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CLINTON, SECRETARY PANETTA, AND GENERAL DEMPSEY, WELCOME. WE'RE PARTICULARLY PRIVILEGED TO HAVE YOU HERE TODAY, AND WE THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. IT'S...
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JOINED US TODAY. NINE YEARS AGO, THE FORM FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE BEGAN CONSIDERATION OF THE CAN LAW OF THE SEA CONVENTION DESIGNATED BY GEORGE...
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| 00:22:24 |
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GENERAL DEMPSEY, IF YOU WOULD ACT CLEAN-UP. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN, SENATOR LUGAR. AFTER BOTH OF YOUR OPENING
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| 00:22:34 |
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COMMENTS, I THINK YOU'VE MADE THE CASE BOTH ELOQUENTLY AND PERSUASIVELY FOR ANYONE WHO IS WILLING TO LOOK AT THE FACTS. I AM WELL AWARE THAT THIS...
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| 00:25:38 |
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FIVE YEARS AGO,
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| 00:25:40 |
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JOINING THE CONVENTION WAS IMPORTANT BUT NOT URGENT. THAT IS NO LONGER THE CASE TODAY. FOUR NEW DEVELOPMENTS MAKE OUR PARTICIPATION A MATTER OF UTMOST...
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| 00:39:48 |
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HELPFUL. MR. SECRETARY. >> CHAIRMAN KERRY, SENATOR LUGAR, DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR HERE AS THE FIRST
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| 00:39:57 |
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SECRETARY OF DEFENSE TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF THE UNITED STATES ACCESSION TO THE LAW OF THE SEA CONVENTION. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH OCEAN ISSUES...
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TREATY. GENERAL DEMPSEY? >> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, SENATOR LUGAR AND OTHERS ON THE COMMITTEE. I JOIN SECRETARY CLINTON AND
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| 00:51:03 |
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DIRECTOR PANETTA. INCLUDING OUR JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF. IT ECHOES EVERY OPINION OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF. IT HAS BEEN SO SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE OF...
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| 00:53:41 |
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WE, MYSELF AND MY COLLEAGUES -- WILL BE HAVING THE COMMANDERS OF THE VARIOUS FORCES, ALL OF WHOM ARE AFFECTED BY THIS, TO COME IN AND ANSWER QUESTIONS...
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| 00:54:31 |
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JUST SUGGESTED. >> NONE? >> NONE. >> YOU'RE CERTAIN OF THAT? >> I'M CERTAIN OF THAT. >> THAT'S SHARED WITH EVERY COMMANDER OF THE VARIOUS COMBATANT
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| 00:54:39 |
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FORCES? >> I'M NOT
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| 00:54:41 |
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EXACTLY DRESSED EXACTLY
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AS SOMEONE WHO WOULD
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SPEAK WITH AUTHORITY ON THE ISSUE OF MARITIME OPERATIONS,
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| 00:54:48 |
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BUT I AM A STUDENT AND, IN FACT, PRIOR TO MY TESTIMONY AND EVEN BEFORE, I'VE MADE IT A POINT TO CONSULT WITH THOSE WHO ARE EXPERTS ON THIS AND HAVE...
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| 00:55:08 |
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THE OCEANS GENERALLY CONFIRMED EXISTING MARITIME LAW AND PRACTICE AND FAIRLY BALANCED THE INTEREST OF ALL STATES. HE, THEREFORE, ANNOUNCED THAT THE...
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| 00:55:43 |
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AS CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS. IN LIGHT OF
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| 00:55:46 |
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THE FACT THAT WE ARE ALREADY FOLLOWING THE CONVENTION, WOULD JOINING IT REQUIRE THE MILITARY TO MAKE ANY CHANGE IN EXISTING POLICY OR PROCEDURE WITH...
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| 00:56:02 |
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IT WOULD NOT. >> AS CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT
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| 00:56:04 |
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CHIEFS OF STAFF, DO YOU BELIEVE JOINING THE CONVENTION WOULD HARM THE U.S. MILITARY IN ANY
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| 00:56:09 |
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WAY? >>
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I DO -- I BELIEVE IT WOULD NOT HARM US IN ANY WAY. >> AND, MR. SECRETARY, YOU SAID RATHER THAN HARM US, IT WOULD, IN
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| 00:56:19 |
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FACT, ENHANCE OUR STRATEGIC GOALS AND OUR
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| 00:56:23 |
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INTERESTS? >> IT WOULD. IT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE WHEN IT COMES
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| 00:56:30 |
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TO NAVIGATIONAL FREEDOMS AND NAVIGATIONAL RIGHTS. WE CAN ARGUE FOR THOSE NOW. WE CAN DO WHAT WE DO, BUT VERY FRANKLY, WE HAVE UNDERMINED OR MORAL AUTHORITY...
