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McCartin, James - Co-Director
STEINFELTS. WE ARE PLEASED TO BE HOSTING A THREE-WAY DEBATE, WHAT RULES AMERICA -- MONEY, MORALS OR MYTH? AND WE'RE GRATEFUL THAT YOU HAVE MADE THE...
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| 00:03:25 |
Dionne, E. "E.J." J. Jr. - Senior Fellow
POINT. AND EACH WILL WIN A PRIMARY AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER IN ALL OF THIS. I'M JUST SO HAPPY TO BE HERE. I LOVE COMING TO THE CENTER FOR THE WORK JIM...
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| 00:11:14 |
Kuttner, Robert - Distinguished Senior Fellow
IT'S RATHER DIFFICULT TO NOT BELIEVE THAT MONEY VERY SUBSTANTIALLY RULES AMERICA. HOW DOES MONEY RULE AMERICA? LET US COUNT THE WAYS. FOR STARTERS,...
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| 00:22:15 |
George, Robert A. - Associate Editor
EASY ONE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, I'M CERTAINLY NOT -- WELL, FOR ONE THING, I'M A REPUBLICAN. SO I'M NOT GOING TO SAY MONEY DOESN'T HAVE A ROLE IN SOCIETY....
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| 00:31:01 |
Jacoby, Susan - Program Director
MYTHS THAT SHAPE OUR POLITICS, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MYTH AS EITHER TRUTH OR FALSEHOOD. BUT AS AN EMOTIONAL FRAMEWORK THAT DEFINES THE TERMS OF OUR...
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| 00:43:17 |
Dionne, E. "E.J." J. Jr. - Senior Fellow
TALK REMINDED ME OF YOGI BERRA'S GREAT LINE UPON LEARNING THAT THE LORD MAYOR OF DUBLIN WAS JEWISH, MANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT HE SAID. HE EXCLAIMED...
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| 00:44:26 |
Kuttner, Robert - Distinguished Senior Fellow
A FOUNDATIONAL SET OF BELIEFS MATTERS. MORALITY MATTERS. AND ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT AMERICA IS THAT OUR FOUNDATIONAL MYTHS HAVE INDEED ...
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| 00:49:55 |
George, Robert A. - Associate Editor
CAN BE A TOUGH JOB. I'LL ADMIT THAT. I WILL POINT OUT THAT BOB IN HIS OPENING REMARKS MENTIONED THE CITIZENS UNITED CASE, WHICH HAS HELPED OPEN...
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| 00:55:32 |
Jacoby, Susan - Program Director
ROBERT KUTTNER SAID AND A LOT MORE OF WHAT ROBERT GEORGE SAYS THAN I EXPECTED TO. BUT HE HAD TO BRING UP THAT THING ABOUT IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT LONGER...
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| 01:00:57 |
George, Robert A. - Associate Editor
IS AMORAL OR IMMORAL. THAT IS WHY IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR AN ATHEIST TO BECOME PREGNANT.
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| 01:01:14 |
Dionne, E. "E.J." J. Jr. - Senior Fellow
I WOULD NOT TRY TO INSULT ANY ATHEIST. >> I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF THESE DISCUSSIONS. WE MAY HAVE ALREADY HAD AN ATHEIST BROTHER THAT, BUT...
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| 01:02:32 |
Kuttner, Robert - Distinguished Senior Fellow
QUITE THE. I AM MAKING IS NOT THE MONEY ROLLS ALL THE TIME -- >> THE POINT I AM MAKING IS NOT THE MONEY ROLLS ALL THE TIME. IF FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION WERE...
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| 01:04:30 |
George, Robert A. - Associate Editor
THAT AS THE COUNTRY HAS GROWN OLDER AND HAS BECOME TEMPERAMENTALLY OR POLITICALLY CONSERVATIVE, IT IS NOT THE CONSTITUENCY THAT IT ONCE WAS FAR SOCIAL...
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| 01:05:53 |
Jacoby, Susan - Program Director
UP AS ROMNEY DID IN FARDA AND SAY "I AM NOT GOING TO TOUCH YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY." ALL OF THE DEBATES -- I AM NOT SAYING THERE DO NOT HAVE TO BE CHANGES...
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| 01:07:39 |
Kuttner, Robert - Distinguished Senior Fellow
NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE, SINGLE-PAYER, MEDICARE -- IT DOES NOT GET ONTO THE MENU BECAUSE OF THE MENU IS DOMINATED BY VERY POWERFUL, ELITE INDUSTRIES....
