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HOST: FATIMA GOSS GRAVES IS THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR EDUCATION
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AND EMPLOYMENT AT THE NATIONAL WOMEN'S LAW CENTER AND IS HERE TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY
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Harleston, Robb - Host
OF TITLE 9 AND HOW IT HAS IMPACTED THE INVOLVEMENT OF WOMEN IN SPORTS AND EDUCATION. WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM. FOR THOSE OF US WHO WERE NOT AROUND, WHAT...
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
ALL -- THAT IS IN ALL EDUCATION PROGRAMS. ATHLETICS. CLASSROOMS HOST: YOU MENTIONED THE ATHLETIC PROGRAMS AND MORE OF THE SPORTS ILLUSTRATED ARTICLE...
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
TITLE MINE, THERE WERE QUOTAS. WOMEN WERE CAST. NOW, THEY MAKE UP HALF OF THOSE GOING TO LAW SCHOOL AND BUSINESS SCHOOL. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SEEN A GREAT...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
IS THAT WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THESE
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
NON--- NON-TRADITIONAL FIELDS. IN COMPUTER SCIENCE, SINCE THE NUMBERS HAVE GONE DOWN IN AN IMPORTANT AREA, NOT JUST FOR WOMEN, BUT FOR EVERY ONE END...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
SHOW UNDER THE TITLE, WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY. HOST: YOUR THOUGHTS? GUEST: WE HAVE SEEN GREAT EXPANSIONS FOR WOMEN
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Harleston, Robb - Host
IN THE CLASSROOMS, PARTICULARLY IN THESE PROFESSIONAL SETTINGS. THAT HAS
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
BEEN HUGELY IMPORTANT FOR WOMEN COMIC HUGELY IMPORTANT FOR THEIR ECONOMIC SECURITY. -- THAT HAS BEEN HUGELY IMPORTANT FOR WOMEN, A HUGELY IMPORTANT FOR...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO." HOST: WITH ALL OF THIS HISTORY OF TITLE 9 BEHIND US, WHY IS THAT GAP STILL SO BIG? GUEST: THE STUDY
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Harleston, Robb - Host
SHOWED THAT WHEN GIRLS TAKE THESE COURSES, THEY OFTEN GET HIGHER GRADES BUT
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
SOMETIMES, STEREOTYPING GOES ON. THERE ARE THESE OUTDATED NOTIONS THAT STILL REMAINED YOUNG WOMEN WILL NOT BE GOOD IN SCIENCE. THERE HAVE BEEN STUDIES...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
PICK UP THE PHONE AND GIVE US A CALL. 202-737-0002, REPUBLICAN. 202-737-0001, DEMOCRAT. 202-628-0205, INDEPENDENTS. WE WILL ALSO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS OR...
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LADY TALKED AND I AM AMAZED BY HOW THESE YOUNG LADIES CAN BE SO INTELLIGENT AND HAVE SUCH GREAT, GREAT COMMENTS AND HAVE GREAT INSIGHT INTO THESE THINGS....
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IS GREAT. I THINK THAT IT SHOWS HER INTEREST LIES IN THE SCIENCE FIELD, THAT IS WHERE SHE
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
SHOULD BE. HOST: OUR NEXT CALL IS FROM ANNAPOLIS, MARYLAND. CALLER: I AM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
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Harleston, Robb - Host
I JUST WANTED TO
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SAY, AS LONG AS REGULATIONS ARE PROPERLY SAW OUT ENDING FERMENTED -- AND IMPLEMENTED, THE BENEFITS CAN BE HUGE. TITLE 9 HASHEM THE BENEFITS IN THE LAST...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
HAPPENS, SOMETIMES, IS THAT PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. THERE ARE A FEW AREAS WHERE THE ENFORCEMENT HAS NOT BEEN AS FOCUSED. WE WOULD REALLY LIKE...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DAVID FOX. MY BIGGEST ISSUE -- TITLE 9 HAS BEEN GREAT FOR K THROUGH 12 EDUCATION
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FOR GIRLS. AT THE UNIVERSITY LEVEL, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT HAS BEEN MISAPPROPRIATED A LITTLE BIT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL PLAYERS, WE...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
SEE THEM BE SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR ATHLETICS AND AS STUDENTS, AS WELL.
