHARE THEIR STORIES...
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| 00:02:55 |
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BRING ME. I TREASURE THEM AND I SHARE THEM. AND I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> THANK YOU, JEANNE, VERY, VERY MUCH. AND NOW, LADIES AND...
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| 00:03:20 |
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IS AN ATTORNEY WITH WIN STEAD LAW FIRM. MR. TALMADGE BOSTON. HE IS THE SON AND SON-IN-LAW OF NAVY WORLD WAR II VETERANS. HE IS THE AUTHOR OF THREE...
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| 00:05:39 |
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YEARS. AS THE WAR PROGRESSED, THE JAPANESE CONTINUED TO LOSE ITS AERIAL DOMINANCE DUE TO OUTDATED AIRCRAFT. >> IF THERE WAS EVER ANYTHING THAT...
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| 00:05:57 |
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KAMIKAZE. . IT WAS DECIDED THAT KAMIKAZE AIRCRAFT, PILOT-GUIDED EXPLOSIVE MISSILES, WOULD DELIBERATELY CRASH THEIR PLANES INTO ENEMY SHIPS. >> WE WERE...
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| 00:06:20 |
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ATTACKS, IT JUST -- IT SCARED THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF EVERYBODY. >> MOST KAMIKAZE PILOTS VOLUNTEERED AS TEENAGERS, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT CERTAIN...
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| 00:06:33 |
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REACHED THE AGE OF 20. [ SPECKING JAPAN -- SPEAKING JAPANESE ] >> THEY CALL IT KAMIKAZE, MEANING THE DEIVINE TEMPEST. WE CALL THEM SUICIDE PLANES....
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| 00:07:05 |
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WE STOPPED THEM WAS JUST TO FILL THE AIR WITH FLACK. AND IF THERE WAS EVER AN OPENING IN THE
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| 00:07:12 |
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FLACK, THEY WERE ON IT. AND WE HAD A NUMBER OF THEM JUST BARELY MISS US AT OKINAWA. >> THE JAPANESE MILITARY CULTURE WAS ONE OF DEATH, NOT DEFEAT. ALL...
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| 00:07:28 |
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SELF-SACRIFICE, LOYALTY AND HONOR UNTIL DEATH. [ SINGING IN JAPANESE ] >> NEARLY 400,000 AMERICANS LOST THEIR LIVES DURING WORLD WAR II. FIVE TIMES THAT...
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| 00:07:58 |
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TO 4,000 OF WHICH WERE KAMIKAZE PILOTS. ON A SUICIDE MISSION TO KILL THE ENEMY. >> SEEING THAT PLANE SO LARGE AND SO VIVIDLY AS IT DOVE, IN I WOULD WANT...
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| 00:08:14 |
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IN MY MIND. THAT MICROSECOND BEFORE THE PROPELLER HIT THE DECK I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE IT. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS UNREAL. SOMETHING YOU NEVER HEARD...
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| 00:08:53 |
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SURRENDER. >> MOMENTS AFTER PRESIDENT HARRY TRUMAN'S ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THE WAR WAS OVER, THIS ICONIC PICTURE WAS SNAPPED IN NEW YORK CITY'S TIMES
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| 00:09:10 |
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SQUARE OF A SAILOR AND THE WOMAN HE EMBRACED. THAT WAS 67 YEARS AGO TODAY. AUGUST 14, 1945. FOR FISK HANLEY, B 29 FLIGHT ENGINEER, SHOT DOWN OVER JAPAN,...
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| 00:10:32 |
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THE VIDEO BETTER? IF WE TURN THE LIGHTS OFF THEY'RE LIKE ALIKE THE LIGHTS AT THE AMERICAN AIRLINES CENTER. THAT'S WHY THEY CAN NEVER TURN THEM OFF...
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| 00:11:10 |
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AN HONOR OF HIGH STRESS. FISK, YOU ENDURED THE FRIGHTFUL EXPERIENCE OF JUMPING OUT OF A PLANE IN A DOWNWARD SPIRAL OVER JAPAN AND THEN GETTING CAPTURED...
