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THE ORGANIZATION OF AMERICAN HISTORIANS MEETING IN MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN. IT'S JUST UNDER 30 MINUTES. >> AMERICAN HISTORY TV IS AT THE ANNUAL MEETING...
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ALAN TAYLOR FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-DAVIS AND NICOLE EUSTACE WHO TEACHES HISTORY AT NEW YORK UNIVERSITY. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. YOU'RE...
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POPULATION. THE POPULATION IN 1812 WAS ABOUT 7.2 MILLION PEOPLE AND IT HAD NEARLY DOUBLED IN THE 20 YEARS SINCE THE FIRST CENSUS IN 1790. A LITTLE BIT...
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| 00:01:50 |
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THAT IN A MINUTE. THE TITLE OF YOUR BOOK AND TITLE OF YOUR BOOK YOU REFER TO WAR OF 1812 AS A CIVIL WAR. SET THE SCENE FOR US IN 1812. WHAT WAS THE...
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| 00:02:12 |
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THE BRITISH AND AMERICAN PEOPLES HAD NOT BEEN DISTINGUISHED IN A WAY THEY HAVE NOW TWO CENTURIES LATER. AMERICANS MIGRATED INTO CANADA BY THE THOUSANDS...
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REASONS. ONE IS THEY WERE MEDDLING WITH AMERICAN SHIPPING ON THE
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| 00:02:58 |
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HIGH SEAS AND THEN THEY WERE ALSO ALIGNING WITH NATIVE PEOPLES TO THE WEST. AMERICANS PERSUADED THEMSELVES THAT AN INVASION OF CANADA WOULD AT THE VERY...
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| 00:03:41 |
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INDIAN ALLIES." "BRITISH SUSPECTS." THEY WERE CERTAINLY NOT PART OF THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR. >> ACTUALLY, NATIVE PEOPLE WERE A PART OF THE REVOLUTIONARY...
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REVOLUTION. THE UNITED STATES HAD SOME NATIVE ALLIES. IN MANY WAYS THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT STRUGGLE. >> PROFESSOR EUSTACE, IS IT FAIR TO LOOK...
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WAS AND IN OTHER RESPECTS IT WASN'T BUT IT WAS SORT OF SPUN THAT
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| 00:04:21 |
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WAY. ONE OF THE FIRST PRIMARY SOURCES THAT I CAME ACROSS THAT GOT ME REALLY INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT PATRIOTISM DURING THE WAR, WHICH IS THE FOCUS...
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| 00:05:48 |
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WAS THIS WAR ESSENTIAL IN ESTABLISHING WHAT WOULD LATER BE AMERICAN PATRIOTISM. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THERE? >> ABSOLUTELY. ONE OF THE THINGS...
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| 00:06:04 |
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HISTORY THAT WAR WAS EVER FORMALLY DECLARED BY A CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS. IT'S ACTUALLY JUST ABOUT THE FIRST TIME THAT WAR WAS EVER FORMALLY DECLARED IN...
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| 00:07:24 |
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RESULT? >> WELL, WE MAY HAVE DIFFERENT TAKES ON
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| 00:07:26 |
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THAT. >> I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THEM. >> THE END RESULT CERTAINLY IS NATIVE PEOPLES ARE DEVASTATED ON BOTH
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SIDES OF THE BORDER. THEY WILL BE DISPOSSESSED AT A
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| 00:07:36 |
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FASTER RATE THAN EVER BEFORE. I ALSO THINK THAT THE UNITED STATES COMES OUT OF THE WAR FEELING MUCH MORE SECURE THAN IT DID GOING INTO THE WAR. AND THIS...
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OF THE WAR WAS THAT THE POSITION OF NATIVE AMERICANS WAS VERY
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| 00:08:25 |
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MUCH WEAKENED AND BRITAIN STOPPED FUNCTIONING AS AN EFFECTIVE ALLY, IMPERIAL ALLY FOR NATIVE AMERICAN GROUPS AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROFOUND RESULTS...