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
IT IS NOT ONLY THE FAULT OF THE WOMEN, BUT IT'S NOT TITLE 9. THAT IS A FLEXIBLE STATUTE. IT ALLOWS UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES TO SET UP THEIR ATHLETIC...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
FAR FROM EQUAL UNDER TITLE 9." HOST: YOUR THOUGHTS? GUEST: THERE IS A REAL CONCERN WHEN WE LOOK AT,
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Harleston, Robb - Host
PARTICULARLY AT A HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL, AT THE DATA OF YOUNG
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
GIRLS WITH COLLEGE SPORTS PARTICIPATION. ALTHOUGH THERE IS A GAP BETWEEN YOUNG GIRLS AND BOYS IN TERMS OF SPORTS PARTICIPATION, THERE IS ALSO A GAP BETWEEN...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
OF THE FIRST E-MAILS IN THE MILITARY ACADEMY. I WANT TO HEAR WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY AND THEN GET REACTION. [VIDEO CLIP] >> IN 1976 WHEN I WAS A JUNIOR ...
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TIME. IN 1978, I ENTERED THE COAST GUARD ACADEMY AS A MEMBER OF JUST THE THIRD CLASS OF WOMEN. ALTHOUGH THE ACADEMY'S SCIENCE TECHNOLOGY AND MATH MAJORS...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
GUEST: WELL, YOU KNOW, THE WAY TIE LINE PLAYED A ROLE THERE WAS BECAUSE -- TITLE 9 PLAYED A ROLE THERE
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
WAS A CULTURAL SHIFT. AFTER TITLE 9, WOMEN ENTERED LOTS OF DIFFERENT COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, PLAYING SPORTS, AND TRANG FIELDS THEY HAD NOT BEEN BEFORE...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
THANK YOU FOR BEING AN OUTSTANDING SPOKESPERSON FOR THIS ISSUE. THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE THE GOVERNMENT REALLY GOT IT RIGHT.
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WHERE WOULD OUR SOCIETY WITHOUT TITLE 9? I HAVE BEEN ON THE FRONT LINES. I CAN REALLY SEE THE IMPACT TITLE 9 TITLE HAS HAD FOUR YOUNG LADIES -- THAT TITLE...
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
LEADERS, LESS LIKELY TO ENGAGE IN HIGH-RISK BEHAVIOR AND GET PREGNANT, LOWER RATES OF OBESITY. THESE SORTS OF PARTICIPATIONS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. HOST:...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
CALLER:I I T HINK TITLE 9 IS WONDERFUL. IT IS IMPORTANT NOT JUST THAT WE HAVE
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
LEGAL RIGHTS TO EQUALITY BUT PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER, LIKE MY MOTHER DID, YOU NEED TO ENCOURAGE YOUR DAUGHTERS DO BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN BECOME ANYTHING...
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
BEING ENCOURAGED AT HOME WHEN THEY GO INTO THE SCHOOL HOUSE DOOR, THAT THERE ARE NOT BARRIERS THAT PREVENT THEM FROM FULFILLING THEIR DREAMS. HOST: REPUBLICANS...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
IS THERE SUCH A THING AS DISCRIMINATION
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AGAINST WHITE WOMEN UNDER TITLE 9? IF SO, CAN YOU CITE ANY EXAMPLES? HOST: WHAT MAKES YOU ASK THAT QUESTION? CALLER:
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BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE FOCUS IS ON MINORITIES. HOST: OKAY. GUEST: WELL,
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I BEGAN WITH THE FACT THAT TITLE 9 IS A
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Harleston, Robb - Host
STATUTE THAT PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SEX. IT
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
IS A GENDER-NEUTRAL STATUTE. IF MEN EXPERIENCE DISCRIMINATION AND WOMEN EXPERIENCED DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SEX, IT COVERS EVERYONE. IT COVERS EVERYONE...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
TURNING 40, AS WELL. IT ADVOCATES
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
FOR POLICIES IN EVERY ASPECT OF WOMEN'S LIVES. FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES. IT IS MARY'S EDUCATION, HEALTH, ECONOMIC SECURITY. -- IT MARRIES EDUCATION,...
