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MIDNIGHT EASTERN AND SUNDAYS AT 1:00 P.M. NEXT, UNIVERSITY OF HARTFORD HISTORY PROFESSOR LAUREL CLARK-SHIRE LOOKS AT GOVERNMENT POLICIES TOWARD NATIVE...
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JOINED BY CAPABLE HONOR STUDENTS IN AN INTRO TO THE U.S. HISTORY SURVEY. THE TALK TODAY IS THE REMOVAL OF THE SOUTHEASTERN TRIBES MAINLY, BUT REMOVAL...
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THE SQUATTERS. THEIR DESIRE FOR PREEMPTION IN THE
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EARLY REPUBLIC, MOVEMENT WEST FOLLOWING THE REVOLUTION. WHAT ELSE DID WE TALK ABOUT? THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER WE TALKED ABOUT RACE SCIENCE IN THIS...
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SCIENTISTS, DOCTORS, PHYSICIANS, AND OTHER FOLKS ARE COMING UP WITH WAYS OF THINKING ABOUT RACES AS INNATELY AND DISTINCTLY
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DIFFERENT. PARTLY AS JUSTIFICATIONS OF SLAVERY. YOU MIGHT NOT BE SURPRISED TO REALIZE THAT SOME OF THOSE ALSO SERVED AS JUSTIFICATIONS FOR INDIAN REMOVAL....
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MORE APPROPRIATIONS IN THE TRADESMEN, STARTING TO BE PUSHED
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AWAY A LITTLE ABOUT. >> SO WORKING CLASS PEOPLE NO
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LONGER BELIEVED THEY COULD ASCEND THROUGH THE RANKS TO BE FROM APPRENTICE TO JOURNEYMAN TO
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MASTER. NOW THEY'RE FACING A LIFE OF WAGE WORK, UNLESS THEY'RE ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES THAT HAS THE CAPITAL TO INVEST IN THIS NEW ECONOMY. THERE'S...
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OF THE MARKET REVOLUTION IS THIS INCREASING SENSE OF DISTINCT SOCIAL CLASSES, AND SORT
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OF SOCIAL AND CULTURAL BELIEFS THAT GO ALONG WITH THOSE. THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS IS THIS THING CALLED MANIFEST...
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UP TAKING MEXICO AND CANADA, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE, IT SEEMS, IN
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1859, 1820 OR 1830 THAT WE MIGHT DO THAT. PARTLY IT'S GOD'S DECISION BECAUSE HE LOVES US SO MUCH. WHAT ELSE? >> WE LEARNED THE AMERICANS ARE THE...
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THEY DO IS WRONG. EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG. >> WHITE SQUATTERS SEE THEM OPPRESSED BY LAND SPECULATORS AND INDIANS WHO ATTACK THEM AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS...
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PREEMPTION. BUT NEVER THINK OF THEMSELVES AS INVADERS OF INDIAN LAND. MARY? >> THEY THOUGHT THAT NATIONAL EXPANSION WOULD MEAN THE EXPANSION OF FREEDOM...
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EVERYONE. THAT GOD WANTS US TO DO THIS IN PART BECAUSE IT WILL MEAN THE EXPANSION
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OF LIBERTY AND DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM FOR EVERYONE. AND IT IS THE EXPANSION OF OPPORTUNITY IN PARTICULAR FOR WHITE AMERICANS, AND THE IMMIGRANTS WHO...
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AND LIKE INDUSTRIALISM, LIKE THE TRAIN YOU SEE COMING THROUGH IS BRINGING OUT THE OLD AND BRINGING IN THE NEW CIVILIZED -- YEAH. >> SO WE'VE GOT WHITE...
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ARE SAVAGES, OTHER THAN SKIN TONE? >> THE WAY THEY'RE DRESSED. >> OR NOT DRESSED, RIGHT? >> YEAH. >> THESE FOLKS ARE CLOTHED. AND THEY ALSO ALL APPEAR
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TO BE MALE. AND THESE FOLKS
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ARE
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NOT CLOTHED AND THIS LOOKS LIKE
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A COUPLE OF WOMEN, GIVEN THE PROMINENCE OF THEIR BREASTS IN THIS IMAGE. OKAY. WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON? AND WE'VE GOT SOME PROGRESS, RIGHT? SOME TRAINS...