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| 00:09:25 |
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PUZZLE THAT DROVE ME TO LOOK AT PATRIOTISM AND HOW YOU SHAPE EMOTION AND THEREFORE FEELINGS ABOUT THE WAR. THERE IS A NEWSPAPER IN BOSTON IN 1817 THAT...
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| 00:10:05 |
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THE WAR IS BEING PROPERLY COMMEMORATED OR REMEMBERED ACROSS THE COUNTRY? >> IT'S NOT BEING MUCH REMEMBERED OR COMMEMORATED. STATES ARE NOT INVESTING...
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| 00:10:18 |
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IN THIS OTHER THAN MARYLAND. WE HAVE STATES IN FINANCIAL DISTRESS AND A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN FINANCIAL DISTRESS AND IT'S JUST BECOME MORE DIFFICULT...
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AND THEREFORE IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO CRITIQUE AND THERE IS AN UNWILLINGNESS TO SPEND TIME THINKING ABOUT IT. >>...
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| 00:11:01 |
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FOR A NUMBER OF IMPORTANT REASONS. I THINK, FIRST OF ALL, THE QUESTION OF HOW YOU DRUM UP PATE
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| 00:11:08 |
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PATRIOTISM AND GET PEOPLE EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED IN WAR IS SOMETHING THAT CHANGES VERY MUCH OVER TIME BUT THAT'S A PROCESS WORTH ANALYZING AND LOOKING...
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| 00:12:17 |
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TIME. >> ALL OF THE OCEANS OF THE WORLD AS WELL. >> EXACTLY, YEAH. WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT EUROPEAN POWERS HAD ALREADY RECOGNIZED THE UNITED STATES...
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| 00:12:27 |
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DISPUTED BY NATIVE AMERICAN NATIONS THAT DID NOT RECOGNIZE THIS RIGHT AND THAT IS WHY IT CAN LOOK FROM THE OUTSIDE AS IF THE WAR CHANGED NOTHING BECAUSE...
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BORDER ALONG THE GREAT LAKES. WHEREAS BEFORE THEY HAD BEEN PROJECTING INFLUENCE INTO THE UNITED STATES THROUGH NATIVE PEOPLES. SO ALSO THERE IS A...
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| 00:13:42 |
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BIG WAY THERE. THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT IS INVESTING SIGNIFICANT MONEY IN THIS AND IT GOES TO A SENSE OF PATRIOTISM BECAUSE THEY WOULD
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| 00:13:50 |
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LIKE TO HAVE AN AMERICAN STYLE PATRIOTISM, THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT OF CANADA, ONE WHICH CELEBRATES MILITARY ACCOMPLISHMENT AND THAT'S A NEW DEFINITION...
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| 00:14:22 |
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FRENCH SPEAKING AND ENGLISH SPEAKING CANADA TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY BOTH FOUGHT TO DEFEND CANADA AGAINST THE AMERICAN INVASION. BUT FRANK PHONES ARE NOT...
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| 00:14:50 |
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WITH A SIMILAR SET OF COLLEAGUES.
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| 00:14:53 |
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COMMEMORATIONS ARE ACTIVE THERE AND ENTHUSIASM THERE PARTICULARLY ON THE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT FOR STAGING REENACTMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING AND...
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| 00:15:15 |
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THE NATION'S CAPITAL AND ONE OF THE DOMINANT FIGURES THAT COMES OUT OF THE WAR IS DOLLY MADISON. AS A FEMALE HISTORIAN LOOKING AT THE WAR OF 1812,...
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NOT TO SAY THAT DOLLY MADISON DIDN'T CREATE A HEROIC FIGURE WITH LEGEND OF THE SAVING OF THE PORTRAIT BUT I'M MORE INTERESTED IN ORDINARY WOMEN'S PARTICIPATION...
