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LINCOLN AND JEFFERSON DAVIS. >>> ANY MEASURE BY BEARING AND BACKGROUND AND ANY REMOTELY RELIABLE CRYSTAL BALL, ANY AMERICAN, NORTHERN OR SOUTHERN,...
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SAY IN THE SPRING OF 1861 WHO WAS MORE LIKELY TO BE A SUPERIOR COMMANDER IN CHIEF IN A FULL SCALE WAR, WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE SAME ANSWER. JEFFERSON...
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FAILINGS AND SHORT COMINGS, DAVIS GENUINELY DID INSIDE UNDERSTAND THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE THE NATURE OF AN EXECUTIVE. I THINK THAT HE GENUINELY WOULD...
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SCOTT. LIBRARY OF CONGRESS, MILITARY HISTORY AND MILITARY STRATEGY AND STUDYING THEM BY MIDNIGHT OIL. HE TALKS ABOUT LINCOLN STAYING UP LATE, TRYING...
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PROBABLY COULD, JIM. HE WAS A REMARKABLE LEARNER BUT I STILL FIND IT MIRACULOUS THAT HE ABSORBED AS MUCH AS HE DID AND BECAME AN AUTHORITY AS YOU DETAILED...
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APRIL AND THE CONFEDERACY HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR GOING ON THREE MONTHS AND ARMY IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING RAISED AND THEREFORE DAVIS ALREADY HAS TO...
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VIRGINIA. IN THE SUMMER AND EARLY FALL OF 1861. SO MUCH SO THAT THE RICHMOND NEWSPAPERS STARTED CALLING HIM GRANNY LEE. IT WOULDN'T BE ENTIRELY CLEAR...
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THE NICKNAME SPADS LEE. >> GETTING BACK TO THE OLDER VETERANS WHO HAVE EVENTUALLY TO MOVE ON FOR THE
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EMERGENCE OF THE YOUNGER FOLKS LET'S TALK TO WHOM YOU ALLUDED JIM A MOMENT AGO, A VETERAN OF NOT ONLY MEXICO BUT I GUESS THE WAR OF 1812, BEEN IN THE...
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| 00:11:51 |
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IN REPUTATION. AS AN AMERICAN SOLDIER. HE HAD BEEN GENERAL IN CHIEF OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. AS YOU SAY, HE WAS OLD AND INFIRMED....
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PLAN WHICH WAS BASICALLY AN IDEA OF TRYING TO ISOLATE
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THE CONFEDERACY, SO THAT IT WOULD JUST RUN OUT OF GAS, AS IT WERE, BY IMPOSING A BLOCKADE ON ITS COASTS, AND SENDING A TASK FORCE DOWN THE MISSISSIPPI...
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LOYALTY TO THE COUNTRY WHICH SOME VIRGINIANS DID NOT MANIFEST BUT ALSO BECAUSE HE WAS REALLY LINCOLN'S ONLY IMPORTANT MILITARY ADVISER DURING THE...
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| 00:15:58 |
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OF THE
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WILLARD. SO HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN IDEA, HE SAID MAYBE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DROPPED. SORT OF ONE TELEVISION FILM HE WAS PLAYED BY JOHN HAUSMAN. DO...
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| 00:16:21 |
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TALENT. YOU TALKED
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| 00:16:23 |
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ABOUT BEAUREGARD, AND YOU MENTIONED McCLELLAN AS THE SUCCESSOR AND THE GREAT HOPE. HOW DID EACH GROW? START WITH DAVIS IN THIS AND BY THE WAY YOU CAN...
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| 00:16:49 |
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IN THE PERSONALITY OF THE MAN, HOWEVER MUCH CONFIDENCE HE MIGHT HAVE PUT IN HIS GENERALS IN THE FIELD. HE ALWAYS HAD GREATER CONFIDENCE IN HIMSELF...
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| 00:18:52 |
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DAVIS CAME INTO THIS
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| 00:18:53 |
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WITH A WHOLE SET OF CONSTRAINTS HE WAS NOT AWARE OF DUE TO HIS BACKGROUND. >> ALSO LINCOLN IS PRESIDENT FOR FOUR YEARS, DAVIS FOR LONGER, WITH NOT ANY...
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| 00:19:07 |
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HE'S GOT TO START LOOKING AT ALMOST AS SOON AS HE TAKES OFFICE. JIM COULD YOU CERTAINLY WEIGH IN. >> WELL, COULD YOU LOOK AT LINCOLN'S CHOICE OF...
