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COMMITTEE CHAIR DARRELL ISSA REPEATED HIS THREAT TO ISSUE A CONTEMPT CITATION IF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAND OVER DOCUMENTS WITH THE FAST AND...
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| 00:00:45 |
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MISSION EXISTS FOR TWO MISUNDERSTAND MENTAL -- FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES. FIRST, MONEY SPENT, SECOND, AMERICANS DESERVE AN EFFICIENT GOVERNMENT. OUR DUTY...
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| 00:08:34 |
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MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO WELCOME THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TODAY. MR. CHAIRMAN WHEN THE COMMITTEE STARTED THIS INVESTIGATION ALMOST A YEAR AGO, YOU...
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| 00:10:16 |
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OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. >> THANK YOU, MR.
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| 00:10:18 |
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CHAIRMAN. THIS 95-PAGE REPORT CALLED FATALLY FLAWED FIVE YEARS OF GUN WALKING IN ARIZONA PROVIDES A DETAILED AND COMPREHENSIVE ACCOUNT OF WHAT WE...
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| 00:14:35 |
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GENTLEMAN. MAJORITY CONSENT THAT MEMO AND RELATED MATERIALS BE IN THE RECORD. WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED. I'LL NOW RECOGNIZE MYSELF FOR FIVE MINUTES....
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| 00:16:27 |
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DO. >> LET THE
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| 00:16:28 |
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RECORD REPRESENT AN AFFIRMATIVE ANSWER. THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. IN ORDER TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION, THE COMMITTEE LIKE ALL COMMITTEES WILL...
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| 00:17:06 |
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THANK YOU. I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANCE OF CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT AND BECAUSE I'M COMMITTED TO ENSURING THE HIGHEST...
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| 00:26:51 |
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I THANK THE GENTLEMAN. BEFORE I BEGIN MY QUESTIONING, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD YOU AGREE TO RELEASE TO US LEGAL OPINIONS ON THE CONSTITUTIONALITY...
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| 00:27:19 |
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OR MY TIME ON THIS POINT. LET'S GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF ITEMS HERE. FIRST OF ALL, REPORTED THROUGH DISCOVERY WE HAVE RECEIVED MR. MONTY WILKINSON MAY...
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| 00:28:13 |
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MURDER OCCURRED DECEMBER 14th. I HEARD ABOUT IT PROBABLY WITHIN 24 HOURS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAME FROM MONTY WILKINSON OR SOMEBODY ELSE FROM MY STAFF....
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| 00:28:26 |
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ABOUT THAT WITHIN 24 HOURS, DID ANYONE INFORM YOU OR ALLUDE TO THE FACT THAT WEAPONS FOUND AT THE SCENE WERE FROM FAST AND FURIOUS? >>
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| 00:28:35 |
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NO. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT OPERATION FAST AND FURIOUS UNTIL THE BEGINNING PARTS OF 2011 AFTER I RECEIVED THAT LETTER FROM SENATOR GRASSLEY AT THE END...
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| 00:28:53 |
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AVAILABLE TO US, THROUGH WHATEVER RECORDS CAN YOU FIND, THE NAME OF THE PERSON WHO INFORMED YOU, SO WE CAN ASCERTAIN WHY THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD NOT OR...
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| 00:29:26 |
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KEPT IT FROM ME. I FOUND ABOUT IT IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY OF 2011. I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LETTER...
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| 00:29:53 |
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YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE TO SAY NEITHER LENNY BREWER, AS HEAD OF THE CRIMINAL DIVISION NOR JASON WINESTEIN DID ANYTHING TO STOP THE PROGRAM AFTER THEY LEARNED...
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| 00:30:06 |
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STOP THE PROGRAM. >> FAST
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| 00:30:09 |
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AND FURIOUS PRIOR TO BRIAN TERRY'S DEBT? >> THEY BOTH ADMITTED THEY
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| 00:30:15 |
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WERE AWARE OF OPERATION WIDE RECEIVER AND CONNECTED THE TECHNIQUES USED IN WIDE RECEIVER TO OPERATION FAST AND FURIOUS AND AS A RESULT DID NOT TAKE...
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| 00:30:29 |
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GO THROUGH THIS, I THINK IN MY LIMITED TIME I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DEAL WITH WIDE RECEIVER VERSUS FAST AND FURIOUS. AS OF TODAY, DO YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT...
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| 00:30:56 |
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SEE THEM -- >> IN OTHER
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| 00:30:58 |
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WORDS, DOES LAW ENFORCEMENT HAVE THE ABILITY TO FOLLOW SUSPECTED GUN TRAFFICKERS WITH THE WEAPONS IN THEIR CAR FROM LOCATION TO LOCATION? >> KEEP
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| 00:31:09 |
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THEM UNDER CONSTANT SURVEILLANCE? >>
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| 00:31:11 |
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YES. >>
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| 00:31:12 |
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THEY CERTAINLY HAVE THAT CAPACITY. >> SO AS FAR AS WE'VE
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| 00:31:14 |
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BEEN REPORTED EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE SHOWS IN GUN WALKER -- I'M SORRY, WIDE RECEIVER EVERY EFFORT WAS MADE UNSUCCESSFULLY IN MANY CASES, WHICH IS...
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| 00:31:35 |
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DURING THE EARLY -- AS I'VE SEEN MORE ON WIDE RECEIVER AS WE HAVE PROVIDED -- >> YES OR NO WOULD BE
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| 00:31:42 |
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A GOOD START, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. DO YOU KNOW OF ANY TIME IN WHICH PEOPLE WERE ORDERED TO PEEL OFF AND LET GUNS WALK UNDER WIDE RECEIVER. >>
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| 00:31:52 |
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I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THEY WERE ORDERED TO OR NOT. I DO KNOW DURING THE EARLY PHASES OF INVESTIGATION OBSERVATIONS WERE MADE OF PEOPLE BUYING GUNS AND...
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| 00:32:18 |
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TO SIMPLY LET KNOWN STRAW BUYERS, KNOWN GUNS FALL INTO ILLICIT CRIMINAL'S HANDS, HAVE YOU TAKEN ANY ACTION TO FIRE ANYONE OR DISCIPLINE ANYONE FROM...
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| 00:32:33 |
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RECEIVER OCCURRED IN THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION. >> WE'RE NOT TALKING
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| 00:32:36 |
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ABOUT POLITICAL APPOINTEES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WOULD TRANSCEND THE TRANSITION. HAVE YOU, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DISCIPLINED ANYONE FROM WIDE...
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| 00:32:49 |
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NOT. >> HAVE YOU
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| 00:32:50 |
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DISCIPLINED ANYONE FROM FAST AND FURIOUS? >> I HAVE NOT AS OF YET. THERE HAVE BEEN PERSONNEL CHANGES MADE AT ATF, A NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL IN ARIZONA,...
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IS BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT THE MAJORITY PRESENTED, THAT THE MAJORITY PRESENTED. YOU ALL HEARD THE SAME EVIDENCE WE HEARD. BASICALLY LOOKED AT...
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| 00:35:53 |
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ME A GREAT DEAL WHEN ONE SEES THE DEATH TOLL WE HAVE SEEN IN MEXICO, 40, 50,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 64,000 GUNS TRACED...
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| 00:36:52 |
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DEPUTY BECAME CONCERNED IN 2010 ABOUT THE NUMBER OF WEAPONS INVOLVED IN FAST AND FURIOUS, HE TOLD US HE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT GUN WALKING BUT ORDERED AN...
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| 00:38:07 |
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ATTENTION BETWEEN THE FIELD AND HEADQUARTERS. I HAVE BEEN IN THE FIELD AND HEADQUARTERS. DEPENDING WHERE I SIT, GREATER WISDOM IS IN THAT PLACE. WE...
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| 00:39:39 |
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REPORT. >> THANK YOU. MY TIME IS UP. >> THANK
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| 00:39:41 |
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YOU. WE GO TO FORMER CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE FOR FIVE MINUTES. >> NICE SEEING
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| 00:39:47 |
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YOU AGAIN. >> IT'S BEEN A
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| 00:39:49 |
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WHILE. >> IT
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| 00:39:52 |
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SURE HAS. IT'S VERY INTERESTING, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, FOR SIX YEARS I REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE WITH JANET RENO AND DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL. WE FOUGHT...
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| 00:42:35 |
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RECORD, I WAS ONLY A DEPUTY ATTORNEY FOR FOUR YEARS. SEEMED LIKE SIX. >> SEEMED LIKE LONGER
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| 00:42:40 |
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THAN THAT FOR ME. >> ALL
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| 00:42:44 |
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RIGHT. LONGER THAN SIX FOR ME AS WELL. >>
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| 00:42:48 |
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WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? >> I'LL BE
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| 00:42:50 |
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HAPPY TO YIELD. >> SINCE MR. CUNNINGHAM
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| 00:42:53 |
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HAS TAKEN THE FIFTH, I WOULD SAY NONE OF US HAVE THAT DIRECT AUTHORITY. TO ADD TO THAT WOULD YOU MAKE ALL INFORMATION ON MR. CUNNINGHAM UNREDACTED...
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| 00:43:15 |
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OF MAKING AVAILABLE, I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU GET THE NUMBER OF 93,000 DOCUMENTS. THE REDACTIONS THAT OCCURRED ARE ONLY BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE...
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| 00:44:03 |
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HIM TO LEAVE, I
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| 00:44:04 |
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GUESS, DIDN'T YOU? >> NO. >>
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| 00:44:05 |
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YOU DIDN'T? >> NO. >> HE LEFT ON HIS OWN
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| 00:44:07 |
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AFTER HE TOOK THE FIFTH AMENDMENT? >> HE HAD PLANNED TO
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| 00:44:11 |
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LEAVE WELL BEFORE HE INVOKED HIS FIFTH AMENDMENT PRIVILEGE TO TAKE A JOB IN PRIVATE PRACTICE OR AT A PRIVATE COMPANY. >> I UNDERSTAND THE
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| 00:44:20 |
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IG HAS 80,000 DOCUMENTS AND YOU'VE GIVEN US 6,000. WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 93 OR 80,000, THIS COMMITTEE HAS ASKED FOR THOSE AND HAS NOT GOTTEN...
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| 00:45:05 |
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AGENT DOTSON AT THE BEGINNING OF THE HEARING WHEN THE AGENT BROUGHT HIM BY, GAVE HIM MY TELEPHONE NUMBER IF HE WANTS TO GIVE ME A CALL -- >> GIVE YOU...
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| 00:45:14 |
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CALL? WHY DON'T YOU CALL HIM AND APOLOGIZE. YOU'RE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES. YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF THESE PEOPLE. THEY WERE, IN EFFECT,...
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| 00:45:36 |
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BEING CALLED LIARS. WE TRIED TO TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT. I DON'T THINK ANY ADVERSE ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN AGAINST ANYBODY THAT CAME AND TESTIFIED BEFORE...
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| 00:46:01 |
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CALL HIM. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> DID YOU WAN TO ANSWER ON
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| 00:46:05 |
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THE CUNNINGHAM QUESTION ON MATERIALS NOW THAT HE HAS LEFT UNDER THIS CLOUD? >>
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| 00:46:09 |
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YEAH. I WOULDN'T SAY IT WAS UNDER A CLOUD. >> TAKING THE FIFTH IS NOT
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| 00:46:14 |
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A CLOUD. >> I DON'T KNOW WHY HE
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| 00:46:16 |
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TOOK THE FIFTH. THERE ARE A VARIETY OF REASONS, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH APPARENTLY THERE WAS A REPORT ISSUED BY THIS COMMITTEE OR STATEMENT BY THIS COMMITTEE...
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| 00:46:48 |
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YOU. WE NOW RECOGNIZE THE OTHER FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE FOR FIVE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU VERY
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| 00:46:58 |
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MUCH. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS COMMITTEE HAS NOT OBTAINED ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT WOULD CONTRADETECTIVE YOUR TESTIMONY, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. NOT ONE...
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| 00:47:36 |
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WALKING? >> I DID NOT. I'LL SAY IT THAT WAY. I'M FROM NEW YORK. I WOULD SAY IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR THIS COMMITTEE...
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| 00:47:47 |
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YORK, SO I WOULD UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER. OF COURSE MY COLLEAGUE NEXT TO ME WOULD ALSO. DID YOU EVER AUTHORIZE THE CONTROVERSIAL TACTICS EMPLOYED IN...
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| 00:48:08 |
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NOT ONLY DID I NOT AUTHORIZE THOSE TACTICS. WHEN I FOUND ABOUT THEM, I TOLD EVERYBODY IN THE FIELD AND EVERYBODY IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THOSE...
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| 00:48:33 |
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DID DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL GARY GWINDLER OR ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL LANNY BREWER AUTHORIZE GUN WALKING OR TACTICS EMPLOYED IN FAST AND FURIOUS....
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| 00:48:48 |
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NOT. >> LET ME
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| 00:48:49 |
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ASK THIS. IF YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED TO APPROVE OF GUN WALKING, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE SAID? >> NO,
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| 00:49:03 |
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SIMPLE. THERE'S QUESTIONS IN CORRUPTION CASES WHEN YOU DECIDE ARE YOU GOING TO LET THE MONEY WALK. THERE ARE QUESTIONS IN NARCOTICS CASES, ARE YOU GOING...
