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DISCUSSING THE PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS ON CIVIL RIGHTS. THIS PROGRAM IS JUST OVER ONE HOUR. >> SO, IF WE COULD HAVE YOUR ATTENTION. WE'LL NOW GO TO OUR...
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| 00:00:34 |
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KENNEDY AND LYNDON JOHNSON. >> ALL RIGHT. SO NOW IT IS AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. AND REMEMBERING THAT WE'RE
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| 00:00:45 |
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HONORING TWO PRESIDENTS. GEORGE WASHINGTON AND ABRAHAM LINCOLN. HERE IS SOMETHING FROM ABRAHAM LINCOLN THAT SEEMS FIT THIS AFTERNOON. THE PROBABILITY...
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| 00:02:58 |
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DECIDED. IT HAS BEEN UNEVENLY ENFORCED. THE LITTLE ROCK CRISIS. REALLY NOBODY KNEW WHETHER OR WHEN OR HOW SCHOOL DESEGREGATION WOULD HAPPEN IN THE...
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| 00:05:11 |
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ISSUES OF CIVIL RIGHTS. SOME OF THIS THAT WAS GOING ON THAT KENNETH MACK HAS DESCRIBED AFTER EISENHOWER'S PRESIDENCY. HOW DID HE DO THAT AND HOW DID...
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| 00:05:42 |
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FOREIGN POLICY GROUNDS. ALTHOUGH HE HAD SUPPORTED THE JURY TRIAL AMENDMENT IN 1957 OF THE FIRST CIVIL RIGHTS ACT SINCE RECONSTRUCTION. HE WAS IN TROUBLE,...
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| 00:06:43 |
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THE EXECUTIVE ORDER
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| 00:06:46 |
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ELIMINATING DISCRIMINATION IN FEDERALLY-ASSISTED HOUSING THAT THE CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSION HAD RECOMMENDED AND WAS SITTING ON EISENHOWER'S DESK FOR SIX...
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| 00:11:45 |
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YOU TO CHARACTERIZE IT. >>
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| 00:11:48 |
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I CAME IN DUE COURSE TO
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| 00:11:53 |
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REALIZE THAT WHAT MANY THOUGHT WAS WEAKNESS OR
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| 00:11:59 |
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UNREADINESS. >> GRADUALISM. >> GRADUALISM, ET CETERA. AL SHARPTON INTERVIEW ON "CHRIS
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| 00:12:08 |
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MATTHEWS" SAID YOUR BOOK CONVINCED ME I WAS
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| 00:12:10 |
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WRONG. HE WAS JUST A GRADUALIST AND DID NOT HAVE COMMITMENT TO CIVIL RIGHTS. I RECOMMEND HIS BOOK BECAUSE JUST LOOKING AT IT CLEANLY NOW FROM THE DEMOCRATIC...
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| 00:13:02 |
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TO ROGER FOR A SECOND TO TALK ABOUT IT. IF YOU
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| 00:13:07 |
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COULD PULL TOGETHER THE MIDDLE OF THE THREAD. KENNETH IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S
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| 00:13:12 |
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HAPPENING. THERE IS AN ONGOING -- I WOULD SAY PERSISTENT THOUGHT THAT KENNEDY CAME LATE TO CIVIL RIGHTS. DESPITE WHAT HE MAY HAVE SAID ON THE CAMPAIGN...
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| 00:13:49 |
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| 00:13:50 |
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A -- YOU COULDN'T BE BLACK AND ALIVE AFTER ERNIE AND HIS SCHOOL MATES AND OTHER BLACK YOUNGSTERS IN THE SOUTH ON FREEDOM RIDES AND THEY ARE GETTING...
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| 00:13:55 |
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NEVER SUPPORTED A REPUBLICAN. I'M A DEMOCRAT ALL THE WAY. WHEN I GOT TO WASHINGTON, THERE WAS A SENSE THAT I HAD THAT MANY OF THE WHITE GUYS WHO WERE...
