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WEEKEND ON C-SPAN3. MORE FROM U.S. NAVAL ACADEMY PROFESSOR AS HE EXAMINES THE GENERALSHIP OF ULYSESS S. GRANT. >> ALL RIGHT. SO TODAY WE WILL DO GRANT....
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OF THE WAYS THE CLASS WAS STRUCTURED IS YOU HAD ONE HISTORIAN IS AN EXCELLENT BATTLEFIELD GENERAL AND A TERRIBLE STRATEGIST. AND ANOTHER FORMER TEACHER...
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CRUSH LEE'S ARMY. BUT HE SIGHS THE BIGGER PICTURE OF THE WAR. WHAT THE ARE THREE LEVELS AGAIN? STRATEGIES, OPERATIONS. AND GRANT IS THE MASTER STRATEGIST....
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DOESN'T BREAK. WILDERNESS WHEN HE GETS FLANKS, HE DOESN'T BREAK. HE WITHDRAWS AND STABS AGAIN. >> AND HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THE BIG PICTURE? HOW...
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DONE. HE'S ABLE TO GET OVER IT AND MOVE
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TO THE NEXT ONE. WHO IS A CONTRASTING FIGURE ON THIS QUESTION OF CHARACTER? WHO IS THE GUY WHO GETS THE STRATEGY RIGHT BUT DUE TO A MORAL FAILING...
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EXACTLY. AND NOT ONLY THAT. WHAT DOESWIDE
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WIDELY TALK ABOUT? >> THERE'S A LOT LESS REVOLUTIONARY. SO THERE WEREN'T ANY CHANGES. SLAVERY WASN'T TOUCHED. >> AND
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WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS REALLY A GOOD OR BAD THING. IS IT PLAUSIBLE
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| 00:07:54 |
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LIKELY? DID YOU SAY SOMETHING? >> WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO BRING THE UNION BACK TOGETHER? BECAUSE THE SOUTH WANTED THE WAR TO END. THEY WANT TO STAY
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| 00:08:04 |
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THE SAME WAY THEY WERE. >> WIDELY IS ON THE FENCE. IF WE READ HIS OTHER WORK, THERE'S A SENSE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF
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| 00:08:17 |
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DOWN SIDES TO THEM. WIDELY DOESN'T CARE A LOT ABOUT SLAVERY. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT HE CAN TAKE THAT POSITION. HE SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT WOULDN'T...
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| 00:09:25 |
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ARMY, AND THEY JUST KEEP PICKING PEOPLE OFF AT A TIME AND FOLLOW THEM. AND
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| 00:09:29 |
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MAKE LEE MAKE A MISTAKE. >> NOT JUST FOLLOWING LEE AS WELL AS JOHNSON. HE DIVIDED HIS FORCES TO ENGAGE THE SOUTHERN ARMIES AT THE SAME TIME ON
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| 00:09:43 |
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MULTIPLE FRONTS. >> SO YOU HAVE VARIOUS EXAMPLES. YOU HAVE ATTRIBUTION. WHAT IS THAT A FANCY TERM FOR? WHAT MR. ROTH JUST SAID. IN THE
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| 00:09:55 |
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CASE, YOU CAN ASSOCIATE IT WITH GUERRILLA WARFARE. IN THIS CASE IT'S WEARING DOWN YOUR OPPONENT. BUT, YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING OF A DIFFERENT -- DID...
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| 00:10:32 |
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TO ANIGH LITE THEANI ANNIHILATE THE FEDERAL ARMY. >> IN THE END THE ASSAULTS DON'T WORK. BUT HOW DOES THE SIEGE CONCLUDE? WHERE ELSE DOES GRANT ACHIEVE
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| 00:10:46 |
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MANEUVER THAT LEADS US TO DECISIONS BY SIEGE? >> GREENSBURG. >> THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. ALTHOUGH NOT REALLY MANEUVER THAT GETS HIM THERE. ALTHOUGH
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| 00:10:59 |
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HE TRIES TO GET THERE. YES. ALSO WHAT MAKES GRANT INNOVATIVE ABOUT THE INNER SERVICE? YES? >> HE ONLY FORCED UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER? >> BUT WHAT SERVICE...
