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EVERYBODY. >> GOOD
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AFTERNOON. >> NICE TO BE HERE WITH
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YOU. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS NOT THE WAY WE ORDINARILY DO CLASS. WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE A FILM CREW FROM C-SPAN 3 HERE. WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE THEM HERE...
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| 00:02:25 |
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ALBANY THING, ALL THE FAILURES THAT HAPPENED AND THE ALBANY THING AND THEN BIRMINGHAM -- >> MAY I INTERRUPT
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YOU? WHAT FAILURES. WE DON'T THINK OF HIM AS FAILURE BY AND LARGE. WE STUDY HIM BECAUSE HE WAS A GREAT SUCCESS. WHAT DOOUM YOU MEAN BY THAT? >> THE...
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TO WEREN'T WORKING OUT WELL. THEN WHEN HE WENT TO ALBANY, IT WAS ONE OF THE WORST FAILURES. THERE WERE A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS WHY IT HAPPENED. THEY...
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| 00:03:06 |
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THE THEY? >>
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SBOC. >> SOUTHERN BAPTIST
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CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATION. HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED IN ALBANY? MARRIS, TAKE A STAB AT THAT. TOREY CALLED IT A FAILURE. >> IT WAS A
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| 00:03:26 |
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FAILURE. THEY DID NOT MANAGE TO CAUSE CONFLICT. >> YOU MEAN THE
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| 00:03:31 |
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CIVIL RIGHTS PEOPLE? THE CIVIL RIGHTS MARCHERS AND ACTIVISTS WERE LOOKING TO CAUSE A CONFLICT BUT COULDN'T DO IT? >>
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| 00:03:39 |
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YEAH. >> WHY
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NOT? >> BECAUSE THEY
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| 00:03:41 |
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WERE JUST ARRESTED. THE POLICE DID NOT RESPOND IN A VIOLENT MANNER, THEY ARRESTED THEM AND RELEASED THEM THE NEXT DAY. >> ANYBODY ELSE ON
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| 00:03:54 |
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ALBANY? HEATHER? >> THE GROUPS
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DIDN'T WORK TOGETHER. THEY WERE COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER. >> ISN'T THAT
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WEIRD. THEY HAD EXACTLY THE SAME GOAL, RIGHT? IN A REAL HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT AND HERE THEY ARE COMPETING WITH EACH OTHER. WHY WERE THEY COMPETING WITH...
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| 00:04:18 |
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WHO -- THEY BASICALLY HATED EACH OTHER. >> THEY HATED EACH
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OTHER? ISN'T THAT STRONG? WHAT DO OTHER PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THAT? >> THERE'S A LOT
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| 00:04:27 |
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OF TENSION BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS. THEY COMPETED FOR THE MOST ATTENTION. >> THEY COMPETED FOR
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| 00:04:33 |
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ATTENTION. WHAT WAS -- WHAT'S GOING ON? >> THE MAIN REASON WHY THEY
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| 00:04:41 |
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WERE SO INCOMPETENT, THEY BOTH HAD THE DEMANDS. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY
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| 00:04:49 |
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DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEMANDS? THEY WEREN'T FOCUSED, RIGHT? >> ONE SPECIFIC THING
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| 00:05:02 |
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THAT WAS BEING DONE. IT WAS BEING TOO LENIENT IN THEIR DEMANDS AND WAS ONLY GONNA COMPROMISE WITH WHAT THEY WERE GIVEN. >> SO YOU REALLY SAID
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| 00:05:18 |
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THAT BEAUTIFULLY. HE WANTED TO GET RID OF THE STRUCTURE OF SEGREGATION AND ALBANY HADN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO IT. SCLC WAS MADE UP OF OLDER PEOPLE...
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MORE ORGANIZED. >> THEY WERE A LOT
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MORE ORGANIZED. WHAT DID THEY CALL IT? WHAT DID THE GUY ON THE GROUND IN BIRMINGHAM CALL IT? PROJECT C. THAT WAS C FOR WHAT? C FOR CONFRONTATION....
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| 00:09:05 |
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PERSPECTIVE. >> DID YOU HAVE A
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| 00:09:08 |
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DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON MARTIN LUTHER KING BEFORE YOU GOT INTO THE COURSE AND THIS SECTION OF IT? YOU THOUGHT HE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE TROUBLE. REALLY?...