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| 00:56:56 |
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HE CONFIRMS THAT THE CONVENTION WOULD NOT PROHIBIT INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES IN ANY WAY. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE MYTHS THAT GET THROWN OUT THERE....
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| 00:57:26 |
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DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN OR ANY BELIEF WHATSOEVER THAT JOINING
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| 00:57:29 |
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THIS CONVENTION WOULD HARM THE U.S. MILITARY'S ABILITY TO COLLECT INTELLIGENCE? >> HAVING BEEN IN A KEY INTELLIGENCE POSITION AND NOW AS SECRETARY...
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| 00:57:45 |
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INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS. >> GENERAL DEMPSEY? >> IT WOULD NOT AFFECT OUR INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS. >> AND IS IT NOT ACCURATE THAT THE RUSSIANS ARE ABOUT
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| 00:57:55 |
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TO SEND THEIR FIFTH MISSION UP INTO THE
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| 00:57:57 |
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ARCTIC THIS SUMMER AND THE
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| 00:58:00 |
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CHINESE ARE CURRENTLY LAYING CLAIMS THAT MAY, IN FACT, IMPINGE ON U.S. INTERESTS AND CLAIMS? MR. SECRETARY? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> GENERAL DEMPSEY?...
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| 00:58:16 |
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THE TREATY, IS IT
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NOT? >> AS
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| 00:58:18 |
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I
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| 00:58:19 |
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SAID, SIR, THE SEATING TO THE CONVENTION WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE ANOTHER INSTRUMENT WITH WHICH TO ENGAGE ANY NATION THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY
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| 00:58:29 |
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THREATEN OUR INTERESTS. >> NOW, MR. SECRETARY, MR. PANETTA, WE HEARD ARGUMENTS ALSO THAT WE DON'T NEED THE TREATY BECAUSE OF CUSTOMARY
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| 00:58:40 |
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INTERNATIONAL LAW GIVES US THE RIGHTS WE NEED. YOU ADDRESSED THIS TO SOME DEGREE. THE WHOLE ISSUE -- I GUESS CODIFYING A PREFERENCE FOR NOT EMBRACING...
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| 00:59:28 |
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WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE IN DIPLOMACY EVERYWHERE WE GO TO ASSERT OUR RIGHTS, THE END RESULT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE CONFLICT AND COULD VERY WELL JEOPARDIZE...
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| 01:00:38 |
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DISCUSSED, AND I THINK YOU HAVE, TOO. THE LACK OF OUR PRESENCE IN THE TREATY IS, IN FACT, THROWN AT US BY VARIOUS QUESTIONS TODAY. AND THEY NEEDLE...
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| 01:01:21 |
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TREATY. WE CANNOT FULLY SECURE OUR SOVEREIGN RIGHTS TO THE VAST RESOURCES OF OUR CONTINENTAL SHELF BEYOND 200 NAUTICAL MILES. WE CANNOT SPONSOR U.S....
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| 01:03:06 |
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BEEN COVERING THE GROUND THAT I'M ABOUT TO COVER AGAIN, BUT LET ME JUST
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| 01:03:11 |
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SAY THAT AGAIN AND AGAIN DURING TESTIMONY IN 2004, 2007, WE HAD A POSITION THAT WAS NOT BEING HEARD, NOT BEING UNDERSTOOD. LET ME INTRODUCE SOME OF...
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| 01:08:18 |
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WITH. THE FACT IS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH A WORLD WITH A MYRIAD OF THREATS. WE'RE NOT JUST DEALING WITH THE SOVIET UNION. WE'RE DEALING WITH A MYRIAD...
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| 01:10:53 |
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| 01:10:55 |
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TRUMAN'S PROCLAMATION OR ANY ACT OF CONGRESS HAS EVER DEFINED THE OUTER EDGE OF THE CONTINENTAL SHELF OF THE UNITED STATES. OTHER COUNTRIES CAN PROHIBIT...
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| 01:11:48 |
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ONE OF THESE ON YOUR BEHALF. I THINK IT IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT TODAY THAN IT WAS THEN. I APPRECIATE ALL OF OUR DISTINGUISHED WITNESSES AND THEIR SERVICE...
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| 01:12:22 |
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THAT YOU TOOK, BOTH IN YOUR SERVICE AS
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| 01:12:25 |
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WELL AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF? >> THERE IS NOT. >> SO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE TREATY CONTINUES YOUR ABILITY TO DEFEND THE UNITED STATES...