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| 01:09:44 |
Dionne, E. "E.J." J. Jr. - Senior Fellow
LOT OF CONSERVATIVES AND LIBERALS IN THEIR HEARTS ARE AGAINST, YET WE DO THIS IT IS AS IF THE COUNTERCULTURE HAS BECOME THE ULTIMATE COUNTERCULTURE. IT...
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| 01:10:09 |
George, Robert A. - Associate Editor
LET'S SEE. I WORK FOR THE "NEW YORK POST." I SHOULD KNOW SOMETHING. >> YOU CAN TEST THEIR COMMITMENTS ON FREE SPEECH. >> EXACTLY. [LAUGHTER] FREE SPEECH...
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| 01:12:57 |
Jacoby, Susan - Program Director
WHEN ALICE IS ASKING ABOUT SOME MORAL. >> EVERYTHING HAS A MORAL IF ONLY YOU CAN FIND IT. RELIGIOUSLY BASED MORALITY VERSUS MARKET REALITY -- I DO NOT...
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| 01:14:41 |
Dionne, E. "E.J." J. Jr. - Senior Fellow
BUT I DO NOT WANT TO WASTE OUR TIME -- MY EVIDENCE OF THESE PROPOSITIONS, I WILL. TO MOST EVERYTHING ON TELEVISION, THE RADIO, AND EVERYTHING COMING...
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| 01:14:59 |
Jacoby, Susan - Program Director
I THINK THIS KIND OF SKEPTICISM IS GREATLY OVERRATED. I DO NOT THINK I COULD SIT THERE AND -- I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT...
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| 01:16:47 |
George, Robert A. - Associate Editor
POLITICIANS LIE, IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT A LOT OF INSTITUTIONS, SADLY EVEN RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS, HAVE FAILED TO LIVE UP TO THEIR OWN STATED MORAL PRECEPTS,...
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| 01:18:26 |
Kuttner, Robert - Distinguished Senior Fellow
NOT FIGHTING ABOUT THE NEW DEAL. WE ARE FIGHTING ABOUT ENLIGHTENMENT. THERE IS DISSENT AND TO TRIBALISM. THERE IS A DESCENT INTO DOGMA. A KIND OF ANTI-SCIENCE...
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| 01:20:15 |
Dionne, E. "E.J." J. Jr. - Senior Fellow
BALONEY." ANYBODY WANT TO COMMENT ON EITHER MENDACITY OR METAPHOR? >> METAPHOR AND MYTH SEEMED TO BE -- SEEM TO ME TO BE ALMOST THE SAME.
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| 01:20:36 |
Jacoby, Susan - Program Director
BUT LANGUAGE, IT IS NO USE RANTING ON ABOUT THE DETERIORATION OF LANGUAGE. I TRIED IN MY LAST BOOK. I MADE A STUPID FUTILE STAND AGAINST THE USE OF THE...
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| 01:21:50 |
Kuttner, Robert - Distinguished Senior Fellow
YOU HAD LONG PERIODS OF OTTER MEDIOCRITY. BARNEY FRANK GOT A GREAT LOT -- A GREAT LINE OF THE OTHER NIGHT. I WAS ON A PANEL WERE I HAD TO FOLLOW BARNEY....
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| 01:24:00 |
George, Robert A. - Associate Editor
IT IS -- I OBVIOUSLY DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT WITH BOB. I THINK IT IS MORE MYTH THAN ANYTHING ELSE. IT SEEMS, JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE OF TRYING TO COMPARE...
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| 01:26:34 |
Jacoby, Susan - Program Director
I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES. IT HAS TO BE SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THINGS LIKE PEOPLE LINING UP TO BUY THE NEWEST VERSION OF THE EYE FROM. IT IS GREAT FOR APPLE'S...
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| 01:28:58 |
Kuttner, Robert - Distinguished Senior Fellow
QUISITIVENESS? >> THE MARRIAGE OF COMMERCIALISM AND ENTERTAINMENT IS FATAL TO CIVIL SOCIETY. MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES...
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| 01:31:31 |
George, Robert A. - Associate Editor
POSSIBILITY OF AN AMAZING -- AMUSING OURSELVES TO DEATH. WHAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY FOUND OUT IS APPLE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FALL OF A MAN. [LAUGHTER] I...
