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Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
I HAD TODAY. IT IS AN IMPRESSIVE INSTITUTION. GENERAL, IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, HAVING SERVED ON THE JOINT STAFF WHEN I WAS THERE AND WITH DISTINCTION....
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| 00:58:41 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
INTELLECTUAL TRADITION HERE AT THE CITADEL IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA. >> WE'RE HERE AT THE CITADEL IN SOUTH CAROLINA, BACK WITH SECRETARY DON RUMSFELD....
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| 00:58:55 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
BUSH DOCTRINE T WAR ON TERROR. I'D LIKE TO START OUT BY ASKING HIM, IN WHAT SENSE SHOULD THE GLOBAL MILITARY CONFLICT WITH RADICAL ISLAM BE SEEN AS...
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| 00:59:24 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
GREATER SIMILARITY TO THE STRUGGLE AGAINST VIOLENT EXTREMISTS, SO CALLED WAR ON TERROR, SIMILARITY BETWEEN THAT AND THE COLD WAR THAN WORLD WAR I OR...
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| 00:59:46 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
BULLETS, IT'S GOING TO BE WON IN A
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| 00:59:49 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
COMPETITION OF IDEAS, AN EFFORT NOT SIMPLY BY THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE OR PEOPLE WITH WEAPONS. BUT BY ALL ELEMENTS OF NATIONAL POWER. FINDING WAYS...
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| 01:01:24 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
TO BE PATIENT. THIS ISN'T GOING TO WEND A SIGNING CEREMONY ON THE USS MISSOURI. THIS
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| 01:01:29 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
ISN'T GOING TO END IN TWO, THREE YEARS. IT TAKES TIME. COLD WAR TOOK DECADES AND WE HAVE TO EXPECT THAT THIS IS GOING TO TAKE TIME. I DON'T MEAN HOT...
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| 01:02:20 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CONSERVATIVE AND A LARGER FEDERAL GOVERNMENT YOU SAID WE CANNOT BE LIBERTARIANS AND MEET A LARGE
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DEFENSE. WHAT'S WRONG WITH A SMALL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH A LARGE DEFENSE. CAN'T A LIBERTARIAN HAVE A LARGE DEFENSE? >> I THINK YOU MISQUOTED ME....
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| 01:02:41 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
LIBERTARIAN BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. >> NO. YOU'RE MISQUOTING ME. I SAID I THINK ALL OF
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| 01:02:47 |
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US, GREAT MANY OF US CONSERVATIVES LIKE THE IDEA OF
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| 01:02:51 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
A SMALLER GOVERNMENT AND LESS -- ALMOST MY PRECISE WORDS, LESS REGULATION, AND LESS GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN OUR PRIVATE LIVES. HOWEVER, THERE ARE PEOPLE...
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| 01:04:04 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
GOT COMPUTERS. HE'S SITTING
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THERE READING. >> I CAN SEE
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| 01:04:10 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
IT. CARTOONS. >> THAT'S A RELIEF. OKAY. >> EARLIER YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU SAID THAT IT'S A BATTLE OF IDEAS REFERRING TO THE WAR ON TERROR AND SIMILAR...
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| 01:04:21 |
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THEN SHOULDN'T WE BE WORRIED LESS ABOUT GOING TO WAR AND PREEMPTIVE STRIKES AND THOSE MEASURES AND WORKING MORE ON SOFT POWER AND MAKING AND FOCUSING...
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| 01:04:56 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
GO HAND IN HAND. NOT MILITARY POWER NECESSARILY TO BE USED BUT TO EXIST. AND YOU CAN HAVE A COUNTRY WITHOUT ANY MILITARY CAPABILITY DO ALL OF THE...
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| 01:09:44 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
GOING TO PICK OUT A FEW OTHER COUNTRIES AFTER THAT. START WITH AFGHANISTAN. CAN YOU SENSE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? >> NO. I'M OUT OF DATE. I'VE BEEN OUT...
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| 01:09:58 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
MILITARY COMMANDERS, THE RECENT MILITARY COMMANDERS, I'VE TALKED TO ENOUGH PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN IMPORTANT JOBS AND THOUGHT THEY WERE CURRENT AND...
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| 01:15:32 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
SURE. BRIEFLY. IT'S
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| 01:15:39 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
IMPERFECT. THE COUNTRY WAS USED TO SUNNI RULE, THE MINORITY SECT IN THE COUNTRY. THE KURDS PULLED AWAY AND KIND OF OPERATED SEMIAUTONOMOUSLY IN THE...
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| 01:19:48 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
WHAT, 60 MILLION PEOPLE OR SOMETHING. KIND OF A BIG ANCHOR IN THE ARAB WORLD, THE FOUNTAIN OF EDUCATION FOR ARABS ALL OVER THAT PART OF THE WORLD....
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| 01:26:11 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
KIND. HERE WE'VE GOT THE COUNTRY THAT WORKS CLOSEST WITH IRAN THAT CONTRIBUTES
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| 01:26:18 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
THE MOST TO TERRORISM ACTS AGAINST THE UNITED STATES AND AGAINST THE FREE COUNTRIES THAT IS CAUSING THE MOST DIFFICULTY IN LEBANON. S THAT A COUNTRY...
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| 01:28:06 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
NO COMPUTERS. >> BUT YOU SAID DEFENSE SPENDING USED
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| 01:28:10 |
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TO BE 10% OF OUR GDP. TODAY IT'S A MERE
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| 01:28:16 |
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4.4%. >> SOMETHING LIKE, 4.67. >> WITH THE LOOMING BUDGET DEFICIT OF I THINK IT'S 15 POINT SOMETHING TRILLION NOW, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY GOING TO
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| 01:28:27 |
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HIT CRISIS MODE IF IT'S NOT DEALT WITH IN A FEW YEARS. HOW TOUGH A SELL IS GOING TO BE THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN DEFENSE SPENDING OR WE OUGHT TO EVEN...
