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THE FOUNDER OF TIME INCORPORATED AND THE PUBLISHER OF "TIME," "FORTUNE," "LIFE" AND "SPORTS ILLUSTRATED." NEXT A DISCUSSION OF PUBLISHING AMERICAN IN...
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| 00:00:56 |
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GOOD MORNING. THANKS FOR COMING. MY NAME IS MARTY KAPLAN, I'M ONLY THE FACULTY OF THE ADAM BURG SCHOOL FOR COMMUNICATION AND JOURNALISM AT THE UNIVERSITY...
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| 00:05:39 |
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YOU, MARTY. THE TITLE OF THIS SESSION, HISTORIANS, JOURNALISTS AND THE CHALLENGES OF GETTING IT RIGHT IS VERY APT FOR A TALK ABOUT HENRY LUCE BECAUSE...
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| 00:24:04 |
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ALAN. AND IT'S -- THE WORK IS NOT ONLY BRILLIANT PIECE OF SCHOLARSHIP, IT IS AN AMAZING STORY AND TOLD IN A RIVETING WAY. FOR THOSE OF WHO YOU HAVE...
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| 00:29:05 |
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IS REALITY. IF I COULD, LET ME GET AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT WAY. I'M NOT SURE I CAN RISE TO THE HEIGHTS OF THAT QUESTION. I'M THINKING A LOT ABOUT HOW...
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| 00:30:25 |
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NO. BUT I THINK THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS AS WE KNOW FOR HISTORIANS IS WHO ARE MOSTLY ACADEMIC HISTORIANS LIKE MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AND ONE...
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| 00:31:51 |
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SAME AREA. >> SURE. WELL, I'LL BEGIN IN THE CONFESSIONAL MODE ALSO IN THAT I ALSO GREW UP WITH "TIME" AND "LIFE" LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE OF OUR GENERATION....
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| 00:36:55 |
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YOUR STUDENTS KNOW WHO BEN HECHT IS. THAT'S THE BEST THEY THINK I'VE LEARNED ALL DECADE. BUT, YES, I'M ACTUALLY QUITE OF THEABLE WITH THE DEFINITION...
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| 00:44:01 |
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NOW COME OUT THAT I SUSPECT OTHERS WANT TO COMMENT ON. BEFORE DOING THAT, I WANT TO CONFESS THAT IN MY HOUSE, "TIME" AND "LIFE" ARE WERE UNWELCOME, IT...
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| 00:44:26 |
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LIKE TO ASK YOU TO REACT IN PART TO WHAT YOU'VE HEARDWEEK WAS MORE LIBERAL. >> ALAN, I'D LIKE TO
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| 00:44:30 |
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ASK YOU TO REACT IN PART TO WHAT YOU'VE HEARD"NEWSWEEK" WAS MORE LIBERAL. >> ALAN, I'D LIKE TO
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| 00:44:33 |
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ASK YOU TO REACT IN PART TO WHAT YOU'VE HEARD IN THE WAY IN WHICH LUCE THOUGHT JOURNALISM SHOULD FUNCTION. HE DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY DIFFICULT I...
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| 00:44:50 |
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A VERY POPULAR FIGURE AMONG JOURNALISTS, BUT HE CERTAINLY DID REPRESENT>> I THINK LUCE, ALTHOUGH NOT A VERY POPULAR FIGURE AMONG JOURNALISTS, BUT HE...
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| 00:44:59 |
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A VERY POPULAR FIGURE AMONG JOURNALISTS, BUT HE CERTAINLY DID REPRESENT A PERIOD OF JOURNALISM IN WHICH THERE WAS AN EVIDENT TO CREATE SOME KIND OF...
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| 00:48:11 |
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A COMMENT, BUT FIRST LET ME ASK JACKSON A QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED HONESTY TO THE EVIDENCE. CAN YOU UNPACK THAT A BIT? >> I REALIZE BOTH
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| 00:48:17 |
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OF THOSE KEY TERMS ARE PROBLEMATIC. BOTH HONESTY AND EVIDENCE CAN BE ARGUED ABOUT INDEFINITELY. BUT AS AN IDEA, IT STILL SEEMS TO ME MORE PRODUCTIVE...
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| 00:51:24 |
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GO FOR IT. I WAS GOING TO SAY I DISSENT STRONGLY FROM THE IDEA THAT WE NO LONGER CREATE CONSENSUAL NARRATIVES. IT WOULD BE FOOLISH POT TO ADMIT THAT...
