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AND EXPLORES EFFORTS THAT INSTITUTED CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION AND SOCIAL REFORM. CBS WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT BOB SCHAEFFER MODERATES THIS PANEL. ...
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PANEL. IT'S SUPPOSED TO FLASH PICTURES UP HERE. THE GUY WITH ALL OF THE HAIR, THAT'S ME. A FEW YEARS AGO, SO I DON'T HAVE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. MAYBE...
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DON'T KNOW. HE SAID, YOU BETTER FIND OUT, YOU'RE MY LAWYER. HE LEFT THE SENATE, STAYED IN THE SENATE IN 1980, HE'S DONE LOTS OF WORK FOR FOOD FOR PEACE....
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OUR, ONE OF OUR COUNTRIES D MOST PROLIFIC AND RESPECTED JOURNALISTS. 35 EMMYS, A 40-YEAR RUN ON PUBLIC BROADCASTING WITH A NEW SERIES THIS YEAR. I THINK...
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TO EVERETT DIRKSEN ABOUT AN EXCISE PROBLEM HE HAS. >> ARE YOU NOT GOING TO BEAT ME ON EXCISE TAXES AND RUIN MY BUDGET THIS YEAR. I'VE GOT A WAYS AND...
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WITH A RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. DON'T BEAT ME ON THAT, NOW, YOU CAN DO IT IF YOU WANT TO. AND YOU CAN RUIN MY BUDGET. BUT IF YOU'RE TRYING...
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TO GET IT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET YOU ALL OUT OF THE BILL ON THE SENATE ON TAXES. PLEASE DON'T PRESS ME ON THAT. >> I GOT TO PRESS IT. >> WELL WHO...
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PRUDENT. >> WELL YOU
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GOT ENOUGH VOTES. >> NO, I HAVEN'T. YOU CAN BEAT ME AND YOU OUGHTANT TO DO IT. AND YOU SEE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO LET ME WIN BY
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ONE VOTE AND I'LL
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CALL YOU BACK IN A LITTLE BIT ON THIS. >> YOU NEVER TALKED THAT WAY WHEN YOU WERE SITTING IN THAT FRONT SEAT. >> I DID. I DID IF MY COUNTRY IS INVOLVED....
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ONE TIME. NO ONE VOTED AGAINST HIM, I CAST A VOTE ON THE FOREIGN AID
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| 00:07:29 |
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AND BROUGHT IT OUT OF COMMITTEE. >> YOU'RE A HARD BARGER. >> NO I'M NOT, YOU JUST TAKE CARE OF ME AND I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO ON THIS AND CALL YOU...
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BACK. >> I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ASK, AT THIS GATHERING HERE OF THIS DISTINGUISHED GROUP. JOE CALIFANO, DO YOU THINK ANYBODY
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| 00:07:52 |
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TALKS ON THE TELEPHONE TO ANYBODY ELSE LIKE THAT IN WASHINGTON TODAY? >> NO. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT ALL. AND IT WAS RARE, IT...
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| 00:08:04 |
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WAS NOBODY TALKING LIKE HIM. >> I -- I JUST REREAD HARRY McPHERSON'S BOOK, HARRY McPHERSON WAS AN AIDE TO LYNDON JOHNSON. IT WAS A WONDERFUL BOOK....
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| 00:08:15 |
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HAS IN THERE AT ONE POINT, HE SAID, LYNDON JOHNSON COULD DELIVER. BECAUSE HE HAD A FIRM WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH REPUBLICAN LEADERS. HE SAID, THE BOLDER,...
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| 00:09:19 |
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HE WAS VIRTUALLY CALLING FOR JOHNSON TO GET OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE, WAS STILL TALKING TO HIM ABOUT FOOD STAMP PROGRAMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I MEAN I...
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| 00:10:33 |
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A LOT OF IT. YOU WERE AGAINST THE WAR, YOU FOUGHT HIM. IT WAS AN EPIC BATTLE.
