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NONFICTION. HERB BOYD PRESENTS THE COLLECTIVE THOUGHTS OF 30 AFRICAN-AMERICAN SCHOLARS WHO EXAMINED MR. MARABLE AT THE PICTURES OF MALCOLM X. ABOUT...
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| 00:00:41 |
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AND MANY ARTICLES AT THE NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL LEVEL. I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITANY. I WILL TELL YOU HIS WEB SITE. YOU CAN GO AND FIND OUT...
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| 00:02:36 |
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BE REMEMBERED ON SOME PERISH DAY. I DON'T BELIEVE IN DYING THOUGH I TOO WILL DIE AND LIKE THE FLOWERS, THE VIOLETS, I CAST THE NET. THEY WILL ECHO...
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| 00:29:57 |
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THE NAACP WAS FOUNDED AND NOT SURE THE DISTANCE FROM THE APOLLO THEATER TO THE HOTEL TERESA. SO THOSE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT MY FRIENDS SAY, HERB,...
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| 00:39:15 |
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YOU. I SAID I DID HAVE, UM, A
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| 00:39:18 |
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COMMENT TO MAKE WITH REGARD
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| 00:39:21 |
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TO CONTEXTUALIZING THE PERIOD IN WHICH MALCOLM LIVED AND STRUGGLED BECAUSE IT IS HARD TO ACTUALLY PUT IT IN 2012 CONTEXT, ACTUALLY. AND SO I JUST...
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| 00:39:50 |
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STANZA OF SONIA SANCHEZ'S POINT WHICH IS THAT DO NOT SPEAK TO ME ABOUT LIVING, LIFE IS OBSCENE AND CROWDS OF WHITE ON BLACK. DEATH IS MY PULSE. WHAT...
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| 00:40:47 |
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ACKNOWLEDGMENT, BUT THE COMPTROLLER OF THE THETY OF NEW YORK -- THE CITY OF NEW YORK, JOHN LIU, WAS HERE, AND UNFORTUNATELY COULD NOT STAY, BUT I WANTED...
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| 00:41:11 |
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IN THE BIG LEADERSHIP ASPECT OF THE CITY OF NEW YORK. >> SURE. >> AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT
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THAT. [APPLAUSE] >>
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| 00:41:20 |
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YEAH, THANK HIM FOR COMING OUT BECAUSE
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| 00:41:22 |
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IT'S KIND OF A TIT FOR TAT THING. HE KNOWS I'M A JOURNALIST WITH THE AMSTERDAM
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| 00:41:28 |
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NEWS, SO -- [LAUGHTER] >> KEEP 'EM HAPPY? >> HEY, MAN, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME PLAY, YOU DIG? ALL RIGHT. [LAUGHTER] BUT IT WOULD BE ONLY FAIR. OKAY, I GUESS...
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| 00:41:39 |
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CAN -- >> I JUST WANTED TO
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| 00:41:41 |
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SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF US OUT THERE IN THE '60s. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE
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| 00:41:48 |
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REALITY. AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW IS THAT THOSE TIMES WERE SO DANGEROUS, AND YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN...
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| 00:44:46 |
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IN PEOPLE'S
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| 00:44:47 |
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FILES. THAT'S THEIR JOB. DO YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I'M, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOVE ABOUT THE SOCIETY THAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER HERE,...
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| 00:45:42 |
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YOU
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| 00:45:44 |
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MENTIONED IT YOU HAD BEEN A MEMBER OF THE NATION OF
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| 00:45:47 |
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ISLAM, SO WAS I, DURING THE TIME MALCOLM WAS THERE. AND YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN ALSO AT THE MEETING AT THE MANHATTAN CENTER WHERE HE MADE THE FAMOUS CHICKENS...
