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SWING VOTE" THE UNTAPPED POWER OF INDEPENDENTS. IN THE POLITICAL WRITER AND COLUMNIST ARGUES THE GROWING GROUP OF U.S. ELECTORATE IS MORE UNITED THAN...
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Guest: WELL, "THE SWING VOTE" IS ABOUT OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. IT IS SORT OF WHERE WE ARE ADDED WHERE EVERYTHING IS RIGHT NOW, BUT THE
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IMPETUS FOR THE BOOK WAS THAT 40% OF ALL AMERICAN VOTERS ARE INDEPENDENTS, MORE THAN EITHER REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS, WHICH TO ME MEANS THEY ARE DISSATISFIED...
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UNDEMOCRATIC AND A NUMBER OF WAYS. ONE OF THE WAYS IS THE CLOSED PRIMARY. IN HALF THE STATES IN
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THE COUNTRY, 40% OF ALL THE VOTERS CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE PRIMARIES AND SO THEY HAVE NO SAY IN WHO IS NOMINATED, AND AS A RESULT, WE GET MORE AND...
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| 00:03:46 |
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THAT A FAIR READING AND OUTSIDE THAT SITE IS THE REPUBLICAN SIDE. >> Guest: I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT. I WILL SAY THAT I SET OUT TO BLAME BOTH SIDES EQUALLY....
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| 00:03:57 |
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BOOK, WHEN I STARTED WRITING THE BOOK, I FELT BOTH PARTIES HAD LEANED MORE TO THE EXTREME AND HAD BEEN IGNORING THE CENTER, BUT I THINK IN REPORTING...
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| 00:07:35 |
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DISCIPLINE, BUT THE ATTITUDE TOWARD HAVING POLITICAL HOW ARE? WHAT IS IT? >> Guest: THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK IT HAS BEEN A STRATEGY THAT HAS...
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| 00:07:47 |
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FOR THEM AND COALESCING AND ENERGIZING THEIR BASE. INCREASINGLY, THINK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS TO COME AND I QUOTE TIME DAVIS, FORMER MODERATE REPUBLICAN...
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| 00:09:30 |
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BOOK. DESCRIBE HOW YOU ORGANIZE THE BOOK AND THE WORK YOU DID TO PUT IT TOGETHER. >> Guest: YEAH. FIRST OF ALL, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME WAS...
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| 00:09:43 |
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THE BEDROCK. I WANTED TO DESCRIBE WHO THEY WERE. I WANTED TO PEOPLE TO HEAR THEIR VOICES, SO THAT WAS CRITICAL TO THE INDEPENDENT VOTERS AND I SETTLED...
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INFORMATION. >> Host: BY THE WAY WE SHOULD TELL PEOPLE
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| 00:10:40 |
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IN MANY STATES YOU CAN GET THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO ENROLL BY PARTY AND HOW
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| 00:10:46 |
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MANY STATES? >> Guest: ABOUT HALF, ABOUT HALF. ACTUALLY IN OHIO, IN COLORADO AND NEW HAMPSHIRE I CAN FIND
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| 00:10:57 |
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THE UNAFFILIATED VOTERS. IN VIRGINIA AND OHIO, THEY DON'T REGISTER BY PARTY AND I USED OTHER WAYS TO REACH OUT TO INDEPENDENT VOTERS. BUT I WILL...
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| 00:12:36 |
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ADDITION TO THESE OTHERS I INTERVIEWED ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ACTIVISTS ABOUT HEINZ OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. I MEAN CERTAINLY
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| 00:12:41 |
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AT LEAST 500. >> Host: THAT IS A PRETTY GOOD SAMPLE SIZE. LET'S GET TO YOUR FORD TYPOLOGIES OF
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| 00:12:51 |
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INDEPENDENT VOTERS AND YOU HAVE FOUR SUCCESSIVE CHAPTERS ON THE STATES AND WITH EACH OF THE STATE YOU IDENTIFY A GROUP AND THE FIRST IN MANY WAYS I...