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| 00:10:39 |
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BUT YET -- HE STILL KEPT A PART OF THAT RELATIONSHIP SORT OF COMPARTMENTALIZED, DIDN'T HE? BECAUSE FRANKLY, HE NEEDED YOU ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. >>...
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| 00:11:00 |
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YEARS. I FINALLY DECIDED THAT THE SENATE IS A GREAT PLACE, BUT ONE SENATOR FROM A SMALL POPULATED STATE LIKE SOUTH DAKOTA, IS NOT GOING TO HAVE...
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| 00:11:34 |
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COULD ARRANGE FOR ME TO SEE THE PRESIDENT. AND WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT IT, TOO LONG, HE SAID, YES, YOU CAN. YOU WANT TO COME TONIGHT ABOUT 7:00. THE...
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| 00:15:39 |
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HIM AND SAID,
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| 00:15:41 |
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WE'D LIKE TO COME DOWN TO TEXAS. AND SEE YOU AND SARGE SHRIVER, WHO WAS ONE OF MY VICE PRESIDENTs, WENT DOWN WITH ME. AND THEY MET US AT THE PLANE. WE...
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| 00:18:06 |
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WALKING. HE WAS, HE WAS, HE NEVER STOPPED. HE WAS CONSUMING IN HIS
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| 00:18:11 |
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PASSIONS AND IN HIS OBJECTIVES AND DEMANDING. BUT HE NEVER ASKED MORE OF US THAN HE GAVE HIMSELF. IT TOOK 12 OF US, TEN OF US I THINK THERE WERE IN...
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| 00:18:59 |
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WELL, J. EDGAR HOOVER HELPED HIM. HE WAS A SPONGE OF POLITICAL INTELLIGENCE. TODAY BIG CONTROVERSY OVER
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| 00:19:09 |
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THESE POLITICAL INTELLIGENCE FIRMS THAT LOOK THROUGH THE INTELLIGENCE. LYNDON JOHNSON GOT IT IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF HIS BUSINESS. HE HAD THE THREE...
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| 00:22:13 |
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OF ALMOST THOUGHT OF HIM AS HIS FATHER. BUT WHO WERE HIS ROLE MODELS? >> I ASKED HIM ONCE, IN THE CLOSING MONTHS OF THE ADMINISTRATION, WE WERE FLYING...
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| 00:22:27 |
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HIM ON THE PLANE -- WHAT OTHER POLITICIAN, MR. PRESIDENT, OTHER THAN YOURSELF, DO YOU MOST ADMIRE. I PHRASED IT CAREFULLY. AND I EXPECTED THAT HE...
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| 00:24:54 |
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OLD, A CLERK IN THE MAIL ROOM OF NO
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| 00:24:57 |
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SIGNIFICANCE. HE CALL IMMEDIATE OVER AND INSISTED I GO IT AN EISENHOWER PRESS CONFERENCE. THE FIRST PRESS CONFERENCE I HAD EVER SEEN OF A PRESIDENT....
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WAS NOT AFRAID TO SAY -- I REALLY NEED SOME HELP HERE. I REALLY NEED YOU TO HELP ME. YOU'RE KIND OF, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT BOTH OF THESE WORLDS. HOW...
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| 00:26:24 |
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A YOUNG MAN, REPLACED HUMPHREY WHO BECAME THE VICE PRESIDENT. JOHNSON WAS IN HIS HONEYMOON PERIOD. HE HAD THIS WONDERFUL PROGRAM OF SOCIAL JUSTICE...
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| 00:28:29 |
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CALLED THE EMPTYING OUT OF THE CENTER. RICHARD SCANLON,
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| 00:28:34 |
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WHO WAS PRESIDENT KENNEDY AND PRESIDENT JOHNSON'S CENSUS DIRECTOR USED TO SAY THAT THE GAME OF POLITICS IN AMERICA IS PLAYED BETWEEN THE 45 YARD LINES....
