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FIDELITY -- THEOLOGY AT BOSTON COLLEGE. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO -- TO WELCOME YOU TO THIS FORM. BOSTON COLLEGE, AS YOU UNDOUBTEDLY KNOW, IS AN OLD CATHOLIC...
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| 00:03:19 |
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I'M GOING TO ASK THESE TWO DISTINGUISHED PANELISTS A FEW QUESTIONS, START THE DISCUSSION, THEY WILL THEN RESPOND. WE WILL KEEP GOING AS A CONVERSATION...
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| 00:05:03 |
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AND MY INCLINATION IS THAT A VERY FEW REPUBLICAN SOUTHERN BAPTIST VOTERS WILL VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY. AND THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO SAY EXACTLY WHY....
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| 00:05:30 |
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HE WON THE EVANGELICAL VOTE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND IN NEVADA. HE WAS VERY CLOSE IN A COUPLE OF STATES AND IN THE SOUTHERN STATE IN GENERAL, HE HAS BEEN...
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| 00:06:59 |
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BAPTISTS. THE TYPICAL WHITE AMERICAN EVANGELICAL VOTER WILL NOT VOTE FOR A MORMON, BUT THEY CANNOT REALLY ARTICULATE THE REASONS. I RECALL A CONVERSATION...
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| 00:07:51 |
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MY TOWN, IT WAS NEVER FIND IN SCHOOL. IT DID PROVIDE FOR A LOT OF THE LOGICALLY GROUNDED CONVERSATIONS. IT WAS A GREAT CHANCE FOR ME TO ARTICULATE MY...
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| 00:09:07 |
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REFRAIN "EVERY MEMBER A MISSIONARY." THERE IS A SONG AND ALL KIDS LOVE IT WHEN THEY ARE GROWING UP. YOU LEARN VERY EARLY ON THAT MORMON AS A MESSIAH...
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| 00:10:22 |
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IMMEDIATELY I THOUGHT IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHO MORMONS ARE AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE. HE PRETTY MUCH DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT...
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| 00:11:06 |
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YEAH. I THOUGHT IT WAS
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| 00:11:09 |
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A GREAT SPEECH. IT
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| 00:11:15 |
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WAS OVER A WEEK AGO, RIGHT? SO, SOME TIME AGO. THERE WAS A SENSE THAT HE MADE A STRONG ARGUMENT FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY. HE ALSO MADE THE POINT, WHICH...
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| 00:12:30 |
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I DO NOT THINK THAT ROMNEY IS ESPECIALLY THINK-Y ABOUT HIS RELIGION. NOT THAT HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IT, BUT HE IS NOT INTRIGUED BY THE THEOLOGY OF...
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| 00:13:29 |
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MORMONISM IN WAYS THAT MAKE SENSE TO ME OR TO OTHER PEOPLE. MAYBE WOULD MAKE SENSE IF HE WERE TRYING TO DO THIS CALL MASTER OF THE COUNTRY, BUT IT IS...
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| 00:13:55 |
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IS, "IS ANTI- MORMONISM THE NEW ANTI-CATHOLICISM"AND THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BIGOTRY AGAINST THE MORMON FAITH. IT IS OBLIGATORY OF MORMONS TO...
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| 00:14:30 |
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INTERESTING PLACE WHERE THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY. THERE IS A LOVELY THEOLOGICAL UNDERPINNING TO THAT DOCTRINE. IF YOU BELIEVE A CERTAIN RITUALS...
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| 00:15:29 |
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IS THE QUESTION OF -- FOR ME, IS THE
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| 00:15:34 |
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QUESTION OF HOW OTHER RELIGIONS MAINSTREAM. TO THE EXTENT OF TONIGHT ABOUT MORMON AS IN, BUT ALSO CATHOLICISM, HOW DOES CATHOLICISM GET FROM THE POINT...