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| 00:49:40 |
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YOU WERE ASKED OR TOLD BY THE ATF OR UNITED NATIONS ATTORNEYS OFFICE ABOUT THE TACTICS IN OPERATION FAST AND FURIOUS, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE ACTED OR RESPONDED?...
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| 00:49:53 |
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WAY HE DID IN EARLY MARCH 2011 BY TELLING EVERYBODY IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DON'T DO THIS. IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. IT'S STUPID. IT'S DANGEROUS AND NOT SOMETHING...
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| 00:50:10 |
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FOR COMING UP. OF COURSE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. I THINK IT IS PRETTY CLEAR THE ATTEMPTS TO TARNISH YOUR REPUTATION WITH THESE UNSUBSTANTIATED...
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| 00:50:32 |
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THE GENTLEMAN. WE NOW GO TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM NORTH CAROLINA MR. HENRY FOR FIVE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU, MR.
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| 00:50:39 |
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CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, ATTORNEY GENERAL HOLDER FOR BEING HERE. LISTENING TO THE ANSWER YOU HAD FROM THE FORMER CHAIRMAN, IT SEEMS TO ME WHEN YOU SAW...
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| 00:51:45 |
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HAVE TAKEN STEPS. >> YOU TOLD PEOPLE YOU'RE
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| 00:51:48 |
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MAD, UPSET. THAT TO ME IS SILLY. YOU'VE NOT TAKEN ACTION. YOU HAVEN'T FIRED ANYBODY, CHANGED POLICY. IT'S CLEAR YOU DIDN'T ENFORCE A POLICY BEFORE....
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| 00:52:08 |
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UNDERSTAND HOW THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WORKS. I DIDN'T EXPRESS THE FACT I WAS MAD OR IT WAS SILLY, I ISSUED A DIRECTIVE. WHEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF...
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| 00:53:00 |
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AND YOUR ACTION IS TO MOVE PEOPLE AROUND. THAT SEEMS TO ME TO SIMPLY INCONVENIENCE PEOPLE, NOT TO RID THEM OF FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT. >> WELL, TO THE...
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| 00:53:11 |
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WE FIND OUT WHO PRECISELY WAS INVOLVED IN THIS OR GAVE THAT ORDER, I CAN ASSURE YOU UNLESS THERE'S A TRULY COMPELLING CIRCUMSTANCE THOSE PEOPLE WILL...
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| 00:53:36 |
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SOON. THIRTEEN MONTHS
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| 00:53:37 |
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LATER. >> NO. THESE MATTERS -- >> IT'S 13
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| 00:53:39 |
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MONTHS AFTER THE FACT, SIR. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. AT WHAT POINT ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE ACTION? >> AS SOON AS
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| 00:53:45 |
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WE'RE IN A POSITION TO MAKE ARRESTS AND HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, PUT THEM IN A COURT OF LAW AND TRY THEM WITH MAXIMUM CHARGES. >> IS THAT LIKELY THIS
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| 00:53:57 |
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YEAR? >> IT'S LIKELY THIS
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| 00:53:58 |
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YEAR. >> IS
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| 00:53:59 |
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IT LIKELY IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS? >> YES,
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| 00:54:01 |
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I THINK IT'S LIKELY IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. >> COULD YOU SEE THAT
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| 00:54:05 |
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HAPPENING THIS QUARTER? >> WHEN DOES THIS QUARTER
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| 00:54:07 |
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END? I DON'T KNOW. >>
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| 00:54:10 |
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MARCH 31st. >>
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| 00:54:11 |
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POSSIBLE. >>
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| 00:54:13 |
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POSSIBLE. OKAY. THIRTEEN MONTHS LATER WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMEBODY ACTUALLY BEING PUNISHED FOR AN AGENT BEING KILLED. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD....
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| 00:54:25 |
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ABSURD. IT TAKES TIME TO BUILD A CASE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE BEFORE A JURY WITH A HIGH STANDARD OF PROOF, CONVICT SOMEBODY, HOLD THEM...
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| 00:55:02 |
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FOR YIELDING. QUICKLY FOLLOWING UP, I -- MR. BREWER IS NOT GOING TO BE CRIMINALLY INDICTED OR ANYTHING ELSE. NOW IS YOUR MANAGEMENT A HANDS OFF OR...
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| 00:55:32 |
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HANDS ON STYLE. >> IF YOU HAVE A
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| 00:55:36 |
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HANDS ON STYLE, YOU HAVE READ ANY OF OR BEEN FULLY BRIEFED ON ANY OF THE WIRETAPS INCLUDING THE MARCH 10th WIRETAP IN THIS CASE? >> THESE WIRETAPS...
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| 00:55:50 |
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VERY VOLUMINOUS. I HAVE NOT READ THEM. >> THIS HAS
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| 00:55:53 |
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BEEN PUBLICLY REPORTED THAT HE WAS SICK TO HIS STOMACH WHEN HE DISCOVERED THIS WAS APPROVED BY LANNY BREWER'S OFFICE. INDICATIONS ARE THAT YOUR CHIEF...
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| 00:56:54 |
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YOU MEAN THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S REPORT. >> YES, I'M SORRY,
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| 00:56:57 |
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MR. GENERAL. I KEEP CONFUSING THE TWO GENERALS. YES, I VERY MUCH KNOW YOU'RE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S REPORT WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE REASON FOR THE DELAY...
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| 00:57:08 |
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YOU PACKED A LOT INTO THAT QUESTION. I THINK FIRST OFF, THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT MR. BREWER OR MY FORMER DEPUTY WERE AWARE OF THE TACTICS THAT WERE...
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| 00:58:09 |
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I APPRECIATE. THAT FOR THE RECORD, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE NOT COVERED BY THAT PROHIBITION. MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE NOT IN ANY WAY UNDER THAT ORDER....
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| 00:58:38 |
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RESPECT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT DIRECTION THAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE MEDIA AND CONGRESS AND COURT ORDERS IS REALLY INCORRECT. I THINK YOU ACT AT...
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| 00:58:49 |
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WELL, CERTAINLY WE WOULD SAY THAT THE RELEASE OF INFORMATION FROM OUR TESTIMONY OF KEN TI NELSON, ATE PEARS TO HAVE BEEN LEAKED TO YOUR PEOPLE ALSO...
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| 00:59:05 |
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| 00:59:27 |
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CONFIRM A PERMANENT ATF DIRECTOR. THAT WOULD HELP MORE THAN ANYTHING. HE ALSO CALLED FOR A FEDERAL FIRE ARMS TRAFFICKING STATUTE. HE CALLED FOR APPROPRIATE...
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| 01:01:27 |
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TIME I'VE TESTIFIED ABOUT FAST AND FURIOUS. >> THIS IS THE
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| 01:01:30 |
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SIXTH TIME HE TESTIFIED ON FAST AND FURIOUS. AND HE HANDED OUT A LIST OF WHAT HIS RESPONSIBILITIES ARE WHICH I WOULD LIKE HIM TO BE ABLE TO DO. AND I...
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| 01:02:46 |
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THE AGENT. THERE IS A NEED FOR A FEDERAL FIREARMS TRAFFICKING STATUTE. WE NEED INCREASED PENALTIES FOR STRAW PURCHASES WHO ENGAGE IN THAT KIND OF INAPPROPRIATE...
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| 01:03:09 |
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MEXICO. >> OKAY. AFTER THAT HEARING WITH SPECIAL AGENT FASELLI, I WORKED WITH RANKING MEMBER CUMMINGS AND CONGRESSMAN TOWNSEND AND WE DRAFTED A BILL...
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| 01:04:53 |
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LADY YIELD? >> YES, I MOST
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| 01:04:55 |
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CERTAINLY WILL. >> I JOIN WITH YOU
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| 01:04:58 |
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IN BELIEVING THAT ANDREW TRADER, THE 2010, NOVEMBER 2010 DEZ IGSIGNANT SHOULD BE CONFIRMED. NO ONE WAS PUT UP FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF THE OBAMA...
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| 01:05:24 |
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THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR SUPPORTING THE CONFIRMATION. YOU CERTAINLY CAN HELP US MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >>
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| 01:05:33 |
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WE NOW RECOGNIZE THE GENTLEMAN FROM UTAH. >> THANK YOU,
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| 01:05:36 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR BEING HERE. I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS ON DECEMBER 8 OF...
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| 01:06:02 |
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REGARD TO SECRETARY IN A NAPOLITANOIN A NAPOLITANO NAPOLITANO, YES. >> SECRETARY CLINTON,
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| 01:06:07 |
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YOU HAVE SPOKEN WITH HER ABOUT FAST AND FURIOUS? >> NO,
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| 01:06:09 |
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I'M -- NO. I SHOULD SAY NO. SECRETARY NAPOLITANO KNOW, SECRETARY CLINTON NO AND PASSING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT JUST ABOUT THE FACT OF ME...
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| 01:06:24 |
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RELEASE SAYING YOU MET TOGETHER. THIS WAS ON THE HEELS OF THE AGENT SOPADA. THERE WERE QUESTIONS WHETHER THERE WERE TIES TO FAST AND FURIOUS. YOU...
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| 01:06:54 |
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THE STATE DEPARTMENT. I HAVE NOT INTERACTED WITH SECRETARY CLINTON WITH REGARD TO FAST AND FURIOUS. >> I WAS QUESTIONING
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| 01:07:03 |
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WHETHER OR NOT YOU ACTUALLY HAD INTERACTION AND WORDS FAST AND FURIOUS CAME UP. YOU SAID, AND I QUOTE, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING ABOUT THE WAY...
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| 01:07:19 |
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THE THINGS I WAS SAYING OR TRYING TO SAY AND I GOT CUT OFF WAS THAT WHEN PEOPLE KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BE THE SUBJECT OF THESE KINDS OF HEARING AND SIX...
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| 01:07:48 |
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THEY'RE WITHHOLDING INFORMATION FROM YOU? >>
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| 01:07:50 |
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NO THEY'RE NOT. >> YOU JUST
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| 01:07:51 |
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SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE YOU THE INFORMATION BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DRAG YOU INTO IT. >> I SAID THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS...
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| 01:07:55 |
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| 01:08:38 |
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| 01:08:41 |
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INTERACTION BETWEEN THESE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES? >> THERE
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| 01:08:53 |
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IS NOT ONLY AN EXPECTATION, I KNOW THAT THERE IS THAT KIND OF INTERACTION BECAUSE WITH REGARD TO, FOR INSTANCE, THE DEATH OF AGENT TERRY, I KNOW THAT...
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| 01:09:03 |
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FBI. >> WHAT ABOUT THE STATE DEPARTMENT? WHAT ABOUT THE STATE DEPARTMENT? >> STATE -- YOU
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| 01:09:08 |
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KNOW, STATE DOESN'T HAVE AS DIRECT A ROLE. OBVIOUSLY WE INTERACT WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS IN MEXICO. AND WE TALK TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND INFORM THEM...
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| 01:09:26 |
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PARAGRAPH FIVE YOU IS TALK ABOUT THE NATIONAL SECURITY CRISIS ALONG THE BORDER. I GUESS MY CONCERN, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, IS YOU HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT...
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| 01:09:40 |
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IS. AND THROUGH OTHER WAYS IN WHICH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT COMPONENTS TALK TO ONE ANOTHER. WE ARE -- >> THEN
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| 01:09:46 |
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WHY IS -- >>
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| 01:09:47 |
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SORRY. MY TIME IS SO SHORT. >> WILL
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| 01:09:51 |
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THE GENTLEMAN SUSPEND THE QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE A POINT OF ORDER? >> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. IF YOU ASK A QUESTION, HE SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER...
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| 01:09:54 |
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DISRESPECT. THE GENTLEMAN WAS WITHIN HIS RIGHTS. BUT I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BECAUSE THE PAST CHAIRMAN AND MY POLICY ARE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE...
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| 01:11:01 |
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WOULD ASK THAT WITHOUT STARTING AT THE CLOCK AGAIN, IF WE CAN -- IF HE WANTS TO FULLY ANSWER THAT, IN CONCERN TO MR. TOWNS, I JUST WANT TO DO THE...
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ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE GENTLEMAN WILL CONTINUE. >> IF YOU WANT
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TO MORE COMPLETELY ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PLEASE. >> I'M NOT
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| 01:11:19 |
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SURE WHERE I WAS. >> THE
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INTERACTION BETWEEN YOU AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT. >>
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| 01:11:23 |
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RIGHT. THERE IS -- >> AND FAST
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| 01:11:25 |
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AND FURIOUS. THAT IS THE CONCERN HERE IS FAST AND FURIOUS. >> RIGHT, WE WORK
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| 01:11:29 |
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TOGETHER WITH OUR STATE DEPARTMENT COUNTERPARTS IN A NUMBER OF WAYS WITH MEXICO AND THERE IS THE INITIATIVE THAT IS REALLY IS THE UMBRELLA WAY IN WHICH...
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| 01:11:52 |
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MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, IS THE TESTIMONY FROM OCTOBER 27th OF THIS DWREER THAT SECRETARY CLINTON GAVE OVER IN THE SENATE. WHERE SHE SAID, "I CAN TELL YOU...
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| 01:12:24 |
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IN CONTEXT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE INTERACT WITH THEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. NOW FAST AND FURIOUS MAY NOT BE A PRIMARY THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH...