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EAST. IF WE WERE READING THIS LIKE A MAP. AND THE DARK IS ON THE WEST SIDE. AND OVER
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HERE WE SEE SHIPS IN A HARBOR, SO PERHAPS THE SEA IS THIS WAY, ALONG THE EAST COAST. AND HERE WE HAVE PERHAPS THE HIGH PEAKS OF THE ROCKIES. THE...
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SIDE. >> PROGRESS MOVES FROM EAST TO WEST. MANIFEST DESTINY THAT WE WILL BRING ALL OF THE GOVERNMENT
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AND TECHNOLOGICAL AND RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS OF WHITE ANGLO-SAXONS INTO THE WEST. AND THAT THAT WILL BE PROGRESS. THAT WILL BE GOOD. THAT WILL BE THE...
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ARE THEY DOING FOR
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THE LANDSCAPE UNDERNEATH THEM? >>
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PLOWING. >> THEY'RE PLOWING IT. THESE FOLKS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE JUST RUNNING FROM SOMETHING. MAYBE FROM WHITE SETTLERS. ALTHOUGH THAT'S
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PROBABLY NOT WHAT HE
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INTENDED IN THE ORIGINAL, RIGHT? BUT THESE FOLKS ARE SETTLED. THEY'RE FARMERS. SO WHAT'S THE MESSAGE OVERALL? AT THE END OF THE DAY? MARIS, WHAT'S...
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OKAY. SO WHO LIVES HERE? TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PHOTO. YOU MIGHT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, DEPENDING ON
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YOUR EXPOSURE TO INDIAN HISTORY. IF YOU DON'T, JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH AND TELL ME WHO YOU THINK THIS IS. WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS HOUSE...
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OSTENTATIOUS. >>
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WELL BUILT. >> WHAT ELSE? THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE STANDING IN FRONT OF IT. I DON'T
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KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL IN THIS LIGHT WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE BETWEEN THOSE
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PEOPLE, BUT WHAT DO YOU SEE? >> IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A PLANTATION HOUSE. >> IN FACT, IT IS A PLANTATION HOUSE. OKAY? IT'S THE HOME OF A
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WEALTHY PLANTER. AND I'M GUESSING THAT YOU
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SUSPECT THAT SOME OF THESE FOLKS ARE BLACK AND ENSLAVED, WHICH IS WHAT MADE YOU SAY PLANTATION HOUSE. AND PERHAPS THESE ARE THE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THE...
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DON'T TELL ME A
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PERSON, BUT YOU THINK PLANTATION HOUSE, WHO LIVES INSIDE A PLANTATION HOUSE? THE OWNERS OF THE PLANTATION. AND THEY'RE PROBABLY WHAT? >> ANGLO-SAXON....
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ROSE COTTAGE THAT WAS JOHN ROSS' HOME, CIRCA 1860. HERE'S ANOTHER ONE. THIS IS CHOCTAW GREENWOOD FLOOR'S RESIDENCE IN MISSISSIPPI BUILT IN 1852. MICHELLE?...
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JUST WREAKING HAVOC
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ACROSS THE
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PLAINS AND SHOWN AS THE TYPICAL SAVAGES AS THEY WERE THOUGHT OF. >> AS IT TURNS OUT, NATIVE AMERICANS UNDERGO MANY CHANGES BECAUSE OF THE MARKET REVOLUTION...
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MORE ABOUT IN A MINUTE, MANY, NOT ALL, BUT MANY ADOPT CASH KROB AGRICULTURE. THEY HAVE OWNED SLAVES FOR A LONG TIME. THEY BEGIN TO USE SLAVES ON PLANTATIONS...
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BRIGHT, OR CIVILIZED AS EUROPEANS WERE. IT KIND OF MADE ITS WAY THROUGH THE TEXTBOOKS, AND ARE STILL THERE, BECAUSE THEY WERE OFTEN DESCRIBED AS, OH,...
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SEEM RETROGRADE. THEY MIGHT NOT BE UNEQUIVOCALLY LABELED AS SAVAGE, BUT THEY'RE EITHER NATIVE AMERICANS AT WAR OR NATIVE AMERICANS OF A STATE OF SEMI...
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THERE WERE SOME CHIEFS LIVING IN LIKE NORMAL, LIKE LIVING IN HOUSES LIKE WE WOULD. AND THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT WE LEARNED IN HIGH SCHOOL. >> OKAY....