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| 00:11:18 |
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OTHER CAMPAIGN IS THE NAVY
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VERY USEFUL FOR
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| 00:11:25 |
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HIM? IN THE WEST. VICKSBURG. YOU GUYS HOPEFULLY REMEMBER THAT. SO YOU HAVE HERE THE GOAL TO ANNIHILATE, AT LEAST IN WIDELY'S INTERPRETATION, CONFEDERATE...
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| 00:12:01 |
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AROUND OBJECTIVES. >> IN WHAT WAR? >> THE MEXICAN WAR. >> YES. >> WHO IS THE EXPONENT OF NAPOLEONIC STRATEGY? THE CHAPTER YOU READ BEFORE THAT? IT'S
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| 00:12:15 |
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LEE. SO GRANT WANTS TO DESTROY -- AND I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THIS. WHEN HE SAYS A STRATEGY OF ANNIHILATION, HE'S NOT MEANING A BATTLE. HE'S MEANING...
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| 00:13:01 |
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FIELDS. >> YEAH. YOU MOVE THROUGH THE COUNTRYSIDE. YOU TAKE WHAT YOU CAN CONSUME. BUT WHY DO YOU
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ALSO NEED TO DO THAT? YOU HAVE TO FEED YOUR ARMY. AND WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? WHAT'S McCULLEN'S ALTERNATIVE TO FEEDING YOUR ARMY? YOU DON'T HAVE TO...
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HAD IN THE GENERAL. >> IT'S A LOT MORE ININDUSTRIALIZED THAN THE SOUTH WAS. >> AND SO MUCH CREDIT DO
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WE GIVE GENERALS FOR HAVING BIGGER RESOURCES, RIGHT? HERE'S THE OTHER ISSUE. AND WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THIS
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EVEN WITH LEE. WHO DOES GRANT FIGHT IN THE WEST WHERE HE MAKES HIS CAREER? IS THIS THE BEST THE CONFEDERATES HAVE TO OFFER? NONE OF YOU CAN REMEMBER...
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IS A WORSE ARMY THAN THE UNION ARMY OF THE POTOMAC. ALL RIGHT. SO, AND WHEN I SAY THAT, I MEAN THINGS IN TERMS OF -- I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE THAT ARGUMENT...
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NEVER ADJUDICATES THE ISSUE. HE SHOULD HAVE PICKED ONE SIDE AND FIRED EVERYBODY
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| 00:19:04 |
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ELSE. INSTEAD HE STAYS WITH BRAGG TOO LONG. HE DOESN'T FIRE POLK. THEY'RE ALL ATTEMPTING TO UNDERMINE BRAGG. AND BRAGG IS SORT OF THIS DIFFICULT HUMAN...
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| 00:21:06 |
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AS DEDICATED TO THE CAUSE OR THE CAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE. >> THESE ARE THINGS THAT NO INDIVIDUAL CAN CONTROL. EVEN THEY HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE. WHAT'S...
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WHY? HE GETS LESS POLITICAL INTERFERENCE. HE GETS LESS EXPOSURE. THE GRANT HAD DONE SHILOH IN THE EAST, WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO HIM? BY THE WAY,...
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| 00:22:43 |
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HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. YOU CAN MAKE THE SAME ARGUMENT ABOUT VARIOUS EPISODES IN GRANT'S CAREER. SO WHAT IS GRANT'S CAREER LIKE? IT WASN'T...
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| 00:24:58 |
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TRUE, HOW MIGHT IT HURT THE ORGANIZATION IF EVERYONE JUST THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY CONTEXT OF THAT MATTER. >> PEOPLE O WHO ARE PASSIVE...
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| 00:25:14 |
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THE CONCEPT OF FRICTION? OKAY, MR.
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GOODMAN. >> THE FOG OF WAR. >> YEAH. IN WARS, EVEN THE SIMPLEST THINGS BECOME DIFFICULT.