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| 00:19:20 |
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WAS SO GOOD AT CHOOSING TALENT, WHY DID HE HAVE TO KEEP FIRING GENERALS AND APPOINTING SOMEBODY ELSE. [ LAUGHTER ] MY ANSWER TO THAT HAS BEEN AT THE...
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| 00:22:00 |
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GENERAL. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THE OTHER THING ABOUT LINCOLN, I THINK THE ONE THING WORTH
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ADDING IS THAT
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| 00:22:08 |
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LINCOLN'S RESPONSIBILITIES WERE FURTHER COMPLICATED BY THE FACT THAT HE WAS LIVING WITHIN A POLITICAL CULTURE, NOT JUST A MILITARY CULTURE CULTURE....
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THINK DOESN'T -- >> THAT, IN FACT, IS THE ONE
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| 00:22:45 |
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AREA IN WHICH I THINK YOU COULD CREDIT DAVIS PERHAPS FOR SHOWING
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| 00:22:51 |
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BET JUDGMENT OR PERHAPS BEING UNDER PRESSURE FROM LINCOLN. YOU DON'T FIND THE GREAT CADRE OF POLITICAL GENERALS IN THE ARMY. ONLY TWO CAREER POLITICIANS...
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| 00:23:57 |
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SO MANY IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT EACH OF THESE COMMANDERS' RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE COMMON SOLDIER, WHICH WAS IMPORTANT, AND I'D LIKE YOU EACH TO ADDRESS...
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WEST, RIGHT? >> HE DID. DAVIS, DAVIS WOULD HAVE
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DISDAIN DISDAINED ANY NOTION OF PUBLIC RELATIONS OR TRYING TO CURRY FAVOR FOR POPULARITY,
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| 00:24:48 |
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ONE OF HIS GREAT FAILINGS AS A LEADER. HE SIMPLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE VALUE, THE MORE RALALL BUILDING IMPACT A LEADER CAN HAVE UPON THE LEFT SO WHEN...
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| 00:26:09 |
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THE TROOPS, THEY, SOME OF THEM REMARKED ON WHAT A FINE RIDER HE WAS. WHEN LINCOLN REVIEWED THE TROOPS AND RODE A HORSE TO DO THIS, THE SOLDIERS WERE...
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| 00:26:35 |
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AT ONE OF THEM, WHO
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WOULD COME OUT OF THE SAME KIND OF BACKGROUND THAT MANY OF THEM HAD COME OUT OF, HE COULD IDENTIFY WITH HIM, THEY SAW, JACK HAS WRITTEN ABOUT THIS,...
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| 00:27:08 |
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IN TURN HEARING THEIR AP.ROBATION DIRECTED AT HIM. >> THAT'S RIGHT, ALTHOUGH I THINK DAVIS DID SPEND MORE TIME AT THE FRONT THAN LINCOLN DID I THINK LINCOLN...
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TERMS OF RAPPORT WITH THE COMMON SOLDIERS. >> I OFTEN THINK THAT NICKNAMES ARE A GOOD GAUGE OF THE AFFECTION OF ONE PERSON OR A GROUP OF PEOPLE FOR...
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| 00:27:36 |
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YOU'LL HAVE UNCLE ABE, OLD ABE, FATHER ABRAHAM, THERE'S NEVER A FATHER JEFFERSON. THEY FEEL THAT -- THEY MIGHT CALL HIM OLD JEFF, BUT EVEN THAT IS...
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| 00:28:39 |
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OUR AUDIENCE QUESTIONS, BUT TECHNOLOGY, NEW WEAPONRY, I THINK LINCOLN GETS A GREAT DEAL OF CREDIT FOR IT, MONITOR THE MOST OBVIOUS THING. I DON'T KNOW...
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| 00:29:11 |
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INVENTION AND I DON'T BELIEVE JEFFERSON DAVIS HELD A PATENT EITHER. LINCOLN SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME LISTENING TO INVENTORS HAVING THEM DEMONSTRATE...
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| 00:31:04 |
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AND INNOVATION AND
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| 00:31:06 |
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INDEED IN ALMOST ANY CONFLICT IN HISTORY THE UNDERDOG IS THE ONE WHO IS MOST LIKELY TO BE WILLING TO TRY ANYTHING NEW, BECAUSE WHAT DID THEY HAVE...
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| 00:32:17 |
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EVERYTHING, AND HIS AMUSEMENT
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| 00:32:19 |
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AT SOME OF THE CONTRAPTIONS THAT WERE SENT, LIKE SWEAT PROOF BODY ARMOR, AND CORRESPONDENCE IS FILLED WITH THESE EXTRAORDINARY SUGGESTIONS. THIGH FAVORITE...