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| 00:13:21 |
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NAMES TO BE FRESH AND THAT. OBVIOUSLY NELSON ROCKEFELLER HAS BEEN GONE FOR QUITE A WHILE, SO THE NPR REPUBLICANS ARE REALLY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. THEY...
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| 00:14:55 |
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I TALKED TO A NUMBER OF FORMER AND CURRENT STATE LEGISLATORS WHO HAD FALLEN TO THE MPR
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| 00:15:01 |
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REPUBLICAN CATEGORY. SOME HAD LOST PRIMARIES AND HAVE BEEN DRIVEN OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE AND SOME WHO WERE STILL IN THERE TRYING TO -- MARGINALIZED...
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| 00:15:30 |
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THE STARBUCKS MOMS AND DADS, AND YOU
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LOCATE THEM IN VIRGINIA. >> Host: . >> Guest: IN THE SUBURBS OF VIRGINIA. THAT IS THE LARGEST GROUP, STARBUCKS MOMS AND DADS. THEY ARE THE REGIONAL VOTERS
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| 00:15:45 |
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AND THE DECIDERS OF
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| 00:15:46 |
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ELECTION. THESE ARE THE SUBURBAN MOMS AND DADS, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE SUBURBS. WAR THAN 50% OF ALL AMERICANS NOW LIVE IN SUBURBS. ONLY IN 1980 IT WAS...
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| 00:16:53 |
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TURNOUT AMONG INDEPENDENTS WERE LOWER
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| 00:16:57 |
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TOO. THEY ARE UP FOR GRABS THIS TIME AROUND. >> Host: HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH THIS GROUP FROM THE NPR REPUBLICANS? THESE PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY ENROLLED
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| 00:17:08 |
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UNAFFILIATED? >> Guest: THE NPR REPUBLICANS ARE A MIXTURE I WOULD SAY OF REPUBLICANS. A NUMBER OF THEM HAVE LEFT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND BECOME INDEPENDENT
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| 00:17:17 |
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BECAUSE OF THEIR FRUSTRATION WITH THE SOCIAL AGENDA. THE STARBUCKS MOMS AND DADS WOULD BE INDEPENDENT, BUT THEY MIGHT ALSO BE CENTER-RIGHT REPUBLICANS...
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| 00:18:04 |
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KNOW. WE ARE USING THE WORD UNAFFILIATED AND INDEPENDENT. >> Guest: THAT'S RIGHT. I USED THE WORD INDEPENDENT FOR THE MORE ACCESSIBLE BUT IN MOST
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| 00:18:17 |
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STATES, THEIR REGISTRATION CATEGORY AS UNAFFILIATED OR UNENROLLED. >> Host: INTERESTING. THE THIRD GROUP, YOUNGER PEOPLE. >> Guest: YOUNGER PEOPLE, THE...
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| 00:18:30 |
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UNDER 35. THEY ARE REGISTERED IN THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF INDEPENDENTS OF ANY OTHER
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| 00:18:35 |
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AGE GROUP. NOW THEY VOTED BIG-TIME FOR BARACK OBAMA IN 2008, BUT I THINK THERE'S A BIG QUESTION, NOT SO MUCH WHO THE REPUBLICANS ARE THINKING OF NOMINATING...
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| 00:20:38 |
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I THINK --
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| 00:20:39 |
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I THINK THEY LIKE RON PAUL AND HIS LIBERTARIAN VIEWS AND THEY LIKE HIM BECAUSE HE IS A DANDY OF A TRUTH TELLER. THEY WANT A POLITICIAN THAT TELLS A...
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| 00:21:04 |
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THE AMERICAN FIRST DEMOCRAT. THESE ARE THE REAGAN DEMOCRATS TRADITIONALLY THOUGHT OF AS REAGAN DEMOCRATS. THESE WOULD BE THE RUST BELT
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| 00:21:12 |
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OF THE MIDWEST WOULD BE A PLACE WHERE YOU WOULD FIND A LOT OF THESE. ALTHOUGH MASSACHUSETTS, THAT IS WHERE SCOTT BROWN WAS ELECTED TO THE SENATE. THERE...