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| 00:16:16 |
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MORE WITH DONNY OSMOND IS WINNING "DANCING WITH THE STARS APPEAR GO OH, HE IS A MORMON -- "DANCING WITH THE STARS" AND IT IS LIKE, OH, HE IS A MORMON,...
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| 00:17:42 |
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FOR ME, PERSONALLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT LOSS. AND I'M NOT SURE IT COULD COME OUT HERE AS A GROUP. IT IS STILL TOO SMALL.
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| 00:17:54 |
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IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXAMPLE OF THE COMMUNITY OF CHRIST, WHICH IS THE LARGEST SPLINTER GROUP FROM THE MORMON CHURCH, THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY BECOME ANOTHER...
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| 00:18:42 |
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THAT MITT ROMNEY LOSES. THE OTHER IS THAT MITT ROMNEY WINS. >> IS THERE ANOTHER POSSIBILITY? [LAUGHTER] >> ALL OF THE ABOVE? I DON'T KNOW, THE HEIGHTENED...
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| 00:18:59 |
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BEEN VERY GOOD FOR MORMONS IN SOME WAYS. THERE IS A CHANCE TO SORT OF CLARIFY WHAT WE BELIEVE. THERE IS ATTENTION TO PRACTICES THAT NEED REVISION. THERE...
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| 00:19:52 |
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COULD TEACH -- THE WAY A MORMON POLITICIAN COULD TEACH, I THINK THERE IS A WAY THAT MITT ROMNEY COULD TEACH IN TERMS OF WHAT WE DO AS A COMMUNITY AND...
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| 00:21:37 |
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SITUATION THAT MITT ROMNEY IS BASING TRYING TO GET THE NOMINATION OF THIS PARTY AND I LOOK AT -- IS FACING TRYING TO GET THE NOMINATION OF THIS PARTY,...
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| 00:23:06 |
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BELIEVE IN A BRACEGRACE OR NOT. >> DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? >> SHOURD, MORMONISM EMPHASIZES PREDICTABILITY AND THE MORMON GOD IS COMPREHENSIBLE TO...
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| 00:23:33 |
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THERE IS THE COLLAPSIBLE OF DISTANCE, WHICH IS THE BELIEF THAT HUMANS AND DOGS ARE NOT ONTOLOGICAL IF -- DIFFERENT FROM -- HUMANS AND GOD ARE NOT ON...
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| 00:24:10 |
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DEVELOPING A ROBUST THEOLOGY OF GRACE, WHICH HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN
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| 00:24:16 |
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PRESENT. >> I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT THAT. THIS IS PRECISELY WHY MITT ROMNEY DOES NOT WANT TO START TALKING ABOUT THEOLOGY. THE INTERESTING
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| 00:24:26 |
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IDEA, THE KIND OF BROKEN PERSON WHO HAS BEEN REDEEMED, AS THE AMERICAN MODEL. I DO THINK AMERICANS LOVE THAT. IT IS IN OUR FILMS. IT IS IN OUR MYTHOLOGY...
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| 00:26:01 |
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IF MITT ROMNEY DOES LOSE THE NOMINATION -- I DOUBT THAT HE WILL. THERE ARE MANY WHO BELIEVE HE PRETTY MUCH HAS LOCKED IT UP. BUT IF HE DOES LOSE, HE...
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| 00:26:35 |
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MORMONS BECAME MOSTLY REPUBLICAN MORE RECENTLY THAN YOU WOULD THINK. PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND THE TIME OF THE ERA, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. IT IS A REACTION...
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| 00:27:26 |
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THE IDEA IN THE LATE 19TH CENTURY IS THAT YOU WERE NOT FAMILY VALUES, RIGHT? >> YES, THE TOUR -- THE 1920'S THROUGH THE 1950'S. >> IF AVENUE M IS GOING...
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| 00:27:42 |
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THE EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY -- YOU MAY KNOW THE DATES ON THIS. BUT
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| 00:27:48 |
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THROUGH 1946, THE REPUBLICAN PLATFORM WAS FOR THE ERA. BETTY FORD WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROPONENTS OF THE ERA. THAT COINCIDED WITH THE REAGAN REVOLUTION...