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CONCERN, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. WE HAVE 1500 WEAPONS. WE HAVE 300 DEAD PEOPLE IN MEXICO. WE HAVE A DEAD U.S. AGENT, UNTOLD NUMBER OF HEARINGS AND...
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| 01:13:31 |
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NOT SURE ABOUT THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THAT REMARK WAS MADE BY SECRETARY CLINTON. I CAN TELL THAT YOU WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUE OF VIOLENCE IN MEXICO,...
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| 01:13:45 |
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PARTNERS. >> MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. CHAIRMAN? CAN I READ THE QUESTION? CAN I READ THE QUESTION? >> DOES THE GENTLEMAN
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| 01:13:51 |
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WANT THE QUESTION READ
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| 01:13:52 |
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BACK? >> NO. THE QUESTION THAT SECRETARY CLINTON GOT. YOU ASKED A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONTEXT SECRETARY CLINTON WAS ASKED. >> THE...
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| 01:14:00 |
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SUSPEND. IF YOU'LL MAKE THAT QUESTION AVAILABLE TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL STAFF SO THEY CAN BRIEF HIM. WE WILL RETURN TO THAT OUT OF ORDER TO GET AN...
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| 01:14:23 |
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YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I DON'T KNOW IF CONVERSATIONS WITH THEED SECRETARY OF STATE AND SECRETARY CLINTON OR SECRETARY NAPOLITANO ARE OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE HERE....
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| 01:19:06 |
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WAS NO BASIS FOR A CONTINUATION OF GUN WALKING. BUT THEN EVEN CONCEPTUALLY AS I TESTIFIED BEFORE, THE NOTION THAT YOU WOULD LET GUNS WALK IS SIMPLY NOT...
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| 01:19:22 |
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GUN WALKING, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL? >> WHEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY
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| 01:19:26 |
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TO ARREST SOMEBODY FOR IT, SOME FIRE ARM TRANSACTION THAT THEY HAVE ENGAGED IN. AND YOU DON'T MAKE THE DETERMINATION NOT TO MAKE THE ARREST. ENGAGED...
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| 01:20:09 |
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THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS TESTIFIED AS TO FAST AND FURIOUS ON NOVEMBER 8th BEFORE THE SENATE, ON DECEMBER 8th BEFORE THE HOUSE. THE OTHER PREVIOUS TESTIMONIES...
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COULD JUST CORRECT THE
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RECORD. >> OF COURSE. >> I CERTAINLY DID
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SPEAK IN THOSE OTHER -- THE NUMBER FIVE AND SIX IS, IN FACT, CORRECT. >> THE TIMES YOU WERE
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ASKED, NOT THE TIME YOU WERE BROUGHT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> WHETHER
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| 01:20:48 |
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IT WAS SENATE APPROPRIATION, SENATE JUDICIARY, I WAS ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT FAST AND FURIOUS AND ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS. WITH THAT, THE NEXT GENTLEMAN...
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| 01:21:10 |
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CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I WOULD -- I'M TEMPTED TO ASK YOUR OPINION ON FORMER PENN STATE COACH JOE PATERNO. HE DIDN'T...
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| 01:22:37 |
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THE PATERNO CASE. I'LL TALK ABOUT JASON WEINSTEIN. HE KNEW ABOUT WIDE RECEIVER. HE TOLD MR. BREWER ABOUT IT. HE MET WITH A FCHLTTF. DID HE NOT KNOW ABOUT...
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| 01:23:14 |
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DO OTHER SENIOR OFFICIALS. MOVED AROUND AS CHESSMEN ON A BOARD. WITH NO CONSEQUENCES OF SIGNIFICANT NATURE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. NO ADMISSION OTHER...
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| 01:24:02 |
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WELL, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND I MEAN THIS WITH GREAT RESPECT, THE NOTION THIS WAS AN OPERATION SET UP TO DO SOMETHING TO IMPINGE UPON THE SECOND AMENDMENT...
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EFFECTIVE, WAS IT? >> IT WAS
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| 01:24:26 |
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NOT EFFECTIVE. IN FACT, IT WAS FLAWED. I HAVE SAID THAT FROM DAY ONE. BUT THE NOTION THAT SOMEHOW OR OTHER THIS WAS A SETUP TO COME UP WITH MEASURES...
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| 01:24:50 |
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YOUR MENTION TODAY OF A NECESSITY FOR IMPINGING UPON SECOND AMENDMENT LIBERTIES OF LAW ABIDING CITIZENS BROUGHT THAT QUESTION UP. AN ARTICLE YESTERDAY...
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| 01:26:01 |
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WILL SUSPEND? AS I PREVIOUSLY SAID, ALTHOUGH YOU CERTAINLY CAN TALK ABOUT YOUR MANAGEMENT STYLE, THIS HEARING IS LIMITED TO FAST AND FURIOUS. I ASK...
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| 01:26:17 |
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INVESTIGATION. >> THANK YOU. >> THE GENTLEMAN MAY
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| 01:26:19 |
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CONTINUE. >> WELL, I DISAGREE
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| 01:26:22 |
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WITH THAT GIVEN THE DECISION TO ALMOST ENGAGE IN CHARACTER ASSASSINATION, I'M GOING TO RESPOND TO AT LEAST SOME OF THAT. I'M THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF...
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| 01:28:06 |
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TIME EXPIRED. BEFORE I GO TO MR. TYRANNY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE -- SINCE WE'RE SPEAKING TO YOUR STAFF TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THE STAFF AWARE OF THE CRS...
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| 01:28:43 |
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YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, INDULGE ME IF YOU WILL ON THIS FOR A SECOND. THIS COMMITTEE'S OBLIGATION IS TO THE OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT...
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| 01:32:38 |
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NO. >> DO YOU THINK HE
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SHOULD BRING SIGNIFICANT ISSUES TO YOUR ATTENTION? >>
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| 01:32:44 |
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SURE. THAT'S ONE OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES THEY HAVE. I HOPE THEY FEEL FREE TO BRING TO MY ATTENTION ISSUES LIKE THAT. >> YOU ARE SURPRISED THAT
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| 01:32:52 |
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MR. NELSON OR ANYONE ELSE AT ATF RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT FAST AND FURIOUS TO YOUR ATTENTION? >> I'M DISAPPOINTED
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| 01:33:02 |
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IN NOT ONLY MR. NELSON BUT OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT WHO WERE SEIZED WITH THIS KNOWLEDGE AND WHO DID NOT BRING IT TO MY ATTENTION AND WHO HAVE...
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| 01:33:19 |
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OR HAS ANYBODY HELS MR. NELSON ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT BRINGING THOSE TO YOUR ATTENTION? >> HE MADE THE
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| 01:33:25 |
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DERMENTTION. WE AGREED IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR HIM TO LEAVE ATF FOR -- ALLOW ATF TO GET A FRESH START AND ALLOW HIM TO GET A FRESH START AS WELL. >>...
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YOU. >> I ASK UNANIMOUS
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CONSENT TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE INTERVIEW BY REPUBLICAN AND A DEMOCRATIC -- >> I
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| 01:33:44 |
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OBJECT. YOU KNOW THAT IS GROSSLY INAPPROPRIATE. >> WELL, I THINK WHY
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| 01:33:49 |
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I DO IT IS IT IS GROSSLY INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE A PERTINENT WITNESS WHO IS NOT ALLOWED TO COME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AND TESTIFY. I THOUGHT SINCE YOU DON'T...
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| 01:34:09 |
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UNANIMOUS CONSENT, OKAY, I'LL BE EVEN KINDER. I RESERVE. NOW SPECK ON MY RESERVATION. DOES THE GENTLEMAN REALLY BELIEVE THAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO,...
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| 01:34:41 |
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MY REQUEST. BUT I HOPE WE MADE THE POINT THAT WHAT IS IMPORTANT HERE IS FOR YOU TO CHANGE YOUR MIND HOPEFULLY AND ALLOW MR. NELSON TO COME HERE AND...
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| 01:34:59 |
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GENTLEMAN'S COMMENTS. I WOULD NOTE FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE NOT CALLED FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S RESIGNATION. I HAVE NOT SAID THE ATTORNEY GENERAL...
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| 01:36:26 |
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NELSON'S INTERVIEW WAS SEVEN MONTHS AGO. A DIRECT QUOTE FROM YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, ON A ROGER HITCHCOCK SHOW, YOU SAID, "ATF PEOPLE AND JUSTICE PEOPLE ARE...
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| 01:37:04 |
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APPRECIATE THE GENTLEMAN GIVING ROGER HITCHCOCK A PLUG. THE FACT IS THAT THOSE ALLEGATIONS WERE MADE WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER FALSE ALLEGATIONS. I...
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| 01:37:45 |
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GLAD THAT YOU RECOGNIZED THAT THOSE COMMENTS YOU WERE MAKING WERE AMPLIFYING ARE FALSE. AND NOW MAYBE WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE BUSINESS OF DETERMINE...
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| 01:37:55 |
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WE LOOK FORWARD TO FINDING OUT WHAT WAS FALSE. >> MR.
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| 01:38:00 |
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CHAIRMAN. INQUIRY. JUST A FOLLOW UP ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID. I KNOW YOU'RE RESERVING, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>
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WITHDRAWING. >> I WAS
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| 01:38:08 |
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JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE A PORTION OF THAT DOCUMENT THAT GOES TO MR. NELSON'S TESTIMONY WHERE HE CLEARLY STATES HE NEVER...
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| 01:38:34 |
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JOB OF MAKING THAT AVAILABLE. AND I CERTAINLY -- >> I WANT TO MAKE
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| 01:38:38 |
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SURE THE RECORD IS COMPLETE. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF SOME VERY UNKIND THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID ABOUT HIM. HIS REPUTATION HANGS IN THE...
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| 01:39:12 |
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RANKING MEMBER TO FIND APPROPRIATE PORTIONS THAT SEEK YOUR CONCERNS THAT CAN BE MADE AVAILABLE. I MIGHT NOTE THAT MY SIDE HAS QUOTED REPEATEDLY AND...
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| 01:39:51 |
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JUST 30 SECONDS. WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS ONE OF THE REASONS I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE RECORD CORRECTLY. WHEN MR. NELSON SAID I SAT AT THE KITCHEN...
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I APPRECIATE
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| 01:41:03 |
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THAT. >> THANK
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| 01:41:05 |
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YOU, MR. HOLDER, FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING. I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS TO START OUT. BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD IT FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE AND...
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| 01:42:44 |
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YOU WOULD LIKE US TO ASK? >> I THINK WE
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| 01:42:51 |
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WOULD WANT TO KNOW IF THE DRAGNET THAT IS SET TO FIND EVERYONE INVOLVED IN BRIAN'S MURDER WILL BE SET DEEP ENOUGH AND WIDE ENOUGH TO ENCOMPASS ANYONE...
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| 01:43:33 |
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YOU. WE WILL ASK THAT QUESTION ON YOUR BEHALF. >> AND SO, MR. ATTORNEY
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| 01:43:37 |
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GENERAL, ON BEHALF OF MR. HIRE, BRIAN TERRY'S COUSIN AND ACTUALLY THE SPOKESPERSON FOR HIS MOTHER AND SISTER, I WOULD ASK YOU TO WHAT LENGTHS IS YOUR...
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| 01:44:03 |
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WORKING NOW TO -- I MEAN THIS IS AN ON GOING INVESTIGATION. IT IS A VERY SENSITIVE TIME. I'M NOT SURE I CAN TALK A LOT ABOUT WHERE THE INVESTIGATION...
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| 01:45:51 |
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SIR. MY TIME IS TICKING AWAY. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. AS UNLIKE THE CHAIRMAN, I WAS ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO CALLED FOR YOUR RESIGNATION....
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| 01:46:44 |
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LADY'S TIME HAS EXPIRED. THE GENTLEMAN MAY ANSWER, OR NOT. >> YOU KNOW, I --
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| 01:46:51 |
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YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW, YOU WONDER WHY YOU'RE GETTING THOSE CALLS. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FOCUS ON A QUESTION AS MUCH AS AN ANSWER....
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| 01:48:03 |
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I THINK. WE NOW GO TO THE OTHER GENTLEMAN FROM MASSACHUSETTS, MR. LYNCH FOR FIVE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU, MR.
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| 01:48:12 |
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CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO THANK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR HELPING THE COMMITTEE WITH ITS WORK. I KNOW THIS IS YOUR SIXTH TIME. IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO TRY TO...
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| 01:52:38 |
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A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. I THINK WE DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR IN THIS SENSE IN THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL ENGAGE IN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY IN AN ATTEMPT TO SOLVE...
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| 01:54:12 |
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CONSENT THE GENTLEMAN HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 30 SECONDS. >> I THANK THE
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| 01:54:16 |
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GENTLEMAN. WHERE DO WE DRAW THAT LINE, THOUGH? THERE HAS TO BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY HERE. THERE HAS TO BE. AND, AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE VERY NATURE,...
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| 01:54:52 |
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THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? >>
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SURE. >> I AGREE
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| 01:54:55 |
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WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT WE SURE. >> I AGREE WITH
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| 01:54:57 |
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THE GENTLEMAN WE NEED TO DO MORE OVERSIGHT WITH THE FBI AND OTHERS WHO HAVE THE AUTHORITY. I ALSO AGREE THERE HAS TO BE A CONGRESSIONALLY STATED LEVEL...