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| 01:34:26 |
Dionne, E. "E.J." J. Jr. - Senior Fellow
ROBERT, AND SUGGEST THE FOLLOWING. WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE ORIGINS OF THE REPUBLIC -- OF OUR REPUBLIC, THERE ARE A SET OF PRINCIPLES THAT, EVEN IF THEY...
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| 01:36:00 |
Jacoby, Susan - Program Director
WRONG WITH IT IS WHEN IT BECOMES AN EMPTY FORMULA JUSTIFYING WHATEVER IF YOU WANT TO JUSTIFY. I SEE EASILY HOW EXTENDING THE VOTE TO WIN OMEN AND BLACKS...
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| 01:39:09 |
George, Robert A. - Associate Editor
POINT I MADE EARLIER ON, LOOK AT THE DECLARATION. IT MENTIONS "CREATOR" AS OPPOSED TO JUST PROVIDENCE. THAT FOUNDATIONAL MORALITY THAT IS CARVED OUT...
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| 01:41:37 |
Kuttner, Robert - Distinguished Senior Fellow
E.J.,, YOU STATED PERFECTLY, THE SENTIMENTS IN THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AT THE TIME WERE ASPIRATIONAL. THEY WERE NOT DESCRIPTIVE OF REALITY, BUT THEY WERE...
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| 01:43:39 |
George, Robert A. - Associate Editor
THAT IS THE CASE. MONEY HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN POLITICS. ALWAYS. EVEN BEFORE CITIZENS UNITED, THE OBAMA-MCCAIN RACE, WHEN YOU ADDED IN ALL OF THE MONEY,...
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| 01:46:04 |
Jacoby, Susan - Program Director
EXAGGERATED IN BOTH POLITICS. I DO A LOT OF WRITING ABOUT PHILANTHROPY. THE SAME THING YOU SAID ABOUT POLITICS HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT PHILANTHROPY, BUT,...
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| 01:48:54 |
Kuttner, Robert - Distinguished Senior Fellow
PATRONAGE. >> IF YOU GO BACK IN AMERICAN HISTORY, THIS EBBS AND FLOWS. YOU HAVE CYCLES OF EXCESS, SUCH AS THE 1890'S, FOLLOWED BY CYCLES OF REFORM....
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| 01:50:11 |
Dionne, E. "E.J." J. Jr. - Senior Fellow
THEM ALL TOGETHER. PICK OUT THE ONES YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO. MENTION HAS BEEN MADE OF AN AMERICAN MORALITY, OR A SPECIFIC AMERICAN MORAL CODE. WHAT WOULD...
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| 01:52:23 |
George, Robert A. - Associate Editor
ABOUT AMERICAN EXCEPTIONAL AS SOME IN THE SENSE OF US BEING THE ONE TO HELP CONFLICTED NATIONS, WHETHER IT IS SENDING AID FOR SOME MOMMIES, EARTHQUAKES,...
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| 01:53:57 |
Kuttner, Robert - Distinguished Senior Fellow
IS VERY IMPORTANT. WE TALK ABOUT THE TRADITIONS OF BLOCK TRANSACTIONS -- PROSTITUTION IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE NORMS OF CONGRESS....
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| 01:55:42 |
Jacoby, Susan - Program Director
BIFURCATION ISSUE, THE IDEA THAT IT IS POSSIBLE FOR MONEY AND MORALITY -- AND THIS I AM TAKING YOUR POSITION ON -- HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY TALK ABOUT MONEY...
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| 01:58:03 |
Kuttner, Robert - Distinguished Senior Fellow
SPHERE WHERE THE ENCROACHING PARTY DOES NOT BELONG? CHURCH AND STATE IS WHAT YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT. WHAT WOULD BE YOUR EXAMPLE MONEY DOES NOT BELONG...
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| 01:58:51 |
Jacoby, Susan - Program Director
CLEARLY LIMIT THINGS, BUT YOU CANNOT, FOR EXAMPLE, MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP RELIGION OUT OF POLITICS, I WOULD LOVE TO, BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE....
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| 01:59:40 |
Dionne, E. "E.J." J. Jr. - Senior Fellow
MY ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, RULES OUT AMERICA IS ARGUMENT RULES AMERICA. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TAKEN BY THE PERSON WHO SAID WE NEED TO CREATE THE ATTENTIVE...
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