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MORNING. I AM SHAUN MEEHAN WITH BLOOMBERG LAW. I'M PLEASED TO WELCOME YOU TO A SUPREME COURT ARGUMENT BRIEFING. WE ARE APPROACHING THE TWO-YEAR...
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| 00:01:26 |
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MORNING, EVERYONE. ON BEHALF OF THE SCOTUSBLOG AND BLOOMBERG LAW, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE. IF YOU WEREN'T HERE, WE WOULDN'T BE. CONTRARY TO THE PERCEPTIONS...
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| 00:07:54 |
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MY NAME IS TOM GOLDSTEIN, PUBLISHER OF SCOTUBLOG, WE ARE INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL THAT THOSE OF US IN THE -- THOSE OF YOU IN THE ROOM AND WATCHING EITHER...
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| 00:12:59 |
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A TRY. I THINK MAYBE NEIL WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY OF DESCRIBING IT BUT PROBABLY NOT TOO DIFFERENT. THE KEY PROVISION HERE THAT IS -- THAT HAS GENERATED...
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| 00:16:41 |
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ALL, THANK YOU FOR THIS WONDERFUL EVENT, IT'S A DELIGHT TO BE HERE WITH ALL OF YOU. I DID REPRESENT THE GOVERNMENT, I'M NOT HERE NOW REPRESENTING THE...
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| 00:19:49 |
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YOU WEREN'T PERSUADED BY THAT, IS HEALTH INSURANCE KIND OF FOUNDATIONALLY DIFFERENT IN AWHAT THAT EXPLAINS WHY CONGRESS COULD IMPOSE THE MANDATE HERE...
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| 00:20:06 |
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WRONG FOR THREE REASONS. THE FIRST IS HE COMPLETELY MISDESCRIBED CONGRESS' PURPOSE IN EP ACTING THIS PLAN. THIS IS NOT ME SPEAKING THIS COMES STRAIGHT...
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| 00:24:21 |
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BACK. I KNOW YOU HAVE A THIRD POINT. AMONG YOUR REACTIONS BOTH PAUL AND MICHAEL HAVE SAID THERE IS NO LIMITING PRINCIPLE HERE. MAYBE THERE IS THERE...
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| 00:29:41 |
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MAKE SURE SO THAT -- THERE ARE TWO ARGUABLE CONSTITUTIONAL BASIS FOR THE STATUTE THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED. SO FAR THE THREE OF YOU-ALL TALKED ABOUT...
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| 00:31:29 |
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TAX. WHAT THIS DOES, THE MANDATE IS AN -- IS A REQUIREMENT THAT EVERY INDIVIDUAL SAVE CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO ARE INCARCERATED, PEOPLE WHO ARE NATIVE...
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| 00:36:04 |
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AKIL, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH EVERY WORD HE SAID. HIS THOUGHT IS ANYTHING THAT CONGRESS CAN TAX AND TAKE AND GIVE TO AN INDIVIDUAL, CONGRESS CAN REQUIRE...
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| 00:38:38 |
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YOUR FRIEND, PAUL, I THINK YOU CAN READ THE CASE UNTIL YOU ARE BLUE IN THE FACE. YOU WILL NEVER FIND THE PRINCIPAL HE'S TRYING TO TEASE OW. THAT CONGRESS...
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| 00:40:44 |
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PLAYED DOWN -- LAID DOWN BY PAUL AND MICHAEL ON ONE PARTICULAR POINT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHETHER WE ARE AGREED ON IT OR NOT. THAT IS THEY SAY THAT...
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| 00:41:18 |
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WRONG. COULD I FLUSH THAT OUT? >> SURE. >> FIRST
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| 00:41:22 |
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OF ALL I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO APPRECIATE THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT WHERE PAUL DOES. THE GOVERNMENT'S NOT GOING TO COME IN AND SAY, HERE ARE OUR LIMITING...
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| 00:43:18 |
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SO LIMITING PRINCIPLES. I READ YOU A PASSAGE FROM MCCLULLA WHERE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TAX POWER, AS NEAL HAS SAID THERE ARE OTHER POWERS AND THE...
