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WITH A BIOGRAPHICAL QUESTION. TELL ME HOW DEREK BALK GOT YOU TO HAWAII. >> I WAS GOING TO CLERK FOR A FEDERAL DISTRICT JUDGE IN NEWARK AND COME TO A...
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JUDGE. I WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN PRACTICING LABOR LAW, AND THIS FEDERAL JUDGE HAD BEEN ROOSEVELT'S LABOR COUNSEL AND IT WAS WELL-KNOWN. HIS NAME...
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ORDMAN AND STEVE GORDON CAME TO MY HOUSE
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FOR DINNER. WE HAD A GOOD DEAL TO DRINK, AND THEY BROACHED THE POSSIBILITY THAT I WOULD COME BACK AND ARGUE APPELLATE CASES FOR THE SECTION OF THE...
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HAD. I HAD ALWAYS FELT -- I GRADUATED FROM HARVARD LAW SCHOOL IN '61, WHICH WAS THE TIME WHEN THE KENNEDY ADMINISTRATION
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| 00:05:09 |
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CAME TO WASHINGTON. MANY OF MY CLASSMATES CAME INTO GOVERNMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I WAS A REPUBLICAN. I WASN'T ANXIOUS TO SERVE IN THE KENNEDY ADMINISTRATION,...
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WHO WAS A LAWYER WHO HAD BEEN ASSOCIATE GENERAL
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COUNSEL IN THE EISENHOWER
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ADMINISTRATION, AND WE HAD GOTTEN TO KNOW EACH OTHER. I THINK I WAS ONE OF TWO LAWYERS IN THE NLRB WHO WORE A NIXON BUTTON IN THE TIME COMING UP TO...
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WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE
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AND LAW SCHOOL -- OR COLLEGE. YEAH, AND THEN LAW SCHOOL, TOO. >> THE RELATIONSHIP WITH GEORGE
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| 00:07:45 |
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SCHULTZ WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT IN YOUR POLITICAL -- YOUR PROFESSIONAL CAREER. TELL US ABOUT HIM AS HE'S BECOMING SECRETARY OF LABOR. WHAT DID YOU OBSERVE...
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| 00:08:12 |
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THOUGHTFUL. HE'S NOT FLASHY. PERHAPS NOT BRILLIANT, BUT VERY SMART. AS I SAID BEFORE, VERY WISE. HE HAD THE HABIT OF LISTENING CAREFULLY TO A PRESENTATION...
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| 00:09:54 |
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ABOUT THE PHILADELPHIA PLAN? >> WELL, IT WAS PRETTY QUICK. I SHOULD SET THE STAGE A LITTLE BIT BY SAYING GEORGE HAD RECRUITED WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS A
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| 00:10:11 |
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VERY TALENTED GROUP OF ASSISTANT SECRETARIES LEVELS. AND UNDERSECRETARY JIM HUDSON. I HAVE TO CONFESS THAT ARNIE WEBER AND I CLASHED ALMOST FROM THE...
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| 00:20:00 |
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QUESTION. I GAVE THE PHILADELPHIA PLAN
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| 00:20:12 |
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RATIONALE TO ART FLETCHER, WHO WAS THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR THE OFFICE OF FEDERAL CONTRACT COMPLIANCE. ART WAS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN, LIEUTENANT-GOVERNOR...
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| 00:21:21 |
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REHNQUIST? WASN'T THAT IMPORTANT FOR MAKING THE LEGAL CASE? THAT YOU ALREADY FOUND DISCRIMINATION? >> YES, YES. BUT IT WAS A LITTLE THIN. THE TRUTH...
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| 00:21:38 |
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TAKE THE STATISTICS AND COME UP WITH WITH AN IDEA THAT WOULD GENERATE GREATER PARTICIPATION ON THE PART OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS. WE SAID BLACKS IN THOSE...
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| 00:22:47 |
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| 00:22:51 |
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SPREAD AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PLANS IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY LIKE JOHNNY APPLESEED ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THE NEXT YEAR I BECAME UNDERSECRETARY OF LABOR....
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| 00:24:31 |
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THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN THE DOOR TO MORE MINORITY REPRESENTATION OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY? >> EXACTLY RIGHT. MANY OF US STILL THOUGHT OF THE REPUBLICAN...
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| 00:24:41 |
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THE SOUTHERN STRATEGY HAD A RACIAL ELEMENT, AND WE WERE ANXIOUS TO REBUT THAT. >> WHEN YOU WERE DOING LABOR ORDER 4, THERE WAS SOME PRESSURE ON YOU TO...
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| 00:24:51 |
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TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT THE REVISION WAS. >> I THINK DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF GENDER WAS ADDED. >> DID WE ADD THAT? >> YEAH. >> WE DIDN'T HAVE GOALS...
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I REMEMBER THERE WAS A DELEGATION OF WOMEN THAT CAME
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TO THERE WAS A QUESTION WHETHER THE SOUTHERN STRATEGY HAD A RACIAL ELEMENT AND WE WERE ANXIOUS TO REBUT THAT. >> WHEN YOU WERE DOING LABOR ORDER 4, THERE...
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| 00:25:24 |
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THEN THE DENITION TO COME UP WITH THE REVISED ORDER 4? OR LABOR ORDER 4 REVISED? >> I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT THE REVISION WAS. >> WELL, I THINK...