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| 00:09:22 |
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EXPECTED -- >> HE EXPECTED
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| 00:09:24 |
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AN UPROAR TO FORCE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO INTERVENE. THAT'S AN AMAZING THING, RIGHT? HERE HE IS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN PREACHER IN THE DEEP...
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| 00:10:08 |
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OF THINKING AND WE TEND TO THINK OF IT, WE TEND TO THINK OF IT AS MALCOLM X AS ONE OF THE MOST MILITANT BLACK LEADERS OF THAT TIME. SO, VIEWING WITH...
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| 00:10:34 |
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WHICH AMERICAN CULTURE THINKS OF MALCOLM X AND PLNLGMARTIN LUTHER KING. HE'S A MARTYR, BY THE WAY. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. EXACTLY. SO THAT MAKES...
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| 00:11:03 |
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MASCULINE. >> TALL, MASCULINE,
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| 00:11:05 |
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THIN, TOO, RIGHT? REALLY THIN. MARTIN LUTHER KING, HE'S SHORT AND CHUBBY. HE'S GOT FULL CHEEKS. APPEARS TO HAVE SOFT SKIN. HE'S SHORTER THAN MOST OF...
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| 00:11:52 |
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AN UNCLE TOM AND HIS FOLLOWERS AND HE CONSTANTLY PREACHED BLACK MILITANTS. >>
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| 00:12:04 |
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EXACTLY. HE HAD THE MANTLE OF BEING THE REAL MILITANT AND THEY WERE THE UNCLE TOMS, THE FOLKS THAT WOULD GIVE AWAY THE STORE. HOLD THAT WHEN WE GET...
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| 00:12:47 |
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CHEEK. >> TURN THE
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OTHER CHEEK AND LET SOMEONE SMACK YOU. THAT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD. IT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD AT ALL. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE DISCIPLINE. IT'S EXTRAORDINARY....
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| 00:13:20 |
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BACKFIRING. THE CHIEF THERE TOOK -- HE USED WHAT HAPPENED IN ALBANY FROM THE POLICE CHIEF AND HE DECIDED TO DO THE SAME THING. HE PUT THEM IN JAIL...
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| 00:13:37 |
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USE OVERT VIOLENCE AT ALL. WHAT'S MOST AMAZING, YOU ARE SAYING NOW, SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR AUDIENCE WHO TEND TO BE MY NAME KNOW THE NAME OF THE POLICE...
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| 00:14:05 |
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CONNOR. >> BULL
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| 00:14:06 |
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CONNOR. THAT'S RIGHT. HE LOVED THAT NICKNAME. UNDERSTANDABLE. IT'S A HARD HANDLE TO GO AROUND WITH. THIS IS A GUY WHO HAD BEEN POLICE CHIEF RUNNING...
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| 00:15:19 |
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MONEY? >> YES, THE MOVEMENT
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| 00:15:20 |
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WAS RUNNING OUT OF MONEY BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE IN JAIL THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BAIL THEM OUT. THIS WAS REALLY SERIOUS. SO THINGS...
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| 00:16:28 |
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LIKE DEGREE BOMBED BY THE KKK. >> IT WAS
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| 00:16:31 |
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KNOWN FOR BOMBING BLACK PEOPLE. THE KKK HAD A FREE HAND AT BOMBING BLACK PEOPLE. WHEN WE STUDIED THE FREEDOM RIDERS, THE BIRMINGHAM POLICE PULLED BACK...
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| 00:18:04 |
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JOB. >> YOU LOSE YOUR
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| 00:18:07 |
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JOB. ABSOLUTELY. MAYBE NOT JUST YOU. MAYBE YOUR AUNT, YOUR UNCLE, YOUR BROTHER OR SISTER OR YOUR KIDS. TO BE WILLING TO MARCH FOR CIVIL RIGHTS IN...
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| 00:19:22 |
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SAY
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IT. >> YOU HAVE HEARD IT BEFORE. YOU COULDN'T HAVE A KNEEL IN. YOU COULDN'T HAVE A PRAY IN. YOU COULDN'T HAVE A SIT IN. YOU COULDN'T DO ANYTHING. SO,...
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| 00:21:21 |
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THE MEDIA WOULD LEAVE BECAUSE THEY NEEDED SOMETHING BIG. HIM GOING TO JAIL WOULD BE THE BEST THING FOR THEM. >> THAT WOULD BE THE
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| 00:21:29 |
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BEST THING. PLUS, PLUS, IF HE DIDN'T GO TO JAIL, IT'S LIKE HIM NOT GOING ON THE FREEDOM RIGHT, NOT GETTING KICKED AND BEATEN THE WAY THE STUDENTS DID....