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| 00:21:40 |
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MIDDLE CLASS, MANUFACTURING-BASED EMPLOYEES,
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| 00:21:43 |
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POLICEMEN, FIREMEN, TEACHERS CAN BE AMERICA FIRST DEMOCRATS IN THE MIDWEST, AND THEY ARE MORE SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE THAN PROBABLY ANY OF THE OTHER GROUPS....
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| 00:23:10 |
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DEMOCRATS, CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS, WHAT WITH THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO DO TO WIN THE ALLEGIANCE OF THESE GROUPS AND WHEN DOING THOSE THINGS NECESSARILY...
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| 00:23:32 |
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COULD DO THE SAME THING TO WIN THIS GROUP. I THINK IT WILL TO A CERTAIN EXTENT TURN OFF THE BASE, BOTH OF THEIR BASES BUT I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE NEED....
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| 00:25:42 |
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DEAD-END? IS THAT IDEOLOGY? IS THAT THE KIND OF PARTISANSHIP THAT STARTED IN THE '90s? IT'S ALL OF THOSE THINGS OF COURSE BUT WHAT IS THE MAIN THING...
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| 00:26:03 |
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REPUBLICAN REVOLUTION AND I WROTE ABOUT NEWT GINGRICH QUITE A BIT IN THAT BOOK AND I'VE WRITTEN ABOUT HIM RECENTLY. I THINK IT IS SPARED THAT HE IS THE...
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| 00:29:34 |
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AND LARGELY MALE, A MAJORITY OF MEN AND
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| 00:29:37 |
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THEY HAVE THIS MENTALITY. THERE ARE WINNERS AND LOSERS. WE ARE GOING TO BEAT THEIR BRAINS OUT YOU KNOW, AND THAT IS THE MINDSET. NOT THAT WE ARE GOING...
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| 00:30:00 |
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IDEA. THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM AND IT HAS DRIVEN
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| 00:30:02 |
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TO MAYBE NOT BE SO GOOD IN TERMS OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND THEN WE HAVE THE SUPREME COURT CITIZENS UNITED DECISION. THERE IS NO DOUBT THE MONEY...
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| 00:31:36 |
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BILLION DOLLARS LOBBYING AGAINST THE HEALTH CARE BILL, AGAINST THE INCLUSION OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF IT. >> Guest: SAME WITH WALL STREET REFORM. >>...
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| 00:31:53 |
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YOU DEAL WITH THAT. IS
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| 00:31:54 |
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A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT. I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW YOU DEAL WITH
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| 00:31:58 |
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THAT. EXCEPT VOTERS, I MEAN MEMBERS CARE ABOUT MONEY, BECAUSE THEY WANT IT TO PAY FOR CAMPAIGNS THAT IS A MEANS TO AN AND. MOSTLY THEY CARE ABOUT VOTES,...
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| 00:32:37 |
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TALKED WITH MARK WARNER SO HE IS OBVIOUSLY ONE. TALK ABOUT HIM A LITTLE BIT AND WHO ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE AND YOU ARE SOME OTHER. >> Guest: OBVIOUSLY...
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| 00:32:57 |
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Host: WHAT ARE THEY ACTUALLY DONE? >> Guest: HERE'S THE THING, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, THINK THEY HAVE BEEN
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| 00:33:04 |
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KIND OF -- OLYMPIA
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| 00:33:06 |
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SNOWE IS RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION THIS YEAR AND I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN KIND OF COWED INTO YOU KNOW, SHE WILL UNDOUBTEDLY HAVE A TEA PARTY CHALLENGER. >>...
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| 00:33:27 |
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REPUBLICANS. SOMEONE LIKE SENATOR LUGAR
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| 00:33:30 |
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FROM INDIANA, ANOTHER PERSON, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS WITH A LONG HISTORY OF WORKING IN A BIPARTISAN WAY. EVEN ORRIN HATCH FROM UTAH...