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| 00:33:36 |
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THE CONFEDERACY THAT HAS TO BE DEFENDED AND HE'S GOT PERHAPS HALF OR LESS OF THE MANPOWER RESOURCES OF THE NORTH. HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO BE ON THE...
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| 00:36:07 |
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AN EVOLVING STRATEGY FROM A LIMITED WAR IN THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO OF THE WAR TO SUPPRESS A REBELLION OR SUPPRESS AN INSURRECTION BUT NOT TO DESTROY THE...
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| 00:38:07 |
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WAR HAS BECOME BY 1863 AND '64 TO MOST OUTSIDERS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CONFEDERACY IS LOSING AT THIS POINT AND IF YOU STAND BACK AND LOOK AT IT DISPASSIONATELY,...
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| 00:39:06 |
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QUESTIONS, YOU CAN BEGIN LINING UP AT EITHER AISLE, AND AS SOON AS I SEE SOME FOLKS READY FOR QUESTIONS, I'LL TURN TO YOU, BUT LET ME FOLLOW UP ON EMANCIPATION...
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| 00:39:52 |
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THERE'S NOT ONE GENUINE VERIFIABLE
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INCIDENT OR INSTANCE OF AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN
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SERVING AS
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AN ENLISTED SOLDIER IN THE CONFEDERATE ARMY,
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| 00:40:00 |
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THAT IS TO SAY ON THE MUSTER ROLLS, ISSUED UNIFORM, WEAPONS, FED, PAID, ALL THE REST. WHO KNOWS HOW MANY. THERE'S NO QUESTION SOME SMALL NUMBER OF FREED...
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WITH THE ARMY. MOST ARE NOT THERE BY
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CHOICE. THEY'RE THERE BECAUSE THEIR OWNERS HAVE HIRED THEM OUT. >>
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AGREED,
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| 00:40:47 |
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JIM? >> WELL, THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION, DAVIS WAS AS A LAST
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ACT OF DESPERATION
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IN THE SPRING OF IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH OF 1865, WILLING TO SUPPORT THE NEGRO SOLDIER BILL THAT WAS PASSED BY THE CONFEDERATE CONGRESS IN MARCH OF 1865....
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| 00:41:16 |
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EUROPE, THAT DUNCAN KENNER MISSION
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| 00:41:19 |
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TO ENGLAND AND FRANCE IN MARCH OF 18 -- FEBRUARY OF 1865 TO OFFER THE CONFEDERATES A CONFEDERACY WOULD -- THE OFFER WAS RATHER VAGUE. SOME DEGREE...
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| 00:42:15 |
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YONKERS, AND I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION, ALL OF
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YOU, AS A MATTER OF FACT. DAVID DONALD A LONG TIME AGO DISCUSSED THE PROS OF BOTH, PROS AND CONS OF BOTH LINCOLN AND DAVIS, AND HE CAME UP WITH...
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YOU'VE USURPED ME SO I WILL LET THE OTHERS ANSWER. >> WELL, FIRST IT WAS ACTUALLY ANOTHER DAVID, NOT DAVID DONALD BUT DAVID POTTER WHO MADE THAT ASSERTION...
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| 00:43:09 |
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THE FAMOUS ESSAY THAT HE WROTE AND GAVE AS A PAPER AT GETTYSBURG BACK IN I THINK 1959 OR 1960 CALLED JEFFERSON DAVIS AND POLITICAL FACTORS IN CONFEDERATE...
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| 00:43:59 |
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WONDER IF THE UNION MIGHT HAVE WON FASTER BECAUSE DAVIS COULD HAVE HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE COURSE OF STUDY THAT...
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| 00:44:14 |
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COULD YOU COMMENT ON THE
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RESPECTIVE RELATIONSHIP OF BOTH
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PRESIDENTS WITH THEIR CONGRESSES AND WHO ARE THE SMOOTHEST RELATIONSHIP AND HOW THAT AFFECTED THE COURSE OF THE WAR? >> GO AHEAD. >> JEFFERSON DAVIS'...
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WORSE, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
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NUMBER ONE THE CONFEDERATE CONGRESS WAS FORMED LARGELY BY A MAN WHO WOULD LATER FORM -- THERE IS NO SECOND PARTY IN THE CONFED RACY, THERE'S THE ADMINISTRATION...