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| 00:28:10 |
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THEN THE GENERAL RELEASE SOCIETY PRESIDENT CAME IN WITH HER VERY LARGE HAIR ON FIRE AND SAYING WE COULD SHOULD COME AGAINST THE ERA. -- WE SHOULD COME...
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| 00:28:32 |
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HAS BEEN KNOWN AS THE MOST MODERATE OF THE REPUBLICANS. THE ETERNAL QUESTION -- I MEAN, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT RELIGION THAT CAN NEVER...
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| 00:30:07 |
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NOT KNOW ANY ANGRY MORMONS. THEY ARE -- IT SEEMS TO BE IN THE
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| 00:30:12 |
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RICK SANTORUM WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY YOU HAVE TO BE KISSED OFF. THERE IS THIS CULTURAL COMMUNICATION -- YOU HAVE TO BE PISSED OFF. THERE IS THIS...
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| 00:30:48 |
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THING IS, HE IS BEING A PRAGMATIST. TO UNDERSTAND HIM AS THE NBA GUY WHO GOES INTO COMPANIES AND FIGURES
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| 00:30:56 |
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OUT HOW TO MAKE THEM WORK, THAT IS NOT DONE IDEOLOGICALLY. THAT IS PURE PRAGMATISM. IN SOME CASES YOU MIGHT WANT TO FIRE A BUNCH OF WORKERS. IN OTHER...
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| 00:32:21 |
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CASINO GAMBLING IN MASSACHUSETTS. YOU CAN PRACTICALLY HEAR THE VIOLENCE WELL. THERE ARE A MILLION GREAT CONCERN -- THE VOILINS SWELL. THERE ARE A MILLION...
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| 00:33:31 |
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TO THIS RACIST MOMENT IN AMERICAN MORMON HISTORY. OUR REMEMBER AS A KID -- I REMEMBER AS A KID WATCHING DONNY OSMOND ON SOME VARIETY SHOW AND THEY ASKED...
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| 00:34:27 |
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DOWN GENERATION UPON GENERATION THAT IS NEVER GOING TO CHANGE, BUT THERE IS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CHURCH CAN CHANGE, TOO. >> THERE IS ALWAYS FROM...
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| 00:34:42 |
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PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH TO RECEIVE GUIDANCE FROM THE WHOLE CHURCH, AND THIS STRONG TRADITION OF PERSONAL REVELATION AND THE IDEA THAT ALL PEOPLE HAVE...
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| 00:36:46 |
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HOW THE MORMON CHAIN -- THE MORMON CHURCH HAS CHANGED ON A DIME, SO TO SPEAK. THERE IS SOMETHING ADMIRABLE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT SUGGESTS THAT BEING...
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| 00:39:02 |
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TO GET TO X. HOW WILL WE GET THIS COMPANY TO IMPROVE? HOW WILL WE GET THIS COMPANY TO MAKE ITS CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY EVERY YEAR? WE WILL DO WHAT WE...
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| 00:40:36 |
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TO ME IT IS NOT A MORMON THING. >> HERE IS A QUESTION. EITHER OF YOU CAN ANSWER. CAN YOU ENVISION SOME DAY PROMINENT CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR HIGH OFFICE...
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| 00:40:46 |
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THE U.S. WHO IS A MORMON AND A WOMAN? >> YES. >> YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DECLARE NOW. [LAUGHTER] >> NO, I DO THINK THAT IS POSSIBLE. I WOULD SUGGEST -- SUSPECT...
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| 00:41:09 |
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MORMONISM IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN. IT IS NOT ALWAYS COMFORTABLE TO BE AN AMBITIOUS WOMAN IF YOU ARE A MORMON. >> IS THAT CHANGING? >> IT IS CHANGING SLOWLY....