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| 01:12:44 |
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AMERICA? IT DOESN'T UNDERMINE
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| 01:12:46 |
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ANY OF THOSE ABILITIES? >> IT PROTECTS OUR ABILITY TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THIS COUNTRY. >> THANK YOU. SECRETARY PANETTA, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS...
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| 01:12:55 |
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THE RIGHTS OR ABILITY OF YOU AS SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
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| 01:12:58 |
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TO PROTECT THE AIR, SEA OR LAND TERRITORY OF THE UNITED STATES OR CONVERSELY, WOULD THE TREATY IMPACT THE ABILITY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF THE DEFENSE OF...
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| 01:13:21 |
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PROTECT OUR CLAIMS. >> IN FACT, DOESN'T THIS TREATY, IF WE WERE TO RATIFY IT, GIVE US THE WHEREWITHAL TO EXTEND OUR REACH TO
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| 01:13:31 |
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A THIRD MORE THAN THE TERRITORY THAT WE HAVE BEYOND THE 200 MILES EXCLUSIVE ZONE, ECONOMIC ZONE? IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. >>...
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| 01:13:48 |
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LASER-LIKE FOCUS. IN RECENT
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| 01:13:50 |
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MONTHS WE'VE HEARD IRAN THREATEN TO CLOSE THE STRAIT OF HORMUS IN RESPONSE TO U.S. AND EUROPEAN SANCTIONS. BEYOND OUR OWN ABILITY TO RESPOND IN THE...
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| 01:14:34 |
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IS
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| 01:14:36 |
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PROLIFERATION OF NARCOTICS TRAFFICKING. CERTAINLY MY CONCERN ABOUT PROLIFERATION OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. WHAT BENEFITS WOULD THE U.S. DE DERIVE...
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| 01:15:22 |
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PRESERVE THE RIGHT OF VISIT, WHICH WOULD HELP -- WHICH WOULD ENHANCE OUR USE OF THE PROLIFERATION SECURITY INITIATIVE. >> DO WE BELIEVE THAT JOINING...
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| 01:15:39 |
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OUR EFFORTS? >> I BELIEVE IT WOULD, SENATOR. JOINING THE CONVENTION WOULD LIKELY STRENGTHEN THE PSI BY ATTRACTING
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| 01:15:50 |
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NEW PARTNERS. >> FINALLY, THIS TREAT YY ALLOWED US ON A TRADITIONAL BASIS SUCH AS THE LIMITS ON THE CONTINENTAL SHELF AND
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| 01:16:08 |
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INTERNATIONAL SEA BED AUTHORITY, THE BODY THAT REGULATES THE EXPLORATION, DEVELOPMENT, EXPLORATION OF INTERNATIONAL AREAS BEYOND NATIONAL JURISDICTION...
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| 01:16:51 |
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CONVENTION AS A HUGE WIN FOR THE UNITED STATES. IT'S CALLED THE U.S. LAND GRAB BECAUSE WHAT IT WOULD MEAN FOR OUR ABILITY TO EXTEND OUR JURISDICTION...
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| 01:18:23 |
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CRITICALLY IN OUR INTEREST AND ALSO ENERGY INTERESTS AND PRIVATE SECTOR INTERESTS AS WELL IN TERMS OF RATIFYING. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? >> THAT'S AN...
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| 01:18:38 |
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THAT BECAUSE OF
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| 01:18:39 |
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GUAM, BECAUSE OF THE HAWAIIAN
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| 01:18:43 |
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ISLANDS AND THE ALUTIANS, NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HAS AS SIGNIFICANT AN EXTENDED ZONE AS WE DO AND WE'RE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT. SENATOR...
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| 01:19:10 |
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YOU ENJOYED ENJOYED YOUR TESTIMONY MORE THAN MOST. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST BECAUSE JANUARY IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER OR NOT BUT YOU SEEM VERY HAPPY...
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| 01:21:12 |
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WARM WELCOME. YOU KNOW, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS AN OPPORTUNITY IN DEVELOPING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY DOING, PARTICULARLY...
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| 01:23:10 |
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IN THE SENATE. THE EPA HAS TAKEN STEPS TO, IN MANY WAYS, MAKE PIECES OF THAT HAPPEN THROUGH REGULATION. ONE THING THAT THE TREATY DOES DO IS REGULATE...
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| 01:24:23 |
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ASSESSMENT, OUR LEGAL ASSESSMENT THAT THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONVENTION THAT COMMITS THE UNITED STATES TO IMPLEMENT ANY COMMITMENTS ON GREENHOUSE GASES....