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| 00:47:30 |
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ON CONGRESS, DOESN'T IT? WE HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO 20 MINUTES OF THIS. YOU KNOW WHAT CONGRESS HAS GOT TO DO? IT'S GOT TO RATIONALLY FIND IT'S A PROBLEM...
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| 00:47:53 |
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DUE. GIVEN IT'S DUE, THAT IS, I THINK WE CAN AGREE THAT HEALTH CARE AFFECTS INTERSTATE COMMERCE AS DO SO MANY THINGS UNDER THE MODERN CONCEPTION....
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| 00:48:29 |
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A FAIR QUESTION AND I'M SURE MICHAEL HAS GREAT ANSWER TO IT. BEFORE WE LEAVE COMPLETELY THE LIMITING PRINCIPLE. CAN I THINK TWO THINGS? I'M NOT SURE...
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| 00:48:59 |
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OK. LOOK, I ARGUED -- WHEN I ASKED FOR MY LIMITING PRINCIPLE I POINTED TO LOPEZ AND MORRISON. BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR POWER....
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| 00:49:31 |
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THE REGULATION IS NOT THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATES. THERE IS AN INTERSTATE PROBLEM THAT PRE-EXISTS THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE. THIS IS ONE WAY -- HANG ON. >>...
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| 00:49:40 |
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SHOULD TRANSITION TO THE QUESTION THAT TOM ASKED MIKE, WHICH IS YOUR POINT HERE, I THINK, IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOW REALLY ANYTHING ABOUT THE INTERSTATE...
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| 00:50:00 |
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STATEMENT OF THE FACTS TWICE YOU SAID, NOT JUST A PART, YOU SAID, QUOTE, A CRITICAL PART. WE HAVE TO BE -- >> MIKE AND I WILL -- >> IT IS A CRITICAL...
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| 00:50:11 |
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A COMPREHENSIVE SCHEME, PLANP TO DEAL WITH A GENUINE INTERSTATE PROSH THAT NO -- PROBLEM THAT NO INDIVIDUAL STATE CAN HANDLE. AND JOHN MARSHALL WOULD...
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| 00:50:26 |
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YOU EMPHASIZED IN THAT SENTENCE, GENUINE, INTERSTATE, COMMERCE, ARE THE KIND OF WORDS THAT THE SUPREME COURT WILL ALWAYS DEFER TO CONGRESS ON. AND SO...
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| 00:50:49 |
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INTERSTATE. LET'S START THERE. I'M SIGNATURE AT HOME IN MY LIVING ROOM. I'M NOT BUYING INSURANCE. I'M NOT ENGAGED IN COMMERCE. LOCAL INTRASTATE, INTERSTATE....
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| 00:53:05 |
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THAT. WHEN MIKE SITS IN HIS LIVING ROOM AND DOESN'T BUY INSURANCE, HE IS ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE NATIONAL ECONOMY. THAT'S WHAT THE...
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| 00:53:36 |
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A LIMITING PRINCIPLE? -- RISE TO LAMINGT PRINCIPLE? THE PROBLEM IN 2008 WAS THAT PEOPLE WERE SITTING IN THEIR LIVING ROOM AND THEY WEREN'T BUYING...
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| 00:53:47 |
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DIFFERENCE. WHAT CONGRESS IS SIGNIFICANT, WHAT SUTTON IS SAYING, HEALTH CARE IS THE DIFFERENT THAN THE BUYING OF CARS. EVERYONE IS GOING TO NEED HEALTH...
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| 00:54:51 |
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IF YOU'RE RIGHT, WE COULD DEBATE THE FACTUAL PREMISE, EVEN IF YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THE HEALTH CARE MARKET IS DIFFERENT IN THAT RESPECT, WHY DOES THAT SUGGEST...
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| 00:55:46 |
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WHAT DOES THE WORK IN YOUR ARGUMENT, AND YOU ARE TRULY THE BEST LAWYER OF YOUR GENERATION, IF YOU CAN'T WIN THIS CASE, NO ONE CAN, I DON'T THINK ANYONE...
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| 00:56:32 |
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IS VERY DISTINCT BECAUSE EVERYONE NEEDS TO HAVE IT AND WILL HAVE IT AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIFE. THAT'S NOT TRUE OF OTHER THINGS. HERE'S THE SECOND...