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| 00:25:28 |
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THEY'RE SO PLAGUED BY UNCERTAINTY AND CHANCE. AND ALSO FEAR, RIGHT? PEOPLE ARE GETTING KILLED, AND THINGS DON'T QUITE SEEM TO WORK RIGHT A LOT OF TIMES....
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| 00:27:11 |
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MARINE CORPS IS
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| 00:27:14 |
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REALLY INTO THIS. THIS IS PARTLY BECAUSE HE HIMSELF WAS A SERVING GENERAL AND SERVING OFFICER. THE MAIN WAY, AND IT'S PARTLY BECAUSE INTELLECTUALLY...
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YOU OVERCOME
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| 00:27:58 |
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THAT, THAT FRIKTTION? THAT FRICTION? HOW DO YOU OVERCOME INHERENT PROBLEMS OF GETTING THE MOST BASIC THINGS DONE. FOR KLOSOWITZ, SOME OF YOU MENTIONED...
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| 00:30:32 |
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THAT IS THE NAVY'S ETHIC, RIGHT. AND -- THAT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY COMMANDING OFFICER
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| 00:30:43 |
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GIVES HIS OR HER ALL IN TAKING THESE RESPONSIBILITIES SERIOUSLY. I MEAN THAT IS ARGUABLY YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AS AN ORGANIZATION. WHAT IS THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL...
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| 00:31:12 |
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INFORMATION. BUT WHY DO YOU THINK -- WHAT IF -- CAN HE SUPERVISE EVERY LITTLE THING THAT HAPPENS. >> HEAP IS REYATESCREATES THE CULTURE. THE MILITARY...
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A PROFESSIONAL IMPERATIVE. IS THAT THE BEST HISTORICAL EXPLANATION FOR THINGS LIKE WHETHER OR NOT A WHOLE COUNTRY OR ARMY WINS IN THE WAR OR NOT? ...
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| 00:33:05 |
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TWO HOURS. SO, I MEAN. >> YEAH, THAT IS -- WE DON'T THINK IT IS QUITE THAT BAD. THERE ARE PLENTY OF THINGS YOU CAN CRITICIZE GRANT FOR. WE THINK THAT...
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HE REALLY DIDN'T, LIKING LOOK AT HIS MEN. MORE AS OBJECTS THAN PEOPLE. LIKE, MY FOCUS IS TO ONE THE WAR. DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT
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| 00:33:24 |
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THE CASUALTIES. >> I THINK WILY SUBSCRIBES TO THAT VIEW. >> I WOULDN'T SAY HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT HIS PEOPLE. I WOULD SAY HE HAS THE HIERARCHY
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OF MISSION AND THEN ON
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| 00:33:37 |
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DOWN. UNDERSTANDING THAT HE HAS TO GET A TASK DONE, KNOWING THAT HE HAS TO PUT FORTH THESE MANEUVERS THAT PUT HIS PEOPLE AT RISK AND THERE ITS ALSO...
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| 00:34:20 |
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SITUATIONS. THEY ALSO DON'T, BEING A REGULAR PRIVATE OR CORPORAL IN AN INFANTRY, YOU DON'T GET THE STRATEGY, YOU ONLY SEE THE TACTICS. WHILE THEY MAY...
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| 00:34:52 |
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MANY KNOW THIS BY NICKNAMES? SHERMAN IS CALLED UNCLE BILLY. LEE IS CALLED ROBERT. McCLELLAN WAS CALLED LITTLE MAC. IT WAS FOND. YOU HATCH THESE BIG...
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| 00:36:04 |
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FROM HISTORY, TROOPS ARE WILLING TO FIGHT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO WIN. THE TRADEOFF HAS TO BE THEY HAVE TO HAVE
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A SENSE OF THEIR WINNING OR GETTING SOMETHING OUT OF IT. YEAH? >> I DID GET A SENSE THAT THE
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| 00:36:26 |
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CONFED CONFEDRACY WAS CAPITULATING. MAYBE TOO MUCH CREDIT -- MAYBE -- ALREADY SHOT ITSELF IN THE FOOT. >> AT THE END OF THE OVERLAND SCAM PAIN IS THE...