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| 01:28:48 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
PUSHING A TRILLION. AND YOU COULD NOT BALANCE THE BUDGET. IT ISN'T WHERE THE PROBLEM S. PROBLEM IS IN ENTITLEMENTS. IF WE'VE GONE FROM 10% OF GD ...
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| 01:33:41 |
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AND I THINK THAT WE DEFEATED THE SOVIET UNION BECAUSE WE WERE PREPARED FOR TOTAL WAR. ON THE OTHER HAND WE SAW A LOT OF PROBLEMS, HAD STRUGGLES WITH...
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| 01:34:18 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
THAT UNWISE. TRYING TO DEFINED WHAT TOTAL WAR IS IN AN ASYMMETRIC SITUATION IS VERY DIFFICULT. WHEN I USE THE WORD DIFFICULT THAT'S PROBABLY THE...
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| 01:35:36 |
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THE ANSWERS? HOW WOULD
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| 01:35:40 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
YOU ANSWER IT? >> I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. TO CONSIDER TOTAL WAR THAT ATTACKED.
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| 01:35:50 |
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I DON'T THINK IN BATTLE WE HAD TO CONSIDER WHAT TOTAL WAR IS DEFINED IN THE TACTICAL. WHEN WE'RE RELYING ON THE CORPORAL IN THE VILLAGES, WE'RE PUTTING...
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| 01:36:33 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
DOWN TO GENERAL MEYERS AND I SAID BASICALLY, ARE WE WINNING OR LOSING? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE MET TRICKS. WE KNOW WHAT YOU MEASURE IMPROVES. YOU GET...
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| 01:38:33 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
NUCLEAR DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. THAT'S A TOUGH ONE. WHAT ARE THE POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS? >> WELL, YOU HAVE A COUNTRY THAT HAS -- CALLS THE UNITED STATES...
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| 01:38:49 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
HAVE A COUNTRY THAT ISRAEL THE LITTLE SATAN AND DESERVED TO BE SHOVED IN THE SEA OR INCINERATED AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHT TO A STATE. YOU...
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| 01:42:31 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
OF INSTITUTIONS AT THE INFLECTION POINT. NOW I'M CURIOUS TO GET YOUR
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THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU THINK THE ROLE IS OF NATO PARTICULARLY WITH YOU'RE PEN COUNTRIES. >> THE RUR BEAN COUNTRIES ARE BELOW 2 PERCENT. NATE OR IF THEY...
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| 01:42:50 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
THE HIGHEST GDP, GREECE AND TURKEY FOR THE WRONG REASONS. AND THEY ARE DECLINING. THEY ARE BELOW 2%. THEIR SOCIAL NETWORK IS ENORMOUS AND GROWING. THEIR...
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| 01:43:31 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
AND THERE ARE DRUGS AND PIRACY AND VARIOUS THINGS THAT EXIST AND THAT IF YOU WANTED TO CREATE NATO YOU COULDN'T. WHEN I WAS THE AMBASSADOR IN THE EARLY...
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| 01:45:37 |
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IRANIAN LEADERSHIP'S COURSE OF ACTION MAY NORTHBOUND. >> I DON'T BUT THEY HAVE ENORMOUS INFLUENCE, THEY ARE IMPORTANT THERE FOR POLITICALLY, IMPORTANT
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| 01:45:49 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
FINANCIALLY. I THINK THAT THE -- IT WOULD BE UNLIKELY IF THE ASSAD GOVERNMENT FELL THAT IT WOULD BE REPLACED BY AN ALO WHITE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT'S...
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| 01:46:51 |
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DO OUR FOREIGN POLICY, IS THERE A CERTAIN MINIMUM BELOW WHICH WE CAN'T SUPPORT A STATE? OR IS IT LIKE YOU SAID THEIR RATE OF IMPROVEMENT, HOW DO YOU...
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| 01:47:12 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
WE HAVE TO SAY OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT. AND THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT, THEIR COUNTRIES ARE DIFFERENT....
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| 01:56:23 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
MUCH LONGER. I COULD DO THIS FOR HOURS
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| 01:56:25 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
WITH YOU. THE COURSES THE CONSERVATIVE
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| 01:56:30 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
INTELLECTUAL TRADITION, WE STARTED LOOKING AT CONSERVATISM BEGINNING WITH AR RIS STOTLE AND TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT CAME...
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| 01:57:13 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
IT HEADING? >> WELL, IT HAS BEEN A, AS YOU SUGGEST, A COALITION. COALITIONS TEND NOT TO BE PERMANENT. THEY TEND TO EVOLVE IN
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| 01:57:25 |
Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary
SOME WAY AS CIRCUMSTANCES EVOLVE. I THINK CLEARLY THE CONTINUING THREAT FROM ISLAMIST AND RAD CAM ISLAMISTS, IS SOMETHING THAT CAUSES A LARGE FRACTION...
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| 02:02:30 |
Factor, Mallory - Professor
CITADEL. >> THANK YOU, SIR. [ APPLAUSE ] >>
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WHAT YEAR DOES IT TAKE EFFECT? >> 1772, SIR. >> IT PROBABLY WORKED BETTER WHEN I WAS ONLY 78. THEN, I WOULD HAVE TAKEN YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >>...
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