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LOG HOUSES MAYBE, RIGHT? MICHELLE? >> YOU DON'T REALLY THINK ANYTHING OF IT WHEN YOU'RE LEARNING IN HIGH SCHOOL, OR IN MIDDLE SCHOOL, LIKE YOU WERE...
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LIKE A CLASS LIKE THIS, AND YOU REALIZE THAT THEY'RE PURPOSELY NOT INCLUDING -- NOT PURPOSELY, BUT THEY'RE INTENTIONALLY NOT INCLUDING ANY KIND OF...
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BEEN PRESERVED AND UNTOUCHED IN SOME WAY, IF THEY'RE REAL INDIANS. THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THE CHALLENGES. THE OTHER INTERESTING THING THAT LOEWN...
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OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN AN IDEA OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS. HOW THEY BANDED TOGETHER AS SEPARATE GROUPS, BUT MADE AN AGREEMENT TO BE TOGETHER. >> AND THAT...
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BASED ON THE IROQUOIS LEAGUE. AND THERE ARE EXAMPLES, LIKE CHILI IN TEXAS, AND FOODS THAT WE EAT THAT ARE NATIVE AMERICAN FOODS. THIS IS OUR HISTORY....
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THE IROQUOIS SIXTH, MM-HMM. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE MAIN ARGUMENT IN THE CHAPTER? WHAT'S THE STORY THEY TELL THAT'S NOT
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CORRECT? DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER THIS? IT'S VERY, VERY RELEVANT TO TODAY'S TOPIC. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS HIS MAJOR ARGUMENT, HIS MAIN POINT? >> WELL, HE...
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WE HAVE DONE. AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE PEOPLE VOICES IN THE FUTURE. >> BUT IF WE LOOK AT AMERICAN HISTORY THROUGH NATIVE AMERICAN EYES, IT LOOKS...
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OF US HAVE ACTUALLY SETTLED ON INDIAN LAND WHEN IT WAS STILL INDIAN LAND. SOMEONE DID THAT BEFORE US. BUT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS HAPPENED, AND THAT...
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| 00:19:10 |
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EUROPEANS CAME OVER AND THEY'RE INVADING ON THEIR TERRITORY PRETTY MUCH. AND THEY'RE TAKING MUCH OF WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY SET UP, AND THEY HAVE IT EASY...
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WORD, HOMELAND SECURITY. MICHELLE? >> THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT INVASION AND TERRORIST ATTACKS. SO IT'S KIND OF RELATING IT...
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DAY CONFLICT. BY SHOWING THAT IT'S BEEN HAPPENING, LIKE SINCE 1492. IT'S BEEN HAPPENING MAYBE TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BUT IT'S STILL GOING ON. >> OKAY....
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MAYBE IT TIES US ALL TOGETHER. ON THE
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OTHER HAND, I THINK IT MAKES TWO PRETTY STRONG POLITICAL STATEMENTS. ONE, THAT NORTH AMERICA WAS
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WHOSE HOMELAND? INDIANS, RIGHT? IF THEY'RE SECURING THEIR HOMELANDS, AND IT'S NOT OURS TO SECURE, AND SECONDLY, FIGHTING TERRORISM SINCE 1492. WHICH...
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NOT THE MAJORITY. >> SO YOU THINK THE MAJORITY REFUSED TO BE ASSIMILATED? >> YEAH. >> I DON'T THINK
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THAT'S TRUE, ACTUALLY. I DON'T THINK
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THAT'S TRUE AT
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ALL. THE CHEROKEES IN GEORGIA, PERHAPS THE MOST FAMOUS
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STORY OF
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INDIAN REMOVAL, WE HEAR ABOUT THE TRAIL OF TEARS, ADOPTED MANY OF THE PLANKS OF ASSIMILATION. IN FACT, THEY WERE A LITTLE TOO SUCCESSFUL AT IT. SO...
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COLONY. NO ONE EVER, LIKE, SUGGESTS THAT THE COLONISTS COULD HAVE BECOME PART OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES. >> OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL, RIGHT? >> YEAH....
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ASSIMILATE AND BECOME PART OF OUR
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CULTURE,
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IT'S THAT WE WOULDN'T ACCEPT
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THEM AS SUCH. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. >> WE KIND OF MADE IT LIKE THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO LOOK BAD. >> MM-HMM. HE TELLS...