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| 01:55:22 |
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GENTLEMAN. I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. >> I THINK THE GENTLEMAN
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| 01:55:26 |
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YIELDS BACK. WE NOW GO TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM ARIZONA, MR. GOSAR. >> THANK YOU, ATTORNEY
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| 01:55:35 |
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GENERAL, FOR COMING TODAY. THERE'S NO SECRET ABOUT HOW I FEEL. ABSOLUTELY NO SECRET. I'M APPALLED. ABSOLUTELY APPALLED. AND I'M APPALLED EVEN FURTHER...
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| 01:57:17 |
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YOU'VE SAID A LOT. >> DON'T YOU AGREE
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| 01:57:20 |
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THAT WE SHOULDN'T TRIVIALIZE THIS? >>
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| 01:57:22 |
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NO. IT HAS NOT BEEN TRIFL YALIZED. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY -- AT LEAST NOT BY ME. >> DO YOU THINK
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| 01:57:27 |
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IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT WE JUST SAY DON'T DO IT, YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING GUN WALKING? OR DO YOU SAY IT SHOULDN'T BE DONE, AND IF IT IS DONE AND YOU'RE...
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| 01:57:41 |
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I FOUND OUT ABOUT GUN WALKING WAS TO ISSUE A DIRECTIVE THAT SAID THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. DON'T DO IT AND YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE IF, IN FACT, YOU...
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| 01:57:49 |
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ME THAT IF THEY DO THIS, THEN THEY'RE GOING -- AND THEY'RE PUT BEFORE A JURY OF THEIR PEERS, THAT THEY WOULD DO CRIMINAL
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| 01:57:55 |
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TIME? >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT CRIMINAL TIME. I MEAN, ONE HAS TO LOOK AT THE FACTS OF A PARTICULAR CASE. IF SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING WITH CRIMINAL INTENT,...
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| 01:58:14 |
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JUST CAN'T SLAP SOMEBODY'S HAND ON THIS AND JUST SAY DON'T DO IT AGAIN. WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE. AND THAT IS, IN MAIN STREET...
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| 01:58:31 |
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HAVE A SITUATION IN WHICH PEOPLE WHO ENGAGE IN STRAW PURCHASING AND IN SOME FORMS OF GUN TRAFFICKING ACTUALLY DO GET SLAPS ON THE WRIST. AND THAT'S...
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| 01:58:56 |
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PURCHASING. SO LET ME ASK YOU WITH THE FFLs. THE FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSEES. NEW REGULATIONS ON THEM? THEY DID EVERYTHING THAT THEY WERE TOLD TO DO...
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| 01:59:28 |
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ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO FFL. >> RIGHT NOW
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| 01:59:32 |
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DOWN IN ARIZONA WE HAVE FURTHER PAPERWORK TO FILL OUT IF YOU'RE SELLING LONG GUNS. HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT? >> WELL, THAT --
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| 01:59:39 |
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FOUR STATES, THE BORDER STATES, HAVE BEEN ASKED IF YOU SELL LONG GUNS LIKE AK-47s MORE THAN TWO GUNS IN A FIVE-DAY PERIOD THAT OUGHT TO BE REPORTED...
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| 02:00:12 |
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IT INTERESTING IT'S BACK HERE ON THE EAST COAST DICTATING WEST COAST. HYPOTHETICAL. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE PENALTY SHOULD BE FOR A CABINET MEMBER, ...
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| 02:00:30 |
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THETICALLY, THERE IS A PERJURY STATUTE. THERE'S A FALSE STATEMENT STATUTE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PENALTIES ARE. TEN YEARS. WE HAVE SOMETHING TITLE 18...
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| 02:00:42 |
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THOSE PEOPLE THAT I FIND IT DISDAINFUL ABOUT HOW WE CONDUCTED BUSINESS OVER THIS. IF IT WAS ANY OTHER STATE THAN ARIZONA, I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE...
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| 02:01:02 |
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LOT ABOUT DURING, YOU KNOW, THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY -- >> THE GENTLEMAN'S
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| 02:01:05 |
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TIME HAS EXPIRED. IS THERE A PENDING QUESTION YOU'RE ANSWERING, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. >> I THINK
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| 02:01:09 |
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I WAS. >> OKAY. THEN FEEL FREE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. >>
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| 02:01:13 |
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I WAS JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NOTION THAT WE ARE SOMEHOW LOOKING AT THIS IN A REGIONAL WAY AND THAT A PARTICULAR REGION OF THE COUNTRY'S NO GETTING...
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| 02:01:49 |
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GENERAL. I DON'T THINK THERE REALLY IS A PENDING QUESTION THAT THAT'S RESPONSIVE TO. BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT. WE GO TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM VIRGINIA...
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| 02:02:03 |
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CHAIRMAN. WELCOME, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND SHOWING SUCH DIGNITY AND HONOR IN THE FACE OF SOME ATTEMPTS TO SUGGEST YOU'RE OTHER...
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| 02:03:18 |
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HAVE A FEDERAL TRAFFICKING SACH YUT. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING FOR. NOW, THERE ARE -- >> I'M
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| 02:03:24 |
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SORRY. FORGIVE ME. WE DON'T HAVE SUCH A LAW? >>
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| 02:03:27 |
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NO. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET CONGRESS TO CONSIDER AND TO PASS. >> WELL, NOW,
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| 02:03:34 |
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YOU'VE APPEARED BEFORE CONGRESS MANY TIMES, SIX ON THE SUBJECT. HAS ANY OF -- ANY OF THE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES SUMMONING YOU TO TESTIFY AT A ...
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| 02:03:54 |
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NO. >> DESPITE OUR
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| 02:03:55 |
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CONCERN ABOUT DEATHS AND VIOLENCE AND AN OPERATION GONE BAD? WE HAVEN'T HAD A HEARING ON TRYING TO FORBID THE TRAFFICKING OF FIREARMS AND MAKING IT A...
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| 02:04:07 |
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THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? >> I PREFER NOT TO,
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| 02:04:10 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN. PLEASE, MR. HOLDER, ANSWER THE QUESTION. >> NO, WE'VE NOT HAD
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| 02:04:17 |
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THAT HEARING. IT IS -- I'VE TRIED TO RAISE IT AS PART OF ONE OF THE REASONS -- PART OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERING AS A MEANS...
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| 02:04:33 |
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HMM. ISN'T THAT INTERESTING THAT IN THE MAJORITY IN THIS CONGRESS, WE HAVEN'T HAD A HEARING ON THAT SUBJECT. WELL, IF THERE ISN'T A STRONG -- SURELY...
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| 02:04:47 |
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I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS ALSO NO. AS I INDICATED BEFORE, I GO...
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| 02:05:12 |
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COMMITTEE? >> RIGHT. THIS COMMITTEE. THAT, I THINK, IS OBVIOUSLY UNACCEPTABLE. >>
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| 02:05:16 |
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AND THE TESTIMONY OF THAT AGENT CALLED BY THIS COMMITTEE, BY THE MAJORITY IN THIS COMMITTEE, WAS ACTUALLY INTERRUPTED AND CHASTISED FOR THE NATURE OF...
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| 02:05:31 |
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I BELIEVE MS. MALONEY WAS ASKING A QUESTION IN THAT REGARD, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TECHNICAL TERM WAS, BUT IT WAS RULED OUT OF ORDER OR
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| 02:05:39 |
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SOMETHING. >> HMM. WHEN I WAS IN MEXICO ON A BIPARTISAN LEADERSHIP TRIP TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND SOME OTHER DIFFICULT TOPICS WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL...
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| 02:06:14 |
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HAS CONSISTENTLY FAVORED THE REINSTITUTION OF THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WAS USEFUL IN THE PAST WITH REGARD TO THE REDUCTION...
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| 02:06:30 |
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SURELY WE'VE HAD A HEARING ON THAT, THOUGH? I MEAN, YOU'VE BEEN UP HERE SIX YEARS -- SIX TIMES. THIS IS ALL ABOUT TRYING TO PROTECT THAT BORDER WITH...
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| 02:06:48 |
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KNOWLEDGE. NOT A HEARING THAT I PARTICIPATED IN. >>
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| 02:06:52 |
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REALLY? HMM. MAKES ONE WONDER WHAT THIS HEARING IS ACTUALLY ALL ABOUT. I YIELD BACK. >> WOULD THE GENTLEMAN
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| 02:06:57 |
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YIELD? >> I
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| 02:06:59 |
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CERTAINLY WOULD, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> BY THE WAY, WE'RE HAPPY
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| 02:07:02 |
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TO ENTERTAIN ALL SUGGESTIONS FOR HEARINGS. I WILL NOTE THAT YOU KEEP SAYING SIX. >> RECLAIMING MY TIME JUST FOR
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| 02:07:08 |
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A SECOND THERE, MR. CHAIRMAN? >>
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| 02:07:10 |
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YES. >> I'M DELIGHTED TO HEAR
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| 02:07:12 |
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YOU'RE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN SUCH REQUESTS. I WOULD THEN FORMALLY REQUEST THAT THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL, MR. McCASEY, BE INVITED TO THE COMMITTEE...
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| 02:07:30 |
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WE WILL ATTEMPT TO GLEAN THAT INFORMATION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE BY PERSONALLY HAVING SOMEBODY COME. WE DO INTEND TO GLEAN INFORMATION FROM PRIOR...
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| 02:08:26 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU WOULD JUST INDULGE. I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. >> CAN THE GENTLEMAN HAVE
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| 02:08:33 |
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AN ADDITIONAL 30 SECONDS? >> I'D JUST TAKE OUR
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| 02:08:36 |
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JOINT QUESTION AND ASK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO COMMENT THAT. WHY HASN'T THE ADMINISTRATION, IN FACT, MADE THE REQUEST THE CHAIRMAN JUST REFERRED TO...
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| 02:08:45 |
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WE HAVE CERTAINLY REQUESTED IT IN THE PAST. I'LL BE MORE THAN GLAD TO SUBMIT SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION, WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH THIS COMMITTEE, THE...
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| 02:09:05 |
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DOES THE PRESIDENT SUPPORT MS. MALONEY'S BILL? >> WE'D CERTAINLY
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| 02:09:08 |
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WANT TO WORK WITH HER ON THAT BILL. OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME THINGS WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO WORK ON. BUT I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY A GOOD...
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| 02:09:18 |
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YIELD? I KNOW WE'RE OUT OF TIME. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S MY BILL AND MS. MALONEY'S BILL. >>
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| 02:09:25 |
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SORRY. >> THAT WILL PROBABLY HELP
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| 02:09:26 |
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THE PRESIDENT LIKE IT EVEN MORE. >> AND WE WELCOME YOUR
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| 02:09:30 |
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SUPPORT. >> I THANK ALL
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| 02:09:31 |
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OF THE GENTLEMEN AND LADY. WITH THAT, WE GO TO ONE OF THE MOST EXPERIENCED MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, ALTHOUGH A FRESHMAN, THE GENTLEMAN FROM PENNSYLVANIA,...
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| 02:09:42 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. I KNOW I SENT YOU A LETTER SOME TIME AGO AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMING TO OUR COMMITTEE....
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| 02:10:22 |
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AWARE OF MR. MEEHAN'S -- MR. CHARLTON'S TESTIMONY. >> IT'S HIS TESTIMONY THAT
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| 02:10:26 |
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HE DECLINED TO PROSECUTE THOSE CASE. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE OTHER FACTS I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GLEAN IS THAT THE KEVIN CARVEL, A DOJ CRIMINAL DIVISION...
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| 02:10:55 |
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WAS DORMANT AND THEN WAS BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE -- >> I WANT TO KNOW
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| 02:10:59 |
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WHY. THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD QUESTION. BECAUSE DO YOU KNOW -- WHO'S LAURA GWYNN? >> I'M NOT
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| 02:11:06 |
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SURE. I DON'T KNOW. >> LET ME TELL YOU
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| 02:11:08 |
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WHO LAURA GWYNN IS GOING BACK. APPARENTLY LAURA GWYNN WAS AN ATTORNEY FROM MAINE JUSTICE WHO WAS SENT BY LONNY BREWER TO PROSECUTE GUN CASES. AND AROUND...
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| 02:12:17 |
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WANT TO TRY TO HOLD ACCOUNTABLE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR CRIMES THAT WERE COMMITTED. AND I WOULD GUESS THAT PEOPLE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE...
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| 02:12:29 |
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I SURE DO THINK THAT THAT'S CORRECT. WHO DO YOU THINK THE PEOPLE ARE THAT SIT THERE AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE TECHNIQUES THAT WERE USED? THOSE PEOPLE...
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| 02:13:22 |
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A DEATH CASE? >> YES. I THINK IT RECEIVED -- >> I'M HOLDING --
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| 02:13:29 |
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IN MY HAND. WE'VE ALL LIVED WITH IT. >> YOU
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| 02:13:31 |
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HAVE, CERTAINLY. >>
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| 02:13:33 |
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WE'VE SPENT OUR TIME. I'VE LOOKED AND IT SAYS I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PLACES, AUTHORITY OF THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY...