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| 00:57:22 |
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IS SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T PAY FOR HEALTH CARE WITH YOUR OWN MONEY. THAT YOU HAVE -- ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT WITH INSURANCE. THAT WHEN MICHAEL...
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| 00:57:56 |
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NO. BECAUSE THEY COULD REQUIRE YOU TO COMPEL EVERY TIME YOU DECIDE NOT TO BUY A PRODUCT WHETHER IT'S CONTRACEPTIVES OR BOOKS IN A SCHOOL CURRICULUM...
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| 00:58:20 |
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APO GUISE. ARE YOU GOING TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE. THE PREMISE OF THE STATUTE. TWO SENTENCES. AND I TAKE IT THE STAT -- THE STATUTE IS SAYING -- IS...
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| 00:59:05 |
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MY FEET. I HAVE DECIDED TO SELF-MOVE OR A SCOOTER OR A CAB OR AIRPLANE. WHAT WE ARE JUST TELLING YOU WHICH WAY YOU HAVE DECIDED TO ENGAGE IN TRANSPORTATION....
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| 01:00:50 |
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I THINK YOUR LOPEZ EXAMPLE BACKFIRES. OUR POINT IS THAT LOPEZ DEMONSTRATES THE PRECISE LIMITS THAT IN LOPEZ THE STATES WERE SEPARATELY COMPETENT TO...
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| 01:01:38 |
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AN INTERSTATE FOOD MARKET THEORY. BUT IF I CAN JUST TRY. YOU STARTED THIS -- NEAL, I'M SOARRY. YOU STARTED THIS BY SAYING WE ARE ALL MODELING THIS...
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| 01:02:05 |
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TOLD THE COURTS THEIR SOLUTION DIDN'T WORK EFFECTIVELY PRECISELY BECAUSE IT WASN'T A NATIONAL SOLUTION. >> BECAUSE
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| 01:02:12 |
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YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO. WHAT YOU CAN'T DO IS TELL PEOPLE -- LET'S SEE IF ANYONE DISAGREE WAS THIS ECONOMIC RATIONALE. IF FIRE INSURANCE...
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| 01:03:04 |
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NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS. WHAT IT HAS TO DO WITH IS YOUR FALSE ASSERTION THAT THIS IS SOMEHOW A UNIQUE FACTUAL SCENARIO WHERE CONGRESS IS NEVER...
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| 01:03:31 |
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LIMIT. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT MASSACHUSETTS AND CARS AND WILL I NOT USE A CERTAIN WORD THAT BEGINS WITH INTERAND ENDS WITH STATE. THEY WANT YOU TO THINK...
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| 01:04:28 |
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THEM THEIR DUE. THEY WOULD SAY THERE ISN'T A BIG CONCERN ABOUT THIS IN THE CASE LAW BECAUSE THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A STATUTE THAT REQUIRED SOMEBODY TO PURCHASE...
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| 01:04:40 |
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TO GET INSURANCE, ALMOST EVERY STATE, BEFORE YOU GO ON THE ROAD BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU ARE EXPORTING COSTS ON THE PEOPLE. THAT IS IS A MANDATE TO...
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| 01:05:26 |
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IS THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE STATE SHOULD BE DOING. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE PERSUADED -- THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE PERSUADED....
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| 01:05:47 |
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YES. I READ IT TO YOU. MILITIA ASKET 1792. >> YOU COULD HAVE
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| 01:05:52 |
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BEEN GIVEN THE GUNS. YOU WEREN'T REQUIRED TO PURCHASE THEM. >> YOU
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| 01:05:55 |
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DON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE THIS. YOU CAN BE GIVEN A HEALTH INSURANCE POLCY. IT'S THE SAME. LOGICALLY ALL THE WAY DOWN. I'M MAKING A TWOFOLD POINT. ONE,...
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| 01:07:11 |
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LIKE ME TO RESPOND TO THE MILITIA ACT -- I'M HAPPY TO. >> ON THE
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| 01:07:18 |
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QUESTION OF WHETHER THERE IS A LIMITING PRINCIPLE, I TAKE IT THAT YOU AGREE THAT CONGRESS COULD HAVE DONE THIS WITHOUT IT BEING A TAX, RIGHT? AND SO...