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| 00:17:09 |
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ABLE TO MUSTER ENOUGH FORCES IN THIS WAR. THEY STRUGGLED THROUGHOUT THE WAR. >> BECAUSE THE WAR WASN'T POPULAR? >> WELL,
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| 00:17:15 |
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IT'S ALSO THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN MAKE MORE MONEY STAYING ON THEIR FARMS OR RUNNING THEIR OWN SHOPS AND SO THE MILITARY
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| 00:17:23 |
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PAY WAS PRETTY LOW. THE BONUSES WERE PRETTY LOW UNTIL THE LAST YEAR OF THE WAR AND THEN THEY HAVE MORE SUCCESS RECRUITING MORE SOLDIERS FOR THE WAR....
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| 00:18:08 |
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NAVAL BATTLES BEING FOUGHT ALL OVER THE
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WORLD. HOW FAR? >> INDIAN
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| 00:18:15 |
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OCEAN, PACIFIC OCEAN. >> WE WOULD HAVE BEEN FIGHTING BRITISH FORCES? >> YES. YES. THE UNITED STATES HAD A SMALL NAVY
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| 00:18:25 |
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BUT IT HAD A VERY WELL
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| 00:18:28 |
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DESIGNED SHIPS AND GOOD OFFICER CORPS AND HAD GOOD SAILORS AND THEY ADOPT A STRATEGY OF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DIRECTLY CONFRONT THE BRITISH NAVY WHERE...
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| 00:19:01 |
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THE WAR OF 1812? >> ANOTHER MAJOR CONFRONTATION WITH INDIANS DURING THE WAR OF 1812 WAS THE BATTLE OF THE TEMS WHICH IS
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| 00:19:12 |
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A BATTLE THAT WILLIAM HENDERSON WHOSE GLORY FROM THAT BATTLE AND ANOTHER ONE PROPER PELLED HIM TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN 1840. HARRIS CONFEDERACY LEADER...
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| 00:19:56 |
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SPECIFIC PROGRAM ON THE PART OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO EXPAND OR WAITS JUST THE NEED FOR MORE LAND? >> WELL, IT'S BOTH. AND WHAT'S QUITE EXTRAORDINARY...
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| 00:20:09 |
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ABOUT THINKING ABOUT HOW THE RIGHTS AND NEEDS AND DESIRES OF THE INDIVIDUAL COULD REINFORCE THE NEEDS OF THE NATION. SO THERE IS THE PETITION, FOR...
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| 00:21:13 |
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THAT WOULD HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THINGS? >> THERE WAS NOTHING OF THAT SORT. BUT THEY DO GET LAND GRANTS. AND SO YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT, THAT DOES
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| 00:21:22 |
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HELP TO ACCELERATE WESTERN SETTLEMENT. NOW, THESE VETERANS DON'T ALWAYS SETTLE ON THE LAND THEMSELVES, BUT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO THESE LANDS AND THEY...
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| 00:21:45 |
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PASSION OF PATRIOTISM. IN READING ABOUT SOME OF YOUR WORK, YOU TALK ABOUT THE PROMINENCE OF EMOTION IN 18TH CENTURY EUROPEAN RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY,...
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| 00:22:08 |
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THE PROCLAMATION THAT MADISON ISSUES TO THE NATION THE DAY AFTER HE SIGNS THE
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CONGRESSIONAL DECLARATION OF WAR INTO LAW. AND HE SAYS ALL THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, AS THEY LOVE THEIR COUNTRY, SHOULD EXERT THEMSELVES....
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| 00:24:49 |
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FOR THE WORKS THAT YOU DO, BOTH ON THE WAR OF 1812 AND SPECIFICALLY ON 1812. >> I DON'T THINK IT'S DIFFICULT AT ALL. I MEAN, ONE THING THAT WARS DO...
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| 00:25:04 |
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DOCUMENTATION. AND OFTEN IT'S BEEN USED BY HISTORIANS JUST TO TELL A MILITARY HISTORY STORY. AND THE GREAT THING THAT NICKI IS DOING IS THAT SHE...
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| 00:25:32 |
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MOMENT OF 1812, PEOPLE STARTED VERY SELF-CONSCIOUSLY COLLECTING DOCUMENTS BECAUSE THEY WANTED THERE TO BE A HISTORY OF THIS WAR. THERE IS A HUGE REPOSITORY...
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