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00:03:36
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AND WRITING AND THESE BOOKS DON'T JUST COME OUT OF THE IMAGINATION OF TALENTED WRITERS, THAT INSTITUTIONS AS WELL AS --. >> THE SMITHSONIAN ALSO HELP...
00:03:59
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ENORMOUSLY HELPFUL. >> RACHEL KNOWS AND I KNOW SHE DIDN'T -- THE SCHAUMBERG BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE A SHAMELESS PLUG FOR IT. [LAUGHTER]
00:04:11
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OUR SENIOR RESEARCHER AND WRITER WHO INTRODUCED US, CHRISTOPHER MOORE, WROTE A BOOK AND IT WAS ENTITLED FIGHTING FOR AMERICA, THE UNSUNG HERO OF WORLD...
00:05:17
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OF WHAT I DO IS -- WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE WHITE ANCESTOR HITTING IN THE FAMILY TREE AS WELL AS THE STORY OF SO MANY GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE WHO EMERGE...
00:06:30
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THE STORY, PERHAPS YOUR OWN WAY OF EASING THE READER INTO THAT MOMENT, THIS MOMENT OF -- THESE TERRIBLE MOMENTS THAT ARE UNFOLDING LEGACIES THAT BEGAN...
00:07:56
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THEIR HEADS ABOUT WHAT THIS KIND OF SITUATION MIGHT BE LIKE. FOR MICHELE OBAMA'S FAMILY, IT WAS QUITE DIFFERENT AND A LOT OF WAYS, BUT I THINK IN SOME...
00:08:25
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I THINK IT'S THE IDEA OF
00:08:28
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A YOUNG GIRL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 14, 15, 16 BEING RAPED BY HER -- SOMEONE IN HER OWNER'S FAMILY. THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T...
00:10:11
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DISTANT COUSINS, ONE BLACK WOMAN AND ONE WHITE WOMAN, WHO DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE RELATED, BUT AS A RESULT OF YOUR RESEARCH AND REACHING OUT TO THEM, THEY...
00:10:39
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BOOK WAS ABOUT IS THE SWEEP OF AMERICAN HISTORY FOR ONE FAMILY, AND I LIKED THE IDEA OF MODERN-DAY PEOPLE GRAPPLING WITH THAT. THESE TWO WOMEN I BASICALLY...
00:11:41
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AND BRAVE? >> DESHIELDS FAMILY BEING THE LINEAGE REPRESENTED BY THE FORMER SLAVEOWNER? >> THERE WERE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THE
00:11:52
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RESEARCH. SOME PEOPLE REALLY WANTED TO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT,
00:11:56
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AND SOME PEOPLE WERE OPEN TO -- IT INTRIGUED A BIT BUT NOT WANTING TO SEE IT PUBLIC AND THEN THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE JUST, THIS IS HISTORY,...
00:13:12
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OF WHICH ARE IN MANY WAYS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DISINVESTMENT IN THE HUMANITY AND DISINVESTMENT OF THE ARTS IN FAVOR OF COMMERCE, IN FAVOR OF SCIENCE...
00:14:22
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HER FAMILY WAS OF THE AMERICAN STORY, AND I WANTED VERY MUCH TO HIM DO IT WITH THE HISTORY, SO THAT PEOPLE COULD SEE THAT HER FAMILY HAD FRONT ROW SEATS...
00:15:12
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PUT IN CONTEXT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT MAKE UP HER FAMILY TREE AND SOME OF WHOM WE SEE SCROLLING BEHIND US, BUT IT STRIKES ME IN THE WRITING OF THE BOOK...
00:15:59
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BECOMES SOMETHING ELSE. ONE
00:16:00
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OF THE THINGS ACTUALLY AS A PRACTICAL MATTER AS A WRITER WHICH BECAME CLEAR TO ME WAS THAT WHEN YOU ARE DIGGING BACK THIS FAR, YOU DON'T HAVE THE VOICES...