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| 01:25:06 |
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THIS TREATY IF WE BECAME PARTY TO IT? >> AGAIN, I WILL SUBMIT IT INTO THE RECORD. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT JUST AS WE EXCEED TO CERTAIN TREATIES,
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| 01:25:17 |
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WE CAN END OUR ACCESS ACCESSION OR MEMBERSHIP. >> LASTLY, IS THIS TREATY SUBJECT TO RATIFICATION THAT HAPPENS IN THE SENATE WHEN TREATIES ARE -- THAT...
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| 01:25:39 |
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YES, THAT IS CORRECT. >> THERE'S A LANGS THAT STIPULATES NO CHANGES BUT YOU'RE SAYING
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| 01:25:46 |
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THE SENATE HAS THE ABILITY TO -- >> WE ALWAYS HAVE A
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| 01:25:49 |
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RESOLUTION FOR RATIFICATION THAT IS PREPARED. I THINK THERE WAS ONE PREPARED IN PAST TIMES WHEN IT DIDN'T
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| 01:25:56 |
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GET TO THE FLOOR, BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY PART OF THE PREPARATION WORK LEADING UP TO A POTENTIAL VOTE. >> AND ON THAT NOTE -- AND THIS IS NOT DIRECTED...
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| 01:26:11 |
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TREATY. WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PIECES OF THIS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION OF THE STATE...
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| 01:27:29 |
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JUST WANT TO STATE THAT IN FY-12, THE ADMINISTRATION DID LIVE UP TO THE OBLIGATIONS THAT WE AGREED ON BY REQUESTING $7.629 BILLION IN WEAPONS ACTIVITIES....
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| 01:28:32 |
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REQUEST WAS NOT MADE AND THE RESOLUTION SAYS IF THOSE FUNDING REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT MET IT'S INCUMBENT ON THE ADMINISTRATION TO COME FORTH WITH A REPORT...
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| 01:29:05 |
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YOU, SENATOR CORKER. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, LET ME THANK ALL OUR WITNESSES. I FOUND THEIR PRESENTATIONS TO BE AS
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| 01:29:20 |
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COMPREHENSIVE A PRESENTATION AS I'VE EVER
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| 01:29:22 |
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RECEIVED ON THE TREATY AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THANK YOU FOR PARTICULARLY ADDRESSING THE CRITICISMS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT THIS TREATY. OF...
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| 01:30:59 |
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DEMARCATING, ASSERTING SOVEREIGN JURISDICTION OVER CONTINENTAL SHELF, THAT IS ONGOING. COUNTRIES ARE DOING THAT, AS HAS BEEN ALREADY SAID, WE STAND...
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| 01:32:50 |
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INTERNATIONALLY WITH GREAT IMPORTANCE BECAUSE IT ADDS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE NATURE OF THE ORGANIZATION. AND YOU MENTIONED THE ARCTIC AREA, WITHOUT HAVING...
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| 01:33:58 |
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THE TREATY WOULD BE ADVERSE TO OUR INTERESTS AND SO WE HAVE A LOT AT STAKE. WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED A LOT IN IT. I THINK MOST OF THE WORLD WANTS TO SEE...
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| 01:34:47 |
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OUR NATO PARTNERS TO CARRY OUT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR INTERNATIONAL SECURITY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS NOT...
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| 01:35:28 |
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PLANS. WE DEVELOP MILITARY OPERATIONS. WE DEVELOP NAVAL OPERATIONS, WORKING WITH THEM AS WELL. AND IF WE ARE NOT OPERATING BASED ON THE SAME RULES,...
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| 01:36:46 |
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TO WHY WE'VE TAKEN SO LONG AND WHY WE HAVE NOT, IN FACT, RATIFIED THE TREATY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR. SENATOR...
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| 01:37:01 |
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OPENING STATEMENT, YOU
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| 01:37:03 |
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ADDRESSED THE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE THE RATIFICATION OF THE TREATY. AND PARTICULARLY SPOKE TO THE IDEOLOGY AND THE PHILOSOPHICAL OPPOSITION THAT SOME...
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| 01:40:07 |
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OF MY ADULT LIFE, IN WHATEVER ROLE I HAVE FOUND MYSELF IN, DEFENDING AND ARGUING ON BEHALF OF OUR COUNTRY AND OUR RIGHTS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO...
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| 01:42:00 |
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REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN CONFORMANCE WITH ANYTHING ADOPTED BY A COMMON INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION. LET'S TURN TO ANOTHER PROVISION I HAVE REAL DIFFICULTY...
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| 01:43:34 |
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CONTRADICTION. IT DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR OR AUTHORIZE TAXATION OF INDIVIDUALS, CORPORATIONS OR OTHERWISE. THERE IS A ROYALTY ARRANGEMENT THAT KICKS IN...