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| 00:12:33 |
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WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS BEST. AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I CAN SAY. >> WELL, BILL, YOU WERE
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| 00:12:41 |
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TELLING ME THIS MORNING WHAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU LEARNED FROM YOUR WORLD WAR II EXPERIENCE WAS. >> WELL, I'VE
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| 00:12:48 |
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GOT TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE IS PATIENT AND NUMBER TWO
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| 00:12:57 |
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IS OBEDIENCE. IN THE PATIENCE WE OVERCOME DIFFICULTY AND DON'T EVER GIVE UP. AND THE OTHER ONE IS YOU RESPECT YOUR ORDER. AND DON'T EVER ARGUE. >>...
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| 00:13:22 |
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NOW, PAUL TIBBETZ
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| 00:13:24 |
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WAS THE PILOT OF THE ANOLA GAY AS WE ALL KNOW WHICH DROPPED THE ATOMIC BOMB ON HIROSHIMA. I'VE READ THE LETTER THAT GENERAL TIBBETZ WROTE TO YOU, FISK,...
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| 00:14:06 |
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COUNTRY? >> UNDER MILITARY CONTROL EVERYTHING. AND ESPECIALLY
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| 00:14:14 |
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YOU SAW THE OMNI FORCE THE UNIFORM YOU ARE NO LONGER A PRIVATE CITIZEN. YOU BELONG TO THE EMPEROR. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE -- IN A KIND OBEDIENCE THAT'S...
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| 00:14:46 |
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YOU WERE HONORED TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY? >> WELL, THAT'S
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| 00:14:51 |
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ONE THING. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BUT HOPE AND PRAY I
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| 00:14:59 |
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CAN DIE AND ABILITY TO SINK ONE OF THE AMERICAN SHIPS. THAT'S THE ONE THING ON MY MIND. >> I SEE. NOW, FISK, IN THAT SAME LETTER GENERAL TIBBETZ
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| 00:15:12 |
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SAID, "THERE IS NO MORALITY IN WARFARE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS YOU MUST USE EVERY MEANS AT YOUR DISPOSAL TO INFLICT YOUR WILL ON THE ENEMY." DO YOU...
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| 00:15:41 |
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SO RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S NO MORALITY IN WARFARE, HOW DOES THAT -- HOW DO YOU PROCESS THAT IN THE MIDST OF
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| 00:15:48 |
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THE TORTURE THAT YOU ENDURED AS A SPECIAL PRISONER UNDER THE KEMPETAI? >> I THINK THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN CULTURES BETWEEN THE JAPANESE AND OURSELVES....
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| 00:16:03 |
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WE'RE DOING NOW THAT ARE NOT TOO GOOD FOR PRISONERS, AGAINST PRISONERS. SO I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AT THE TIME, AND I SURVIVED IT. SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL...
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| 00:16:25 |
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AND NAGASAKI AUGUST 6 AND AUGUST 9, 1945, BROUGHT THE WAR TO A MUCH QUICKER END THAN OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE OCCURRED. AND THEREBY SAVED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS...
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| 00:17:02 |
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TOJO PREMIERE OF JAPAN WAS THEIR COMMANDER BEFORE HE BECAME PREMIERE. AND THESE SPECIAL INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS TOLD ME HOW THE JAPANESE PLANNED TO END...
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| 00:18:22 |
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THE ATOMIC BOMB DESTROYED TWO OF JAPAN'S LARGEST CITIES, WHICH BROUGHT ABOUT A MUCH QUICKER END TO THE WAR, IT OBVIOUSLY SAVED YOUR LIFE. YOU TALK ABOUT...
