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EVERYBODY. I WANT TO START BY CONGRATULATE ING SALLY ON THE OTHER BARACK, AND I'LL START OFF BY ASKING WHAT LED YOU TO THE PROJECT? >> I'M A REPORTER...
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| 00:00:21 |
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THE "WASHINGTON GLOBE," ANTETHE TIME THE ELECTION WAS BEGINNING, WE LOOKED AT THE CAST OF CHARACTER, AND THERE WAS NOT MUCH KNOWN ABOUT OBAMA SENIOR,...
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| 00:00:54 |
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BOOK, THE BOLD AND RECKLESS LIFE THE PRESIDENT OBAMA'S FATHER, IT'S VERY TELLING. YOU SEE THE PHOTO, AND YOU SEE HE'S BOLD AND WRECKLESS. TALK ABOUT...
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| 00:01:13 |
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AND CERTAINLY WAS WRECKLESS TO DESCRIBE THAT TO RUN THROUGH ENTIRE NARRATIVE OF THE BOOK, BUT IN TERMS OF HIS CHARACTER, OBAMA WAS A BOLD PERSON FROM...
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| 00:05:00 |
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ARROGANT, DEFIANT, AND HE WAS -- IS THAT FAIR TO SAY BECAUSE OF THE CHARACTERISTICS 245 MARK HIS PERSONALITY? >> YES, HE WAS
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| 00:05:09 |
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DEFIANT. AS A BIOGRAPHER, IT WAS MY PURPOSE TO UNDERSTAND WHO HE WAS, GO DEEPER THAN THE FOUR SHOTS OF WISKY, THE WOMANIZING. I FEEL HE WAS WOUNDED...
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| 00:07:36 |
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WAS GROUNDED IN INSECURITY THAT COMES FROM A FORMATIVE EXPERIENCE. >>
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EXACTLY. ALWAYS TRYING TO COMPENSATE FOR NOT FEELING SURE OF HIMSELF. >> YOU USED ARMED
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| 00:07:50 |
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CHAIR PSYCHIATRIST, YOU MIGHT DERIVE THE CONCLUSION THAT HE'S A NARCISSIST. DO YOU FEEL HE HAD THE QUALITIES OF A NARCISSIST PENALTY? >> YES
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| 00:08:11 |
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AND NO. HE HAD A SERIES OF JOBS, LOST SEVERAL OF THEM, AND THEN HAD ONE FOR FIVE YEARS. HE PRETENDED TO BE BETTER THAN HIS BOSS WHO HAD BEEN TRAINED...
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| 00:09:00 |
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A NEGATIVE PORTRAIT OF THIS MAN, BUT THERE WERE POSITIVE ASPECTS TO HIM. HE WAS SEEMING TO BE VERY ATTRACTIVE TO WOMEN, AND HE ALWAYS HAD A SERIES...
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| 00:09:21 |
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ALL THE WOMEN HE MARRIED FELL IN LOVE WITH HIM. HE WAS SEXY, INTELLIGENT, FUN, AND THERE'S LOTS OF KENYANS NOW, MEN IN THEIR 70S WHO WORKED WITH HIM...
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| 00:11:42 |
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FOUR WIVES, SALLY. GIVE US A BRIEF HISTORY OF HIS MARITAL LIFE. >>
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| 00:11:47 |
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YES. HIS MARITAL LIFE WAS A MYSTERY NOT ONLY TO BIOGRAPHERS AND PEOPLE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HIS LIFE, BUT ALSO TO HIS WIVES WHO NEVER KNEW HOW MANY...
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| 00:14:52 |
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THE MOTHER OF THE 44TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. SHE WAS NAMED STANLEY BY HER FATHER WHO WANTED A BOY AND THEN BECAME ANNE WHEN SHE WENT TO THE...
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| 00:15:10 |
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CLASS, RUSSIAN WAS VERY POPULAR AT THE TIME BECAUSE OF SPUTNIK, VARIOUS THINGS GOING ON. THEY WERE SUBMITTEN WITH EACH OTHER -- SMITTEN WITH EACH OTHER....