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| 02:14:04 |
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CORRECT. >> WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENT
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| 02:14:05 |
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IN WASHINGTON WHO'S ACTUALLY MAKING DETERMINATIONS ABOUT THE SUFFICIENT FISHSY OF THE NEW INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE. THE OCIDEF INVESTIGATIONS...
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| 02:14:22 |
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SURE EXACTLY -- IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO TRY TO, AGAIN, FIGURE OUT. WHO EXACTLY -- >> WELL, MR. HOLDER,
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| 02:14:27 |
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I'M FIGURING IT OUT. I'M WATCHING THE DOCUMENTS. I'M GIVING YOU THAT ROUTE. >> THERE'S
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| 02:14:31 |
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CLEARLY -- I UNDERSTAND THE REGULATION THAT YOU'VE READ. THE QUESTION IS, WHO ACTUALLY MADE THE NECESSARY APPROVALS, WHO WAS INVOLVED, WHY DID THEY DO...
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| 02:14:56 |
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THINGS WE KNOW IS THERE'S APPROVALS AS WELL FOR WIRETAPS. IN THE CONCLUSION OF APPROVAL FOR A WIRETAP, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER A DOCUMENT...
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| 02:15:39 |
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KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE HISTORY IS IN THAT REGARD. >>
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| 02:15:42 |
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THEY'RE SEALED. I KNOW THEY'RE SEALED. >> THEY'RE
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| 02:15:44 |
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SEALED. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT AS PART OF OUR INTERACTION WITH CONGRESS HISTORICALLY THE DEPARTMENT HAS SOUGHT UNSEALING ORDERS IN THAT REGARD....
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| 02:15:54 |
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WHAT WAS IN THOSE WIRETAP AFFIDAVITS WITH RESPECT TO WHICH WE KNOW THERE NEEDS TO BE THE -- THE ARTICULATION OF THE INVESTIGATIVE STEPS THAT WERE
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| 02:16:03 |
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TAKEN. >> YEAH. >> AND
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| 02:16:05 |
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IF I'M -- >> I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. >> I'D LIKE TO
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| 02:16:07 |
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KNOW IF WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THOSE. EVEN IN SOME CONTEXTS IN WHICH WE COULD NEGOTIATE, THE ONLY THING WE WANT TO SEE IS THE...
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| 02:16:22 |
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MR. GOWDY WILL KNOW MAYBE BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMITTEE, THESE KINDS OF APPLICATIONS DON'T ALWAYS GO INTO ALL OF THE TECHNIQUES THAT ARE...
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| 02:16:32 |
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BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT. I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT. >> I'M JUST SAYING
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| 02:16:38 |
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GENERALLY. THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE REVIEW OF THE MATERIALS SUBMITTED BY THE FIELD IN WASHINGTON WOULD NOT CONTAIN SOMETHING THAT WOULD...
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| 02:16:49 |
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BUT THERE'S ALSO A POSSIBILITY THAT IT WOULD. WHAT I WANT TO KNOW, BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT YOUR AUTHORITIES WOULD HAVE FROM OEO AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY GO...
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| 02:17:08 |
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YEAH. DEPUTY ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS TO ULTIMATELY APPROVE THE WIRETAP BEFORE IT GOES -- WIRETAP APPLICATION BEFORE IT GOES BEFORE A COURT....
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| 02:17:34 |
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MADE. >> THANK YOU. MY TIME'S UP. >> I THANK THE
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| 02:17:36 |
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GENTLEMAN. WE NOW GO TO THE GENTLEMAN, I THINK, FROM ILLINOIS, MR. QUIGLEY. >> THANK YOU,
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| 02:17:41 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, AS SOMEONE WHO'S GONE THROUGH ABOUT 200 TRIALS MYSELF, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF EXPERIENCED TRIAL ATTORNEYS IN...
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| 02:18:00 |
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SAY THAT AGAIN. >> "BONFIRE OF THE
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| 02:18:03 |
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VANITIES." >> I ASKED UNANIMOUS
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| 02:18:05 |
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THE GENTLEMAN HAVE 15 MORE SECONDS TO EDUCATE US TO THAT. >> THERE'S
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| 02:18:08 |
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A WONDERFUL SCENE WHICH JUDGE WHITE TALKS TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY ABOUT PROSECUTING DEFENDANTS FOR OPPORTUNISTIC REASONS. HE CONCLUDES WONDERFULLY...
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| 02:21:36 |
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YEAH. I THINK THAT IF WE'RE SERIOUS AS WE ALL SAY WE ARE ABOUT DEALING WITH THIS PROBLEM OF GUNS GOING TO MEXICO, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ATF AGENCY THAT...
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| 02:22:51 |
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HAS EXPIRED. >> I THANK
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| 02:22:55 |
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THE GENTLEMAN. AND WE NOW GO TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM TENNESSEE, MR. DASHOLAY. WILL THE GENTLEMAN YIELD FOR FIVE SECONDS? >> YES,
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| 02:23:05 |
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SIR. >> ATTORNEY GENERAL,
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| 02:23:06 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR, FOR TWO YEARS THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T PUT UP A NOMINEE FOR THAT POSITION, NOR DID HE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RECESS APPOINTMENTS....
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| 02:23:27 |
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THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IF WE RESOLVE NOTHING ELSE HERE TODAY, WE'VE MADE IT PAINFULLY CLEAR THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE AT LEAST SIX TIMES. AND I DON'T...
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| 02:25:50 |
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I'M SORRY. >>
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| 02:25:51 |
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YOU WERE NOTIFIED -- >> I WAS LOOKING AT FORTRESS HOLDERS. THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING. THAT'S NOT MY HOUSE, BY THE WAY. >> ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S...
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| 02:25:53 |
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| 02:26:39 |
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| 02:26:46 |
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SITTING BEHIND YOU TODAY. ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL RONALD WEISS. >> MAYBE HE OUGHT TO SIT
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| 02:26:58 |
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HERE. >> HE SAID HE
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| 02:26:59 |
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WANTED -- >> WITH
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| 02:27:00 |
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ALL DUE RESPECT, HE'S HAD THIS HOT SEAT FOR REAL MORE THAN YOU HAVE, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. >> HE SUBMITTED A LETTER
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| 02:27:07 |
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TO THE COMMITTEE THAT DENIED THAT ATF SANCTIONED OR KNOWINGLY ALLOWED THE SALE OF ASSAULT WEAPONS AND ALLOWED THEM TO BE WALKED. AND I THINK YOUR DEPARTMENT...
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| 02:27:18 |
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CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>
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| 02:27:19 |
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OKAY. HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO WITHDRAW THE LETTER? >> IT WAS FORMALLY
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| 02:27:25 |
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WITHDRAWN IN DECEMBER -- DECEMBER 2nd. PRIOR TO THAT, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF INDICATIONS BY ME, BY MR. WISH, BY MR. BREWER THAT WE WERE NOT SATISFIED...
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| 02:27:40 |
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WASN'T A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT TO DECEIVE CONGRESS, THE LETTER WAS NOT? >>
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| 02:27:44 |
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NO. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MATERIALS WE MADE AVAILABLE, THE DELIBERATE MATERIALS WE MADE AVAILABLE, YOU CAN SEE HOW PEOPLE WERE, I THINK, REALLY STRUGGLING...
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| 02:28:00 |
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FURTHER. >> INACCURATE INFORMATION? >>
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| 02:28:01 |
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YEAH. THEY DIDN'T GO DOWN TO TALK TO THE LINE PEOPLE. THEY STOPPED AT THE SUPERVISORY
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| 02:28:06 |
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LEVEL. >> OKAY. AMAZING HOW QUICKLY FIVE MINUTES GOES. I GUESS AS A PARENT, I WANT MY KIDS TO DO THE RIGHT THING. AND I'M SURE AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL...
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| 02:28:28 |
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TAKE ISSUE WITH YOU AGAIN RESPECTFULLY. I'M NOT SURE I'VE LOST THE TRUST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WITH REGARD TO THIS ISSUE. THIS HAS BECOME A POLITICAL...
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| 02:29:23 |
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RESPECT, SIR -- >> THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME
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| 02:29:25 |
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IS EXPIRED, SO PLEASE BE BRIEF. >> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT,
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| 02:29:28 |
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WITH WHAT WE SEE HERE ON YOUR HOUSE -- NOT YOUR HOUSE, BUT THE LETTER THAT WAS SENT IN, WHAT MAY APPEAR AS POLITICAL APPEARS NOW SOMEWHAT AS...
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| 02:29:41 |
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THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME HAS EXPIRED. >> A LOT
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| 02:29:43 |
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OF INFORMATION HERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ACCURATE. I THINK THAT'S WHY THE NUMBER OF HEARINGS CONTINUE TO GO ON. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING THE...
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| 02:29:50 |
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YOU. THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME HAS EXPIRED. >> IF YOU WANT
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| 02:29:53 |
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TO REACT TO SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY, PLEASE. >> I'VE HEARD THE
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| 02:29:57 |
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MAGIC WORD HERE. COVER-UP. I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THERE'S NO ATTEMPT AT ANY KIND OF COVER-UP. WE HAVE SHARED HUGE AMOUNTS OF INFORMATION. WE WILL...
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| 02:30:53 |
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MY BOYS WITH THE BASEBALL IMPLIED AS WELL. >> I THANK THE
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| 02:30:56 |
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GENTLEMAN. WE CAN HAVE A LATER DISCUSSION ON HOW MANY WITNESSES AND HOW MUCH INFORMATION AND SO ON. FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S EDIFICATION, AND I...
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| 02:31:40 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. I NOTICED THAT WE'VE HEARD THE TERMINOLOGY "COVER-UP" A GREAT DEAL NOT ONLY DURING THIS DISCUSSION, BUT PRIOR TO...
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| 02:32:48 |
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NO. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. WE SUBMITTED INACCURATE INFORMATION, BUT IT WAS BASED ON ATTEMPTS TO GET THAT WHICH WAS ACCURATE, AND PEOPLE SIMPLY DID...
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| 02:33:17 |
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TO HOLD THE PERSONNEL IN ATF AND THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ACCOUNTABLE FOR CONVEYING INACCURATE INFORMATION TO THE DEPARTMENT? >> WE'VE
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| 02:33:30 |
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CERTAINLY LOOKED AT THOSE PLACES WHERE PERSONNEL CHANGES COULD BE MADE. SOME HAVE BEEN MADE. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT OTHERS WILL HAVE TO BE MADE. THERE...
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| 02:33:56 |
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ALSO INTERVIEWED A NUMBER OF NUMEROUS WITNESSES INVOLVED IN COMPILING AND REVIEWING THE RESPONSE TO CONGRESS. THE DEPARTMENT HAS ALSO PRODUCED MORE THAN...
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| 02:35:20 |
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I THINK WE ARE. I THINK THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MEET THE LEGITIMATE REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THIS COMMITTEE. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE HEARING. THIS...
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| 02:35:54 |
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OF INFORMATION ARE BEING HELD? AND WHY? >> THE -- THE MATERIAL
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| 02:36:01 |
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BEING HELD, AND I THINK THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH ARE, AS I DESCRIBED, DELIBERATIVE MATERIALS WHERE WE ARE TRYING --...
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| 02:37:08 |
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MUCH. AND I APPRECIATE, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH FAST AND FURIOUS. BUT I ALSO THINK WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FAST AND ACCURATE....
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| 02:37:23 |
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THE GENTLEMAN. I MIGHT NOTE, FOR THE RECORD, THAT THE -- THE DELIVERY OF THE FEBRUARY 4th RELATED MATERIAL OCCURRED ONLY AFTER I THREATENED A CRIMINAL...
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| 02:37:44 |
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OUR VIEW IS THAT -- WE DISAGREE ON THIS. WE THINK THE PROVISION OF THAT FEBRUARY 4th MATERIAL WAS DONE VOLUNTARILY. NOT UNDER COERCION. >> THREAT OF
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| 02:37:54 |
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CRIMINAL PROSECUTION ISN'T COERCION. IT'S THE FACT THAT WE WERE GIVEN FALSE INFORMATION. >> THAT WAS
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| 02:37:58 |
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NOT -- >> AND IT WAS SUBJECT ALREADY
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| 02:37:59 |
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TO A SUBPOENA. COOPERATION SUBJECT TO A SUBPOENA BY THIS COMMITTEE'S STANDARDS, WE ASKED FOR THINGS LONG BEFORE WE ISSUED A SUBPOENA. WE WERE TOLD NO....
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| 02:38:41 |
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THIS. I WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT WE WERE GOING TO RELEASE THAT FEBRUARY 4th MATERIAL, THE DELIBERATIVE MATERIAL. AND IT WAS NEVER...
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| 02:39:17 |
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BELABOR THIS POINT, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE A POINT. I SIGNED A SUBPOENA OCTOBER 12th. IT WAS TO YOU. SO THE COOPERATION CAME AFTER YOUR OFFICE IN YOUR...
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| 02:39:35 |
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SUBPOENA WOULD NOT -- WE WOULD NOT HAVE REPLIED -- IN RESPONSE TO THAT SUBPOENA WE WOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN YOU THE DELIBERATIVE INFORMATION. THAT WOULD...
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| 02:39:45 |
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WE'RE ENTITLED TO IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEBATE THAT ANY FURTHER. CASE LAW IS ON OUR SIDE. WITH THAT WE GO TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, ANOTHER...