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| 00:29:51 |
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NOW. IF YOU SAY I'M WILLING -- >> AND I HAVE TO GIVE. AND GOD KNOWS, WE GAVE. BUT I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS. I THINK THERE'S, THERE...
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| 00:30:01 |
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I MEAN I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAD ANY DOUBT ABOUT WHERE JOHNSON WANTED TO GO. WHAT HE WANTED TO GET DONE. CIVIL RIGHTS WAS AN OVER-ARCHING ISSUE,...
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| 00:33:24 |
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POLITICS, I WAS A
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| 00:33:26 |
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HISTORY PROFESSOR. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT, FRED? >> I DO. >> ANYWAY, I USED THE GI BILL TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY, TO A PH.D.
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| 00:33:39 |
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IN
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| 00:33:41 |
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HISTORY. AND I THINK JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT JOHNSON DID ON CIVIL RIGHTS, WHAT HE DID ON POVERTY, WHAT HE DID ON EDUCATION, ALL THESE OTHER THINGS....
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| 00:35:00 |
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DO YOU THINK LYNDON JOHNSON WOULD HAVE GONE TO VIETNAM? >> I CAN ONLY SAY THIS. I NEVER KNEW DURING ALL THAT DEBATE TIME ABOUT VIETNAM, THAT PRESIDENT
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| 00:35:12 |
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JOHNSON KNEW THAT WE MADE A DREADFUL MISTAKE. GETTING INVOLVED IN VIETNAM. MILITARILY. YOU READ THE BRILLIANT HISTORIAN WHO IS ON THE PROGRAM TOMORROW,...
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| 00:35:58 |
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AND THIS IS IN THE
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| 00:36:01 |
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FIRST DAYS OF WHEN PRESIDENT JOHNSON WAS SWORN IN. AFTER JOHN KENNEDY'S ASSASSINATION. IN THOSE FIRST DAYS, HE SAID DICK, WHAT THE HELL ARE WE GOING...
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| 00:38:26 |
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MASTER PARLIAMENT AERARIANPARLIAMENTARIAN. HE RESPECTED PROCEDURE, YES, POLITICS IS IMPROVISATION, IT'S SCRATCH MY BACK, I'LL SCRATCH YOURS, BUT IT'S...
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| 00:41:14 |
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WAS IT LIKE THERE? I MEAN HOW DID YOU FEEL HIS PRESIDENT -- TOM JOHNSON, WHO IS SITTING OUT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TOLD ME ONE TIME THAT JOHNSON HAD...
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| 00:42:02 |
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TIME. AND EVERY TIME HE WOULD TALK SO LONG I WOULD BEGIN TO WORRY ABOUT MY TIME. AND HE NEVER GAVE ME A DAMN THING. WE JUST HAD CONVERSATION. AND BUT...
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| 00:43:50 |
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VERY CLOSE TO HUMPHREY. >> YOU KNOW, HUBERT AND I, I LOVED HUBERT. AND I WAS THRILLED
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| 00:44:01 |
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WHEN HE BECAME VICE PRESIDENT. I WOULD SAY IN RETROSPECT, HE WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF HE HADN'T BEEN VICE PRESIDENT. HE HAD A GREAT CAREER IN THE SENATE....
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| 00:45:24 |
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HUMPHREY WOULD HAVE TO SEND A NOTE IN TO JOHNSON AND SAY, I NEED AN AIRPLANE FOR THIS. AND THEN TWO BLOCKS, YES OR NO, ON THERE. AND SOMETIMES THE LETTER...
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| 00:45:49 |
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STORY ONCE. HE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HUMPHREY AND ME, SITTING
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| 00:45:53 |
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IN THE ROCKER. HE SAID WALTER REUTHER HAD COME IN AND SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T FIND A WAY TO REBUILD THE CITIES WE'RE GOING TO BURN THE CITIES DOWN...