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| 00:21:22 |
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INTO THE CONVERSATION CONVERSATION. YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE APPOINTMENT OF FEDERAL JUDGES. WHEREAS, AN EISENHOWER WORKED VERY CAREFULLY TO MAKE...
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| 00:22:05 |
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BROWN LEFT WHEN HE HEARD HAROLD COX'S NAME. WHEN KENNEDY COMES IN, COX GETS APPOINTED. COX WAS PROBABLY THE WORST OF THE LOT, BUT THERE WERE MANY LIKE...
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| 00:25:07 |
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AND IT'S YOUR PARTY AND YOUR PRESIDENT, YOU'RE IN A TERRIBLE MESS. AND SO YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. AND IT IS TO POINT OUT TO THE PRESIDENT...
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| 00:27:29 |
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I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THAT CHANGED SOME
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| 00:27:31 |
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| 00:27:32 |
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STUFF. AND
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| 00:27:37 |
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ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WHAT THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET WERE DOING AND THEIR DEMANDS AND THEIR PRESSURE AND THEIR ENLIGHTENING. IN PARTICULAR THE...
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| 00:28:09 |
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CONVERSATION OF STREETS VERSUS COURT. YOU HAVE TOLD
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| 00:28:14 |
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US WHAT IS HAPPENING LEGISLATIVELY. HARRIS WOFFORD HAS TOLD US THE SAME KIND OF THING. LET ME EXPLAIN WHO ELIZABETH ECKFORD IS. SHE WAS ONE OF THE...
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| 00:29:18 |
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TO THAT POINT JOHN F. KENNEDY TELLS THE STORY. >> THANK YOU, CALLIE. I'D SORT OF LIKE TO PICK UP WHERE ROGER LEFT OFF, BECAUSE AS I LISTENED TO ALL OF...
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| 00:29:36 |
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WAS GOING ON INSIDE, I KEPT THINKING ABOUT THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN THIS AUDIENCE, AND I WANT TO SAY TO THEM, THAT IT WAS YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO CHANGED...
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| 00:39:29 |
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SCHISMS. BECAUSE YOU HAD COURAGEOUS BLACK PEOPLE HO
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| 00:39:32 |
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HAD BEEN FIGHTING FOR GENERATIONS FOR EQUALITY. BUT YOU ALSO HAD THOSE WHO HAD BEEN TORMENTED AND BEATEN AND KILLED AND ALL KINDS OF -- WHEN THEY LOOKED...
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| 00:40:34 |
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RIGHTS LEGISLATION THROUGH. AND YOU'VE MENTIONED THE FREEDOM RIDERS AND THEIR INCREDIBLE STORY. BUT I WANT TO BROAD BEEN OUT THE QUESTION IN THIS WAY....
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| 00:41:24 |
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TO BE REMOVED OR MOVED. AND CHARLAYNE, I WANT TO READ THE BOOK. I'M SURE I'LL LOVE IT. >> OH, YOU WILL. >> I RECOMMEND YOU READ
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| 00:41:42 |
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IT. >> YOU CAN BUY HER BOOK. >> I WILL BUY IT. >> OKAY. >>
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| 00:41:50 |
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THE
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| 00:41:51 |
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DOCUMENTARY ON AMERICAN EXPERIENCE DOCUMENTARY THAT'S BEEN SHOWN AND RE-SHOWN RECENTLY -- >> THE FREEDOM RIDERS IS BY STAN LE NELSON. YOU SHOULD...
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| 00:41:53 |
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| 00:42:05 |
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| 00:42:10 |
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LOOKED TO HIS BROTHER, ROBERT. HIS BROTHER, ROBERT, BY THE WAY, LIKED VERY MUCH DEALING WITH THE UNCLE OF ROGER WILKINS, WHO -- WHEN I WENT TO SEE THE...