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THE -- I THINK
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IT'S CHEROKEES WHO GO TO JEFFERSON AND SAY WE WANT THE SAME
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RIGHTS AS WHITES. WE WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT OUR PROPERTY BELONGS TO OUR FAMILY AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SLAVES AND LAND. JEFFERSON SAID, YES,...
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AND SPANISH PERSPECTIVES ARE STILL LIVING HERE. >> SURE. >> SO ARE THEY BEING LIKE TORTURED BY OTHER PEOPLE AND BEING THROWN INTO THE NATIVE
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AMERICAN CATEGORY NOW? >> THAT
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DEPENDS. BECAUSE RACE DOESN'T TELL US -- ISN'T BASED IN SORT OF ANY GENETIC TRUTH ABOUT PEOPLE. IT'S ABOUT CULTURE, RIGHT? SO IT DEPENDS
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| 00:24:49 |
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ON WHETHER THOSE FAMILIES CALL THEMSELVES NATIVE AMERICANS, LIVE AMONG NATIVE AMERICANS OR LIVE AMONG EUROPEANS. THAT'S CULTURAL SHIFT THAT HAPPENS....
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TWO IS LIKE, WE KICKED OUT THE INDIANS. I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE DETAILED. >> IT WOULD BE MORE COMPLEX. YOU HAD TO REPRESENT MORE THAN ONE PERSPECTIVE....
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THEM BEING NATIVE AMERICANS, THEY WOULD WANT TO REPRESENT EVERYONE. >> OKAY. SO THE
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OTHER DIFFICULTY IS THAT TEXTBOOKS TRY TO TALK ABOUT NATIVE AMERICANS VERY BRIEFLY, SO THEY TALK ABOUT THEM ALL AS IF
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THEY'RE THE SAME, RIGHT? MICHELLE? >> IT WOULD BE ON THE WARS IN GENERAL. YOU HAVE THE FRENCH AND INDIAN WAR. ANY WARS WE HAD WITH THE NATIVE AMERICANS...
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PERSPECTIVES. NOT ONLY WOULD THE STORIES BE LONGER, BECAUSE THEN YOU'D HAVE TO SEE IT THROUGH WHAT THE NATIVE AMERICANS THOUGHT HAPPENED. AND HOW...
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| 00:27:11 |
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ABOUT THAT, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE BOOK I THINK HE SAID HOW SOME THINGS IN HISTORY TEXTBOOKS DON'T
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SEEM TO MAKE SENSE, OR THE PIECES ARE MISSING, LIKE YOU JUST JUMP TO THIS AND TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING UP TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THAT'S HOW IT WENT. AND IF...
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TO UNDERSTANDING HISTORY, YOU WOULDN'T LOSE SIGHT OF ALL THE CAUSES IN TALKING ABOUT THE EFFECTS, AS IF THEY WERE INEVITABLE. JOSHUA? >> IT SEEMS HISTORY...
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EUROPEAN AMERICANS. AND THEY REALIZE, OH, WAIT, WE HAVE THIS PERSPECTIVE AND THIS PERSPECTIVE.
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LET'S TRY TO THROW THAT IN REALLY QUICKLY. AND IT'S WRONG. BECAUSE IT'S FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, WHEN IN REALITY A TEXTBOOK SHOULD BE WRITTEN BY EVERYBODY....
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SOCIAL MOVEMENTS THAT AFFECTED WHO WENT AND GOT Ph.D.s IN HISTORY AND OTHER THINGS AND OTHER DISCIPLINES. AND THEN THOSE PEOPLE WROTE HISTORY. THERE...
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NUISANCE. >> IS IT OUR JOB OR IS IT JUST GOING TO HAPPEN? IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IT'S INEVITABLE. LIKE IT'S ALL KIND OF IN
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| 00:41:18 |
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PASSIVE VOICE. HE MUST WANE AWAY. YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S GOD, MAYBE IT'S FATE, MAYBE IT'S RACE. BUT HE MUST WANE AWAY. WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO DO...
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| 00:42:08 |
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THAT EVERYBODY
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ELSE IS NOT US, AND WE'RE THE BEST, AND YOU GUYS -- YOU GUYS CAN'T BE LIKE
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US. THERE'S NO WAY. SO YOU SHOULD JUST GO IN YOUR CORNER AND GO AWAY FROM US. YOU GO OVER THERE. WE MIGHT BE THERE A LITTLE LATER AND JUST PUSH YOU...