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| 00:47:06 |
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AN INHERENTLY DIFFICULT RELATIONSHIP. HERE IS SOMEONE WHO IS WAITING FOR YOU TO EXIT THE STAGE. SOMEONE WHO MAY HAVE BEEN YOUR RIVAL, SOMEONE WHO MAY...
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| 00:48:00 |
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YEARS.
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| 00:48:05 |
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I REMEMBER, I GOT, I WAS SERVED AT THE WHITE HOUSE, THAT'S HOW I MET BILL AND JACK VALENTI AND ALL OF THOSE GUYS. I WAS TOLD ONE DAY, VALENTI CALLED...
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| 00:48:56 |
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DEPUTY I BECAME -- SENATOR MONDALE, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT? >> THOSE OF US SUPPORTING HUMPHREY THOUGHT EXACTLY THAT. THE CONVENTION WAS ONE NIGHT, THE...
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| 00:49:35 |
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HIS BIRTHDAY. AND IF THE CONVENTION HAD DECIDED TO GO FOR -- LYNDON, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIRTHDAY PARTY. WE, BY THE TIME THE CONVENTION GOT STARTED,...
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| 00:50:18 |
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THERE WAS A CHANCE THAT WE COULD HAVE BUILT A BRIDGE THERE. AND BUT THEY WOULDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T LET IT HAPPEN. AND IT WAS ONLY THAT NIGHT WHEN ...
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| 00:50:52 |
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| 00:50:53 |
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HUMPHREY'S SUITE IN CHICAGO AND HE HAD ANTICIPATED THAT LBJ MIGHT MAKE A MOVE. BUT BY THE TIME OF THE CONVENTION, I THINK HE WAS TOTALLY PERSUADED THAT...
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| 00:51:18 |
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SURE IN THE LBJ LIBRARY. THEN
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I GOT A CALL, HE WAS GOING
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| 00:51:25 |
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TO COME AT ONE POINT. I GOT A CALL THE DAY THE CONVENTION STARTED. FROM SOMEBODY AT THE RANCH, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO. >> LARRY TEMPLE, JIM JONES SAYING...
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| 00:51:43 |
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I LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE AND WENT UP TO THE JERSEY SHORE WITH MY CHILDREN. WATCHED IT THERE, SADLY. SO I DON'T -- I, THE SPEECH WASN'T AN ACCEPTANCE SPEECH....
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| 00:52:15 |
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NOTHING TO IT. BUT BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET ANY MANAGEMENT OF THAT CONVENTION FOR ABOUT THREE DAYS, WE WONDERED WHY. >> I WAS AT THE RANCH AND WATCHED...
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| 00:52:29 |
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OFFICE. WE WATCHED THE CONVENTION AND THE RIOTS IN THAT OFFICE WITH THE PRESIDENT, WHO WAS QUITE MISERABLE WATCHING IT. ALL THAT WEEK THAT THE CONVENTION...
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| 00:53:34 |
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HE WAS
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| 00:53:36 |
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CONSTANTLY CONCERNED THAT THE PARTY WOULD REBUFF HIM ON THE WAR. WE ALL SAY, IF HE HAD ONLY MADE THE SPEECH ABOUT THE WAR A COUPLE OF WEEKS SOONER,...
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| 00:54:28 |
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STATES. HE BROUGHT ROCKEFELLER DOWN TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN A SECRET MEETING TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT. >> IT'S ANOTHER INDICATION OF THIS WEIRD BIPARTISANSHIP...
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| 00:54:40 |
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WAS ON. AND HE HAD GREAT RESPECT FOR NELSON ROCKEFELLER'S ABILITIES. AND I AS A YOUNG PERSON IN THE WHITE HOUSE, THOUGHT IT WAS STRANGE THAT THE PRESIDENT...