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| 00:43:14 |
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HONEST, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE ONE PERSON WHO I THINK
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| 00:43:16 |
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HAS FIRE IN HIS BELLY, BECAUSE OF WHAT HE'S SEEN IN THE SOUTH, TO END IT, IS LYNDON JOHNSON. AND THEN HE SAID, BUT DON'T WORRY, HE SAID, MY WIFE IS...
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| 00:44:36 |
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SIT-INS. IT'S THE FOUR LITTLE GIRLS IN BIRMINGHAM BEING KILLED. IT HAD
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| 00:44:41 |
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AN ENORMOUS IMPACT. IT'S THE FIRE HOSES AND THE BIRMINGHAM EXPERIENCE. ALL OF THAT CHANGED THEM FROM NOT HAVING CIVIL RIGHTS AS A TOP PRIORITY. JOHN...
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| 00:46:24 |
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TOO. >> I'LL LET YOU
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| 00:46:25 |
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SAY
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| 00:46:26 |
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IT. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I'VE GOT
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| 00:46:28 |
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TO MOVE THIS, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT QUESTIONS HERE. I NEED TO GET A COUPLE OF CONCLUSIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE HERE SO PEOPLE CAN
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| 00:46:34 |
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FOLLOW THIS. ONE IS THAT, SO WHAT YOU HAVE SAID IS HE CAME CUMULATIVELY, AFTER ALL THESE INCIDENTS HAPPENED FROM FOREIGN AFFAIRS AS HIS PRIORITY....
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| 00:46:53 |
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UNDERSTAND, THAT AFTER
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| 00:46:54 |
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THE BRUTALITY WAS MADE ON THE FREEDOM RIDERS, IS WHEN HE MADE THE SPEECH TO AMERICA, THIS IS A MORAL ISSUE. THE FIRST TIME A PRESIDENT SAID THAT. THIS...
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| 00:47:19 |
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EXHIBITISM OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE AND SOME OF THE OLDER ONES, BUT IT WAS ALSO MEDIA. AND THIS IS WHAT -- AND YOU SEE IT GOES BACK TO THIS FOREIGN THING....
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| 00:49:19 |
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IN PASSING, IS THAT TO SAY THAT WHEN HE PUSHED THE CIVIL RIGHTS IN 1964 LEGISLATION THROUGH -- >> JOHNSON YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? >> NO, KENNEDY. AND...
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| 00:49:33 |
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FORWARD THE
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| 00:49:34 |
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1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT, AND THE '64 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, HE HAD TEED IT UP, IN OTHER WORDS, AT THAT POINT, BASED ON HIS CALM LA TIFF UNDERSTANDING OF...
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| 00:50:06 |
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DON'T BE ON A STAGE WITH COLORED WOMEN. [ LAUGHTER ] BUT THE POINT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS, THAT FROM INSIDE, I DON'T TELL THE STORY OFTEN, BUT ...
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| 00:54:31 |
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RIGHTS CAMPAIGN. HE IS NOW CONGRESSMAN JOHN LEWIS, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS HERE, BEGINNING WITH PROFESSOR MACK. YOU NOTED...
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| 00:55:04 |
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FROM BOSTON. NEEDLESS TO SAY, IT WAS A PLACE WHERE THERE WERE MANY WHITE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT COMFORTABLE AROUND BLACK PEOPLE. THAT WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT....
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| 00:57:04 |
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KENNEDY WAS ENORMOUS. MADE ENORMOUS BY THE MURDER OF HIS BROTHER. HE REALLY BECAME A DIFFERENT KIND OF PERSON. AND THE ONE THING I'LL SAY, AS I SAID...
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| 00:58:38 |
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ARE PUSHING THE ISSUES, I.E., THE GAN DIS, AS THOSE CHAMPIONING AS THOSE YOU WOULD WANT THEM TO? >> THE ANSWER IS YES. I WAS PRESENT WHEN KENNEDY --...