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| 00:42:33 |
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TO WAR AND SEND SOLDIERS TO UPROOT YOU AND REMOVE YOU. YOU'RE GOING TO MELT LIKE THE SNOW IN THE SUN. WE THE ADVANCING TIDE OF CIVILIZATION ARE COMING....
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| 00:43:49 |
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OVER THERE. AND IF THIS KEEPS GOING ON,
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WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GO INTO THE OREGON TERRITORY AND TEXAS
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AND MEXICO TERRITORIES. >> SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW AMERICANS ASSUME THIS IS JUST GOING TO CONTINUE. >> YES. >> THIS WESTWARD EXPANSION. OKAY. ...
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NOTICE THE GREEN LINES REPRESENT WERE ROADS. SO I THINK IT'S
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THE FIRST TIME
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THAT THEY LABELED ROADS. >> THIS
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IS AN HISTORICAL MAP. THESE ARE PLACES WE KNOW ROADS EXIST. THERE'S TRANSPORTATION ROUTES, RIGHT? SO IT'S CONNECTED BACK TO THAT GROWING
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MARKET ECONOMY. AND IT'S WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO MIGRATE. RIGHT? AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INVESTS IN ALL KINDS OF TRANSPORTATION, AND COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY,...
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| 00:45:49 |
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NEGOTIATIONS, SOMETIMES AFTER WARS, RIGHT,
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THIS IS NOT COMPLETELY FREE OF VIOLENCE, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE WARS THAT HAPPENED FOLLOWING THE REVOLUTION AND DURING THE WAR OF 1812, THIS...
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MM-HMM. >> SO THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NATIVE AMERICANS BEING GENEROUS, IT'S JUST THE EUROPEANS BEING,
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HUH-UH,
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WE WANT THAT. SO I THINK THAT MAP DOESN'T REPRESENT NATIVE AMERICANS, IT REPRESENTS EVIL EUROPEANS. >> NOT NICE NATIVE AMERICANS, BUT EVIL EUROPEANS....
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PIECE OF LEGISLATION OF INDIAN REMOVAL, THIS IS ALREADY UNDER WAY. MANY TREATIES HAD ATTEMPTED ALREADY TO PERSUADE THE SOUTHEASTERN TRIBES WHO WERE...
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BECAUSE, LIKE,
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THAIEY'RE BEING FORCED INTO ONE AREA AND IT WAS OVERPOPULATED. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DIRTY OR DISGUSTING, BUT I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD BE. >> IT'S NOT...
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IN A SENSE THAT A GHETTO I THINK WE ASSUME IS URBAN. THERE IS CERTAINLY A LOT OF POVERTY. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE DISPLACED
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FROM HOMELANDS WHERE THEY HAVE BOTH SORT OF SPIRITUAL AND, YOU KNOW, KIN CONNECTIONS AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH A COLLECTIVE TRAUMA THAT'S PRETTY ...
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USE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT SAYING THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY COULD BE LIKE US BECAUSE SCIENCE SAYS THAT THEY'RE NOT. >> UH-HUH. WHAT ELSE?
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| 00:58:33 |
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WHAT OTHER DEMANDS OR EXPECTATIONS DO AMERICANS HAVE IN THIS PERIOD THAT MAKES THIS LESS POSSIBLE? BRITNEY? >> THEY WANT THEIR LAND, BASICALLY. IT DOESN'T...
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LIKE THEY DON'T REALLY CARE AS MUCH. >> EVEN IF IT HAD BEEN SMURFS, RIGHT? >> THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO THEY ARE, THEY...
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A WAY ALL OF THIS IS POLITICAL COVER FOR
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A LAND CRAFT? >> BASICALLY. >> WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WITH THAT LAND? >> SETTLE INTO IT AND MAKE NEW FARMS
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AND WHATEVER. >> AND THEY'RE
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GOING TO MAKE MONEY. RIGHT? SO
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THIS IS ABOUT LAND AND MONEY AND RACISM. AND THE DEMAND
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FOR INDIAN LAND IN THAT CASE. I'M GOING TO
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SPEED THROUGH THIS. SO THEN, FLORIDA. YOU GUYS HAD A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON FLORIDA IN THE BEGINNING OF ONE OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. BUT TO REVIEW,...
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COMPENSATION FOR THE PROPERTY THAT THEY LOST SINCE IT'S CONSIDERED PROPERTY OR THEY WOULD TAKE MONETARY COMPOSITION FOR ANY KIND OF THING TO MAKE UP...