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FOR ROCKEFELLER? >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WOULD
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| 00:55:05 |
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HAVE DONE. I DO REMEMBER ONE THING ABOUT ROCKEFELLER. WHEN ROCKEFELLER GOT DIVORCED AND MARRIED HAPPY, IT WAS A
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| 00:55:11 |
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BIG SCANDAL. I MEAN IT WAS A BIG DEAL IN POLITICS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. AND THERE WAS A WHITE HOUSE DINNER AND HE WAS GOING OVER THE LIST WITH LIZ CARPENTER....
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| 00:55:42 |
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THINK IS THE QUALITY ABOUT LYNDON JOHNSON THAT TODAY'S POLITICIANS, WOULD DO WELL TO EMULATE OR WHAT WAS IT ABOUT HIM COULD LEARN FROM HIM WOULD...
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| 00:56:13 |
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OF VIEW. EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T COME TO HIS POINT OF VIEW, AT LEAST COOPERATING. I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF HIS ENDURING QUALITIES. THAT HE COULD BRING A PERSON...
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| 00:57:09 |
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AND PROFOUNDLY FELT FOR POOR
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| 00:57:11 |
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PEOPLE. I DON'T THINK IT WAS A POSE. AND I THINK IT DROVE HIS PRESIDENCY AND HE, EVERY DAY OF HIS LIFE, WANTED TO MAKE PROGRESS AND MAKE THE LIVES...
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| 00:58:35 |
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HE SAID, WELL, WHEN HE SIGNED THAT BILL, THERE GOES THE SOUTH. FOR THE NEXT HALF CENTURY. >> RIGHT, RIGHT. >> BILL? >> WELL IT'S HARD TO REDUCE THAT...
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| 00:58:50 |
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CONCLUDING SENTENCE.
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| 00:58:51 |
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BUT IT IS TO PUT YOURSELF WHEN YOU CAN, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF
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| 00:58:54 |
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HOW YOU READ HISTORY. THAT'S WHAT HE DID WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. HIS POSTURE ON CIVIL RIGHTS WAS NOT ALL THAT ADMIRABLE BEFORE HE BECAME PRESIDENT....
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| 00:59:33 |
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VOICE THAT WOULD CUT THROUGH. AND HE SAID, MR. PRESIDENT, MR. PRESIDENT -- YOU DIDN'T DO VERY WELL ON CIVIL RIGHTS IN TEXAS. YOU DIDN'T DO VERY WELL...
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| 01:00:43 |
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BRING UP JIM DEACON. HE WAS COVERING THE WHITE HOUSE WHEN I WAS A WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT. WHAT I REMEMBER THAT JIM ALWAYS HAD A WAY OF KIND OF
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| 01:00:50 |
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HOLDING HIS HEAD. AND JOHNSON ALWAYS SAID, OH, YOU KNOW, HE'S THE REPORTER THAT LOOKS LIKE HE JUST SMELLED SOMETHING. AND HE USUALLY DID. >> KEVIN?...
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NOT ALSO A GREAT POLITICIAN,
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| 01:01:21 |
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AND IF WE HAVE PRESIDENTS WHO COVER THEMSELVES ABOVE THE POLITICAL FRAY, WHO HAVE A DISDAIN FOR THE SORT OF SWEATY, WORLD OF POLITICS AND THE TRENCHES....
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| 01:02:39 |
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HAD SUCH PROFOUND COMMITMENT. I THINK HE HAD ENORMOUS COURAGE. HE KNEW HE WAS PAYING A FEARFUL PRICE FOR EVERYTHING HE WAS DOING, PARTICULARLY IN...
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| 01:04:33 |
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THIS WITH ONE LITTLE PERSONAL STORY. LYNDON JOHNSON WAS THE FIRST POLITICIAN THAT I EVER KNEW OR
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| 01:04:41 |
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EVEN KNEW ABOUT. THE YEAR WAS 1948. I WAS 11 YEARS OLD, AND WE HEARD THAT LYNDON JOHNSON WHO WAS RUNNING FOR THE UNITED STATES SENATE, THIS WAS THE...
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