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| 00:53:43 |
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I'D LIKE ON JUST STAY A FEW WORDS OF DISSENT AGAIN. FROM THE IDEA A LITTLE DISAGREEMENT I GUESS WITH ALAN, ALSO WITH RICK, ABOUT THE IDEA THAT WAS...
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| 00:57:00 |
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YOU DISSEPTEMBERING FROM. IS THERE ANY DAYLIGHT BETWEEN YOUR CONCEPTIONS? >> I THINK I DO AGREE THERE
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| 00:57:06 |
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ARE CONSENSUAL VIEWS ON MANY ISSUES AT VARIOUS POINTS IN OUR AGE. THE IRAQ WAR IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF IT. AND PEOPLE DO RACE TO WHAT SEEM TO BE THE OBVIOUS...
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| 00:59:21 |
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I THINK TO ALAN'S CAPACITY TO ENCOMPASS ALL OF HENRY LUCE THAT YOU YOU MIGHT DESCRIBE HENRY LUCE IN ANYWAY AS NOBLE. >> IT IS INTERESTING
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| 00:59:34 |
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BECAUSE HE WAS SEEN AS THIS LIBERAL AND I THINK THE DEMOCRAT BEING PARTY IS NOT LIBERAL ENOUGH. AND LUCE WAS OF COURSE SEEN AS A REPUBLICAN PARTISAN...
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| 01:00:18 |
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KEY WORD WHICH IS TORT AND THESIS AUTHORITY AND THE ABSENCE OF IT.SUFFERROUS. >> ALAN JUST INTRODUCED
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| 01:00:24 |
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A KEY WORD WHICH IS AUTHORITY AND THE ABSENCE OF IT. I BELIEVE, TOO, WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN SAYING ABOUT THE PERSISTENCE OF CONSENSUS. THERE'S A KIND...
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| 01:02:03 |
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EXAMPLE IS THE OWS. AND THIS CAN COULD BECOME A VERY IMPORTANT PERIOD OF OUR LIVES. ON THE OTHER HAND, WHERE ARE THE INSTITUTION HAS HEIGHT ALLOWMIGHT...
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| 01:02:53 |
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TIME, OWS WAS INFORMED BY A LOT OF MEDIA THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT MAINSTREAM MEDIA A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKING THE ARGUMENTS THAT WHAT SURFACED IN ZUCCOTTI PARK,...
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| 01:04:03 |
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DEVELOPMENTE TO QUOTE SOMETHING THAT JACKSON WROTE. IT IS DELUSIONAL TO PRETEND THAT THE LUMBERING BOW HEEM MOTHS OF THE CONTEMPORARY MEDIA INDUSTRY...
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| 01:04:24 |
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TALK ABOUT. >>
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| 01:04:28 |
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THAT IS A CONCERN HERE OF COURSE AND THAT'S LOWER RATE REPUBLICAN. >> YES. >> THIS IS WHAT OF
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| 01:04:32 |
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COURSE I TEND TO BELIEVE IS CENTRAL TO DEMOCRACY. IT'S NOT ABOUT VOTING. IT'S ABOUT AN INFORMED CITIZENRY LIKE THE ONE MICHAEL WAS DESCRIBING. AGAIN,...
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| 01:06:40 |
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ABOUT ALL THESE BROADER ISSUES IN THE CONTEXT OF THE BUSINESS OF MEDIA AND THE HISTORY OF THE BUSINESS OF MEDIA. AND THE BROADER QUESTION I THINK IS...
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| 01:09:45 |
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THE IDEA THAT THE PRESS SEFRP SERVES THE PUBLIC INTERESTS FIRST AND PROFITS FOLLOW, IS THAT ROMANTICIZED AND DEAD? >>
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| 01:09:54 |
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YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THAT IT DIED BECAUSE OF A SHIFT IN THE NORMS OF CAPITALISM. IT'S THE SAME REASON STEEL MILLS DIED IN THE MIDWEST. THEY 5% QUARTERLY...
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| 01:10:56 |
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OF PLAYING -- BEING NOS DAMAGIC A LITTLE BIT? AFTER ALL, CAPITALISM IS A CREATIVE SYSTEM AND INEVITABLY YOUNG PEOPLE ESPECIALLY WERE GOING TO ADOPT...