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HEAD, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SUPPORTED MOST OF HIS WAR MEASURES. THEY WERE AHEAD OF LINCOLN IN SOME RESPECTS, ESPECIALLY IN MATTERS...
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AND IF HE HAD LIVED COULD HE HAVE MADE ANY TYPE OF DIFFERENCE IN THE WEST? >> JOHNSTON REFERRED TO NOTES EVIL JOSEPH E. JOHNSON IS ALFRED SIDNEY JOHNSON...
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FRIEND WHICH I FIND INTERESTING. JOHNSTON WAS A YEAR OR TWO AHEAD OF JEFFERSON DAVIS AT WEST POINTE AND JOHNSON ALLOWED DAVIS TO JOIN HIS SET. THIS...
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THEIR POLICIES, AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN COMMENT ON A COMPARATIVE SCALE AND CHARACTER OF THAT RESISTANCE. >> WELL, IN THE CASE OF LINCOLN, MOST...
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| 00:50:30 |
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DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED SOLIDLY AGAINST MANY OF THE WAR MEASURES AND SOLIDLY AGAINST THE ANTISLAVERY OR EMANCIPATIONIST MEASURES IN CONGRESS. IN THE CASE...
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| 00:51:49 |
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WAS MOVING TOO SLOWLY, ESPECIALLY ON THE
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QUESTION OF SLAVERY AND EMANCIPATION BUT ALSO ON THE QUESTION OF CONFISCATION OF SOUTHERN PROPERTY. >> THE OPPOSITION TO DAVIS AS I INDICATED EARLIER...
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| 00:52:06 |
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IS AN OPPOSITION PRESS HEADED BY THE "RICHMOND EXAMINER" AND THE "CHARLESTON MERCURY." MOST OF THE OPPOSITION IS BASED AROUND DAVIS' MILITARY DECISIONS...
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| 00:53:21 |
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AS IT SEEMS TO EXIST IN HISTORY IS BECAUSE OF THE TWO-PARTY SYSTEM. THERE A NATURAL OPPOSITION THAT'S GEARING TOWARD ELECTIONS THAT JUST DON'T TAKE...
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TO COMMENT
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ON TWO ASPECTS OF
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GENERAL McCLELLAN. DID HE MAKE A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE NORTH BY HIS ORGANIZATIONAL SKILLS? AND ALSO, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN HIS SLOWS WITH RESPECT...
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CREATED AND ORGANIZED, TRAINED AND INSPIRED THE ARMY OF
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THE POTOMAC. BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO USE IT. BUT IT WAS THERE FOR SOMEBODY WHO DID KNOW HOW TO USE IT WHEN GRANT FINALLY BECOMES GENERAL AND CHIEF...
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| 00:55:38 |
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WITH A RIFLE OR SHOTGUN. SHE DESCRIBED A TIME WHEN HE WENT OUT ON A HUNT WITH SEVERAL OTHER MEN AND THE OTHERS BANGED AWAY BLITHELY, MISSING ALL THE...
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| 00:56:47 |
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THE NORTH WHOSE POLITICS ARE WELL KNOWN. McCLELLAN AFTER
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HIS TRIUMPH AT AN TEED UM SEES THE WAR CHANGE AND
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SCOPE WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT FIVE DAYS LATER WITH THE E EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION AND HE TELLS LINCOLN IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT HE DOESN'T SUPPORT...
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| 00:57:34 |
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AND MEMORY STRETCHING BACK TO EVERY PATRIOT'S GRAVE, PART OF THAT MEMORY WAS THE FACT THAT WE WERE A CONFEDERATION FROM 1781 TO 1789 AND IT WAS A...
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| 00:58:20 |
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COULD NOT BE TWO
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| 00:58:21 |
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COUNTRIES, UNITED STATES AND THE CONFEDERATE STATES, THAT SOONER OR LATER THE CONFEDERATE STATES UNDER THE BANNER OF STATE SOVEREIGNTY WOULD SPLIT APART...
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| 00:58:42 |
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CONCERNS. THERE WERE RUMORS GOING
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| 00:58:44 |
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AROUND GEORGIA IN 1864 THAT GOVERNOR JOE BROWN WAS GOING TO MAKE A SEPARATE PEACE WITH SHERMAN AND THAT SOMEHOW GEORGIA WOULD GO BACK INTO THE UNION....
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COMMUNICATOR. THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WE'VE LEFT OUT IN THIS HOUR THAT SPED BY. I'M JUST REMINDED THAT ABRAHAM LINCOLN ARRIVED TO ASSUME HIS ROLE...
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