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| 00:23:23 |
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WHAT HE USUALLY WEARS. >> WHAT DID IT MEAN
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| 00:23:26 |
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THAT HE WAS WEARING THOSE CLOTHES? HE WAS GOING TO JAIL. THEY WERE GOING TO JAIL CLOTHES. THEY WERE NOT FUND RAISING CLOTHES. THOSE WERE GOING TO JAIL...
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| 00:25:25 |
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WAS READING AND I WAS SHOCKED AT THE KIND OF RELIGIOUS PARALLELS BETWEEN KING AND WHAT'S IN THE BIBLE. WITH HIM GOING, KIND OF GOING TO JAIL, YOU COULD...
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| 00:25:54 |
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ENTIRE STORY SO TREMENDOUSLY MOVING. IT'S EXACTLY THAT. IT'S EXACTLY THAT. BECAUSE HE WAS ARRESTED, AND THEY DIDN'T JUST PUT HIM IN JAIL, THEY PUT...
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| 00:28:14 |
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FROM? HARRY GAVE THEM -- >> $50,000. >> $50,000. THAT WAS BIG MONEY IN THOSE DAYS. 50,000 BUCKS IN 1963, IT'S AT LEAST A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS. IT'S...
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| 00:29:15 |
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THE MARCH OF THE CHILDREN? HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT? >> ADULTS HAD A LOT TO
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| 00:29:21 |
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LOSE MARCHING. THEY COULD LOSE THEIR JOBS. MORE RESPONSIBILITIES THAN THE CHILDREN DID SO THEY DECIDED TO GET THE CHILDREN THERE. IF THEY GOT ARRESTED,...
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| 00:29:32 |
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WHAT WOULD THEY MISS IF THEY GOT ARRESTED? >>
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| 00:29:35 |
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SCHOOL. >> COME
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| 00:29:36 |
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ON. HOW MANY KIDS ARE UPSET AT MISSING SCHOOL. >> ALSO IT SPARKED A
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| 00:29:41 |
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REACTION FROM PEOPLE. IF THE POLICE DECIDED TO USE VIOLENCE, IT WOULD LOOK WORSE ON TV FOR EVERYONE. >> IT TURNED OUT THAT
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| 00:29:50 |
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THE POLICE, THEY HELD OFF FOR A LITTLE WHILE. BUT, EVENTUALLY, THEY PACKED THE JAILS SO MUCH AND THEY GOT UNDER BULL CONNOR'S SKIN AND PUSHED HIM SO...
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| 00:30:22 |
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THE IDEA OF THE RADICAL AND THE MILITANTS. MALCOLM X WAS DISAGREEING WITH THAT ALONG WITH THE PRESIDENT. >>
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| 00:30:32 |
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RIGHT? >> THE CHILDREN ARE TOO YOUNG
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| 00:30:34 |
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TO PARTICIPATE. >> THE CHILDREN WERE TOO
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| 00:30:37 |
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YOUNG. A MAN DOESN'T MAKE CHILDREN DO HIS WORK FOR HIM, RIGHT? A REAL MAN DOESN'T HAVE CHILDREN GO OUT IN FRONT OF HIM, YEAH, KATIE. >> MARTIN LUTHER...
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| 00:30:49 |
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IF THE CHILDREN CAN ACCEPT GOD AND DECIDE THEIR FAITH, THEN THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH TO STAND-UP. >> KING
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| 00:30:57 |
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HAD TO BE TALKED INTO IT. THAT WAS HIS LIEUTENANT JAMES BEVEL. BEVEL WAS THIS ALWAYS SLIGHTLY NUTTY WAY OUT THERE REALLY BRILLIANT THEORIST OF NONVIOLENCE....