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| 01:13:54 |
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YOU WANTED TO MAKE? >> NO. >> BEFORE WE CONTINUE
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| 01:14:01 |
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ALONG THAT REALM WHICH I THINK BRINGS US ON POPULAR CULTURE, IT RAISES THE QUESTION OF WHO ARE THE EDUCATORS OF THE EDUCATED IS THE CITIZENRY, POLITICIANS...
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| 01:14:52 |
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GINGRICH? >> DEFINITELY. THE BEST SELLING HISTORIAN WAS GLENN BECK. AT LEAST LAST YEAR. I'M NOT SURE HOW HIS SALES ARE DOING THIS YEAR. IF YOU EVER...
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| 01:16:03 |
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POLITICIANS, I WON'T SPECIFY PARTY, ARE REALLY POOR HISTORIANS AND OUR JOURNALISTS ARE POOR FACT CHECKERS OF THAT HISTORY. I RECENTLY WROTE A BLOG POST,...
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| 01:18:49 |
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EXCELLENT EXAMPLE AND I WANT TO RISE TO A SLIGHTLY MORE AERIAL VIEW HERE ON THE QUESTION OF JOURNALIST VERSUS HISTORIANS AND THE ACCOUNTS THEY GIVE...
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| 01:22:13 |
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TO SIMPLICITY, IS THAT THE IMPLICATION? >> THEY
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| 01:22:18 |
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SHOULDN'T BE. IT SHOULD BE KEEP DIGGING AND GETTING IT RIGHT MEANS GETTING IT IN ALL OF ITS COMPLEXITY. OF COURSE, YOU CAN GET TANGLED UP IN SELF...
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| 01:23:17 |
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WORKING ON THE BOOK, HOW DID THE NOTION OF GETTING IT RIGHT PLAY OUT, IF AT ALL? WAS IT SOMETHING WHICH IS CLEAR TO YOU? CONTROVERSIAL OR IRRELEVANT?...
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| 01:23:34 |
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COURSE, I TRIED TO GET MY OWN WORK RIGHT. DID LUCE TRY TO GET IT RIGHT? I THINK HE DID TRY. HE LIVED WITHIN A WORLD IN WHICH A WHOLE RANGE OF AREAS...
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| 01:28:24 |
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INVITE QUESTIONS FROM THE ROOM. I HAVE THREE QUICK QUESTIONS. ONE FOR EACH OF YOU. RICK, YOU AND MICHAEL WERE SIGNERS OF A LETTER ON THE ABC MINI SERIES...
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| 01:28:59 |
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IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION. I AM PERSONALLY NOT A STICKLER FOR A PEDANTIC IN CULTURAL HISTORY. I SAY IF IT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR SHAKESPEARE, IT IS GOOD...
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| 01:30:41 |
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QUOTED THAT HOWARD ZEN'S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES REPRESENTS A SIMPLICITY PROPAGANDA OF AMERICAN HISTORY. WHICH STARTLED ME. NOT THAT I DISAGREE....
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| 01:30:59 |
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FOR THAT FROM MY LEFT. QUITE A LOT, ACTUALLY. WE WILL BEGIN ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT A DIFFERENT KIND OF HISTORY. HE WAS NOT REALLY A JOURNALIST. >>...
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| 01:31:20 |
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WAS TRYING OR TEACHING A VERSION OF HISTORY TO MY MIND WAS SIMPLICITY, BUT ALSO ROMANTIC IN A WAY WHICH, I THINK, VERGES ON ALMOST FALSEHOOD. HE...
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| 01:33:47 |
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SAME PIECE OF YOURS THAT I QUOTED EARLIER, YOU ALSO SAY THE PUBLIC'S FEAR IS A MESS. TO THE DEGREE YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT, I WONDER IF YOU THINK JOURNALISM...
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| 01:34:15 |
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ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN THAT'S WHAT GETS ME OUT OF BED EVERY MORNING, I THINK. THAT THIS NAIVE, BUT PERSISTENT IDEA THAT IF WE DO GET IT RIGHT -- AND BY WE,...
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| 01:36:35 |
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INVITE QUESTIONS. THERE A MICROPHONE WHICH WILL COME TO YOU. THOUGH IT WON'T AMPLIFY YOUR VOICE. DON'T USE IT AS A REASON NOT TO SPEAK LOUDLY. ALSO,...
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| 01:36:58 |
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ROSS. I HAVE A COMMENT AND YOU CAN RESPOND, IF YOU WANT. GETTING BACK TO MARTY'S ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES...