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| 01:45:53 |
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DON'T LIKE US, MANY OF WHOM HATE US. AND US HAVING ONE VOTE AMONGST 160, I THINK WE'LL HAVE A TOUGH TIME. THANK YOU. >> BUT, SENATOR, IT'S A CONSENSUS,...
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| 01:46:09 |
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NOT EVERY COUNTRY WILL BE REPRESENTED ON THIS BODY, BUT THE UNITED STATES WILL BE. >> ON THIS PARTICULAR PROVISION, BUT THERE'S OTHERS IN HERE WHERE...
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| 01:46:23 |
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SENATOR, THERE'S A VETO WITH RESPECT TO THE DISTRIBUTION OF ANY MONEY
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| 01:46:30 |
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WHATSOEVER. I THINK AS WE GO FORWARD IN THIS, WE WILL HAVE THE LEGAL EXPERTS WHO WILL DEFINE PRECISELY HOW THAT WORKS, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL...
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| 01:46:47 |
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| 01:46:49 |
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THE SHELL PLY IS ONLY WITH RESPECT TO, IF YOU HAVE ALREADY SIPEGNED UP TO AN INTERNATIONAL LAW THAT APPLIES RP TO THAT. SO, IN FACT, IT'S NOT AN AD...
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| 01:47:16 |
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IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, AND WE OBVIOUSLY WANT YOU TO -- >> NO
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| 01:47:19 |
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QUESTION. >> AND WE WANT YOU TO BE SATISFIED WITH RESPECT TO THAT AND I BELIEVE YOU WILL BE. >> BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT DONE THAT
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| 01:47:26 |
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| 01:47:27 |
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WAY. SENATOR BOXER IS BACK. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. FORGIVE
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| 01:47:30 |
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ME, PLEASE. I HAD TO GO DEAL WITH THE TRANSPORTATION BILL. AND THAT'S MOVING AHEAD VERY
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| 01:47:36 |
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WELL, I WILL TELL ME COLLEAGUES ON BOTH SIDES. WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND SENATOR LUGAR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS IMPORTANT HEARING AND I WANT TO SAY TO...
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| 01:51:38 |
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ENGAGED IN MANY BILATERAL AND MULTILATERAL DISCUSSIONS ON SOUTH CHINA SEA ISSUES, AND THE CLAIMS THAT CHINA HAVE MADE, AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING...
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| 01:53:34 |
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IRANIAN THREATS TO CLOSE THE STRAITS
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| 01:53:36 |
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OF HORMUZ. YOU ALLUDED TO THAT, BUT I HAD A SPECIFIC QUESTION. APRIL ACCORDING TO THE U.S. ENERGY ADMINISTRATION THEY SAID "HORMUZ IS BY FAR THE WORLD'S...
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| 01:54:25 |
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IS UNDER LAW OF THE SEAS. THERE IS AN INTERNATIONAL PASSAGEWAY THAT IS ALLOWED SO THAT SHIPS CAN CARRY OIL THROUGH THE STRAITS. AND IT IS -- IT GIVES...
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| 01:55:27 |
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INHOFE
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| 01:55:29 |
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MAY I JUST SAS,Y, MENTION TO SENATOR RITSCH. WE WANT TO WORK CLOSELY WITH SENATORS INHOFE AND OTHER WHOSE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS OR RESERVEATIONS ABOUT...
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| 01:56:08 |
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ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THE RATIFICATION OF THE LAW OF THE SEA TREATY, WHICH I AM. SO I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH, AND I REMEMBER SO WELL BACK IN 2004...
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| 02:03:39 |
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IS, THIS IS MONEY I'VE DOCUMENTED PRETTY WELL, GENERAL DEMPSEY, THAT WOULD BE THERE AND WOULD BE LOST TO, THROUGH THIS
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| 02:03:45 |
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PROCESS. NOW, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO -- ON THESE FIVE ISSUES. YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THEM AND KNOW THEY'VE BEEN KWECHTED. YOU KNOW THERE IS...
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| 02:04:13 |
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MY ABILITY TO PROVIDE SECURITY IN THE MARITIME DOMAIN. >> SECRETARY PANETTA? >> I SHARE, OBVIOUSLY, THE CHAIRMAN'S VIEWPOINT WITH REGARDS WHY WE CONSIDER...
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| 02:04:28 |
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I WOULD ASK YOU,
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| 02:04:30 |
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SENATOR, I KNOW YOU'VE COME UP WITH THE $70 MILLION. >> IT'S BILLION. >> OR BILLION. >> UH-HUH. >> BUT WHAT ABOUT THE -- LITERALLY, THE BILLIONS OF...