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| 01:01:31 |
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PANHANDLE. THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, BILLIONS OF WHITES DYING TO MOVE INTO FLORIDA. IT'S HOT AND AWFUL AND DISEASE RIDDEN. THE SWAMPS HAVEN'T BEEN DRAINED....
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| 01:08:52 |
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DOCUMENTS, LIKE, THE O RRKSRAL HISTORY ONE DEPICTED THE WHITE SETTLERS AS SCAVENGERS THAT PICKED UP THE REMNANTS OF WHO THE WHITE SOLDIERS DESTROYED...
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| 01:10:17 |
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HIGH PRICE JUST BECAUSE THE INDIANS WANTED IT IN THEIR KIND OF
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| 01:10:22 |
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STORE OR HERD HADN'T MADE IT ACROSS THE RIVER YET. HE STILL DID THAT FOR THEM AND TOOK CARE OF THEM EVEN THOUGH HE WAS MOVING THEM AND KIND OF -- >>...
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KEEP MOVING TYPE OF THING, DON'T STOP. HE
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WOULDN'T GIVE INTO THEIR WISHES AS MUCH AS I
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THOUGHT HE WOULD. >>
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HMM. OKAY. JOSHUA? >> I DON'T KNOW IF I BELIEVE HIM. >> OKAY. >> I WOULDN'T MIND
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SEEING WHAT A NATIVE AMERICAN WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THIS
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TIME. BECAUSE
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AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO
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BELIEVE HIM, A LOT OF IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM -- UNLESS HE WAS JUST A REALLY GENUINE AND GOOD GUY BUT FOR SOME REASON FROM EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN READING,...
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| 01:11:19 |
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CERTAINLY HE'S TELLING THE STORY, RIGHT? HE'S NOT GOING TO TELL US
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| 01:11:22 |
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ANYTHING HE DID THAT HE'S NOT PROUD OF. HE'S ALSO AWARE SINCE HE'S WRITING
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| 01:11:26 |
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HIS SUPERIORS THAT HE'S CREATING THE RECORD. OKAY? AND THAT NO INDIAN IS GOING TO SIT DOWN AND BE INTERVIEWED ABOUT WHAT THIS WAS LIKE. WE ACTUALLY...
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| 01:11:46 |
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AMERICAN ARMY PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THIS AS, LIKE, TERRIBLE GRUESOME PEOPLE. IT'S MORE LIKE THE LITTLE THINGS, LIKE, THE INDIANS WENT OUT. THEY'RE...
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| 01:12:20 |
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RIGHT? >> HE WAS GIVEN THAT POSITION AND HE WAS TOLD THAT HE HAS TO DO THIS AND YOU CAN'T REALLY DEFY YOUR SUPERIORS UNLESS YOU'RE LOOKING TO LOSE...
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| 01:12:28 |
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HE WAS KIND OF PUT BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. I THINK HE MADE THE BEST OF THE SITUATION. BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S SITTING IN A KIND OF A SEPARATE...
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| 01:13:02 |
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BEST OF A BAD SITUATION, BUT CARRY OUT HIS ORDERS AND KEEP THESE PEOPLE ALIVE. RIGHT? HE'S ACTUALLY ATTEMPTING TO KEEP THEM ALIVE. BEYOND HIM, WHAT...
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| 01:13:32 |
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EVERY ASPECT OF IT. SEEMS LIKE ANYTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG DID. >> YEAH. IT'S THIS LONG SORT OF AWFUL JOURNEY,
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| 01:13:44 |
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RIGHT? THEY'RE LEAVING NEW ORLEANS. SO THEY'VE ALREADY TAKEN A STEAM BOAT FROM FLORIDA AROUND THE GULF OF MEXICO TO NEW ORLEANS AND THEN THEY'RE GETTING...
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| 01:14:56 |
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TO ACCEPT THEY DID? >> IT WOULDN'T BE RATIONAL ON THEIR PART TO SAY, YES, PLEASE GIVE ME SOME UNIDENTIFIED SUBSTANCE THAT WILL CURE ME OF THIS DISEASE...
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| 01:15:05 |
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I'M TRAVELING IN HORRIBLE WEATHER THOUSANDS OF MILES. OKAY? I HAD TO LOOK THIS UP BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS. HOW WHITES WOULD TREAT THE MEASLES. THE MEASLES...