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| 00:31:49 |
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GETTING THE EXPOSE SURE TO HELP THE CAUSE. THEY NEEDED PEOPLE TO BE
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| 00:31:54 |
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INTERESTED. >> WHY? WHY DO YOU THINK THEY NEEDED THAT? >> THEY NEEDED PEOPLE
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| 00:31:58 |
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TO REALIZE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE SOUTH AND THE IMPACT OF SEGREGATION. >> THEY NEEDED PEOPLE WHERE
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| 00:32:04 |
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TO REALIZE THAT? >> ALL OVER THE
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| 00:32:06 |
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COUNTRY. >> ALL OVER THE
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| 00:32:08 |
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COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTH WHERE IT WAS REALLY EASY TO IGNORE. YEAH. >> ALL OVER THE WORLD BECAUSE
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| 00:32:16 |
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OF HOW THE OTHER COUNTRIES WERE GETTING LIBERATED. >> ALL THE COUNTRIES
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| 00:32:21 |
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IN AFRICA AND ASIA THAT WERE BECOMING INDEPENDENT. >> THEY
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| 00:32:26 |
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WERE LOOKING AT THE U.S. TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON. >> SO, THEY WERE WILLING TO
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| 00:32:32 |
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PLAY TO THE WORLD THE USE WORLD PUBLIC OPINION, THE PUBLIC OPINION OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD AS WELL AS IN THE UNITED STATES AS ADDITIONAL PRESSURE...
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| 00:32:52 |
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WAS RELUCTANT AND DIDN'T WANT THESE THINGS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF HOW EVERYONE IN THE WORLD WOULD VIEW US. >>
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| 00:32:59 |
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YEAH. HE DIDN'T WANT THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS DOING WHAT THEY WERE DOING ANYWAY. HE TRIED TO TALK THEM OUT OF THE FREEDOM RIGHTS BECAUSE HE WAS GOING...
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| 00:37:32 |
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THAT ATTACKED KING. EVERYBODY WAS OPPOSING HIM AT THAT TIME. IT WASN'T JUST PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH OR JUST A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE. EVERYONE WAS...
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| 00:37:48 |
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ABOUT THESE EIGHT CLERGYMEN? >>
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| 00:37:51 |
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THEY WERE WHITE. >> THEY WERE ALL
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| 00:37:54 |
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WHITE. >> SEEMED
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| 00:37:55 |
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LIKE THEY HAD -- >> THEY DID HAVE
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| 00:37:58 |
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A LOT OF CREDENTIALS AND THEY WERE KNOWN AS RACIAL MODERATES. THEY WERE NOT THE FIRE BREATHING KU KLUX KLANNERS AT ALL. THEY WERE RATIONAL MODERATES....
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| 00:41:58 |
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HIGHLIGHTED THAT HE SAID IN HIS LETTER, HE SAID THAT NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND SEGREGATION AND GOING THROUGH IT UNLESS THEY FELT THE STING OF...
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| 00:42:24 |
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PUT. WHERE IS THAT LINE ABOUT UNDULY -- IT'S A GREAT LINE, ACTUALLY. IN THE SECOND -- WHERE IS THAT LINE? THOSE THAT HAVE NOT FELT UNDULY THE STING...
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| 00:43:46 |
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LIKE YOU DID, THE TIMING ISSUE. EVERYONE SEEMED TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE TIMING. >> EVERYONE HAD A PROBLEM
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| 00:43:52 |
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WITH THE TIMING, RIGHT? WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TAKE OUR TIME, RIGHT? WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE OUR TIME. I WANT TO SHOW YOU ONE LAST THING HERE BEFORE WE...
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| 00:44:24 |
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ON HOW CALM THEY HAVE BEEN TO THIS ENTIRE THING. >> HOW
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| 00:44:28 |
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CALM THEY HAD BEEN HAD THEY ENFORCED THE LAWS OF SEGREGATION. YES. >> THE THING THAT STRIKES ME,
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| 00:44:35 |
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IT SAYS AND CONTINUE TO PROTECT OUR CITY BUT THESE WERE NONVIOLENT, LIKE, PROTEST MOVEMENTS SO PROTECTING THE CITY FROM VIOLENCE IS FROM THE LAW, THEY...
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| 00:44:52 |
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THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WERE VIOLENT, EXACTLY. AND I THINK WE MAY WANT TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER, WHICH KING DOES IN THE LETTER. THERE IS A VIOLENCE IN THE...
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| 00:46:10 |
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POLITE. IF THAT WAS ME RESPONDING TO PEOPLE ATTACKING WHAT I WAS DOING, I WOULD HAVE BEEN ENRAGED. I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AS POLITE AS HE WAS. >> IT'S...
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| 00:46:22 |
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POLITE, RIGHT? DO YOU THINK HE'S REALLY POLITE? WHAT DO YOU THINK? I THINK YOU FEEL LEAST LIKE MARTIN LUTHER KING SPEAKS FOR YOU IN CERTAIN WAYS? >>...