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| 02:04:41 |
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ECONOMIC BENEFIT
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| 02:04:42 |
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THAT WOULD FLOW FROM THESE
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| 02:04:45 |
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COMPANIES PROVIDING ENERGY AND BEING ABLE TO GO AT OUR SEA -- AND PROVIDE THAT PART OF THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO FOCUS...
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| 02:05:10 |
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IS THE CONTROVERSIAL AREA THAT I DESCRIBED. I THINK IN A VERY EXACT WAY. SO IF BEEN DOING IT BEFORE WITH BILATERAL TREATIES WITH CHINA. BILATERAL TREATIES...
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| 02:05:39 |
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RESPECT, THERE IS NO WAY TO CONTEMPLATE WHAT YOU'VE JUST CONTEMPLATED IN TERMS OF A NUSH. FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS NO DRILLING IN THE EXTENDED SHELF....
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| 02:06:13 |
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| 02:06:15 |
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AS TO WHERE OUR HOW IT MAY BE SPENT. >> AND RONALD REAGAN OPPOSED THIS IN THIS LAST EFFORT, AS YOU WELL KNOW. >> SENATOR, I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT...
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| 02:06:54 |
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IS, WELL, WE'LL HEAR FROM GEORGE SHULTZ AND SOME OF THESE
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| 02:06:58 |
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PEOPLE, BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS TO RECOGNIZE, I MEAN, YOU'RE HERE ON PROTECTING COMPANIES FROM PAYING A ROYALTY THAT THEY WANT TO PAY. YOU'RE HERE...
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| 02:07:23 |
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A SUBJECT -- >> WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS. THEY CAN'T DO IT, BECAUSE THERE IS NO BILATERAL TREATY THAT CAN APPLY TO THE EXTENDED SHELF. IT IS
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| 02:07:31 |
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ONLY UP THROUGH THE INTERNATIONAL RULES THAT COME THROUGH THE LAW OF THE SEA THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. SO UNLESS YOU HAVE THIS IN PLACE, NO COMPANY IS GOING...
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| 02:08:24 |
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HERE. GENERAL DEMPSEY, AND IN AN ATLANTIC COUNCIL FORUM EARLIER KNISS MONTH YOU SAID THE CONSEQUENCE "GIVES US AT FRAMEWORK TO COUNTER EXCESSIVE CLAIMS...
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| 02:09:07 |
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THE RISE OF REGIONAL POWERS LIKE CHINA AND INDIA, WOULD PLACE EXTRAORDINARILY CHALLENGING DEMANDS FOE ROAR SOURCES,FOR RESOURCES. HERE WE ARE 20 YEARS...
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| 02:09:52 |
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A, AN INTERESTING MAP TO SHOW WHAT CHINA'S LOOKING AT VERSUS OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE REGION, BUT ARE WE SEEING, IN FACT, THOSE KINDS OF CLAIMS FROM...
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| 02:10:23 |
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MORE PRONOUNCED, AND COULD POTENTIALLY BECOME FAR MORE DANGEROUS. THAT'S TRUE NOT JUST IN THE SOUTH CHINA SAPP BUT TRUE IN THE ARCTIC AND BEING PART...
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| 02:10:56 |
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THE TREATY, BUT I WANT TO REPEAT TO YOU SOMETHING FROM A LETTER THAT I GOT FROM A CONSTITUENT. AND ASK YOU, IF YOU COULD RESPOND TO IT. IT SAYS, AND...
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| 02:11:45 |
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IT EVOLVE, AND IT IS SUBJECT TO INDIVIDUAL INTERPRETATIONS. SO THREADING THIS BACK TO MY EARLIER ANSWER, THE RISE OF -- OF NEW NATIONS COMPETING FOR...
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| 02:13:17 |
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THE TREATY, AND ONE OF THE AREAS YOU MENTIONED WAS THE ARCTIC THAT WE'RE THE ONLY ARCTIC NATION THAT HASN'T RATCHET PHIED THE TREATY. IP WOULD POINT...
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| 02:14:16 |
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AS WELL AS ECONOMIC COMPETITION ARE GOING TO BE PLAYED OUT. THE LARGEST SINGLE PORTION OF THE U.S. EXTENDED CONTINENTAL SHELF IS IN THE ARCTIC, AND...
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| 02:15:51 |
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CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU, SENATOR SHEEHAN. IT'S AN APPROPRIATE MOMENT TO PLACE
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| 02:15:55 |
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IN THE RECORD SINCE WE'RE PUTTING A RECORD TOGETHER HERE,
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| 02:15:57 |
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A LETTER FROM THE COMMANDER OF
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| 02:16:00 |
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THE UNITED STATES NORTHERN COMMAND, GENERAL JAKEBY. TO -- THE LETTER MYSELF, AND THE COMMANDER STATES, NATIONAL SECURITY IS DEPENDENT ON COOPERATIVE...