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| 00:34:03 |
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FISCALLY
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| 00:34:05 |
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CONSERVATIVE. HE TOOK SOME TIME OFF AND BECAME A SENATOR FROM OKLAHOMA. TOM COBURN WAS IN THE GANG OF SIX AND I THINK, I HAVE ALWAYS FOUND HIM A REPUBLICAN....
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| 00:34:56 |
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WANTS. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. >>
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| 00:35:00 |
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Host: LET'S SKIP AHEAD A LITTLE BIT AND TALK ABOUT SOLUTIONS. THEY ARE HARD TO COME
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| 00:35:07 |
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BY. I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT'S A LITTLE BRIEF BUT I DON'T BLAME YOU BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO ABOUT THIS. LET ME TALK...
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| 00:35:47 |
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BE EXTENDING THEIR ENERGIES. WE WILL PUT IT THAT WAY. >> Guest: I WILL SAY,
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| 00:35:52 |
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AND WERE GOING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT AN INDEPENDENT CHALLENGE THIS YEAR AS THIS GROUP OF AMERICANS GETS GOING. THIS IS A GROUP THAT
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| 00:35:59 |
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HAS RAISED $20 MILLION. THEY ARE ON THE BALLOT IN ALL 50 STATES. WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS COLLECTING SIGNATURES IN GETTING ON THE BALLOT WITHOUT IT CANDIDATE...
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| 00:36:30 |
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I'VE NOT GIVING PEOPLE OF INTEREST BUT CONDOLEEZZA RICE OR
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| 00:36:36 |
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GENERAL PETRAEUS OR CERTAINLY JOHN HUNTSMAN JOHN HUNTSMAN IS THE KIND OF CANDIDATE THAT I THINK WOULD. HE SAID HE HAS NO INTEREST IN RUNNING AS A THIRD...
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| 00:38:38 |
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THE ARGUMENT THAT WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR SO STRAPPED AND SO STRAIGHTENED AND WITH CREDIT SO TIGHT, JUST LIKE WE ARE HEARING ABOUT AUTO BAILOUT AND THE...
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| 00:39:13 |
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PRIVATE SECTOR DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY AND SOMEBODY HAD TO PUT MONEY INTO THE ECONOMY TO KEEP THINGS FLOWING. >>
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| 00:39:19 |
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Guest: WELL I THINK THEY WERE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THE STIMULUS BILL HELPED KEEP TEACHERS, FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE IN A
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| 00:39:26 |
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PLACE WHERE IT AT A TIME WHEN STATE GOVERNMENT WHICH HAD TO BALANCE THEIR BUDGET OR CUTTING VERY SEVERELY. I THINK YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH THE DEFICIT...
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| 00:40:46 |
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THE LEADERSHIP. AND SO I THINK -- >> Host: OBAMA
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| 00:40:54 |
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WAS FLOATING A GRAND BARGAIN WITH JOHN BANNER OVER THE DEBT CEILING NEGOTIATIONS BUT OBAMA TRIED TO GET A LITTLE GROUND ON ENTITLEMENTS AND THE
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| 00:41:03 |
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DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS WOULD NOT HAVE GONE THERE. >> Guest: I DO THINK THE SIMPSON-BOWLES COMMISSION, WHICH AT THE END OF 2010
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| 00:41:13 |
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RELEASED ITS REPORT AND WAS VERY SUBSTANTIVE AND CONFERENCE AND THE PRESIDENT KIND OF IGNORED IT AND JUST SORT OF LET IT LAY THERE. I THINK THAT WAS...
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| 00:42:55 |
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BOOK ABOUT OPENING UP THE PRIMARY PROCESS. WHAT DOES THAT DO? >> Guest: I THINK WHAT I TALK ABOUT IS FAIRLY MODEST. I DON'T SAY WE NEED A THIRD PARTY....
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| 00:43:23 |
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FOR. OPENING THE PRIMARIES IS ONE THAT IS VERY DOABLE. I THINK CITIZENS SHOULD PUSH FOR THIS. DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA IS ONE PLACE. NINE EXISTED TO BEGIN...