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| 02:39:57 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. HOLDER, IT IS PROVABLE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT IN MY JUDGMENT THAT MAINE JUSTICE HAD ACTUAL OR CONSTRUCTIVE KNOWLEDGE OF GUN WALKING....
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| 02:41:39 |
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THAT'S CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE E-MAIL. AND THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT FAST AND FURIOUS AND, IN FAIRNESS, THEY ALSO MENTION LAURA'S...
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| 02:42:47 |
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THE -- YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE RARE INSTANCES. YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE WAS KNOWLEDGE WITHIN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OF GUN WALKING. IT...
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| 02:42:59 |
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RESPECT, I DON'T LIKE INTERRUPTING PEOPLE. BUT WITH RESPECT, SEVERAL OF THESE E-MAILS SPECIFICALLY MENTION FAST AND FURIOUS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WIDE...
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| 02:43:15 |
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MENTIONED FAST AND FURIOUS, BUT DO THEY MENTION GUN WALKING AND FAST AND FURIOUS? >> YES, THEY
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| 02:43:21 |
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DO. THAT'S MY POINT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO
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| 02:43:23 |
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SEE THOSE. THOSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. >> WE GOT THEM FROM
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| 02:43:26 |
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YOU. WE GOT THIS FROM MAINE JUSTICE. >> LET'S DO
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| 02:43:30 |
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THIS. I PROMISED TO GIVE YOU ALL SOME INFORMATION. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE A MEMO THAT SAYS GUN WALKING AND FAST AND FURIOUS. I WOULD LIKE TO...
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| 02:43:38 |
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A VIDEOTAPED CONFESSION, I PROBABLY CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT. BUT WHAT I CAN GIVE YOU IS AN E-MAIL FROM TWO MAINE JUSTICE EMPLOYEES BACK AND FORTH SPECIFICALLY...
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| 02:44:01 |
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WILL SUSPEND. IN ORDER TO GET TO THE TRUTH, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS AND HAVE THE DOCUMENTS GIVEN TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. I'VE GOT...
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| 02:44:28 |
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HERE. I CAN STAY HERE. >>> AS WE
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| 02:47:02 |
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RECONVENE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THE DOCUMENT IS AND THE SOURCE. I'D ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL ONE MINUTE...
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| 02:47:31 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN. AND IN KEEPING WITH MY OPEN FILE DISCOVERY POLICY, I GAVE HIM MY DOCUMENTS. THEY HAVE MY NOTES ON THEM. I'LL GO BACK THROUGH THE LIST...
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| 02:48:15 |
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RIGHT. THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WENT DOWN, ONE OR TWO, I'M NOT SURE, WHO WENT DOWN TO HELP WITH REGARD TO THAT PROSECUTION, THAT MATTER. >> TRUE OR...
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| 02:48:24 |
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THAT MR. GRENLER ATTENDED A DEBRIEFING ON FAST AND FURIOUS WHERE HIS OWN NOTES INDICATE THE SEIZURE OF WEAPONS IN MEXICO? >> THAT -- IF YOU'RE
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| 02:48:36 |
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TALKING ABOUT -- I DON'T KNOW DEBRIEFING. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MEETING THAT HE HAD WITH THE FOLKS FROM ATF, I GUESS, IN MARCH OF '10, 2010 --...
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| 02:48:46 |
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MARCH. AND THERE'S A NOTE IN CURSIVE HANDWRITING, FAST AND FOURS YOU.URIOUS. AND THERE WAS A MAP ATTACHED TO THAT OF SEIZURES OF GUNS IN MEXICO....
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| 02:49:04 |
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TESTIFIED AND INDICATED WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT MEETING WAS THAT HE WAS BRIEFED ON OPERATION -- ON THE OPERATION, WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS ESSENTIALLY A SUCCESSFUL...
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| 02:49:15 |
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MEETING. >> ALL RIGHT. THERE WAS A MEMO TO YOU THROUGH THE ACTING DEPUTY AG FROM THE NATIONAL DRUG INTELLIGENCE -- I CAN'T CALL HIS NAME, BECAUSE I...
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| 02:49:36 |
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A WEEKLY REPORT. I'VE TESTIFIED ABOUT THIS I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES. I'VE GOTTEN -- THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THESE THAT COME FROM NDIC. JUST FOR THE...
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| 02:50:07 |
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1,500 FIREARMS AND IT MENTIONS STRAW PURCHASERS. MR. HOLDER, DESPITE THE PROTESTATIONS OF SOME OF YOUR STAFF BEHIND YOU THAT YOU'RE BEING TREATED...
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| 02:51:03 |
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GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS EXPIRED. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MAY ANSWER. >> IN TERMS OF WHO DRAFTED
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| 02:51:07 |
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THE FEBRUARY 4th LETTER, I MEAN, THAT IS OBVIOUS FROM THE MATERIALS THAT WE SHARED WITH YOU, THOSE 1,300 PAGES OR SO. I CAN'T RECALL ALL THE NAMES....
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| 02:52:09 |
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THE GENTLEMAN. I APOLOGIZE. THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL TIME AT THIS TIME. WE NOW GO TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM VERMONT, MR. WALSH, FOR FIVE MINUTES. >>
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| 02:52:18 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. TWO THINGS, NUMBER ONE, I WANT TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION FOR THE HARD WORK OF THE PEOPLE OF THE ATF. THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE...
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| 02:54:22 |
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YIELD? >> I WOULD BE GLAD
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| 02:54:23 |
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TO YIELD. >> I'LL BE
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| 02:54:25 |
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VERY BRIEF. WHEN THE ATF BEGAN ASKING AND JUSTICE BEGAN ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL DIRECTLY RELATED ENFORCEMENT, INCLUDING THE IDEA THAT EVERY SECOND, EVERY...
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| 02:55:02 |
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I WOULD DISAGREE. SOME OF THE INSTANTIATED ALLEGATIONS WERE, FOR INSTANCE, THE ALLEGATIONS THAT YOUR OFFICE AND YOU MADE -- ACCUSED MR. HOLDER OF...
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| 02:56:52 |
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I HAD FROM MR. GOTTI, AND I'LL GIVE IT BACK, IS AN -- IT'S FROM JASON WEINSTEIN, AND HE HAS INDICATED THAT THE REFERENCE THAT HE MAKES IN THERE IS NOT...
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| 02:57:33 |
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HOLDER. I YIELD BACK MY TIME. >> I WOULD LIKE TO
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| 02:57:37 |
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EXPLAIN SOMETHING. THE THIRD -- I'M OUT OF TIME, BUT THE CHAIRMAN AS I UNDERSTAND HAS SOME PREROGATIVES. >> IN THE CASE OF AN
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| 02:57:46 |
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ACCUSATION OF FALSE STATEMENT, I WILL BRIEFLY -- BRIAN TERRY'S MOTHER AND FATHER WERE TOLD BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL THAT THEY BELIEVED IT WAS...
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| 02:59:31 |
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THANK YOU BEFORE CHAIR. >> WE NOW GO
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| 02:59:33 |
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TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA, MR. ROSS. >> THANK YOU, MR.
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| 02:59:36 |
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CHAIRMAN. MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY AND THE FACTS AS WELL. YOU HAVE INDICATED TODAY THAT YOU WERE...
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| 02:59:53 |
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2011. >> AND
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| 02:59:54 |
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YOU ARE SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING OF GUN WALKING. >> AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT
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| 02:59:59 |
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FAST AND FURIOUS UNTIL THE SAME TIME PERIOD. >> AND PRIOR
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| 03:00:03 |
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TO THE END OF JANUARY OF 2011. >> I LEARNED OF WIDE
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| 03:00:09 |
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RECEIVER LATER ON. I BECAME AWARE OF THAT AS WE WERE PREPARING DOCUMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE COMMITTEE. >>
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| 03:00:14 |
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WITHOUT REGARD TO THE MEMO, WHICH YOU WERE NOT AWARE OF, YOU DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WIDE RECEIVER. >> AND YOU
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| 03:00:22 |
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ARE NOT AWARE OF THE TERM, FAST AND FURIOUS, FAST AND FURIOUS BEING USED, AT THE TIME OF MR. TERRY'S DEATH. AND IT WAS GOING ON AS A RESULT OF HIS DEATH....
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| 03:00:37 |
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DEATH. I CERTAINLY WAS AFFAIR OF THE FACT THAT THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION INTO WHO KILLED HIM, THERE WAS A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, THAT STARTED DECEMBER...
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| 03:01:12 |
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PASSED AWAY. AND DENNIS BURKE, THEN FORWARDED THAT TO MONTE WILL CONSON, ACTING AS DEPUTY ATTORNEY CHIEF OF STAFF AT THE TIME. >> DEPUTY CHIEF OF
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| 03:01:23 |
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STAFF. ON DECEMBER 15, 9:41 A.M., MR. BURKE SAID NOT GOOD. 18 MILES WITHIN. THEREAFTER, AT 10:04, DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF, MONTE WILKINSON SAID, IN...
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| 03:01:52 |
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KNEW ABOUT IT BEFORE MONTE TOLD ME. >> YOU HAVE NO REASON TO
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| 03:01:56 |
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DISPUTE THAT MONTE TOLD YOU ABOUT IT. >> I SUPPOSE HE DID,
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| 03:01:59 |
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BUT I'M SAYING WHEN IT COMES TO -- WHEN A LAW ENFORCEMENT DEATH, ESPECIALLY INVOLVING LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT INFORMATION GETS TO ME VERY QUICKLY. >>
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| 03:02:07 |
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AND IT SHOULD. >>
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| 03:02:08 |
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AND TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, IN THE E-MAIL EXCHANGE, LATER AT 11:15 A.M. THAT MORNING, ANOTHER E-MAIL TO DENNIS BURKE, SAYING PLEASE PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAILS...
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| 03:02:58 |
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I WASN'T. LISTEN TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID. HE SAID WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ABOUT. WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. WHICH IMPLIES THEY DID NOT. >> SUBSEQUENT...
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| 03:03:10 |
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DEATH. MR. WILKINSON HAS TOLD YOU ABOUT BRIAN TERRY'S DEATH. NOW HE'S BEING INFORMED ABOUT AN INVESTIGATION INVOLVING THE SLAIN OFFICER, INVOLVING...
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| 03:03:33 |
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ABOUT THIS. I WAS UNAWARE OF THIS, AND UNLESS THERE IS SOME INDICATION -- >> YOU TESTIFIED
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| 03:03:42 |
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TODAY ARE YOU A HANDS-ON MANAGER. >> WHAT I WAS
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| 03:03:44 |
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SAYING, UNLESS THERE IS SOME INDICATION THAT THE TACTICS THAT WE ARE SO AGAINST WERE EMPLOYED THERE, WHAT WE KNOW IS THIS WAS SOMETHING -- THIS WAS...
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| 03:03:58 |
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STORE AND AN AK-7 4 7. WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE TO SAY? INVOLVING A CARTEL. DECEMBER 15 TO THE END OF JANUARY, YOU DON'T LEARN ABOUT A GUN WALKING OPERATION...
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| 03:04:37 |
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SAY IS THAT IN THE ABSENCE OF AN INDICATION THAT THESE INAPPROPRIATE TACTICS WERE USED YOU HAVE HERE A TRAGIC DEATH CONNECTED TO AN ONGOING FEDERAL...
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| 03:05:16 |
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WALKING? >> I'M SORRY? >> YOU MADE NO INQUIRY
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| 03:05:20 |
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AS TO THE INVESTIGATION INVOLVING BRIAN TERRY'S DEATH INVOLVED GUN WALKING? >>> I HAVE NO
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| 03:05:33 |
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INDICATION. THERE WAS NO INDICATION, NO BASIS TO BELIEVE THAT GUN WALKING WAS PART OF ANY OF THIS. I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT GUN WALK ORG THE USE OF THAT...
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| 03:06:00 |
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FROM CALIFORNIA. MS. SPEAR FOR FIVE MINUTES. >> THANK
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| 03:06:05 |
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YOU. OVER HERE, ATTORNEY THE LAST PERSON ON THE TOTEM POLE SO TO SPEAK. >> SHE'LL BE
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| 03:06:11 |
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MOVING UP IN FUTURE YEARS. >>
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| 03:06:12 |
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DON'T COUNT ON IT. IN ANY CASE, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY THAT I THINK WE CAN STIPULATE FOR THE RECORD THAT THIS HIDEOUS CHAPTER IN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S...
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| 03:07:30 |
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HAPPY TO HAVE THAT PIECE OF DISCOVERY PLACED IN THE RECORD. NO OBJECTION. >> THANK
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| 03:07:35 |
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YOU. ATTORNEY GENERAL, WERE YOU EVER TOLD MR. GENERAL MUKASE YE'S CONTROLLED DELIVERIES, IN OTHER WORDS GUN WALKING? >> I DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT
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| 03:07:47 |
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THAT UNTIL LATE IN THIS PROCESS, AS WE WERE DEVELOPING DOCUMENTS TO SUBMIT TO THIS COMMITTEE WITH REGARD TO OPERATION WIDE RECEIVE. I DIDN'T KNOW...