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| 00:46:08 |
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BUT KHALIL ISLAM TOLD ME HE
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| 00:46:12 |
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WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE WHEN IT WAS SAID. HE BECAME, YOU KNOW, KHALIL ISLAM, AND WE LOST HIM
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| 00:46:18 |
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AUGUST THE 4TH, 2004. >> YES, YES. SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONE. SOME ARE STILL AROUND. >> YES. >> SOME OF US. BUT I JUST HAPPENED TO BE THERE AND
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| 00:46:28 |
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SHARE THAT MOMENT IN HISTORY AND DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT
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| 00:46:31 |
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AN HISTORIC MOMENT IT WAS
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| 00:46:33 |
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UNTIL MAYBE THE NEXT DAY, AND AFTER IT WAS OVER, THE REST IS HISTORY. BUT THERE'S SO MUCH CAN BE SAID ABOUT MALCOLM. NOW, THIS BOOK THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING...
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| 00:47:35 |
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ABLE TO INTERACT WITH
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| 00:47:37 |
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HIM. THERE'S A LOT WE CAN SAY. I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THINGS TO SAY. >> THANK YOU. GREAT, THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> TO GIVE YOU, WHILE
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| 00:47:49 |
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THE MICROPHONE IS MOVING, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IN THE '50s MALCOLM'S, TO GET HIM ON THE
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| 00:47:56 |
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RADIO, YOU HAD TO FIDDLE THE DIAL CAN, -- DIAL, OKAY? ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE, AND SOMETIMES IT WOULD COME IN, BUT A LOT OF TIMES IT WAS BLOCKED, YOU...
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| 00:49:03 |
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KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS -- >> COLLECTION -- >> -- AN ANTHOLOGY. YOU KNOW, I'M JUST
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| 00:49:11 |
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AN EDITOR THERE. IT'S BEEN SAID TO BE AN EDITOR, ALL YOU NEED IS A POT
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| 00:49:15 |
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OF GLUE AND A PAIR OF
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| 00:49:17 |
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SCISSORS. [LAUGHTER] BUT, OF COURSE, IN THE DIGITAL AGE, IT'S EVEN FASTER. BUT AGAIN, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. >> ANYWAY, WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE AND WHEN...
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| 00:49:32 |
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AN HISTORICAL REPLAY OF A POLEMIC WITHIN AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY. MALCOLM HAD REPRESENTED THE LIBERATIONIST, NATIONALIST TENDENCY WITHIN OUR HISTORY....
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| 00:53:17 |
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I WOULD DIRECT YOU TO PAGE 20. DO YOU HAVE THE BOOK IN YOUR -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE BOOK ANYWAY. READ PAGE 20, JEFF WILL PASS IT THERE TO YOU....
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| 00:54:23 |
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POINTED OUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HE WAS COMING INTO CONTACT
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| 00:54:27 |
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WITH, INCLUDING IN ALGERIA WITH MENDELA, INCLUDING IN TANZANIA, INCLUDING IN NIGERIA. AND IT'S AMAZING THAT HE BECAME LIKE A MINISTER OF OUR PORTFOLIO...
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| 00:56:19 |
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MASONIC THEORY, RIGHT? AND, THUS, MOVING AWAY FROM WHAT IS CALLED ORTHODOXY BECAUSE WE WERE NEVER AFRICAN PEOPLE, WE'RE ASIATIC BLACK MEN. AND I...
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| 00:56:57 |
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GROWING BUSINESSES, YOU'RE BUYING LAND. AND THE BEST
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| 00:57:00 |
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YOU CAN GET IS PEOPLE WHO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE WHITE MAN'S THE DEVIL, AND THE PIG IS THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET GRADUATE...
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| 00:57:44 |
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HAVE A
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| 00:57:46 |
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COMMENT AND, AND
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| 00:57:48 |
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I WANTED TO -- ACTUALLY, I HAVE TWO COMMENTS, AND I WANTED TO GET A REACTION ON ONE OF THEM FROM YOU, PLEASE, PROFESSOR.
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| 00:57:55 |
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FIRST COMMENT IS I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE AN INSATIABLE APPETITE FOR INFORMATION, AND THERE'S SO MANY THINGS...
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| 00:58:35 |
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| 00:58:37 |
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BUT THE COMMENT
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| 00:58:40 |
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THAT I WANTED TO GET A REACTION FROM YOU ON IS THIS: I HEARD ABOUT
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| 00:58:47 |
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THE MANNING BOOK, AND I READ IT, AND MY PERSONAL FEELING WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE THINGS THAT I QUESTIONED OR, HEY, MAYBE THIS ISN'T SO, WHAT...