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
WE USE THE LAW AND ALL OF ITS FORMS. WE HAVE
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
INTAKE AND EVIL HAVE ANY TYPE OF CONCERN, THEY CAN FIND US THROUGH OUR WEB SITE, WHICH IS WWW.NWLC.ORG. WILL PROVIDE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. WE WEIGH IN...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
YOU. I GUESS I GO TO SCHOOL IN A LOCAL AREA
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FOR NEW YORK CITY. ONE THING I HAVE NOTICED -- I AM TAKING A COMPUTER SCIENCE COURSE. THEY ARE DOMINATED BY MEN. I WAS WONDERING IF MAYBE THAT HAD TO...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
CULTURE PLAYS A ROLE. BUT, THERE ARE A RANGE OF FACTORS. I
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
THINK WHAT IS INTERESTING, PARTICULARLY ABOUT NON- TRADITIONAL COURSES LIKE COMPUTER SCIENCE, WHERE THE WAGES PEOPLE CAN TURN UPON COMPLETING THOSE TYPES...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
ORGANIZATION, HOW MANY COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES HAVE BEEN
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THREATENED WITH LAWSUITS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE THE STATISTICAL MAKE UP TO HAVE ENOUGH WOMEN PARTICIPATING IN SPORTS AND THEY HAD TO CANCEL MAN SPORTS...
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
ENDS UP CUTTING MEN'S SPORTS. FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS, THERE HAS BEEN GROWTH IN WOMEN'S SPORTS PARTICIPATION, BUT ALSO A GROWTH IN MEN'S SPORTS PARTICIPATION....
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Harleston, Robb - Host
DARK LEGACY." IT TALKS ABOUT THE TRACK PROGRAM AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND, COACHED BY AN OLYMPIC GOLD MEDAL WINNER. HE IS COACHING THE TRACK TEAM...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
THE BUDGET PRESSURES, PARTICULARLY WITH STATE RUN SCHOOLS,
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
ARE PROBABLY VERY REAL. THEY'RE HAVING TO MAKE HARD CHOICES. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY CANNOT DO FOLLOWING TITLE IX IS TO SAY THAT YOUNG WOMEN ARE ALWAYS...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
BECAUSE THE PERCENTAGES DO NOT ADD UP? THERE IS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF MEN ON CAMPUS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN A VARSITY SPORT, AND THERE HAS TO BE...
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
BETWEEN STUDENTS AND THOSE WHO ARE POOR DISSIPATING IN SPORTS -- PER DISSIPATING IN SPORTS IS SIMILAR. THEY CAN ALSO SHOW THERE HAS BEEN A HISTORY OF...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
REVENUE SO THAT THERE SHOULD BE A GREATER CONSIDERATION FOR MEN'S SPORTS SEDAN WOMEN BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES MAKING THE MONEY-- MEN'S SPRTS THAN --...
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
EVEN IF THAT WERE THE CASE, EVEN IF IN THE 5 TO 10 TOP TIER SCHOOLS WHERE FOOTBALL OR BASKETBALL GENERATE CERTAIN REVENUE, THAT WOULD NOT JUSTIFY NOT...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
THHAVE ABOUT ANOTHER 10 MINUTES. CONN. DEMOCRATS. THE WAR ON. CA-- YOU AN ON. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. YOU ENLIGHTENED PEOPLE WITH HIGH SCHOOLS AND COLLEGES...
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BUDGET STRESSED. SOME SPORTS ACTIVITIES ARE CANCELED. SENSE TITLE IX -- SINCE TITLE IX IS A FEDERAL MANDATE, CAN THEY COME IN AND HELP THE BUDGET STRESSED...
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
POSSIBLE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION TO GIVE MONEY TO EDUCATION PROGRAMS OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SPORTS IN PARTICULAR? HOST: HE IS GONE. GUEST:...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
OF EDUCATION -- THERE ARE FUNDS THAT GO TO HIGH
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
SCHOOLS AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. THERE ARE FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT GO TO COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES. I THINK IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT FOUR SCHOOLS THAT ARE...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
TO GIVE A VERBAL HIGH FIVE TO TITLE
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IX. I HAVE TAUGHT IN OUR LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLS SINCE 1974. MY DAUGHTER WAS A SOPHOMORE AT THE TIME. SHE WAS JUST GETTING ACQUAINTED WITH TITLE IX AND ASKED...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
YOUR DAUGHTER RUN IN COLLEGE? GUEST: NO,
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
SHE WENT TO COLLEGE. -- CALLER:
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Harleston, Robb - Host
NO, SHE WENT TO COLLEGE AND HAD
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
THOUGHTS OF DOUBLE MAJOR IING. SHE WANTED TO BE A TRACK COACH AND A SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHER. I SAID, WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT COMBINATION?...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
ARE ONE OF THE GREATEST SUPPORTERS OF TITLE IX. MY
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
DAD IS. HE HAD THREE GIRLS AND WAS AN ATHLETE. THEY WANT THEIR YOUNG WOMEN TO HAVE THE SAME CHANCES TO PLAY THAT THEY DID. AND THAT THERE BOYS DO. HOST:...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
MY CALL. I WAS A COACH BEFORE AND AFTER TITLE IX.