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| 01:15:28 |
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OUT -- I DON'T -- >> THEY DON'T HAVE UNDERSTANDING OF THE MEASLES, RIGHT? THEY DON'T THINK THE MEASLES -- VIRUS DOESN'T EXIST, BACTERIA DOESN'T EXIST....
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| 01:15:40 |
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THIS MEDICAL SCIENCE EXISTS. PENICILLIN HAS NOT BEEN INVENTED. NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. SO THEY THINK THE MEASLES IS BEST TREATED -- WHAT...
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| 01:17:43 |
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ABOUT HIM. BECAUSE -- >> HE MEANS OBLIGATED. >> YEAH. >> OR HE MEANS, LIKE -- >> NO, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. HE'S GETTING IT FROM OBLIGATED WHICH MEANS...
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| 01:17:53 |
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KIND OF SHOWING
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| 01:17:54 |
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THAT IT'S HIS JOB TO GET HIS PEOPLE THERE AND
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| 01:17:56 |
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GET THEM AS SAFELY AS THEY CAN SO HE IS STILL DOING HIS JOB REGARDLESS OF WHAT OTHERS THINK. SO -- >> UH-HUH. >> I MEAN, THAT'S JUST -- THAT'S WHERE...
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| 01:18:09 |
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WANTED IT. AND ALL THIS
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| 01:18:10 |
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STUFF. >> BY TREATY IS PROBABLY IS OBLIGED. THE U.S. USES THE TREATIES AND REPORT LIKE THIS FOR COVER
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| 01:18:25 |
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FOR WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY AN AWFUL SET OF POLICIES AND THEY KNOW IT. WHAT ABOUT THE ORAL ACCOUNT? MICHELLE SAID IT'S CLEAR FROM THE ORAL ACCOUNT, WHEN...
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| 01:19:00 |
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GENERATIONS' WORD OF MOUTH. CONSIDERING THE FACT THIS STUFF WENT ON IN THE 1800s, YES, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE ACCURATE. THIS STUFF YOU CAN'T FORGET....
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| 01:19:20 |
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AND ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN 1838 OR 1840 WHENEVER THIS HAPPENED. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS ISES CLOSEST WE HAVE...
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| 01:20:04 |
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I WOULD AGREE WITH THIS ONE MORE THAN THE OTHER ONE BECAUSE I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE NATIVE AMERICANS MORE. THAT'S JUST MY OWN PERSONAL BIAS. >> OTHER REACTIONS...
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| 01:20:26 |
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MORE OF A PERSONAL, LIKE,
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| 01:20:28 |
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ALMOST VENDETTA TOWARD THEM BECAUSE, BULLETS INTO EACH CORPSE AND SLIT THEIR THROATS AND DO ALL THIS, LIKE, CRAZY STUFF THEN GO BEYOND IT AND, LIKE,...
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| 01:20:57 |
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HISTORY I COULD GET MY HANDS ON ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT. THESE ARE THE STORIES THAT GET TOLD AND RETOLD IN GROUPS OF PEOPLE, BUT THERE'S AMPLE...
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| 01:21:37 |
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SEVERE EXTREME SS AMERICANS WENT TO. WHAT GOT ME, I KIND OF COMPARED BOTH READINGS, IN CHAPTER YOU GAVE US BEFORE WITH THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION,...
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| 01:22:21 |
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| 01:22:22 |
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MARCHED INTO AMERICAN FAMILIES' HOUSES AND KILLED THEM AND BASICALLY -- >> IT'S ABSOLUTELY IN EXCHANGE OF VIOLENCE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INTERESTING...
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| 01:22:51 |
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INDIANS AND WHITES WITH OFTEN THE FRONT LINES. RIGHT? IF WHAT YOU'RE ANGRY ABOUT ARE SETTLERS ENCROACHING ON YOUR LAND, YOU'RE GOING TO FIGHT THE SETTLERS,...
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| 01:23:44 |
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CAME. HOW DID THEY, I GUESS, ESCAPE THE EYE OR DOMINATION OF THE -- >> YEAH, SO, SO AROUND 5000, 4000, DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS HAVE DIFFERENT NUMBERS. SEMINOLES...
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| 01:24:01 |
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3,000 OR SO WE THINK DIED BETWEEN THE WAR AND THE REMOVAL PROCESS. YOU SAW HOW HIGH THE MORTALITY RATE WAS DURING REMOVAL AND WITH THE ATTACKS HAPPENING...
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.