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| 00:19:02 |
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NOW, DID YOU COME TO THAT OPINION IMMEDIATELY, OR DID IT TAKE SOME TIME BEFORE YOU COULD BE THANKFUL FOR
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| 00:19:10 |
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THE ATOMIC BOMB? >> WELL, [ INAUDIBLE ] I WASN'T THANKFUL. WHICH KEPT ON SO I CAN DIE FOR MY
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| 00:19:24 |
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COUNTRY. BUT NOW I'M VERY THANKFUL AND I CAME TO THIS COUNTRY PARTICULARLY AND I HAVE A GOOD LIVING AND I'M REALLY HAPPY. [ APPLAUSE ] >> AND I'M DOING...
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| 00:19:52 |
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BOMBS IS SHARED BY MANY OF
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| 00:19:55 |
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YOUR FELLOW JAPANESE FRIENDS? >> WELL, FUNNY THING. AFTER THE WAR WE SEPARATED OUR OWN WAYS. WE NEVER HAVE ANY REUNION, ANYTHING. AND I
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| 00:20:09 |
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NEVER HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT IT. OKAY? SO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I'M REAL HAPPY. I SURVIVED. >> YOU SURVIVED. THAT'S RIGHT....
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| 00:20:31 |
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ALLIED PRISONERS OF THE JAPANESE. THE ORDER OUT
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| 00:20:34 |
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OF IMPERIAL JAPANESE HEADQUARTERS TO EXECUTE ALL PRISONERS WHEN THAT INVASION TOOK PLACE. SO THE ATOMIC BOMB SAVED BILL, ME, AND 300,000 AMERICAN PRISONERS....
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| 00:21:03 |
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THAT IS APPLAUDED BY BOTH AMERICANS AND JAPANESE. [ APPLAUSE ] >> NOW, WE HAVE ALL THESE WONDERFUL VETERANS IN OUR AUDIENCE TODAY. AND OF COURSE WE...
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| 00:21:17 |
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ARE HAVING AN ONGOING PROBLEM WITH POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER, PTSD. NOW, WHEN EACH OF YOU FINISHED YOUR HIGHLY STRESSFUL TIMES OF TRAUMATIC MILITARY...
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| 00:21:51 |
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COLLEGE TYPEWRITER BECAUSE I COULDN'T SLEEP AT NIGHT AND I TYPED OUT PAGE BY PAGE. AND AS I ENDED UP WITH ALL
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| 00:21:58 |
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THE -- MY STRESS WENT AWAY. AND IT'S GONE. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THAT HAPPENED. [ APPLAUSE ] >> AND I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT MUCH OF WHAT CAME OUT OF...
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| 00:22:16 |
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WHEN THE PROGRAM WAS OVER ABOUT THE TORTURE THAT YOU ENDURED AND YOUR FELLOW SOLDIERS AND JUST THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU ENCOUNTERED. SO REMEMBERING AND...
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| 00:22:46 |
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THE BOOK IN 1997, DECADES AFTER IT HAPPENED. SO THAT WAS THE BASIS FOR MY BOOK. >> RIGHT. NOW, BILL, YOU HAD QUITE THE EXPERIENCE SINCE YOU WERE WITHIN...
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| 00:23:01 |
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KAMIKAZE FLIGHT. THEY HAD ALREADY BEGUN THE PROCESS OF ACCEPTING THAT YOU WERE DEAD. AND THEY TOOK -- THEY CUT PARTS OF YOUR HAIR AND THEY CUT YOUR...
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| 00:23:57 |
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SOLDIER AND BEING ON THE EDGE OF DEATH AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE 16 YEARS OLD AND YOU'VE GOT THE REST OF YOUR LIFE TO LIVE? >> NUMBER ONE, I WAS...
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| 00:24:15 |
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FOUGHT FOUGHT, TWO DIFFERENT TYPE WAR. THE NUMBER THREE, THEY USED THE SO-CALLED SUICIDE BOMBER. AND NUMBER FOUR, MOST OF THE INJURIES IS IN THE BRAIN,...