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| 03:07:58 |
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THIS COMMITTEE IS GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT AND REFORM. I'D LIKE TO SPEND A COUPLE MINUTES ON THE REFORM SIDE. HOPEFULLY WE ARE NOT CONTINUING TO HAVE HEARING...
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| 03:08:30 |
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DON'T HAVE A TOOL THAT WE REALLY NEED. WE NEED TO SAY GUN TRAFFIC SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE, WRONG AND THERE'S A FEDERAL CRIMINAL PENALTY FOR IT AND A...
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| 03:09:00 |
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WE NEED IN PLACE TO AVOID THIS ACTIVITY? FROM YOUR OWN TESTIMONY YOU SAID YOU COULD TRACE 60,000 WEAPONS BUT THAT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF WHAT'S REALLY...
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| 03:09:12 |
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RIGHT. 64,000 WEAPONS HAVE BEEN TRACED FROM THE UNITED STATES TO MEXICO BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAD BEEN TRACED. THERE ARE SINCE A SUBSTANTIALLY...
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| 03:10:33 |
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A STATUTE THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE TO THE COMMITTEE AROUND PENALIZING STRAW PURCHASERS AND GUN TRAFFICKING? >>
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| 03:10:40 |
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I CAN CHECK WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS FOLKS AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT WE HAVE THERE. AS I INDICATED BEFORE, CONGRESSWOMAN MALONEY AND CONGRESSMAN...
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| 03:11:00 |
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I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. MY TIME IS EXPIRED. >> I THANK THE
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| 03:11:04 |
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GENTLELADY AND ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT DISCOVERY DOCUMENTS HOGR SB DOJ, 0057, 52, 53, 54 BE PLACED IN THE RECORD ALONG WITH THE GENTLELADY'S DOCUMENTS...
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| 03:11:38 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN I'D RESERVE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT ACCURATELY DESCRIBES THAT DOCUMENT. >> WELL THE DOCUMENT
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| 03:11:45 |
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SFEEKZPEAKS FOR ITSELF. >> HE'S
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| 03:11:48 |
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NOT TALKING ABOUT GUN WALKING. I THOUGHT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A COORDINATED EFFORT WITH THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT TO FOLLOW THOSE GUNS IN A COOPERATIVE...
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| 03:11:56 |
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WHAT -- >> -- NOT LET THEM JUST
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| 03:11:58 |
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WALK BUT -- >> RIGHT, WELL, THE
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| 03:12:00 |
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DEFINITION OF GUN WALKING, THE DEFINITION OF GUN WALKING WHICH THE MINORITY HAS CHOSEN TO PUT ON WIDE RECEIVER, WIDE RECEIVER WAS A COORDINATED EFFORT...
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| 03:13:10 |
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RESERVE. I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE THE
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| 03:13:12 |
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DOCUMENT. >> YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENT. THIS IS DOJ 005754. >> I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE
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| 03:13:23 |
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IT. YOU CAN GO AHEAD. >>
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| 03:13:25 |
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YOU'VE RESERVED. I'LL WAIT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN I THINK WE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION OF WHAT GUN WALKING IS AND I WITHDRAW MY RESERVATION. >>. >> I THANK...
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| 03:14:16 |
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| 03:14:27 |
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| 03:14:28 |
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DOJ 005811 AND 12 BE PLACED IN THE RECORD BUT I WILL RESERVE MYSELF UNTIL THE MINORITY HAS A CHANCE TO SEE IT AND BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, AND WITH...
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| 03:15:15 |
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CHAIRMAN ISSA. MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT MR. ROSS SAYS, MANAGEMENT IN GENERAL AND HOW THE DOJ IS MANAGED. I THINK YOU TOLD HIM...
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| 03:15:56 |
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CORRECT, I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THAT FOR A WHILE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TO DRAW A DISTINCTION HERE, AND I'M ALMOST HESITANT TO DO THIS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT...
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| 03:16:36 |
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BEEN INVESTIGATING FAST AND FURIOUS FOR SOME TIME. Y'ALL HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT IT INTERNALLY. YOU'VE CONSTANTLY BLAMED THE ATF FOR THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S...
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| 03:17:33 |
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SAY WE HAVE NOT BLAMED -- I HAVE NOT BLAMED THE PEOPLE IN PHOENIX, EITHER ATF OR THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THERE. THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE DOWN THERE....
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| 03:17:55 |
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THINK 13 MONTHS IS A LITTLE LONG TO RUN THAT INVESTIGATION? >>
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| 03:17:58 |
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YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING. I DON'T HAVE AN ABILITY TO DO THE TOP-TO-BOTTOM INVESTIGATION BECAUSE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S INVESTIGATION AND...
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| 03:18:19 |
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ME -- I JUST HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME. >> WELL YOU ASK A QUESTION --
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| 03:18:26 |
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A QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT I SHOULD RESIGN AND I DON'T HAVE A CHANCE
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| 03:18:30 |
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TO RESPOND. >> OKAY. >> THANK
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| 03:18:32 |
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YOU. YOU ASKED ME TO RESIGN AS YOU HAVE, AS HAVE SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ASKED A BROAD QUESTION AND HOW YOU JUDGE THAT, WELL YOU...
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| 03:19:12 |
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WHY ARE WE WITHHOLDING SOME OF THE DELIBERATIVE DOCUMENTS, TOO? THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF MY CONCERNS. REALLY, A LOT OF TIMES HERE IN WASHINGTON, IT'S...
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| 03:20:22 |
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GENTLEMAN. WILL THE GENTLEMAN
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| 03:20:24 |
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YIELD? >> YES. JUST QUICKLY THE MINORITY IS NOT OBJECTING TO THE COLE DOCUMENT FROM MARCH 10, 2011, SO THAT IS PLACED IN THE RECORD. I THANK THE...
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| 03:20:37 |
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TO ANSWER? YOU'RE WELCOME TO OR NOT. >> YOU
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| 03:20:40 |
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CERTAINLY MAY RESPOND. >> THERE'S A
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| 03:20:42 |
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LIMITED AMOUNT OF INFORMATION I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. THE DEA LEADERSHIP HAS TOLD MY STAFF THAT THE INCIDENT YOU DESCRIBED IN YOUR LETTER WAS NOT A DEA...
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| 03:21:03 |
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FINE. I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE PILOT PILOTS. >> THAT'S FINE,
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| 03:21:07 |
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SURE. >> I THANK THE ATTORNEY
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| 03:21:09 |
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GENERAL, ON DECEMBER 5th WE ACTUALLY ASKED FOR A BRIEFING ON THAT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO THAT BRIEFING IN AN APPROPRIATE SETTING. NOW WE...
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| 03:21:26 |
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CHAIRMAN, AND THANK YOU, ATTORNEY GENERAL HOLDER, FOR ONCE AGAIN, COMING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. OUR JOB ON THIS COMMITTEE IS OVERSIGHT. IT IS TO EXAMINE...
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| 03:23:12 |
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WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? >> NOT
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| 03:23:14 |
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YET. THIS WAS AT A TIME WHEN THE INCOMING CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE SAID THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST CORRUPT PRESIDENTS IN MODERN...
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| 03:26:21 |
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THE RANKING MEMBER HAS FIVE SECONDS. >> MR. CHAIRMAN
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| 03:26:24 |
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IN LIGHT OF THE LATITUDE THAT YOU'VE GIVEN ON YOUR SIDE I'D JUST ASK FOR TWO MINUTES, TO THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME, UNANIMOUS CONSENT. I THINK YOU'VE BEEN...
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| 03:26:35 |
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ANY OBJECTIONS? WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE GENTLEMAN FROM MISSOURI HAS AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES. >> THANK YOU VERY
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| 03:26:42 |
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MUCH. I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THIS ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND I SEE THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON WITH IMMEDIATE SUPERVISORY RESPONSIBILITY...
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| 03:27:17 |
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THE BOTTOM OF THE CHART BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL ACCURATE. >> SIMILARLY, AT THE
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| 03:27:23 |
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U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN ARIZONA, ALL OF THE KEY PERSONNEL INVOLVED IN FAST AND FURIOUS HAVE RESIGNED, BEEN REMOVED OR BEEN REASSIGNED, THE UNITED...
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| 03:27:37 |
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I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL CORRECT AS WELL. >> ONE OF
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| 03:27:39 |
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THE CRITICISMS IS THAT NO ONE HAS BEEN ACTUALLY FIRED. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE WAITING TO TAKE FINAL PERSONNEL ACTIONS AGAINST SOME OF THESE EMPLOYEES?...
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| 03:27:50 |
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WANT TO SINGLE THOSE PEOPLE OUT, BECAUSE THE UNIVERSE IS ACTUALLY LARGER THAN THAT BUT CERTAINLY ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GOING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION...
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| 03:28:18 |
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| 03:28:22 |
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| 03:28:40 |
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| 03:28:42 |
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THANK YOU, MR.
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| 03:28:51 |
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CHAIRMAN. I'M OVER HERE, ATTORNEY GENERAL. >>
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| 03:28:54 |
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OKAY. >> ANOTHER CHEAP SEAT,
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| 03:28:56 |
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I'M AFRAID. IT'S NOT THAT CHEAP THOUGH. >> YOU WILL MOVE UP
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| 03:29:01 |
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THOUGH. >> WE APPRECIATE
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| 03:29:02 |
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YOU BEING HERE. I KNOW YOU'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF QUESTIONING AND FACT THAT IT'S NOT A POLITICAL HEARING, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M GETTING A...
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| 03:34:21 |
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IS EXPIRED. WE GO TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM OHIO, MR. KUSINICH FOR FIVE MINUTES. MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL WE'LL GET YOU CLOSE TO 1:00. WE'RE DOWN TO GO...
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| 03:34:34 |
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MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. I WANT YOU TO KNOW, ATTORNEY GENERAL, I'M SORRY I'M LATE TO THIS HEARING, BUT MY WIFE AND I WERE AT...
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| 03:34:54 |
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ABOUT THAT. >> WELL LET ME TELL YOU
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| 03:34:56 |
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BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN I THINK MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED BECAUSE FRANKLY I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYONE MAKE A CASE ABOUT YOU NOT PERFORMING YOUR DUTIES...
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| 03:36:50 |
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NEVER GOT THAT FROM EITHER MR. NELSON OR FROM MR. HOOVER. >> I WANT TO, I WANT TO GO BACK OVER THIS CHART AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR...
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| 03:36:56 |
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LEVEL OFFICIAL TO RESIGN, WHEN YOU HAVEN'T REACHED THE LEVEL OF PROOF THAT SOMETHING WAS RIGHT ON HIS DESK. NO ONE'S PROVED THAT AT ALL. BUT WE KEEP...
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| 03:40:20 |
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GENTLEMAN. WE NOW GO TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM IDAHO MR. LABRADOR FOR FIVE MINUTES. >> I'M GLAD THE MYJORITY
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| 03:40:27 |
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MADE A POINT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE FOR A LONG TIME. GOVERNMENT IS TOO BIG AND HAS TOO MANY LAYERS OF BUREAUCRACY BUT I'M ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE...
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| 03:42:51 |
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WAS INTERESTING WHAT YOU SAID "THAT MAY BE THE TRUTH." WHAT I SAID MAY BE THE TRUTH. >> I'M NOT DISPUTING IT. YOU CONTINUE TO COME TO CONGRESS UNPREPARED....
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| 03:42:55 |
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| 03:43:11 |
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| 03:43:14 |
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SLIDE. I NEVER ACTUALLY SAW THAT LETTER. THERE'S A PATTERN HERE THAT WE CONTINUE TO HEAR IN YOUR TESTIMONY. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. >> MR. CHAIRMAN,
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| 03:43:50 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? >> THE GENTLEMAN
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| 03:43:54 |
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WILL SUCCESS SEND SUSPEND. >>
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| 03:43:56 |
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YOU SAID THIS WOULD BE LIMITED TO FAST AND FURIOUS AND I'M SEEING SOMETHING UP THERE FROM 2001. >> I'M JUST SHOWING
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| 03:44:01 |
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A PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR. >> YEAH, WE'VE HONORED
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| 03:44:05 |
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THAT, AND I'VE BEEN VERY STRICT WITH MY PEOPLE ON THIS SIDE TO STAY WITHIN THE PARAMETERS THE CHAIRMAN SET. AS A MATTER OF FACT I THOUGHT WE'VE DONE...
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| 03:44:22 |
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SUSPEND. I'LL LIMIT TO WHAT HE CAN DO ANYTHING HE WANTS TO SAY RELATED TO STYLE. I DON'T A'SEE A QUESTION HERE. I HAVE HEARD TIME AND TIME AGAIN PEOPLE...
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| 03:45:00 |
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CHAIRMAN. >>
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| 03:45:01 |
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OKAY. >> NEXT SLIDE, YOU'RE RIGHT,
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| 03:45:03 |
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I DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT ALL THE MATERIALS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE ON MAY 13th OF 2010, WHEN YOU WERE TESTIFYING...
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| 03:46:36 |
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JUST WANT TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD, THIS GENTLEMAN COULD HAVE HAD A WHOLE PATTERN THAT BEGINS WITH FAST AND FURIOUS, BUT HE INSISTED UPON GOING BACK TO...
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| 03:47:00 |
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OF THE HOUSE SEVERELY LIMIT MY ABILITY TO IMPEDE YOUR FIVE MINUTES OF OPINION OR HIS FIVE MINUTES OF OPINION. I HAVE CAUTIONED MEMBERS. I HAVE...