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| 01:07:55 |
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THROUGH OTHER MEANS? >> NO. IT SUGGESTS THERE IS A LIMITING PRINCIPLE AND THE LIMITING PRINCIPLE IS YOU CAN'T DO THIS THROUGH AN INDIVIDUAL MANDATE....
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| 01:10:23 |
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UNCONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE YOU END UP BUYING THE INSURANCE? >> YOU CAN -- IF YOU CALL IT
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| 01:10:27 |
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A TAX, THEN AS MICHAEL SUGGESTS IT'S GOING TO BE DISTRIBUTED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, MORE BROADLY. I DON'T THINK CONGRESS WILL PASS A TAX. I'M NOT SURE...
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| 01:12:23 |
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NEAL THE CHANCE TO PUT IN A RESPONSE FOR FURTHER THOUGHT. THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS. >> JUST BRIEFLY, OF ALL
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| 01:12:30 |
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THE ARGUMENTS AND CRITICISMS AGAINST THE ACT, THE ONE THAT THERE IS A LACK OF POLITICAL ACCOUNTABILITY IS THAT THIS ACT SOMEHOW STOLEN TO THE UNSUSPECTING...
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| 01:13:16 |
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INDIVIDUAL MANDATE IF YOU LABEL IT A TAX. I'M SAYING YOU COULD ACCOMPLISH THE SAME OBJECTIVE BY RAISING EVERYONE'S TAXES AND PROVIDING A DIRECT SUBSIDY...
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| 01:13:39 |
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THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REQUIRING PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING DIRECTLY AND CREATING A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO DO SO I ASSUME THE GOVERNMENT WILL...
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| 01:13:56 |
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DO WITH SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT. >> WE HAVE 20 MINUTES
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| 01:14:00 |
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LEFT. LET ME MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS. I THINK BEFORE -- I THINK WE HAVE MICROPHONES AVAILABLE. HERE WE GO. IF YOU'LL...
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| 01:15:14 |
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ACT LET ME ASK NEAL FIRST. IS THAT OK? >> I DON'T REMEMBER
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| 01:15:19 |
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ALL THE DETAILS. IT MIGHT BE BETTER O TO POSE TO THOSE TWO. >> THE FIRST PROBLEM WITH
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| 01:15:26 |
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THE QUESTION IS YOU REFER TO IT -- BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO, AGAIN, DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE MANDATE AND THE PENALTY THAT ENFORCES THE MANDATE. THE PENALTY...
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| 01:16:20 |
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QUESTION ASSUMED -- ASSUME THE STATUTE IS UPHELD UNDER THE TAXING POWER DORKS IT THEN RUN INTO THE ANTI-INJUNCTION ACT? >>
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| 01:16:28 |
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OK. EXPLAIN MORE BROADLY WHY I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE PRINCIPLE CHALLENGE IS TO THE MANDATE. THAT CREATES AN IMPORTANT...
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| 01:18:15 |
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IS THE INDIVIDUAL -- IF THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE GOES DOWN DOES THE REST OF THE STATUTE LOGICALLY HAVE TO FALL APART? >> THE GOVERNMENT HAS
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| 01:18:23 |
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TAKEN THE POSITION IN THIS CASE THAT IF THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE FALLS, ONLY A FEW PROVISIONS OF THE ACT FALL, THAT IS THE INSURANCE MARKET REFORMS AND...
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| 01:19:28 |
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APART IF THE MANDATE GOES DOWN? >> PRECISELY
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| 01:19:31 |
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BECAUSE NEAL'S RIGHT. I DON'T THINK ANY REASONABLE PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE THAT THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE IS TIED INEXTREEKABLY TO THE WHAT WE CALL GUARANTEED...
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| 01:20:51 |
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SEVERALIBILITY WOULD BE RATHER THAN KILLING THE WHOLE THING OR EVEN THE HEART AND LUNGS OF IT, WOULD BE TO SAY, IF IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE USED...
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| 01:22:04 |
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STATUTE IS ACTUALLY STRUCTURED IN SUCH A WAY THAT PAYING THE PENALTY IS NOT COMPLIANCE WITH THE MANDATE, AND AMEND IT CONTINUES. YOU ARE UNDER A FEDERAL...