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| 00:24:48 |
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THE WAR, DESERT STORM, THOSE PEOPLE -- SUICIDE BOMBER AND BRAIN DAMAGE, I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM. I THINK IT'S A PHYSICAL PROBLEM. THAT'S WHAT I THINK....
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| 00:25:14 |
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THOUGHT ON THAT. WE DO NOT FIGHT WARS TO WIN ANYMORE. [ APPLAUSE ] >>
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| 00:25:55 |
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AND AS I WAS PREPARING FOR THIS INTERVIEW, THE IDEA OF AN UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER IS ALMOST
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| 00:26:10 |
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LIKE FOREIGN CONCEPT IN TODAY'S WORLD. NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHEN THE WAR WAS OVER YOU OBVIOUSLY HAD BEEN TORTURED SEVERELY BY THE JAPANESE FOR OVER...
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| 00:27:23 |
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AND THE DEAR LORD UP THERE SAVED ME 14 TIMES FOR SOME REASON. SO THAT MADE ME -- IT EASIER FOR ME TO ADJUST AND FORGIVE MY ENEMY. OF COURSE, KEMPETAI,...
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| 00:28:05 |
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WORSE. ABSOLUTELY. THEY WERE SPECIALLY PICKED FOR THEIR -- >> HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE
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| 00:28:12 |
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TO FORGIVE THE KEMPETAI? [ LAUGHTER ] >> OH, BOY. I'VE GOT TO ADMIT, NO. >> SO
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| 00:28:20 |
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YOU DID OKAY WITH THE REST OF THE JAPANESE BUT YOU'RE
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| 00:28:23 |
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STILL WORKING ON THE KEMPETAI? >> ASK BILL
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| 00:28:28 |
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IF HE'S FOR GIVEN THEM FOR KICKING HIS TEETH OUT? >> I NEVER GOT TO ASK YOU HAVE YOU FORGIVEN YOUR OWN
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| 00:28:36 |
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COUNTRYMEN FROM WHAT THE KEMPETAI DID TO YOU AS A YOUNG SOLDIER? WERE YOU ABLE
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| 00:28:40 |
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TO FORGIVE THE KEMPETAI? >> YES, DEFINITELY. >> ALL RIGHT. WELL, WERE YOU ABLE TO FOREGIVE THE AMERICANS WHO HAD DROPPED THE BOMBS THAT KILLED YOUR ...
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| 00:28:50 |
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YOUR SISTER? >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST THEM. AND ESPECIALLY THE BOMB WAS ONE THAT KILLED MY FATHER AND MY SISTER. NOT INDIVIDUAL. SO THERE'S...
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| 00:29:00 |
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| 00:29:13 |
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| 00:29:21 |
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| 00:29:28 |
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THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU MET BILL AT GENERAL DYNAMICS IN THE LATE 1970s? >> I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION. >> I'M GLAD I DID, TOO. >> IT'S VERY INTERESTING,...
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| 00:30:01 |
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EXECUTIVE OUT AT GENERAL DYNAMICS. AND BILL CAME INTO MY OFFICE. HE HAD TROUBLE WITH SOME OF
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| 00:30:06 |
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MY PEOPLE. BILL WAS IN THE MATERIAL DEPARTMENT OUT THERE. I WAS ENGINEERING. AND HE SAT DOWN IN FRONT OF MY DESK THERE. AND HE TOLD ME ABOUT HIS PROBLEM....
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| 00:32:07 |
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FIRST MEETING WITH FISK. >> WELL, I HAD COMPANY
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| 00:32:12 |
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BUSINESS AND I HAD TO GO TO HIS DEPARTMENT ONE
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| 00:32:19 |
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DAY. AND I GUESS I SAT IN FRONT OF HIS DESK. AND HE JUST CAME DOWN AND LOOKING -- I'M KIND OF UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TO HIM. BUT...