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DID WE ADD HAD A? >> WE DIDN'T HAVE GOALS AND TIMETABLE FOR WOMEN DID WE? >> I DON'T THINK WE DID. I REMEMBER THERE WAS A DELEGATION OF WOMEN THAT...
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ENGINEERS ON STEEL GIRDERS IN NEW YORK. IT WAS SORT OF, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME, TO USE THE PHRASE FROM A MOVIE. IF YOU DEMAND 50% WOMEN, THEY'LL...
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| 00:28:39 |
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OF THE LABOR COMMITTEE, DEMOCRATS FROM THE LABOR COMMITTEE TO TRY TO HAMMER OUT A COMPROMISE BILL. COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THE BACK STORY TO THAT AND...
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| 00:29:04 |
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OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH AND SAFETY, WHICH WAS VERY MUCH A CONCERN OF MANY IN THE CONGRESS. JIM HODSON WAS IN CHARGE OF DEVELOPING THE LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM,...
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| 00:33:11 |
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VERY. GEORGE SCHULTZ,
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| 00:33:12 |
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OF COURSE, HAD GONE OVER HIS OWN MB DIRECTOR, AND THE PRESIDENT I THINK WAS REASONABLY CONCERNED AND INTERESTED ABOUT THIS. >> IN WORKING ON THIS, DID...
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| 00:33:44 |
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DIXZ AFFAIRS NEXT YEAR, AND I DID INTERACT WITH HIM ON THIS. AND ED MORGAN, WHO WAS HIS ASSOCIATE DEALING WITH THE LABOR DEPARTMENT. BUT NOT AS MUCH AS...
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| 00:33:49 |
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RESPECT TO ANOTHER INITIATIVE. THAT IS RELATED TO THE PICTURE I SHOWED YOU IN THE OTHER OFFICE, AND THAT WAS THE LEGISLATION WE INTRODUCED TO DEAL WITH...
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| 00:34:26 |
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WERE MISTAKEN,
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| 00:34:27 |
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BUT THINK ONE I THINK WAS RIGHT. THERE USED TO BE A TERRIBLE PROBLEM BACK IN THE '60 AND EARLY '70s OF STRIKES IN THE TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY WHICH ...
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| 00:39:15 |
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OPINION IN THE MORRISON V. OLSON, THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL CASE, AND McKINNEN WAS VERY
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| 00:39:20 |
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ANNOYED. HE CAME DOWN TO MY OFFICE BECAUSE I HAD BEEN CRITICAL OF HIS BEHAVIOR AS THE CHIEF JUDGE OF THE SPECIAL DIVISION THAT APPOINTED THE INDEPENDENT...
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| 00:41:24 |
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ONE IN YEARS AND
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| 00:41:27 |
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YEARS. THAT IDEA WAS PICKED UP BY BASEBALL, AND IT'S NOW CALLED BASEBALL. THAT'S THE WAY THEY ARBITRATE -- NOT ARBITRATE, BUT THEY DECIDE BETWEEN BASEBALL...
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| 00:43:12 |
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TRY TO THINK ABOUT WHY TORT CASES ARE
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| 00:43:19 |
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SETTLED. TORT CASES ARE SETTLED BECAUSE BOTH SIDES SEE THE RISK OF LITIGATION AS TOO HIGH. THE PLAINTIFF THINKS I MAY COME AWAY LOSING WITH ZERO, AND...
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| 00:44:09 |
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PARTY MOVED AWAY FROM REGULATION AND FROM -- AWAY FROM SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW. WAS THERE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COST OF OSHA, FOR...
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| 00:44:25 |
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AS YOU RECALL, HE WAS SO WELL RESPECTED BY NIXON AND THE ADMINISTRATION HE WAS ACTUALLY PUT IN CHARGE THE OIL IMPORT TASK FORCE. WE WERE -- MOST OF THE...
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| 00:45:39 |
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ACTION. I KNOW YOU WROTE ABOUT IT, AND PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THIS INTERVIEW SHOULD GO AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU DESCRIBE AS YOUR MIA CULPA. I WOULD LIKE TO...
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| 00:46:29 |
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QUOTAS. IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH PRESSURE YOU PUT ON A COMPANY TO REACH THEIR GOALS AND TIMETABLES, AT WHICH POINT THEY BECOME QUOTAS. THE UNDERLYING...
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| 00:48:53 |
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SUMMER OF 1972 WHEN JEWISH GROUPS WERE THINKING ABOUT QUOTAS AND THE ISSUE OBVIOUSLY FOR JEWISH-AMERICANS QUOTAS. ON THE OTHER HAND, THESE GROUPS WANTED...
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| 00:49:29 |
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BEGAN TO HAVE -- I PARTICULARLY BEGAN TO HAVE MORE AND MORE DOUBTS AS TO WHAT I HAD DONE IN '69 AND '70 WAS RIGHT. I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO...
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| 00:54:38 |
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LEFT, HE APPEARED ON "MEET THE PRESS" WHEN I WAS UNDERSECRETARY, SO IT HAD TO BE '70 OR '71. HE CAME TO ME FIRST TO GET PERMISSION. I SAID, YES, BUT,...
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| 00:54:43 |
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THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I AGREED TO FLETCHER GOING ON "MEET THE PRESS." THERE WAS TENSION BETWEEN FLETCHER AND WEBER. >> WAS FLETCHER LET GO? >> NO, I...
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