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| 02:17:10 |
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TODAY. THE FACT IS THAT MOST OF THE TESTIMONY TODAY DEALT WITH NAVIGATION ISSUES. AND THINGS THAT AFFECT THE NAVY AND THE WATERS AROUND THE WORLD. THAT'S...
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| 02:22:03 |
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PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD WANT TO HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE IN THE TREATY YOU SEE OUR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT OR OUR ACTIVEITY IS LIMITED, BECAUSE...
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| 02:22:31 |
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ON A RULES-BASED SYSTEM AND THEN I HEAR THE TREATY ALLOWS US ON A MILITARY OR DEFENSE FRONT TO COMPLETELY OPT OUT OF THIS THING ANY TIME WE WANT. SO...
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| 02:23:00 |
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OF NAVIGATION, RIGHT NOW THE DESCRIPTION OF MARITIME ZONES AND THE FREEDOMS OF NAVIGATION, OR THE RIGHTS OF NAVIGATION, ARE CODIFIED IN INTERNATIONAL...
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| 02:23:44 |
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THE SEA TRADE. THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES. OR AT LEAST ARBITRARILY INTERPRETING THEM. WHAT'S DIFFERENT IF WE'RE IN IT? WILL THEY NOW ABIDE BY...
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| 02:24:15 |
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IS,
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| 02:24:17 |
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IS WHETHER OR NOT A SEATS AT THIS CONVENTION GIVES US THE BEST OF THE BOTH WORLD. PROTECT OURSELVES, CONDUCT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IN TERMS OF OUR ABILITY...
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| 02:25:05 |
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THAT'S RESERVED FOR US IN THE
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| 02:25:09 |
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SEA BED MINING TABLE, AND TO BE CLEAR, SENATOR, ANY ASSEMBLY DECISION, YOU REFERENCED THAT, HAS TO GO THROUGH THE COUNCIL. WE HAVE A PERMANENT SEAT ON...
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| 02:26:37 |
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BUT THE -- THE -- VETO, YOU ARE YECTCORRECT, IS NOT WITHIN THE ASSEMBLY, BUT THERE IS A RESTRICTION SPECIFICALLY DEFINED WITHIN THE TREATY AS TO WHAT...
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| 02:26:40 |
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| 02:27:24 |
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ON THE COUNCIL OF THE -- >> WELL, YOU KNOW, A
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| 02:27:40 |
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LOT OF MEMBER
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| 02:27:42 |
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STATES AND 160 OF THEM ARE
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| 02:27:45 |
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TECHNICALLY WITHIN AN ALL-MEMBER BODY, BUT ALL
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| 02:27:48 |
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THE IMPORTANT DECISIONS ARE MADE BY THE COUNCIL, AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THIS CONVENTION WHICH SAYS THAT -- >> I'M SPEAKING OF THE COUNCIL....
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| 02:28:05 |
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WE HAVE A VETO, THEY HAVE A VETO. IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK INTO. AGAIN, THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME THEORETICAL...
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| 02:28:42 |
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THAT THEY COULD BE DOING SOMETHING AND THEREFORE WIND UP WITH GRIDLOCK AND THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE THE UNITED STATES SENATE, OR CONGRESS. BUT THE FACT...
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| 02:29:02 |
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AND
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| 02:29:04 |
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SO WE STAND IN A VERY SPECIAL STATUS THAT WE ARE NOT CURRENTLY ABLE TO EXERCISE, AND I THINK WITH RESPECT TO THE SENATOR'S FEARS, AND OTHER FEARS, WHAT...
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| 02:29:38 |
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RIGHT TO PROTECT OUR INTERESTS,
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| 02:29:39 |
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I THINK WHAT THE SENATOR AND OTHERS HAVE RAISED AS AN ISSUE IS, THEY DON'T WANT MONEY GOING TO DICTATORS. THEY DON'T WANT MONEY GOING TO BAD ACTOR COUNTRIES....
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| 02:30:29 |
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SEND SENATOR KERRY AND SENATOR LUGAR URGING TO MOVE FORWARD AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOUR BROAD AND SEARCHING AND SUPPORTIVE TESTIMONY HERE TODAY. WHEN...
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| 02:33:57 |
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PABLT ABILITY TO NAVIGATE. IT WON'T DETERIORATE. OUR ABILITY TO PROJECT FORCE WILL NOT DETERIORATE. WHAT COULD CAUSE, IF WE DO NOT RATIFY OVER TIME...