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| 00:46:35 |
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NO. >> TELL
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| 00:46:36 |
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ME, DO YOU THINK HE'S POLITE IN HERE? >> I DO THINK HE'S
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| 00:46:40 |
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POLITE. HE'S CALM AND ORGANIZED. HOW HE STATES HIS POINT. >> HE IS CALM AND
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| 00:46:46 |
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SUPER ORGANIZED. DOES EVERYBODY THINK HE'S POLITE? HEATHER? >> I THINK HE'S TRYING TO
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| 00:46:54 |
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BE UNDERSTANDING. >> YOU THINK HE'S
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| 00:46:56 |
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GOING TO STEP TOWARD THEM TO UNDERSTAND THEM? >>
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| 00:47:00 |
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YEAH. YES. KATIE. >> I THINK THERE'S AN
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| 00:47:04 |
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UNDERTONE OF I DON'T KNOW IF SARCASM IS THE RIGHT WORD. I DON'T THINK HIS INTENTIONS ARE TO BE UNDERSTANDING AND TRYING TO -- >> WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT
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| 00:47:13 |
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IN THE TONE, KATIE? >> WELL, WHEN WE
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| 00:47:17 |
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TALKS ABOUT WAITING AND HE GOES AND GIVES A LONG SENTENCE. >> WE'LL GET TO THAT
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| 00:47:24 |
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SENTENCE. YEAH. HE'S PRETTY WORKED UP BY THE TIME HE GETS TO THAT SENTENCE. ANYBODY ELSE FEEL ANYTHING IN THE TONE? YOU HAD IT FIRST. >> I DISAGREE
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| 00:47:36 |
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WITH KATIE. LIKE WHAT HE'S SAYING ABOUT SARCASM. HE HAS A VERY POLITICALLY CORRECT VOICE. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY
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| 00:47:45 |
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CORRECT? >> HE'S NOT SAYING THESE
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| 00:47:47 |
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PEOPLE AND ACCUSING, LIKE JUST GOING OFF WHAT YOU SAID. HE'S LIKE HE HAS AN UNDERLYING TONE. >>
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| 00:47:57 |
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OF? >> VERY
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| 00:47:59 |
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CALM. >>
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| 00:48:00 |
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VERY COME. >> AND
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| 00:48:01 |
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COLLECTED. >> AND
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| 00:48:02 |
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COLLECTED. >> HE'S TRYING
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| 00:48:05 |
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TO UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE AND HE'S TRYING TO BE UNDERSTOOD. HE'S APPROACHING IT IN A WAY TO BE ACCEPTED. IF SOMEONE ATTACKS YOU, THE RESPONSE IS TO ATTACK...
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| 00:48:22 |
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PERSON WROTE A WHOLE BOOK ABOUT A LETTER AND THE RESPONSE TO THE LETTER. THE GUYS HE WROTE TO. ALMOST ALL OF THEM WERE DEVASTATED BY THE LETTER....
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| 00:49:07 |
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WHERE -- THERE'S A LOT OF IMPEACHMENTS WITH IT. I FEEL LIKE HE OBVIOUSLY WAS TRYING TO SAY THEY HAVE HAD PATIENCE FOR SO LONG AND TRIED TO BE NONVIOLENT....
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| 00:49:29 |
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ON TO SOMETHING. I WANT TO PUT OUT A POSSIBILITY. I KNOW HE WAS STUNG. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS IN THE BIOGRAPHY. BECAUSE THEY WERE CRITICIZING HIM ON RELIGIOUS...
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| 00:50:37 |
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HE HAD ANY OTHER OPTION AT THE TIME HE WAS VERY UNPOPULAR AND PEOPLE LABELED HIM AS AN EXTREMIST. FOR HIM TO UNLEASH HIS RAGE WOULD PLAY INTO THEIR...
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| 00:50:47 |
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PLAY INTO THEIR POINT. YOU CAN'T DO IT. ABSOLUTELY CAN'T DO IT. I THINK HE FELT, I FEEL AND I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THIS AND YOU ARE WELCOME TO DISAGREE...
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| 00:51:34 |
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THE WAITING, IT WASN'T JUST THEM, IT WAS -- I MEAN EVEN HIS OWN DAD WAS LIKE -- >> THAT'S
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| 00:51:43 |
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RIGHT. >> YOU HAVE TO
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| 00:51:44 |
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WAIT. WHEN YOU HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE TELLING YOU THIS, IT'S GOING TO COME OUT. I THINK A LOT OF THINGS HE DIRECTED TOWARD THEM WERE ALSO INDIRECTLY DIRECTED...