00:16:57
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DID MAKE LIGHT OF THE
00:16:59
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FACT THAT YOU ARE HEAVY ON THE CONDITIONAL TONE, AND I WONDERED IF THAT WAS
00:17:04
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SOMETHING YOU WERE CONSCIOUS OF, THE SENSE OF SPECULATIVE PROSE, MAYBE THIS HAPPENED, PERHAPS, IT SEEMS THAT, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. ALL OF THOSE TURNS...
00:17:37
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I AM A JOURNALIST AND ACTUALLY WHEN YOU ARE WRITING A BOOK, IT'S QUITE DIFFERENT FROM WRITING A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE AND YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO AT ALMOST...
00:18:49
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AND NOT A SOCIAL SCIENCE REPORT. VERY FEW STATISTICS. YOU HAVE SOME THINGS ABOUT THE MIGRATION IN CHICAGO IN OTHER PLACES BUT THAT IS WHAT MAKES THE...
00:19:36
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A JOURNALIST YOU THINK OF CODE NO, THEY SAID THAT AND IT WASN'T THIS WAY. ONE OF MY FAVORITE INSTANCES OF THIS WAS MICHELE OBAMA'S GREAT-GRANDMOTHER...
00:20:56
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AND I WANT TO READ IT FIRST OF ALL BECAUSE IT REFLECTS HOW BEAUTIFUL THE PROSE IS IN THE BOOK, BUT IT IS -- WILL BELIEVE THIS BOOK MATCHES THE ADVANCED...
00:23:48
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SHARE WITH THE DEPENDENT. >> IT WAS HARD. IT WAS HARD TO SHARE WITH THE DEFENDANTS, YEAH. >> HE ULTIMATELY WENT BACK HOME. >> HE
00:23:58
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DID. HE ULTIMATELY WENT BACK HOME THEN HE REJOINED HIS FAMILY AS IF HE HAD NEVER LEFT. [LAUGHTER]
00:24:04
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HIS SON TOLD
00:24:05
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ME, WELL HE CAME BACK FROM THE THAT WAR ANY KIND OF HAD A LITTLE BIT OF FEAR. THE WORLD WAR II, YEARS OF INTEGRATION A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN ONE DAY...
00:24:36
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JOHNSON, PARNELL SHIELDS AND -- CALLED HIM AND TO NAMES BECAUSE SHE WAS RAISED BY HER AUNT AND UNCLE RATHER THAN HER PARENTS. WHAT WAS SO EXCITING ABOUT...
00:25:08
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WAS
00:25:10
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ALL HAPPENING, AND YOU KNOW REALLY IT WAS ONE OF THOSE EGG CITIES WHERE PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO GO TO. ONE
00:25:17
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OF THE MOST FASCINATING RECORD SOURCES I FOUND WERE THESE LETTERS OF MIGRANTS THAT ONE OF THE JOURNALS COLLECTED. PEOPLE IN THE 1900'S WHO ARE LOOKING...
00:26:46
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HOW IMPORTANT IT IS POSTED IN HISTORY, THE CULTURAL HISTORY OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS AS WELL AS THE LYRICAL HISTORY, IT IS SORT OF IMAGINED IN THE WORLD...
00:27:33
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HUGHES WANDERING THROUGH CHICAGO, OR LOUIS ARMSTRONG AND HIS FIRST STAGE PLAYING THERE. A LOT OF IMPORTANT PEOPLE WERE GOING THROUGH CHICAGO THEN....
00:27:52
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HUGHES, THIS AUDITORIUM WE ARE IN IS NAMED FOR LANGSTON HUGHES AND HE CERTAINLY SPENT MANY MANY YEARS HERE AT THE SCHAUMBERG LIBRARIES DOING RESEARCH...
00:30:27
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PARK AND THAT WAS A BIG DEAL. SHE LIVED NOT FAR FROM WHERE THE OBAMAS LIVE TODAY, AND SOMEONE HAD RECOMMENDED TO ME THE CHICAGO COMMISSION STUDY OF...