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| 01:22:18 |
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READ THE STATUTE SO THAT IT IS CLEAR IT THAT AS LONG AS YOU PAY THE PENALTY, YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE. IF THAT SATISFIES EVERYONE, THAT IS IN NICELY SMALL,...
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| 01:22:32 |
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IS AND NOT THE LABELING ISSUE. I DON'T CARE IF THEY CALLED A TAX, PENALTY, OR A BANANA. WHAT IT IS IS A MANDATE TO DO SOMETHING AND IF YOU DON'T DO...
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| 01:24:05 |
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MUST POSITION -- GOVERNMENT'S POSITION IS THAT TO REACH ITS GOAL OF UNIVERSAL COVERAGE, IT IS NECESSARY TO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO BUY PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE....
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| 01:24:43 |
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AM A LIBERTARIAN, BUT I DON'T THINK THE SUPREME COURT TO JUDGE THE VALIDITY OF CONGRESSIONAL ACTION BY WHETHER I.T. HAS MORE OR LESS LIBERTARIAN THAN...
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| 01:25:16 |
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THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, INCLUDING SINGLE PAYER, THAT MIGHT BE SCORED DIFFERENTLY BY THE AMERICAN LIBERTARIAN ASSOCIATION OR SOMETHING, BUT THE FACT THAT...
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| 01:25:43 |
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PAUL SAID. IF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THEY COULD HAVE CALLED THIS A TAX RATHER THAN CONGRESS, WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL? WHO CARES IF WE WENT ON THE COMMERCE...
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| 01:26:29 |
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CRS. WHAT IS THE BASIS OF THE ARGUMENT THAT THE MANDATE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL? >> THE COURT HAS MADE CLEAR
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| 01:26:39 |
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THAT YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO FIRST PRINCIPLES. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS INHERENTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE STATES BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ONE OF LIMITED...
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| 01:27:49 |
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AS THE COURT HAS SAID, YOU SHOULD NOT GET UP TO ON ON WHETHER THE LIMITING PRINCIPLE -- THE COURT HAS SAID REPEATEDLY IT THAT AS LONG AS IT IS WITHIN...
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| 01:28:42 |
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TO THE SAME THING WITH THE INCOME TAX. THEY DO NOT CONCEDE THAT THERE IS A LIVING PRINCIPLE. MIKE SAID THAT, I EMPHATICALLY DISAGREE. HE DOES NOT WANT...
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| 01:29:59 |
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JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT, BECAUSE WHEN I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL IN THE 1980'S, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT, AND I DON'T REMEMBER EVER TALKING...
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| 01:30:22 |
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AN OBVIOUS DISTINCTION BETWEEN REGULATING SMALL PRODUCERS OF THE PRODUCT AND THE CONGRESS THAT PASSED THE LAW IN THE 1930'S, INSTEAD OF TELLING MR. SILVER...
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| 01:31:24 |
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THESE WERE SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING AT ALL. SHE WAS NOT ENGAGED IN INTERSTATE COMMERCE WHEN SHE WAS TRYING TO GROW MARIJUANA IN...
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| 01:32:21 |
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YOU HAVE HEARD ALL THIS TALK ABOUT THE LIMITS, LOPEZ, MORRISON, WE THINK WE ARE ON THE CORRECT SIDE OF THESE CASES. THEY BASICALLY DRAW THE LINE BETWEEN...
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| 01:33:05 |
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COMMENTARY WILL CAPTURE THE GOVERNMENT'S POSITION. THE ADMINISTRATION LIKE HALF OF JUSTICE SCALIA'S POSITION. WE HAVE RESPONSE TO THAT THERE ARE OTHER...
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| 01:35:09 |
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ARE NOT COMMERCE CLAUSE CASES, AND PAUL'S IS THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN YOU ARE SITTING IN YOUR LIVING ROOM, YOU ARE, CONGRESS FOUND, AFFECTING INTERSTATE...
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| 01:35:35 |
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APPRECIATE IT, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. [APPLAUSE] [CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE] [CAPTIONS COPYRIGHT NATIONAL CABLE...
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