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| 00:17:09 |
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HIM? >> I'M NOT AN EXPERT,
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| 00:17:11 |
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BUT FROM WHAT I DO KNOW, SHE HAD A HUNGER FOR WHAT WAS DIFFERENT. SHE BECAME AN ANTHROPOLOGIST, INTERESTED IN THINGS EXOTIC, OTHER, AND HE WAS ALL OF...
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| 00:17:40 |
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BARACK OBAMA, JR. SPENT TWO PERIODS WITH HIS FATHER. ONE TEN MONTHS OLD AND THE OTHER AT 10 YEARS OLD, A MONTH APIECE. TALK ABOUT THOSE EXPERIENCES...
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| 00:17:53 |
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SURE. THE FIRST ONE WAS WHEN HE WAS REALLY LITTLE. I THINK HE REMEMBERS NOTHING OF THAT. HE DOESN'T MENTIONS IT. THE VISIT WHEN HE WAS TEN WAS VERY...
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| 00:20:21 |
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GOES TO KENYA REALLY IN SEARCH OF HIS FATHER'S LEGACY IN 1986. WHAT DOES HE DISCOVER ON WHAT IS MORE OR LESS A QUEST OF SORTS? >> I THINK IT WAS A
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HARD JOURNEY FOR HIM. HIS MOTHER HAD DESCRIBED THE MORE POSITIVE SIDE OF HIM WANTING HER BOY TO FEEL HIS FATHER WAS A GOOD MAN, SO SHE TOLD THE POSITIVE...
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| 00:21:25 |
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HALF SIBLINGS THAT OBAMA HAS AROUND THE WORLD THAT CONNECTS HIM TO HIS FATHER IN A SENSE. WHAT ARE HIS RELATIONSHIPS LIKE WITH THE OFFSPRING OF OBAMA...
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| 00:21:43 |
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EIGHT CHILDREN, ONE DIED IN A MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT IN HIS 20S, SO THERE'S SIX LEFT. EIGHT TOTAL, ONE DIED. HE'S NOT PARTICULARLY CLOSE TO ANY OF THEM....
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| 00:23:03 |
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AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. THERE'S A MICROPHONE OVER THERE. WHEN YOU SEE BAM ON TELEVISION, THE 44TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,...
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| 00:23:23 |
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ABSOLUTELY. DESPITE THEIR UNLIKELY LIFESTYLES, THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT MEN. THE. -- THE PRESIDENT'S ABOUT CONTROL AND RESERVE, THE OTHER WAS THE OPPOSITE....
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| 00:24:43 |
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ABOUT THIS CHARACTER, OBAMA SENIOR, AS YOU WORKED ON THE PROJECT? WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH HIS STORY, ANY PARTICULAR ELEMENT THAT SURPRISED YOU ABOUT...
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| 00:24:55 |
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OF NEWS THAT CAME OUT OF THE BOOK I FOUND SURPRISING, AND I WONDER ABOUT IT TO THIS DAY, AND IT'S THE ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE PRESIDENT, AND...
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| 00:26:14 |
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JOURNEY. >> SURE. WE OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS. >>
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| 00:26:21 |
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I'D LIKE TO SAY I THINK THAT'S A VERY -- YOUR BOOK BRINGS A VERY INTERESTING ANGLE INTO HISTORY WHERE HISTORY'S CONCERNED, BACKGROUND, FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT...
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| 00:26:43 |
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YOU, I NEVER PAID MIND TO THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. CLEARLY HE WAS BORN IN HON HONOLULU. LOOK IN THE NEWSPAPERS AND YOU SEE THE RECORD OF HIM BEING BORN...
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| 00:27:12 |
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QUESTIONS? AS YOU CUE UP, THINK ABOUT THIS NOTION, IF I CAN GET YOU TO COME TO THE -- THANK YOU. >> MY FIRST EXPOSURE TO
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| 00:27:25 |
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THE BOOK AND HEARING THIS IT SEEMS SO VERY SAD. I'M SORRY. I FELT A LOT OF SADNESS WHEN I HEARD YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT...