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| 00:52:02 |
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GLAD YOU REMEMBERED THAT AND BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE IT'S TRUE. IN THE MOTEL ROOM WHEN HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO MARCH, REMEMBER HE TRIED TO GET HIM TO LEAVE...
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| 00:54:26 |
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SOMETHING. WHAT ABOUT WHEN KING TALKS ABOUT THE TWO OPPOSING FORCES IN THE NEGRO COMMUNITY? >> THAT'S GREAT,
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| 00:54:37 |
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CASEY, WHERE IS THAT IN THE LETTER HERE? >> SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE,
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| 00:54:42 |
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I BELIEVE. SAW THIS THE IN THE VIDEO, AND TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE IN THE BEGINNING. THERE WAS ALMOST A SLIGHT DIVIDE GOING ON. IN THE COMMUNITY THAT'S...
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| 00:55:06 |
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THAT? >> WHO IS HE REFERRING
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| 00:55:10 |
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TO? >>
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| 00:55:12 |
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MALCOLM X. >> WHAT ABOUT THE UPPER --
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| 00:55:16 |
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THE WEALTHIER BLACK PEOPLE -- >> HERE'S THE PARAGRAPH,
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| 00:55:24 |
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RIGHT? >>
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| 00:55:25 |
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OOPS. >> THERE'S A LOT OF
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| 00:55:27 |
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THINGS GOING ON. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES. WHAT IS HE REFERRING TO? WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT, THESE RIFFS THAT ARE COMING ON BECAUSE THEY...
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| 00:55:46 |
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SOME OF THE UPPER CLASS BLACK PEOPLE WERE OKAY TO HELP THEIR BUSINESS ALONG AS LONG AS THEIR BUSINESS BECAUSE GETTING ALONG, THEY COULD STILL MAKE MONEY...
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| 00:56:09 |
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WILLING TO BE UPFRONT AND SPEAK TO HIS OWN COMMUNITY AS WELL AS TO SPEAK TO THE WHITE CLERGY PEOPLE. SO HE'S BETWEEN THESE TWO -- AND THIS COMES IN...
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| 00:56:57 |
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PEOPLE CAN ONLY SHOP AT YOUR STORE THEN OF COURSE YOU'LL MAKE MORE MONEY THAN IF THEY HAD MORE OPTIONS. >>
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| 00:57:04 |
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EXACTLY. THERE ARE AFRICAN-AMERICAN BEAUTY SALONS AND BARBER SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS, FUNERAL PARLORS, CHURCHES. I MEAN IF CHURCHES ARE ALL INTEGRATED...
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| 00:59:39 |
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THIS, THE IDEA THAT MANY OF THE WEALTHIER BLACK CITIZENS CONSIDER THE MEMBERS OF THE MOVEMENT TO BE JUST MAKING TROUBLE. DO YOU REMEMBER
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| 00:59:52 |
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THAT? >> GO AHEAD. GOOD QUESTION, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? >> WHAT DID THEY
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| 00:59:58 |
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MEAN? THEIR OWN PEOPLE THE SAME RIGHTS THEY WOULD BOTH NEED BUT THE WEALTHIER PEOPLE WITH THE SAME -- YOU WOULD THINK THE SAME PROBLEMS BUT THEY ARE...
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| 01:00:18 |
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THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THE MORE WEALTHIER PEOPLE PROBABLY FELT THAT BIRMINGHAM SINCE THEY WRNLT ACCOMPLISHING THE GOAL THAT WASN'T ACTUALLY ACHIEVING...
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| 01:00:50 |
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IDEA, I LOVE THIS. SO THEY HADN'T SUCCEEDED YET, RIGHT? IF YOU DON'T SUCCEED AND YOU COME AND HAVE DEMONSTRATIONS, YOU'RE A TROUBLEMAKER, RIGHT?...
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| 01:01:43 |
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THIS IS WHAT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ONCE BEFORE. WHAT'S THE DEAL HERE? >> SO JUST REITERATE, SUCCESS
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| 01:01:50 |
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IS EXPOSED OF FAILURE AS WELL AS ACHIEVEMENTS. I'M STILL -- >> SAY
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| 01:01:56 |
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THAT AGAIN. >> SUCCESS IS COMPOSED
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| 01:01:59 |
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OF FAILURES AS WELL AS ACHIEVEMENTS. I MEAN JUST GOING THROUGH OUT AND THERE ARE A LOT OF FAILURES AND THEN THE BIRMINGHAM -- THEY WOULDN'T HAVE...