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| 02:34:32 |
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AS IT WERE, UNILATERALLY CHOOSING NOT TO USE ONE POTENTIAL TOOL FOR OUR NATIONAL DEFENSE? >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT PHRASEOLOGY. >> AND SECRETARY...
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| 02:34:45 |
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SENATOR, LET ME JUSTIC MA THE POINT.
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| 02:34:50 |
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DIDN'T
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| 02:34:51 |
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DOES PUMTT US AT RISK AND THE RISK
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| 02:34:53 |
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IS THIS. THAT IF WE FACE A SITUATION THAT INVOLVES NAVIGATIONAL RIGHTS, IF WE ARE NOT A PARTY TO THIS TREATY, AND CAN'T DEAL WITH IT AT THE TABLE,...
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| 02:35:21 |
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THE SOUTH CHINA SEA BY CHINA AND OTHERS, IN YOUR VIEW, DOES THIS PUT OUR ALLIES AT ANY RISK IN TERMS OF THEIR CONFIDENCE ABOUT OUR WILLINGNESS AND...
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| 02:35:45 |
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CONVENTION. THEY'RE A PART OF IT, AND THEY HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY WE AREN'T THERE AT THE TABLE ALONGSIDE OF THEM. MAKING THE ARGUMENTS...
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| 02:36:33 |
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VOTED FOR THECONVENTION. THEN GOVERNOR SARAH PALIN. IT WOULD EXTEND OUR REACH AND PROVIDE PREDICTABILITY FOR INVESTMENT FOR OIL AND GAS EXTRACTION,...
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| 02:37:26 |
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LINES. WE KNOW THERE ARE NATURAL RESOURCES THAT ARE LIKELY TO BE EXPLOITABLE, IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. AND SO I THINK, SENATOR, THE -- YOU...
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| 02:38:33 |
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IN LISTENING TO THE TESTIMONY, READING THE BACKGROUND MATERIALS AND REFLECTING ON IT HOW A FIGHT OVER SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THIS TREATY THAT WAS...
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| 02:39:10 |
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US TODAY. I AM ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAS CONCERNS WITH THIS TREATY, AND I ASSURE YOU THAT
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| 02:39:15 |
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MY CONCERNS ARE ROOTED IN SOMETHING MORE THAN MYTHOLOGY. THEY'RE ROOTED IN SOMETHING MORE THAN AN EDITORIAL PAGE. THEY ARE ROOTED FIRST AND FOREMOST...
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| 02:42:22 |
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IMPOSE ANY OBLIGATIONS ON THE UNITED STATES OR OTHERWISE DEAL WITH SUBSTANCE MUST GO THROUGH THE COUNCIL. THE SECRETARIAT HAS NO DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY....
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| 02:45:32 |
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ADMINISTRATION. AS I READ -- AS I, TOO, AM A RECOVERING LAWYER, WE HAVE TO CALL OURSELVES RECOVERING RATHER THAN CURED OR EX-LAWYER, AS I READ THIS,...
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| 02:47:15 |
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THE CONVENTION BUT WE ALSO BELIEVE, SENATOR, THAT CONCERNS SUCH AS THESE ARE NOT ONLY GOING TO BE PROPERLY VETTED IN THE SERIES OF HEARINGS BUT CERTAINLY...
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| 02:48:03 |
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THE ANNEX. AT THAT POINT, IF THIS IS A RATIFIED TREATY, ARGUABLY OUR COURTS WOULD BE BOUND TO ENFORCE THE JUDGMENTS OF AN INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL CONVENED...
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| 02:48:36 |
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ARBITRATION AND THE ARBITRATION IS ACTUALLY LIMITED. BUT I SEE YOU'RE READY TO LEAVE? >> WELL, YES, SO ARBITRATION. WE GET TWO ARBITRATORS AND THE OTHER...
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| 02:48:53 |
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COME TO AN AGREEMENT AS TO THE FIFTH, THEN THAT PERSON IS CHOSEN, I BELIEVE, BY THE SECRETARY-GENERAL. >> BUT LIMITED TO WHAT IT IS. WE'RE GOING TO...
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| 02:49:09 |
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GOING TO SUBJECT OURSELVES -- THIS EXERCISE IS NOT TO DIMINISH OUR SOVEREIGNTY, IT'S TO GROW OUR SOVEREIGNTY. WE BELIEVE THIS TREATY IN ITS WHOLE WILL...
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| 02:50:57 |
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OF YOU. I THINK THIS HAS BEEN
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| 02:51:00 |
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A TERRIFIC OPENING ENGAGEMENT. I APPRECIATE, OBVIOUSLY, THE FOCUS OF EVERYBODY ON IT. I'M CONFIDENT THESE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED GOING FORWARD. ...
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