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| 00:33:03 |
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REUNIONS TOGETHER. FISK? >> YEAH. AND I TELL THE STORY ABOUT BILL? >> SURE. >> WELL, I BOMBED
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| 00:33:13 |
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IWOJIMA BEFORE THE MARINES ON THE 19th OF FEBRUARY INVADED IT. MY WING BOMBED IT WITH 100
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| 00:33:20 |
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AIRPLANES. 90% OF OUR BOMBS KILLED THE FISH OUT THERE, IT DIDN'T HIT THE ISLAND [ LAUGHTER ] >> BUT ANYWAY, SO I GO TO IWOJIMA SURVIVORS AT WICHITA...
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| 00:33:40 |
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THE MARINES, THESE MARINES SAW BAD THINGS HAPPEN ON IWO. AND THEY ARE NOT PARTICULARLY FOND OF THE JAPANESE. I GUESS THEY'VE FORGIVEN, TOO. SO I TOLD...
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| 00:34:13 |
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WAS PRETTY UPTIGHT [ LAUGHTER ] >> SO WE GOT UP AND ALL THESE MARINES, THERE WAS ABOUT I GUESS 50 OR MORE OF THEM, SURVIVORS, AND THEY TOOK ONE
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| 00:34:25 |
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LOOK AT BILL AND IT WAS LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT. HE MADE A BUNCH OF FRIENDS UP THERE. AND I'LL TELL YOU HOW GOOD IT WAS. HE WAS THEIR NEXT YEAR'S SPEAKER....
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| 00:34:56 |
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ROOMMATES. >> DID YOU FEEL LIKE IT WAS LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT, WHEN YOU WERE IN WICHITA FALLS WITH ALL THOSE FORMER AMERICAN SOLDIERS? >> OVER
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| 00:35:08 |
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THIS, I WAS KIND OF
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| 00:35:23 |
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APPREHENSIVE. SHAKE THE HAND AND MY THINKING WILL CHANGE AND -- GETTING BACK TO KIND OF THE WARTIME EXPERIENCE WITH ALL THESE WONDERFUL VETERANS, SO...
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| 00:36:38 |
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PEOPLE, SOLDIERS, WERE PICK SPECIALLY TO BE BAD PEOPLE. THEY ENJOYED TORTURING PEOPLE -- CAN BE TIED IN THE 19. SO I'LL SAY THIS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION....
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| 00:37:25 |
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THE UNITED STATES IN 1953. YOU BECAME -- HUE DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AFTER YOUR EXPERIENCE IN WORLD WAR II? >> WE ALWAYS THOUGHT...
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| 00:37:57 |
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THIS COUNTRY, I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. FIRST TIME I CAME TO TEXAS, FAMOUS FOR COWBOY AND INDIAN. THE COWBOY HAD THE SIX SHOOTER. >> SO, YOU...
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| 00:38:28 |
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COUNTRY. BUT TO ME, THIS COUNTRY, AND NOW, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE AND I LIKE IT AND THIS IS MY COUNTRY. >> THIS IS YOUR COUNTRY. >> YES. >> ON BEHALF...
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| 00:39:01 |
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YOUR PRODUCTIVE LIVES AFTER LEAVING THE SERVICE. AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID AND DONE IS TRULY INSPIRATIONAL TO ALL OF US. LET'S GIVE A BIG HAND...
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| 00:39:47 |
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YOU TO COME BACK. WE JUST HAVE A SMALL TOKEN OF OUR APPRECIATION. TOMMY. TOMMY, THIS IS FOR YOU FOR DOING SUCH AN EXCELLENT JOB AND FOR BEING OUR MODERATOR...
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| 00:41:56 |
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SOCIETY IN FORTH WORTH. 67 YEARS AGO WHEN PEACE WAS DECLARED. AND LET US NOT FORGET, THE FRENCH WHO'S A FIGHT MUSEUM. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, JUST...
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| 00:43:39 |
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READY? (music) GOD BLESS AMERICA LAND THAT I LOVE STAND BESIDE HER AND GUIDE HER THROUGH THE NIGHT WITH THE LIGHT FROM ABOVE (music) (music) FROM THE...
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