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| 00:59:08 |
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MOVE NEEDED TO BE MADE, AND HE SAID, I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY. NOW GO OUT AND FORCE ME TO DO IT. >> THAT'S A GOOD ONE. >> KENNEDY DIDN'T SAY THAT....
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| 00:59:22 |
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NOT BE INTRODUCING CIVIL RIGHTS
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| 00:59:24 |
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LEGISLATION IN THE FIRST CONGRESS, CONTRARY TO THE PLATFORM. AND IT WAS A MAJOR MOMENT. AND FOR A LONG TIME THEY ARGUED ROAM REASONABLY. ROY WILKINS...
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| 01:01:59 |
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THOUGHT I WAS ROY'S KID. THEY DIDN'T
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| 01:02:01 |
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KNOW ROY DIDN'T HAVE ANY KIDS, AND THAT I WAS ROY'S NEPHEW. SO THEY'D SEND MESSAGES TO ROY. AND I HAVE TO SAY, JOHNSON TRIED IT, TOO. AND THEY CAME...
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| 01:04:03 |
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OKAY. BEFORE WE END, AND WE'RE AT THE END, AND THAT IS, IS IT FAIR OR ACCURATE THEN THAT LYNDON JOHNSON RECEIVES, I WOULD SAY MOST OF THE CREDIT...
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| 01:04:35 |
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CHRIS MATTHEWS' BOOK, I RECOMMEND YOU'LL SEE THAT HE STRESSES HOW IRISH HE WAS. IT WAS NOT SOUTHERN LEGISLATORS PRIMARILY THAT SLOWED THEM, OR MADE...
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| 01:05:01 |
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ACT, HE SAID SOMETHING LIKE, WE DEMOCRATS HAVE LOST THE
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| 01:05:06 |
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SOUTH FOR THE NEXT 20 -- OR THREE GENERATIONS. LYNDON KNEW WHAT IT WAS LIKE IN THE SOUTH. THE KENNEDYS WERE SCARED, AND SOUTH BOSTON'S REACTION TO...
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| 01:06:11 |
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YOU TO BE BRIEF. >> RECAP YOUR QUESTION. >> IS IT FAIR AND ACCURATE, OR ACCURATE OR BOTH, THAT LYNDON JOHNSON PRETTY MUCH GETS THE CREDIT FOR BEING
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| 01:06:21 |
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THE CIVIL
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| 01:06:23 |
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RIGHTS PRESIDENT ON LEGISLATION, OR THAT WAS TEED UP BY THE KENNEDYS, SOME WOULD SAY? >> WHEN LYNDON JOHNSON BECAME PRESIDENT, IT HAPPENED THAT MY UNCLE...
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| 01:06:37 |
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WASHINGTON. AND HE SAID, THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD. I SAID, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD? OLD SOUTHERN GUY, HE TALKS...
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| 01:07:36 |
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MACK? >> I WOULD SAY IT'S FAIR, BUT I WOULD SAY FOR SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT
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| 01:07:40 |
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REASONS.
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| 01:07:43 |
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JOHNSON WAS A POLITICAL
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| 01:07:45 |
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PRAGMATIST LIKE KENNEDY. AND I DON'T THINK THAT IF JOHNSON HAD GOTTEN THE NOMINATION IN 1960, THAT HE WOULD HAVE MOVED WITH ANY MORE DISPATCH WITH...
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| 01:09:27 |
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VOICE TO BE THE LAST ON THIS. I WANT YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTION FROM THE
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| 01:09:30 |
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AUDIENCE. THIS PERSON WRITES, I READ YOUR BOOK MANY YEARS AGO AND WAS MOVED BY YOUR STORY. HOW DID WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU SHAPE YOUR DECISION IN YEARS...
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| 01:09:48 |
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NO, IT SHAPED ME -- I COULDN'T BE AN ACTIVIST AS A JOURNALIST, BUT I COULD BE A PASSIONATE REPORTER FOR THE THINGS THAT I WAS SEEING, AND AT THE TIME...
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