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| 03:47:23 |
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MAY SAY, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT INTERPRETATION OF THE RULE WAS CLEARLY NOT BEFORE US BEFORE AND I AM GOING TO JUST HAVE TO ASK, SURE, IF IT'S THE RIGHT,...
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| 03:48:02 |
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FOR HER COMMENT. I HAVE THE ABILITY TO LIMIT THE SCOPE OF A HEARING. I'VE TRIED TO PROTECT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FROM ANSWERING QUESTIONS WHICH WERE...
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| 03:48:43 |
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THE RECORD. IT WAS SUGGESTING THAT IT WAS BILL MURRAY, NOT TOM HANKS FROM "GROUNDHOG DAY." SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW I THOUGHT YOU...
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| 03:49:02 |
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IT WAS 38 DAYS IN A ROW IN WHICH IT REPEATED IT SELF FOR GROUNDHOG DAY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN LET
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| 03:49:10 |
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ME SAY ONE THING IN RESPONSE TO MR. LABRADOR. THAT WAS AMONG ONE OF THE WORST THINGS I'VE SEEN IN CONGRESS. YOU TOOK A WHOLE SERIES OF STATEMENTS WITHOUT...
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| 03:49:22 |
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ALL DUE RESPECT THE WORST THING -- >> THE GENTLEMAN'S
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| 03:49:25 |
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TIME HASEK PIRD. >> YOU KNOW, I WAS, THE
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| 03:49:28 |
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MARK RICH THING WAS CONSIDERED MY CONFIRMATION, TALKED ABOUT IT THEN. THERE IS A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT I COULD SAY ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST DID,...
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| 03:50:38 |
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THE GENTLEMAN. WE NOW GO TO THE SENIOR MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE FROM PENNSYLVANIA, MR. PLATTS. >> THANK YOU, MR.
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| 03:50:45 |
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CHAIRMAN. I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL FIRST I'D JUST COMMENT, MOST OF MY LINE OF QUESTIONS OR...
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| 03:52:29 |
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FROM PENNSYLVANIA. I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL WITH RESPECT TO THE OCTOBER 12, 2001 E-MAIL WITH MR. WEINSTEIN AND MR. TRUSTY, YOU WOULD...
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| 03:52:58 |
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BE TOLLED? >>
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| 03:53:00 |
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WE'LL SUSPEND AND GIVE THE GENTLEMAN THE DOCUMENT AGAIN. >> THIS IS OCTOBER
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| 03:53:09 |
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17th? SORRY, OCTOBER 14th, OCTOBER 17th AND OCTOBER 16th -- 18th. >> THAT'S
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| 03:53:16 |
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CORRECT. IF YOU NEED TIME TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH IT, TAKE ALL THE TIME YOU WANT. >>
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| 03:53:21 |
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THAT'S FINE. NO, I'M OKAY. >> WOULD YOU AGREE WITH ME
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| 03:53:26 |
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THAT FAST AND FURIOUS IS MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY IN THAT E-MAIL EXCHANGE? >> YES, ON THE, I GUESS
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| 03:53:34 |
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THIS IS THE OCTOBER 17th FROM JASON WEINSTEIN TO JAMES TRUSTY. >> AND BOTH OF
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| 03:53:43 |
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THOSE GENTLEMEN ARE MAIN JUSTICE EMPLOYEES. >>
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| 03:53:45 |
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THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND WOULD YOU AGREE GUN
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| 03:53:47 |
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WALK SOMETHING MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY, CORRECT? >>
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| 03:53:52 |
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YES. IN THE SECOND LINE. THE NUMBER OF GUNS THAT HAVE WALKED. >> YES,
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| 03:53:56 |
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SIR, AND IT IS ACTUALLY MENTIONED IN BOTH THE EXCHANGES. GUNS THAT HAVE WALKED AND THEN SOMEBODY SAYS GUN WALKING. SO THAT'S TWO REFERENCES TO IT. NOW,...
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| 03:54:16 |
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SEE THIS VERY WELL BUT I'M GOING TO ASSUME GIVEN THE TENOR OF WHY YOU ARE QUESTION THAT THE TERM "WIDE RECEIVER" DOES NOT APPEAR IN HERE BUT MR. WEINSTEIN...
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| 03:54:32 |
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MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. MY POINT IS THIS. LEADING UP TO FEBRUARY 4th, A LETTER WAS BEING DRAFTED, AND I'M MUCH MORE CONCERNED WITH THE NAME AT THE...
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| 03:55:29 |
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THERE WERE PEOPLE IN MAIN JUSTICE WHO DID HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE OF WIDE RECEIVER AND WHO ADMITTED THAT THEY DID NOT MAKE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN WIDE RECEIVER...
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| 03:55:55 |
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INTERRUPTING WITNESSES, BUT I'M ALMOST OUT OF TIME. I'M GOING TO READ A SUM FRIDAY A DOJ ATTACHE NAMED TONY GARCIA. HE SUGGESTED ALLOWING PURCHASERS TO...
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| 03:56:27 |
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VERY BRIEFLY. >> VERY
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| 03:56:29 |
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BRIEFLY. HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSION AT MAIN JUSTICE OF EITHER A GRANT OF IMMUNITY TO MR. CUNNINGHAM SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT HE FEELS THE NEED...
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| 03:56:51 |
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WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED IMMUNITY OR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR. THAT WILL BE FOR YOU ALL TO ASK US, IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO HAVE CONSIDERED. I WILL...
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THE DEATH OF BRIAN TERRY. NONE OF US DID. THIS WAS A HORRIBLE INCIDENT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF CONSEQUENCES OVER TIME BECAUSE WE WANT TO...
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| 03:58:48 |
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THAT IT IS AS ROBUST AS WHAT YOU HAVE JUST DESCRIBED WITH REGARD TO THE FBI. >> THAT'S CONSISTENT
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| 03:58:53 |
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WITH THE FBI PROCESS, IS THAT CORRECT? >>
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| 03:58:55 |
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I'M SORRY? >> IS THAT THE RIGHT PROCESS
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| 03:58:57 |
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FOR FBI THAT THEY GO THROUGH? >> I THINK THE FBI PROCESS
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| 03:59:00 |
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IS A GOOD ONE. >> THAT'S
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| 03:59:03 |
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GREAT. >> I THINK THAT WE NEED
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| 03:59:05 |
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TO HAVE NOT ONLY WITH REGARD TO ATF BUT OTHER INVESTIGATIVE AGENCIES WITHIN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT MAKE SURE WE HAVE SIMILAR PROCEDURES IN PLACE. THAT'S...
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| 03:59:22 |
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IN A SYSTEM AND STRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE THIS NEVER, EVER HAPPENS AGAIN. SO IT DOESN'T BECOME SUCH A BUREAUCRATTIC MAZE NOTHING HAPPENS, BUT MAKE SURE...
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| 03:59:50 |
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I WOULD HOPE THIS WILL SOMETHING WE CAN DO OVER A MATTER OF SHORT NUMBER OF MONTHS. I THINK TO DO THIS RIGHT WE NEED TO HAVE BUY-IN FROM PEOPLE WHO...
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| 04:00:35 |
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THING I WANT TO SAY TO THE TERRY FAMILY THAT THIS OCCURRED AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T OCCUR AGAIN. LET ME MAKE A QUICK SIDE...
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| 04:01:25 |
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THERE'S ANOTHER VIOLATION OF YOUR RULE COMING UP. >> THE
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| 04:01:28 |
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GENTLELADY IS OUT OF ORDER. >> I PREFACED IT BY
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| 04:01:31 |
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SAYING I'M MAKING A SFWAMT IT. I DO NOT EXPECT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO RESPOND TO THIS. SO NEIL CADELE MADE THIS STATEMENT TO THE SUPREME COURT SAYING...
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| 04:02:18 |
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QUESTION. THERE'S NO QUESTION THERE. ARE YOU YIELDING TO ME? >> I YIELD
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| 04:02:22 |
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BACK. >> I'LL GIVE YOU TIME
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| 04:02:23 |
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FOR A QUICK CLOSE. THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US THROUGH DISCOVERY THAT ON FEBRUARY 4th LANNY BREWER WAS, IN FACT, TALKING ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT...
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| 04:03:44 |
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WAS PROPOSED IN FEBRUARY BY LANNY BREWER WAS AGAINST THE POLICY THAT I HAD THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL MAKE CLEAR TO EVERYBODY AT MAIN JUSTICE AND TO...
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| 04:04:02 |
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YOU, AND I'M NOT GOING TO ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS. YOU'VE BEEN VERY GENEROUS WITH YOUR TIME. I WANT TO REITERATE ONE THING, AND WE CAN'T UNDO EVERYTHING...
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| 04:06:09 |
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I WOULD JUST SAY THAT -- >> WOULD THE GENTLEMAN
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| 04:06:13 |
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SUSPEND. 30 SECONDS, OF COURSE. >> I WANTED TO GO BACK
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| 04:06:17 |
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TO SOMETHING HE WAS ASKING ABOUT WITH REGARD TO MR. WINESTEIN. I WANTED TO MAKE IT PART OF THE RECORD OF HIS TRANSCRIPT ON PAGE 121 WHERE HE SAYS,...
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| 04:06:47 |
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THE LAST WORD MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL BRIEFLY. >> YOU AND I TALKED
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| 04:06:53 |
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BEFORE THE HEARING BEGAN, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT YOU, THE RANKING MEMBER, THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE HAVE TREATED ME FAIRLY WITH ONE EXCEPTION...
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HOLDER, AND HE WE STAND ADJOURNED. >> THANK
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| 04:12:48 |
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YOU. >>> FIRST OF ALL,
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| 04:12:49 |
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THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THIS IS THE SIXTH TIME THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS APPEARED BEFORE CONGRESS, AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE HEARD TODAY THAT...
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| 04:14:46 |
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AHEAD. >> MR.
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| 04:14:48 |
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NORTON. >> I
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| 04:14:50 |
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WANT TO SAY THAT UNFORTUNATELY I THINK MOST OF THIS HEARING WOULD HAVE BORED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT -- WHERE'S THE...
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| 04:17:34 |
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MALONEY. >> THIS
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| 04:17:35 |
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HEARING AND INVESTIGATION HAS BECOME THE VAST AND CURIOUS INVESTIGATION, AND IT HAS SHOWN THAT THEY ARE MORE INTERESTED IN THE SYMPTOMS THAN WHAT IS THE...
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| 04:20:25 |
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CONLEY. >> THANK YOU MR. CUMMINGS
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| 04:20:28 |
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AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE. THE STAKES HERE ARE VERY SERIOUS. WE SHOULDN'T PLAY POLITICS WITH THE TRAGEDY OCCURRING ON THE SOUTHERN...
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| 04:21:11 |
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QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A
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| 04:21:13 |
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QUESTION. HAVE YOU GUYS HEARD VOCAL SUPPORT FROM THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION FOR YOUR GUN TRAFFICKING LEGISLATION BEFORE THE TESTIMONY WE HEARD TODAY?...
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| 04:21:32 |
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THE STATE OF THE UNION, BUT WHEN WE HAD OUR FIRST HEARING, THERE WERE THREE THINGS THAT THE AGENTS CALLED FOR. ONE WAS TO HAVE THE PURCHASE OF LONG...
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| 04:22:52 |
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STILL, THE ADMINISTRATION OUT OF THREE THINGS, THEY'VE ALREADY DONE TWO. I THINK THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. >>
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| 04:22:58 |
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EXACTLY. >>
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| 04:23:00 |
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LOOK. THERE WAS REPEATED SUPPORT WHEN WE'VE HAD THESE HEARINGS. WE'VE ALWAYS ASKED ABOUT SHOULD THERE BE LEGISLATION. THOSE REPRESENTING THE ADMINISTRATION...
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| 04:23:23 |
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PUT TO HIM BY ME TODAY, SHOULDN'T THIS KIND OF GUN TRAFFICKING BE A FEDERAL OFFENSE, HIS ANSWER WAS VERY CLEAR. YES. >> ACTUALLY, HE PUT
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| 04:23:33 |
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IT IN HIS TESTIMONY. >> YES,
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| 04:23:34 |
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SIR. >> THE NEXT STEP IN THIS
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| 04:23:36 |
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ENTIRE INVESTIGATION, IS THIS PRETTY MUCH CONCLUDED FOR YOU? >> I WOULD HOPE
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| 04:23:40 |
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SO. I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD MOVE TO REFORM. THIS IS GOVERNMENT AND OVERSIGHT REFORM, AND I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE TO REFORM. AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID,...
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| 04:24:17 |
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PART-TIME POSITION FOR HIM, THOUGH. IS THAT CONCERNING? >> THAT'S
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| 04:24:20 |
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BECAUSE THE SENATE WON'T CONFIRM A PERMANENT DIRECTOR. I ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT, AND HE SAID HE CAN HANDLE IT AND APPEARS TO BE DOING QUITE WELL. >>...
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| 04:24:29 |
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A DIRECTOR. >> WE DO NEED
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| 04:24:31 |
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TO CONFIRM. ALL RIGHT. >>
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| 04:24:32 |
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LET'S GO VOTE. THANK YOU. >>
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.