00:31:05
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NOW EXACT WAY HOW MANY THERE
00:31:10
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WERE. >> ABOUT 58. >> THESE BOMBINGS BEGAN BEFORE AND CONTINUED AFTER, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW -- >> THERE IS CLAN ACTIVITY
00:31:19
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IN HIDE
00:31:20
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PART. >> IT WAS A THE REALLY STRIKING TIME. IT WAS THE FIRST I KNEW ABOUT THE RIOTS BUT I DIDN'T
00:31:26
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KNOW ABOUT THAT, AND
00:31:29
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IN TALKING TO MRS. OBAMA'S RELATIVES, LEARNED THAT PHOEBE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT, THAT WHEN THE VIOLENCE OF THE RIOTS WERE SWEEPING THE CITY, SHE WAS UP...
00:32:15
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RECONSTRUCTION VIOLENCE THAT YOU DESCRIBE, I WON'T SAY THAT YOU ARE KNOWN BUT CERTAINLY ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE AT THAT POINT. A "NEW YORK TIMES" REVIEWER...
00:33:01
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AND SAID IT'S BEST FOR ME WHEN LOOKING BACK ON THIS AND I ASKED THEM, HOW DID THEY GET BY? AND SHE SAID, THEIR AMERICAN DREAM WAS TO DREAM A LITTLE AT...
00:33:59
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OWNERS. AND THERE IS A COLLEGE PRESIDENT. >> THERE IS A COLLEGE PRESIDENT. >> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. >> ILLITERATE NON-PROPERTY OWNING COLLEGE PRESIDENT.
00:34:11
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IS THAT RIGHT? >> NO, NO. PART OF IT IS
00:34:14
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00:34:16
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TRUE. OBVIOUSLY ALL OF WHAT IS DESCRIBED AS TRUE, BUT I THINK THERE
00:34:19
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WAS A LOT MORE. I DON'T THINK THAT -- I DIDN'T COME AWAY FEELING WORN DOWN BY THE BLEAKNESS OF IT. I FOUND IT INSPIRING THAT PEOPLE MADE THEIR LIVES...
00:34:45
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THE COMPLEXITY, RIGHT, BECAUSE IN A PASSAGE LIKE THAT IN 750 WORD LOOK REVIEW, WE GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS IS A KIND OF THE USUAL STORY WHICH IS...
00:36:16
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REALLY PART OF THE RICHNESS OF LIFE, EVEN IN OUR DAY-TO-DAY LIVES. AND I REALLY WANTED TO CAPTURE THAT, AND TO TELL A STORY THAT WAS SWEEPING AND...
00:36:55
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HIS NAME OUT LOUD BECAUSE HE'S QUITE A CHARACTER. GO FORWARD ONE. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. SO ADOLPH IS THEODORE SHIELDS. ADOLPHUS THEODORE SHIELDS, HIS...
00:37:26
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WAS AND HOW HE WAS RECEIVED IN PERCEIVED IN THE WORLD BUT ALSO KIND OF A PERFECT ILLUSTRATION OF A PERSON WHO LITERALLY CAME OF AGE, BORN IN 1859, IS...
00:37:51
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THEIR RACE, AND HE GOES ON TO DO AMAZING THINGS, PRECISELY OUT OF HIS OPPORTUNITY BUT THERE IS A LOT OF -- THERE IS A LOT THAT ISN'T CLEAR IN THAT MOMENT...
00:40:19
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WE THINK ABOUT BIRMINGHAM AS THE MOST REPRESENTATIVE BUT THE OFFICE, WHEN HE FIRST APPEARS AS A HOMEOWNER, HAD WHITE NEIGHBORS AND IT WASN'T UNCOMMON...
00:40:50
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FACT BETWEEN YOU AND
00:40:55
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MEGHAN. >> MEGHAN
00:41:01
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FOUND DOLPHUS. >> HE REALLY IS AN AMAZING CHARACTER AND ONE OF THE MOST DISTANT RELATIVES
00:41:09
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THAT IS AN AMAZING STORY LEGACY BUT YOU
00:41:11
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ALSO FIND PEOPLE YOU INTERVIEW WHO KNEW SUBLIVE AND ALSO MEL PHENIA SO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU LEARNED, HOW YOU WERE ABLE TO WRITE ABOUT HER...