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| 01:05:11 |
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HE WAS THE KIND OF PERSON WHO PICKED UP EVERY PIECE. HE DIDN'T DROP ANYTHING. HE PICKED IT UP AND MOVED IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND HE WAS PUTTING IN...
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| 01:07:44 |
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HE HAD THAT
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| 01:07:48 |
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HISTORY. >> A DOUBLE TRANSPLANT. GOODNESS. >> IN YOUR RESEARCH INTO THE
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| 01:07:55 |
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PRODUCTION OF THE BOOK WAS THERE ANY AND THEY TRIED TO RUSH IT
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| 01:07:59 |
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AT ALL IN ORDER TO GET IT OUT WHEN
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| 01:08:01 |
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HE WAS STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW THAT THE PUBLISHING INDUSTRY IS NOT WHAT IT WAS. A LOT OF LOWER LEVEL COPYWRITERS AND FACT...
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| 01:08:41 |
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BOOK. YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO SEE THE PROPOSAL. I HAVE HEARD ALL KINDS OF SCUTTLEBUTT ABOUT THE PROPOSAL. WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AND HOW HE WAS ABLE TO COMMAND...
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| 01:13:14 |
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INTERNATIONAL -- JUST AN ILLUSION THAT TOOK PLACE AFTER HE LEFT. MALCOLM WAS DENOUNCING COLONIALISM IN THE NATION. HE HAD GREAT ADMIRATION FOR THE MOVEMENT...
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| 01:14:39 |
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REMARKABLE HUMAN
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| 01:14:42 |
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BEING. BUT MALCOLM LAID THE FOUNDATION FOR MUCH OF WHAT WE CALL -- TODAY. GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THAT LIKE HE HAD. THE NATION OF ISLAM ITSELF IS STILL...
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| 01:16:03 |
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THE DUNGEONS OF THIS COUNTRY
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| 01:16:06 |
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AND BEING ELEVATED TO THAT STATUS. IT CERTAINLY IS REMARKABLE. THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] >> GREAT-GRANDSON. THANK YOU. >> I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT I AM
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| 01:16:32 |
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HERE BECAUSE GROWING UP RIGHT BEHIND ALL OF
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| 01:16:37 |
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YOU, MALCOLM MEANT A LOT TO ME AND MY GENERATION BUT I WAS AROUND JUST A KID AROUND FOR THE BIG CHAINS. BUT WHAT I THINK IS SO IMPORTANT AND YOU SAY...
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| 01:18:41 |
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SOME
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| 01:18:42 |
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REALLY HARD TIMES NOW AND WE HAVE A YOUNGER GENERATION THAT IS COMING UP AND THEY ARE REALLY GETTING HIT WITH IT. I WONDER IF -- WE HAVE A NATIONAL AUDIENCE...
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| 01:19:23 |
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WIFE HE IS THE FOREMOST EXPERT. I HAVE AN IRREDEEMABLE RESPECT FOR PAUL LEE. THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO IS LET MALCOLM SPEAK FOR HIMSELF. THE SPEECHES,...
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| 01:23:21 |
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AND LOOK AT MALCOLM'S LIFE AS AN EXAMPLE HOW TO TRANSITION TO ANOTHER PLACE. AND WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. AND HOW TO CUT THE TEE THE OFF AND YOU NEED...
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| 01:25:47 |
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THE THINGS
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| 01:25:48 |
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WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, MALCOLM WAS AN ORGANIZER. EXAMPLE, WHEN MALCOLM HAD THE MUSLIMS AROUND THE POLICE PRECINCT AND GOT TO MIKE WALLACE IT WAS MALCOLM...
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| 01:27:25 |
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IT IS RECORDED. >> IT IS TRULY A PLEASURE AND AN HONOR TO MEET YOU, SIR. HAVING SAID THAT I AM GOING TO CHALLENGE YOU ON SOMETHING.
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| 01:27:35 |
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A NUMBER OF PEOPLE I HAVE SPOKEN TO WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY FEEL THE REASON WHY WE FAIL TO HAVE ANOTHER MALCOLM X SO TO SPEAK, UNTIL 2012 FOR TWO...