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| 00:41:27 |
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FORWARD AND ONE AND HALFBACK. IT GOES SLOWLY. -- AND ONE AND A HALF STEPS BACK. IT GOES SLOWLY. IT WAS SAID IN OUR GENERAL CONFERENCE THAT WOMEN SHOULD...
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| 00:42:13 |
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ESPECIALLY INDEPENDENT WOMEN, ARE SWINGING TOWARD THE DEMOCRATS, IN PART, BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS SEEM TO HAVE FRAMED THE CONTRACEPTION ISSUE AS MORE ABOUT...
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| 00:43:04 |
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EVEN THINK THAT WOULD NECESSARILY WORK. >> I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LEARNING. THERE WERE A LOT
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| 00:43:17 |
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OF SERIOUS QUESTION AND I THINK HE ANSWERED THEM VERY WELL. KENNEDY NEVER TALKED ABOUT HIS FAITH AND MITT ROMNEY NEVER TALKED ABOUT HIS FATE. LIEBERMAN...
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| 00:43:41 |
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IS PROBABLY GLAD THAT THE ISSUE HAS BEEN FRAMED IN TERMS OF RELIGIOUS LIBERTY IS THAT THE MORMON POSITION ON BIRTH
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| 00:43:48 |
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CONTROL AND ABORTION IS QUITE PRAGMATIC AND TOLERANT. THERE IS NO POSITION. >> AND CREATIONISM? >> GAZPROM ON NOT CULTURALLY, BUT DR. NAILLE, QUITE...
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| 00:44:07 |
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BUT DOCTRINAL LEE, QUITE FRIENDLY TO SCIENCE. >> GIVEN WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE TO DO TO WIN THEIR PRIMARY, I DOUBT WHETHER THE ISSUE WOULD COME FORWARD...
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| 00:44:21 |
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AND MORMON SEXISM IS THE SOFT KIND -- >> AND MORMON SEXISM IS THE SOFT KIND. IT IS CHIVALROUS. GO UP ON YOUR PEDESTAL AND TALKED QUIETLY. >> HE MAY START...
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| 00:44:42 |
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A VERY LONG TIME AGO, I HAD TO TAKE A COURSE. IT WAS REQUIRED ON PUBLIC SPEAKING. IT WAS TAUGHT BY A DEBATE COACH AT TEMPLE UNIVERSITY. HE GAVE US ALL...
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| 00:45:26 |
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A MORMON OR AS A MODERATE, HE HAS A VERY TOUGH TIME REPRESENTING THE VIEWS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I THINK HIS ADVISERS ARE TELLING HIM TO STAY TO THE...
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| 00:46:19 |
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AMERICANS ELECTED THAT WOULD LIKE TO RUN A CENTRIST KIND OF PARTY WITH PEOPLE LIKE SENATOR SNOW. AND JON HUNTSMAN WOULD BE A PERFECT MATCH FOR THAT. >>...
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| 00:46:35 |
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WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ANTI- MORMONISM IN AMERICAN CULTURE, BUT WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MORMON WHO IS A STANDARD BEARER, NOT...
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| 00:47:06 |
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NOT PRAGMATISM AND HAVING A MODERATE POSITION WAS TYPICAL OF MORMONISM. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP THAT BEFORE THIS YEAR, PERHAPS THE MOST INFAMOUS MORE...