00:41:32
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1844 AND I FOUND TWO PEOPLE WHO KNEW HER, WHICH IS EVEN NOW REMARKABLE. AND THE REASON WHY THAT WAS POSSIBLE IS THAT SHE LIVED AN EXTRAORDINARILY...
00:42:50
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FATHERS OF
00:42:52
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THESE CLEARLY VERY LIGHT CHILDREN OF THIS DARK WOMAN WERE AND HOW NO ONE ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS. >> I WONDERED, IN BOTH DOLPHUS' NARRATIVE AND YOUR DESCRIPTION...
00:43:10
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THE HISTORY OF THE WAY THAT SKIN COLOR MATTERED, I WONDERED IF THERE WAS A FORM OF RACIAL PROFILING IN THAT PERIOD, AND HERE I DON'T MEAN IN THE SENSE...
00:44:58
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WHAT HAD HAPPENED BASED ON WHAT DOLPHUS LOOKED LIKE. PART OF THE REASON PERHAPS THAT THEY DIDN'T ASK WAS BECAUSE, IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT SOMEONE WHO...
00:46:01
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WAS IDENTIFIED AS MIXED-RACE OR MULLATO IS THE TERM OF THE TIME PERIOD. IT JUST MADE ME WONDER TO WHAT EXTENT THEY KNEW BETTER THAT HERE WE ARE AT...
00:48:43
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OBAMA'S ANCESTORS VOTING RECORDS. ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT WAS WHETHER I COULD FIND OUT WHO WAS THE FIRST PERSON IN HER FAMILY TO VOTE?...
00:50:09
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WE THINK OF THE MOMENT WE ARE IN, WHATEVER THE FIRST FAMILY REPRESENTS IN TERMS OF MOVING PAST THE RACIAL DIVIDE OF THE 20th CENTURY, AND EVERYONE DOESN'T...
00:51:19
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THEY COULD, THEY WERE STRIVING. I'VE SAID TOO MUCH ABOUT STRIVING TOO. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SAID BUT I THINK THAT PEOPLE TOOK THE SPACE...
00:51:48
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SO WE HAVE A SLIDE, IT GOES TO MAYBE 12 OR 13. SO MARY, PHOEBE'S OTHER, IS BORN IN SOMETHING LIKE 1835, 1836. THIS BY THE WAY IS JOEL BRADY AND JOHN...
00:55:05
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MANY, AND I THINK I AM A COMMUNICATOR AND A WRITER, SO MAYBE I PUT TOO MUCH EMPHASIS AND HOPE IN DIALOGUE, BUT I DO THINK TALKING ABOUT IT HELPS IN...
00:55:38
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YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY BUT NOW IT'S YOUR TURN SO ANYONE WHO HAS A QUESTION OR A COMMENT, PLEASE DON'T -- SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING,...
00:56:30
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IS TRULY AN HONOR AND PERSONAL CONGRATULATIONS. I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SAY THAT PERSONALLY TO YOU, DOCTOR, ON
00:56:36
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YOUR
00:56:38
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POSITION HERE. I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT QUESTION. >> OF COURSE. >> YES THIS IS REALLY TAKING ME TO ANOTHER LEVEL WHERE I CAN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT...
00:56:56
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CALM DOWN ABOUT OF A LOT OF
00:56:57
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THE STUFF THAT IS HAPPENING TODAY FROM YESTERDAY. I STAY AT THE FRANKLIN SHELTER IN THE BRONX, AND IF I DON'T GET BACK IN TOWN I'M GOING TO LOSE MY...
00:58:11
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OF ALL THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANK YOU FOR COMING I WOULD SAY. [APPLAUSE]
00:58:18
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AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE, BUT I DON'T KNOW. >> I WOULD JUST SAY WE LIVE IN A PUNITIVE SOCIETY, AND THE INCENTIVE TO CHANGE THAT SOCIETY RUNS...
00:58:32
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BEING ABLE TO EMBRACE AND WRESTLE WITH THE ORIGINS OF INEQUALITY. SO, IF YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE GET WHAT THEY DESERVE, IF YOU THINK POVERTY IS TRULY...