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| 01:28:12 |
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IN THIS COUNTRY THERE IS A BOTTOM-LINE ORIENTATION AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT BOOK, A LOT WAS INVESTED IN MARABLE'S BOOK SO YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR ...
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| 01:30:01 |
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BUT THERE'S THIS CONSTANT EVOLUTION THAT IS GOING, HOW HE CAN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BRING ABOUT CHANGE, YOU KNOW? SO POSSIBLY THE BALLOT...
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| 01:32:10 |
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MUCH, HERB,
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| 01:32:12 |
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FOR
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| 01:32:14 |
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JUST YOUR INDEFATIGABLE COMMITMENT TO US AND TO CONSTANTLY
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| 01:32:19 |
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LIFTING US UP AND CHALLENGING US TO THINK. I APPRECIATE THE BROTHER'S COMMENT, AND I'M TRYING TO GET MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER AND TRY TO DO IT QUICKLY,...
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| 01:32:44 |
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POINT IN THE BOOK,
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| 01:32:45 |
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YOU REALIZED IT WASN'T ABOUT THAT. SO MY QUESTION IS, THIS HAS BEEN A TEN-YEAR COMMITMENT. SO IN TEN YEARS CHOICES CAN BE MADE, I WOULD IMAGINE, IN...
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| 01:34:06 |
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KNOW, AS WE GATHER UNDERSTANDING WHERE MALCOLM WAS, I MEAN, UNDERSTAND NOW HE'S 39 YEARS OLD. THIS IS 1965. HE'S OUT THERE, I MEAN, HE'S WALKING THE...
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| 01:39:54 |
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MY NAME IS JONATHAN, AND I WANTED TO
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| 01:39:56 |
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ASK YOU A QUESTION, IF I
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| 01:39:58 |
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MAY. TOWARDS THE END
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| 01:40:00 |
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OF HIS LIFE, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS TO MALCOLM WAS REACHING OUT TO AND CONNECTING WITH YOUNG PEOPLE. >> UH-HUH. >> AND SO MY QUESTION IS, WHEN...
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| 01:40:15 |
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AND HELPING THEM TO BECOME CRITICAL, ANALYTICAL, INDEPENDENT, AFRICAN-MINDED THINKERS, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST BE DONE IN THAT TODAY'S YOUTH IS VERY, VERY...
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| 01:40:17 |
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| 01:40:57 |
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BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY, AN OBLIGATION, YOU KNOW, TO GO AHEAD AND DO A JOB, TOO N TERMS OF REACHING -- IN TERMS OF REACHING THE...
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| 01:44:19 |
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COMMENTS? YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A LAST COMMENT? >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM SOME MORE CONVERSATION. >> OKAY. TAKE THE MIC. >> I KNOW WE HAD A BROTHER...
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| 01:44:34 |
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| 01:44:35 |
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WAS ASKING WHY THERE ARE NO OTHER
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| 01:44:38 |
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MALCOLM Xs OUT THERE. WHERE CAN WE FIND THEM? AND I'M SITTING HERE REFLECTING IN THE MEANING OF MALCOLM X. YOU PROBABLY GOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS,...
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| 01:45:31 |
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GENERATION CREATES HIS OWN LEADERS. TIME AND CIRCUMSTANCES CREATE LEADERS. THEY
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| 01:45:37 |
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WILL STEP FORWARD. THE LEADERS, TO YOUNG PEOPLE OF TODAY HAVE JUST AS MUCH POTENTIAL IF NOT MORE THAN I HAD. THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY FACE TODAY...
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| 01:47:56 |
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YOU POSE -- AND YOU POSE A QUESTION, SOMETHING YOU WANT
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| 01:47:59 |
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TO KNOW ABOUT AND YOU FOLLOW OUT THAT QUESTION UNTIL YOU EXHAUST WHAT'S
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| 01:48:03 |
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UP THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME PERCENTAGE OF THAT INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE HMM, ANOTHER PERCENTAGE OF IT WAS GOING TO BE, LIKE, I'VE HEARD THAT...
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