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| 01:02:22 |
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RIGHT. SO FAILURE HERE IS A PIECE OF WHAT CONSTITUTES SUCCESS EVENTUALLY. >> AND BY THE
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WAY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STUDENTS GET TO LEARN TOO. IT'S SOMEONE THAT ANYONE WHO LEARNS HOW TO DO ANYTHING. YOU HAVE SOME MUSICIANS HERE. WE HAVE...
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| 01:03:08 |
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THE MIDDLE CLASS BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSING THE MOVEMENT AND THE NONVIOLENT TACTICS THAT CAUSED THE UPROAR, THEY DIDN'T SEE A SUCCESS. ALL THEY SAW...
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| 01:03:24 |
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HARD. THEY ARE GOING TO SEE THE TROUBLE THAT THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH, RIGHT? >> AND LABEL
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| 01:03:28 |
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THE PEOPLE PART OF THE MOVEMENT AS TROUBLE MAKERS BECAUSE THEY SEE THE FAILURE ONLY AND THEN WHAT SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER JUST UPROAR. >>
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| 01:03:38 |
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KATIE? >> THE ONLY
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| 01:03:39 |
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PEOPLE CALLING IT A FAILURE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY GOING THROUGH AS MUCH AS A STRUGGLE AS PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE THE MOVEMENT. THE...
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| 01:04:13 |
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RIS. >> I DISAGREE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN AT THAT TIME, YOU WOULD FEEL THE AFTERMATH OF A FAILURE OF A CERTAIN MOVEMENT A LOT MORE THAN...
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| 01:05:08 |
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HOW TO HAVE A JUST SOCIETY PEOPLE HAVE TO GIVE THEIR EXECUTIVE LAWS AND THEIR OWN PERSONAL GAINS FOR OTHERS SO THAT EQUALITY CAN HAPPEN. SO EVEN THOUGH...
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| 01:05:46 |
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RIGHT. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF MARTIN LUTHER KING FAILS IN BIRMINGHAM? I MEAN, THE COURSE OF HISTORY MIGHT REALLY HAVE CHANGED BECAUSE IT WAS THE SUCCESS...
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| 01:06:14 |
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IN BIRMINGHAM THAT LED TO THE GREAT MARCH ON WASHINGTON IN AUGUST OF 1963 ALSO. WOULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED IF BIRMINGHAM HAD BEEN A FAILURE? HUH HUH....
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| 01:07:11 |
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HAVE -- YOU FOLKS HAVE GOT THE POSITIONS THERE. THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT MIGHT NOT HAVE FLOPPED BUT MARTIN LUTHER KING COULD HAVE. YOU SEE, HISTORY,...
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| 01:08:53 |
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ANOTHER PARAGRAPH THAT I WANT TO GET TO IN HERE. WE'RE GOING TO GO A LITTLE LONGER. TO ME THIS IS ONE OF THE REAL KEYS OF THIS LETTER. I KNOW THAT WE...
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| 01:15:06 |
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SURVEILLANCE ON KING'S FAMILY DURING THIS TIME OR WAS THAT AFTERWARDS? >> THERE WAS
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| 01:15:11 |
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PLENTY OF GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE ON KING, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS SURVEILLANCE ON CORETTA, IF THERE WAS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. BUT YES, HIS HOTEL...
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| 01:16:28 |
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YEAR AND A HALF AGO MY WIFE AND I DECIDED SHE HAD A MEETING IN ATLANTA RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR SPRING BREAK. I SAID WE COULDN'T GO FAR AWAY SO...
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| 01:17:36 |
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TO READ THIS. THE MOST AMAZING THING TO ME ABOUT BIRMINGHAM TODAY IS THE WAY IT HAS EMBRACED ITS CIVIL RIGHTS HISTORY. SO ALL OVER THE CITY THERE ARE...
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| 01:18:12 |
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VAN. DAVID VAN. VANN. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT YOU CAN'T SEE, BUT IF YOU LOOK REALLY CLOSELY, THIS IS DAVID VANN, BIRMINGHAM MAYOR, 1975 TO 1979. HE LATER...
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.