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| 01:40:23 |
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BURNING NEED TO RESPOND TO THAT, I'LL ASK FOR OTHER QUESTIONS SO WE CAN GET IN AS MANY AS WE CAN. IF THERE ARE OTHERS. YES. SGL>> DAVID GREENBURG,...
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| 01:43:40 |
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RICK. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE McCARTHY THING, ACTUALLY. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE FALSE BALANCE THAT McCARTHY EXPLOITED AND THE FALSE BALANCE...
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| 01:43:44 |
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AVOIDING THE POLITICAL ACTION. IT ESTIMATES THE U.S. IS 60% COMMUNIST CONTROLLED. OTHER TIMES, THE AMERICANISTS AS THEY CALL THEMSELVES ATDMITS IT'S...
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| 01:46:35 |
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CARES WHAT "TIME" THINKS ABOUT GLENN BECK. THEY CARED IN 1961. OTHER PEOPLE WERE EXPOSING BACK MOSTLY WEB SITES, CERTAINLY. JUST A VERY SHORT ANECDOTE...
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| 01:47:58 |
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QUESTIONS? YES. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS
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| 01:48:01 |
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REFRESHING TO HEAR A CONVERSATION ABOUT JOURNALISM THAT USED WORDS LIKE BALANCE AND AUTHORITY AND CONSENSUS. BUT NONE OF YOU USED THE "F" WORD. BY...
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| 01:48:39 |
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IT INTO A QUESTION ABOUT THE "M" WORD AND ASK ALAN. IS RUPERT MURDOCH OUR MUSE? >> I DON'T
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| 01:48:59 |
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THINK SO. I THINK THEY HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES IN THEY BOTH HAD A BIG EMPIRE. RUPERT MURDOCH'S EMPIRE WAS LARGER THAN LUCE'S EVER WAS. I DON'T THINK MURDOCK,...
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| 01:49:53 |
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ALES IN THIS AND SEE IF ANYONE ON THE PANEL WANTS TO TAKE UP THE QUESTION. >> I WANT TO STEAL A MARCH ON
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| 01:50:02 |
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MY FRIEND MIKE OVER THERE. MY "M" WORD IS McCORMICK. IN THE TOWER OF THE TRIBUNE TOWER. THIS GENTLEMAN, ROBERT McCORMICK. HE WAS THE PUBLISHER OF THE...
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| 01:51:12 |
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THE LAST QUICK QUESTION IN THE BACK. YES, SIR. >> GARY
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| 01:51:26 |
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GURSTOLH. I THINK THIS IS FOR JACKSON AND MICHAEL. MAYBE FOR RICK AND ALAN, TOO. BOTH OF YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME EVERY WEEK EDITING A SMALL JOURNAL....
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| 01:52:29 |
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ORDER. EACH HAS A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES. >> I'LL STOP THERE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT
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| 01:52:39 |
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SET UP. I ACTUALLY DID HAVE A FEW NOTES WRITTEN ABOUT THE MARGINS AND WHERE THE MARGINS ARE THESE DAYS. GIVEN THE DIFFUSE PERVASE OF THE INTERNET. IT...
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| 01:55:57 |
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TO SAY, I WANT MICHAEL TO HAVE A CHANCE. >> I WANT ALAN
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| 01:56:02 |
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TO HAVE THE LAST WORD. HE SHOULD HAVE A LAST WORD HERE. FIRST OF ALL, I'M CO-EDITOR OF "DISSENT" WITH GREAT POLITICAL ACTIVISTS. I DON'T GET OUT OF...
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| 01:59:18 |
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GREAT. THANK YOU. I WILL GIVE ALAN THE LAST WORD AND YOU CAN EITHER ANSWER THIS QUESTION OR NOT AS YOU CHOOSE. AT A CERTAIN POINT IN THE BOOK, YOU...
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| 01:59:48 |
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A VISION OF JUSTIFYING JOURNALISM IN HIS TIME BY THINKING OF HIS OWN COMPANY. I THINK IF WE THINK ABOUT TODAY, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY ONE PERSON...
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| 02:01:54 |
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ABOUT CONSENSUS TODAY. PLEASE JOIN ME IN EXPRESSING CONSENSUS OF APPRECIATION TO ALAN AND OUR PANELISTS. [ APPLAUSE ] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>>...
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