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| 00:47:51 |
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GLENN BECK DISAPPEARED. THE NEW CYCLE BEING WHAT IT IS, HE IS KIND OF OFF THE STAGE. >>
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| 00:48:01 |
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IS RUSH LIMBAUGH A MORMON? >> SNOW. IT -- NO. MAYBE AFTER HE DIES. >>
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| 00:48:11 |
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I THINK THAT IS GERMANE. HE WAS NOT RAISED AS A MORMON, SO CULTURALLY, HE IS NOT A MORMON. HE CONVERTED WHEN HE
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| 00:48:19 |
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WAS MARRIED, RIGHT? >> YES. IT'S INTERESTING FACTOR, HE FOLLOWED ME IN SUNDAY SCHOOL
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| 00:48:28 |
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AND WE MOVED AWAY AND HE BECAME A SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER. >> HE WAS INSPIRED BY A SCOUT, WHO IS WAY OUT THERE. >> EVEN FOR MORMONS. MY PUBLICATIONS FINEST
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| 00:48:40 |
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HOUR MAY HAVE BEEN THE TAKEDOWN OF THE
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| 00:48:44 |
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BOOK BY LOU MULALLY. A FIERY, WONDERFUL, SCATHING REVIEW. AND THE BACK-AND-FORTH LETTERS. >> I WONDER IF I MAY BE PUTTING ON THE SPOT A LITTLE BIT. I...
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| 00:49:06 |
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PROPOSITION 8 IN CALIFORNIA CAME UP. IT WAS FASCINATING TO HEAR THEM TALK ABOUT IT GENERALLY. THEY SAID THREE THINGS, AND I WAS CURIOUS TO WHAT EXTENT...
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| 00:50:31 |
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TO ME THAT THEY WERE READING NOT CHURCH- GENERATED MEMOS, BUT MOST -- MEMOS FROM, I CANNOT REMEMBER THE NAMES OF THE DIFFERENT COALITIONS. THE COALITION...
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| 00:51:47 |
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OF THE CHURCH, AND HAD A GREAT SENSE OF THE OPTICS OF THINGS. I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENED, AND I DO NOT THINK THE PRESIDENT HAD THE SAME...
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| 00:52:24 |
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ON THE AFTERLIFE, THE FAMILY, AND THE IMAGE OF THAT IS ALWAYS A MAN AND A WOMAN. THE EVANGELICALS HAVE TO GO RUNNING TO THE BIBLE TO SUPPORT THEIR REVULSION...
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| 00:53:06 |
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WOMEN, DEPENDING ON WHICH CENTURY ARE TALKING ABOUT. BUT THERE IS DEFINITELY THIS THEOLOGICAL HADRON ARE NATIVITY -- HETERONORMATIVITY THAT DOES NOT EXIST...
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| 00:53:31 |
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MONTHS, THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS HAVE STAKED A STRONG POSITION. THEY HAVE HAD A CLEAR VOICE AT THE TABLE, EVEN IN LEGISLATIVE HEARINGS. AS HAVE SOME EVANGELICAL...
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| 00:54:13 |
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OF APOSTLES OF THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CHURCH THAT HAVE TAKEN UP THIS RELIGIOUS LIBERTY FLAG WITH GREAT ENTHUSIASM. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS OBVIOUS...
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| 00:55:24 |
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YOU FOR A GREAT CONVERSATION. I AM LAURA EVERETT. I AM WONDERING. ONE OF THE COMMITMENTS FOR THOSE OF
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| 00:55:32 |
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US TO ENGAGE IN INTERFAITH DIALOGUE IS YOU LET YOUR DIALOGUE PARTNER DEFINE THEMSELVES. WHAT HAPPENS HERE, WITH THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT WHO IS CHRISTIAN,...
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| 00:56:16 |
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SOMETHING LIKE THAT TALKING ABOUT MORE MONISM. I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT OF NOW- PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HIS SPEECH ON RACE. THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT MOMENT. I...
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| 00:56:56 |
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I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT MORMONS AND CHRISTIANITY, BUT I THINK IT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION. I DID A REVIEW YEARS AGO OF A BOOK BY THE BUSHMANS, WHO...
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| 01:00:23 |
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WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THAT?" NEITHER MORMONS' NOR EVANGELICALS ARE GOOD AT ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS. MORMON IS AND HAS NO THEOLOGICAL UNDERSTANDING...
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| 01:01:05 |
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FOR YOUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT. [APPLAUSE] I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CENTER HERE AT BOSTON COLLEGE, AND FOR ALL OF YOU, WHO HAVE BEEN AN EXCELLENT AUDIENCE...
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