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| 00:44:25 |
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ANALYSIS. IT WOULD ALSO TAKE PARTICIPATION. THEY WOULD HAVE
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| 00:44:30 |
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TO SHOW UP AND VOTE TO. >> THAT IS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED OVER TIME. I DO THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
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| 00:44:42 |
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ARE ALSO TALK A BAR REDISTRICTING. THESE THINGS THAT CALIFORNIA IS WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. IT HAS ADOPTED SAID T. YOUR TOP TWO SYSTEM. I HAVE RESERVATIONS...
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| 00:48:48 |
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NEW HAVEN OF VERY IDYLLIC COMMUNITY. AND HAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GREEN AND ALL OF NEW ENGLAND. >> Host: YOU WERE A JOURNALIST AT NPR FOR HOW LONG?...
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| 00:49:20 |
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WOULD HAVE. NEWSPAPERS, THE TELEGRAM
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| 00:49:24 |
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IN MASSACHUSETTS, "FORBES" MAGAZINE, THAN NPR. THEN I LEFT TO WRITE MY FIRST BOOK THE FRESHMAN. AND FOR SOME YEARS AFTER THAT I WAS THE GOOD DIRECTOR...
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| 00:49:57 |
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THEIR. IT IS CREATED
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| 00:50:14 |
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AS A LIVING TRIBUTE TO WOODROW WILSON WHO WAS THE ONLY PH.D. PRESIDENT WE HAVE NEVER HAD. HE WAS PRESIDENT OF PRINCETON THE FOUR ELECTED PRESIDENT. ...
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| 00:50:47 |
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THE FAIR DURING SUPER TUESDAY
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WEEK. I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I WILL MAKE A TRIP TO ENGLAND AT THE END OF MARCH. I'LL SPEAK AT A FEW COLLEGES IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND AT THE MAIN...
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| 00:51:49 |
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OVERLY CRITICAL OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT I AM FAIRLY CRITICAL OF FORMER SPEAKER PELOSI WHO I THINK IN DANGER DONE NECESSARILY HER CENTRIST DEMOCRATS...
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| 00:52:29 |
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CARE. THAT PASSED
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| 00:52:31 |
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WITHOUT A SINGLE REPUBLICAN VOTE. THE DEMOCRAT DECISION TO DO THAT AS OPPOSED TO FOCUSING ON THE ECONOMY I PERSONALLY THINK WAS A MISTAKE PROGRESSIVE...
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| 00:54:27 |
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CONSENSUS, NOT
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| 00:54:28 |
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CONFRONTATIONAL. AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT HIS RELATIVE LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN THE SENATE BEFORE HERB BEING ELECTED PRESIDENT. >> Host: TALK ABOUT THE...
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| 00:54:47 |
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IS NOT CONTROVERSIAL TO SAY THE PARTY HAS GONE FURTHER OUT TO THE RIGHT
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| 00:54:53 |
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TO THIS
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| 00:54:54 |
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TIME. WHAT THE USE THE IS THE FUTURE? I AM VERY CURIOUS TO ONE. >> Host: WHAT MIGHT CHANGE THE DYNAMIC. >> Guest: I DON'T KNOW. ON HIS WAY. ONE YEAR-AGO...
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| 00:55:23 |
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TO CHALLENGE
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| 00:55:24 |
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BARACK OBAMA BUT BUT THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN AND MITT ROMNEY HAS SPUN HIMSELF 1 MILLION TIMES TO APPEAL TO THE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT TO MAKE...
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| 00:57:33 |
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TIME, I DO YOU THINK THE SYSTEM COULD BE IN BETTER SHAPE THAN IT IS NOW? >> Guest: I HOPE SO. I REALLY HOPE ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE FED UP UP,...
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| 00:57:49 |
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WHO SAY YES, SOMEONE GETS IT. THEY HEAR WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT AND GET ACTIVE. WE FACE SUCH AN SERIOUS PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE TO REFORM THE SYSTEM...
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oBoBoBoBoBoB >> [APPLAUSE]
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