01:01:16
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BEEN VIGOROUSLY LOOKING INTO THESE INSTANCES. I FEEL LIKE LOOKING BACK INTO HISTORY IS USEFUL. I THINK WE OFTEN THINK ABOUT THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT...
01:02:02
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FOR A THIRD RECONSTRUCTION. BUT PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THE BACKSLIDING THAT IS UNFOLDING AS WE SPEAK. >> OF WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WRITING THE BOOK. I...
01:02:22
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SECOND ONE. AND IN THAT BOOK HE SAYS THAT THERE WAS A LAW THAT NO ONE COULD SAY IF THE SLAVE MASTER HAD RAPED AN AFRICAN WOMAN. I'M WONDERING IF...
01:03:17
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QUESTION. YOU KNOW, -- >> I WANTED TO GO BACK TO YOUR HISTORICAL QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT. I DO KNOW THAT IT WAS NOT CONSIDERED...
01:03:27
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READ A BLACK WOMAN. THAT I KNOW. I HAD NOT HEARD ABOUT THAT. AND THE PROMISE OF THE BOOK REALLY WAS TO TELL THE STORY OF THE FIRST LADY'S FAMILY AND...
01:03:56
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HARRY COLE. I AM SO HAPPY TO BE HERE
01:03:58
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TO LEARN ABOUT YOUR BOOK. I LEARNED FROM DON
01:04:02
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01:04:03
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DAVIS. [INAUDIBLE] AND I HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE OF WORKING IN A ROLE AT EBONY WHEN THE OBAMA'S DECIDED TO STEP INTO THE RACE. AND AT THE POINT AT WHICH...
01:05:33
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YORK TIMES. THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT SHE HAD HEARD OF THEM ARE MOTHER. SHE AND HER FAMILY HAD LONG KNOWN OR SUSPECTED THAT THERE WAS ANCESTRY. THAT...
01:06:06
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YOU, AGAIN, FOR THE RIDING OF THE BOOK AND A QUICK
01:06:13
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COMMENT THE EVIDENCE WOULD SUGGEST, EVIDENCE THAT I WOULD REFER TO, THE LAWS THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS AGAINST MIXED MARRIAGES, IF YOU WELL, WOULD SUGGEST...
01:06:57
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THAT WERE REAL RELATIONSHIPS AS IN PEOPLE LIVING AS HAS BEEN AND WIFE AND EVEN WHITE MAN TRYING TO PASS ON PROPERTY AND POSSESSIONS TO FAMILY AND STRUGGLING...
01:07:39
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BELIEVE, A 1670 LAW IN VIRGINIA TO PREVENT COHABITATION BETWEEN A MAN OF AFRICAN DESCENT AND WOMEN OF EUROPEAN DESCENT PRECISELY BECAUSE THE FUTURE...
01:09:00
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YOUR VOICE. IT WON'T HEAR YOU IF WE ARE NOT AT A MICROPHONE, WE WILL TAKE THE
01:09:04
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QUESTION. >> DO YOU KNOW MICHELE OBAMA -- [INAUDIBLE] >> OF REPEAT THE QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW IF MICHELE OBAMA EVER MET THE TWO
01:09:17
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WOMEN
01:09:21
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BEFORE? >> NO, TALKING ABOUT MILLENNIA, THE TWO PEOPLE. THERE WAS A MAN -- THE QUESTION WAS, AS MICHELE OBAMA OR DID SHE EVER MEET
01:09:32
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THE TWO PEOPLE HAVE A NEW MILLENNIUM? DID SHE MEET IN A FORK SHE DIED, AND SHE DID NOT. >> I WANT TO FOLLOW-UP ON THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED EARLIER....
01:09:48
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TO THIS BOOK? PRESS ACCOUNTS, HER POSITION ON THE WRITING OF THIS BOOK WHICH HAS BEEN A VERY PUBLIC THING, THE NEW YORK TIMES SAYS TO BEHIND IT. ...
01:10:43
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NOT PARTICIPATING IN BUCKS, AND THAT IS A BUY A POLICY WHICH IS SAD FOR ALL OF US WHO ARE WRITING THEM. DURING THE PROCESS I MET WITH MEMBERS OF FOR...
01:11:18
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