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THE SUMMER OF 1864. AND DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT BATTLE CHANGES IT? OF COURSE, THE ARGUMENT IS GRANT DESERVES SOME CREDIT FOR THAT. GRANT IS THE ONE THAT...
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| 00:37:29 |
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AGGRESSIVE. AND, LINCOLN ALSO -- WAS -- HAD MORE OF THE ANNIHILATION TO BE LOOK YOU WANT TO -- HIS GENERALS TO ATTACK LEE'S ARMY. NOT NECESSARILY TAKE...
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| 00:37:55 |
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ARE TACTICAL, NOT STRATEGIC. HE IS STRATEGICALLY VERY GOOD. BUT TACTICALLY LESS
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SO. IN, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT AGAIN, WILDERNESS IN SHARPSBURG.WILDERNESS, HE GETS HIS FLANKS TURNED. THAT DENOTES BAD TACTICAL SKILLS. >> COLD HARBOR. >>...
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SHARPSBURG. >> SAME THING.
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McCLELLAN, '62. SEPTEMBER. >>
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SPOTSYLVANIA. >> THE ANGLE. YES. YES. YOU CAN CERTAINLY CRITICIZE. WE'LL WALK BACK AROUND. THE WAY
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THIS ALL ARE OPEN TO QUESTION. ALTHOUGH IN GRANT'S DEFENSE, IS IT GRANT'S JOB TO BE DOING TACTICAL LEVEL STUFF? >> NO. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE -- >>...
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ISSUE THERE AS MUCH AS ANYTHING ELSE. ALL RIGHT. GRANT, PART OF GRANT'S TROUBLE
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IN THE OVERLAND CAMPAIGN, THIS IS NOT CLEAR IN THE READINGS YOU HAVE. GRANT HAS TWO VERY DIFFERENT AND PROFOUNDLY CONFLICTING HATS. HE IS IN EFFECT THE...
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THEM, YOU ARE GOING TO HURT YOURSELF WORSE. WHEN AN ATTACK DOES COME YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE READY FOR IT. BUILDING ON GRANT, ALWAYS PUSHING BEING...
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FIGHT FOR SOMETHING THEY BELIEVE IN OR PAID TO DO. SO BY NOT ALLOWING THEM TO FIGHT AND BY TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR LIVES, I THIN TICKK THE GENERALS...
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| 00:42:00 |
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CLASS, THE DRAFT WORKS, NOT MEN ARE DIRECTLY CONSCRIPTED. STATES ARE GIVEN QUO TEATAQUOTAS, AND THERE IS INCENTIVEIZED TO PAY BONUS MONEY. >> THEY WERE...
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VOLUNTEER BUYS THIS POINT IN THE WAR. >> DIDN'T THE DRAFT COME IN AFTER
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McCLELLAN WAS REPLACED. >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GRANT. >> IF HE IS
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ARGUING THAT HE IS DOING A DISSERVICE TO HIS MEN BY KEEPING THEM IN THE CAMP. THE DRAFT DOES ANT PLY TO M McCLELLAN. >> FAIR ENOUGH. BY NOT ALLOWING...
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BIT.
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JOHN BELL HOOD. INCREDIBLY AGGRESSIVE. MEN QUITE FOND OF HIM. WHAT HAPPENS? HE DESTROYS HIS OWN ARMY IN EFFECT. BY ATTACKING. I FORGET HIS NAME. GOOD...
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TROOPS. SOME OF THESE CONTROVERSIAL GERMAN GENERALS, ALL OF THEM HAVE EXTRAORDINARY DUBIOUS CAREERS. AND THAT USED TO BE THE JOKE. ANY OF YOU GET...
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TAKE GRANT OVER LEE? ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN. I THINK THERE IS AN EIGHT. THERE IS PEOPLE. ALL RIGHT, EIGHT OR NINE. ALL RIGHT, OKAY....
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WEEKEND. >> APRIL
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