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ONE OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF HAVING TITLE IX WAS THAT MORE MINORITIES GOT A CHANCE TO PLAY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT TEAMS IN THE 1960'S, THEY WERE ALL OF ONE RACE....
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Harleston, Robb - Host
I GREW UP SEEING HOW SOME OF THE STEREOTYPES ABOUT WHAT GIRLS
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WERE SUPPOSED TO DO AND NOT SUPPOSED TO DO. I NOTICED EARLIER IN THE PROGRAM YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WAY GIRLS ARE SCARED OUT OF SCIENCE AND MATH....
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Harleston, Robb - Host
STEREOTYPES FOR YOUNG WOMEN. UNFORTUNATELY,
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
THEY CONTINUE TO PERMEATE. THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS -- THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE TAKING STEPS TO DO THINGS TO OVERCOME THOSE STEREOTYPES. AND INSURING...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
ARE GOING TO SPORTS, ALSO. MEN HAVE BEEN IN SPORTS FOR A
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LONG TIME. WOMEN ARE COMING INTO SPORTS. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING -- ARE MEN CUT IN ORDER FOR WOMEN TO ACHIEVE WHAT THEY NEED IN THE SPORTS FIELD? GUEST:...
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
THE DECISION TO CUT MEN'S SPORTS IN ORDER TO HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MALE ATHLETIC PROGRAM. ATHLETICS IS AN AREA THAT IS LARGELY ALL MALE OR FEMALE....
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Harleston, Robb - Host
PARTICIPATION THAT SCHOOLS LIKE THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND, THAT HAS HAD A VERY PRESTIGIOUS MEN'S TRACK AND FIELD PROGRAM FOR MANY DECADES, JUST DOES...
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
MEN'S SPORTS, THE DECISION IS SOMETIMES MADE THAT THEY ARE NOT GENERATING THE SORT OF REVENUE THAT THEY NEED. I DO NOT THINK THAT IS ACTUALLY WHAT IS...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
ABOUT HALF OF THE STATES THAT HAVE NO EMPLOYEE DESIGNATED TO COORDINATE EFFORTS TO COMPLY WITH TITLE IX, DESPITE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS THAT AN EMPLOYEE...
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
OR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT ROLE HAVE NO IDEA THEY HAVE IT. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN INFORMED THAT THAT IS THE ROLE. WHAT I URGE PEOPLE TO DO IS TO ASK THEIR...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
HOST: GO AHEAD. PLEASE DO TO OUR TELEVISION. --
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NEW YORK TELEVISION. CALLER:
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Harleston, Robb - Host
I'M CALLING FROM NEW YORK. THIS IS THE SAME OLD PROBLEM OVER AND OVER. WE HAVE TO ENACT MORE
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LEGISLATION, OR THIS, MORE THAT. YOU NEVER ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT LAWSUITS. NUMBER TWO, ARE THERE NOT CHOICES ABOUT WHERE YOU WANT TO GO? HOST:...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
FATIMA GOSS GRAVES, YOU GET THE LAST WORD. GUEST: TITLE
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CALLER, -
IX IS FOUR DECADES OLD.
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Harleston, Robb - Host
AFTER 40 YEARS, MY EXPECTATION IS THAT SCHOOLS SHOULD REALLY KNOW WHAT IS ABOUT. TO
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Graves, Fatima Goss - Senior Counsel
THE EXTENT THEY DON'T, I THINK IT IS TIME TO MOVE THE BALL FORWARD. IN DOING SO, I THINK ENFORCEMENT IS ONE REALLY IMPORTANT TOOL. WHETHER IT IS FILING...
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Harleston, Robb - Host
BEEN TALKING TO US ON THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF TITLE IX. WE WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT IS COMING UP ON TOMORROW'S "WASHINGTON JOURNAL." WE BEGIN...
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