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| 00:27:51 |
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ABOUT THE STORY OR JUST THE JOURNEY -- >> THE LIFE
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| 00:27:55 |
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STOIF -- STORY AND THE PEOPLE INVOLVED. COULD YOU SEPARATE YOURSELF FROM IT OR FOUND YOURSELF DRAWN INTO SOME OF THAT. >> YEAH, I MEAN,
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| 00:28:03 |
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I DEFINITELY GOT DRAWN INTO IT. I SPENT TWO AND A HALF TO THREE YEARS ON THIS PROJECT, AND I GOT TO KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN NAIROBI WHO KNEW OBAMA SENIOR....
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| 00:31:31 |
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NOT NECESSARILY IDENTIFY WITH HIS FATHER AND SOME OF HIS PENALTY COULD BE COMPENSATING FOR HIS WEAKNESS. DOES HE IDENTIFY WITH HIS FATHER'S NATIVE COUNTRY?...
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| 00:31:48 |
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GOOD QUESTION. THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES AND KNOW. OBAMA WANTED TO KNOW WHO HE WAS AND WHERE HIS BLACKNESS CAME FROM. HE'S GONE TO KENYA SEVERAL TIMES....
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| 00:32:49 |
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THE AUDIENCE? PLEASE. >> I WROTE ABOUT THE BOOK ON
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| 00:32:57 |
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THE WEBSITE. >> I CAN'T HEAR
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| 00:32:59 |
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YOU. >> I WROTE ABOUT
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| 00:33:02 |
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YOUR BOOK ON THE WEBSITE, AND I THOUGHT HOW PAINFUL IT MUST HAVE BEEN FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA TO READ THIS. DID YOU EVER CONSIDER WAITING UNTIL HE WAS OUT...
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| 00:33:22 |
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WAIT BECAUSE IF YOU WERE NOT THE PRESIDENT, NO ONE WILL READ THE BOOK. I MEAN, THE REASON THE BOOK IS SIGNIFICANT IS BECAUSE IT'S A PIECE OF HISTORY,...
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| 00:34:11 |
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OTHER QUESTIONS? >> HAVE YOU GOT
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| 00:34:14 |
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ANY RESEARCH ON HOW MANY PRESIDENTS HAVE HAD NORMAL CHILDHOODS WITH NORMAL FAMILIES AND PERHAPS HAVING NOT SO NORMAL FAMILY NIGHT GIVE YOU MORE INCENTIVE...
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| 00:34:28 |
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FIRST QUESTION, OF COURSE, IS WHAT IS NORMAL? I DON'T PRETEND TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT ALSO WOULD BE HARD TO DEFINE. YES, CERTAINLY,...
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| 00:35:31 |
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MENTIONED OBAMA'S GRANDPARENTS, HIS MATERNAL GRANDPARENTS WHO WERE VERY PROMINENT AND IMPORTANT IN HIS LIVES, AND THEY HAD A VERY RESPECTFUL RELATIONSHIP...
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| 00:35:46 |
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SENIOR? >> YEAH. >>
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| 00:35:48 |
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YEAH. I THINK -- I THINK THEY TRIED VERY HARD IN THEIR CULTURE. THIS WAS SORT OF SHOCKING TO THEM. 23 YOU READ THE PRESIDENT'S BOOK, I THINK THEY WERE...
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| 00:36:44 |
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SIR? >> ANYTHING THAT HE HAD
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| 00:36:48 |
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A RIVALRY BECAUSE HE WENT TO HARVARD AND YALE -- DID THAT COME OUT OF ANYTHING. >> I'M SURE OF
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| 00:36:55 |
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THE YALE -- >> HE WOULD HAVE BEEN UPSET
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| 00:36:59 |
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OF HARVARD BECAUSE HIS DAP # DAD WAS NOT -- DAD WAS NOT GRANTED IMMIGRATION STATUS POSSIBLY. HAS THAT COME OUT THAT HE PREFERRED TO GO TO YALE OR WHY...
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| 00:37:14 |
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DAD? >> THEY BOTH WENT TO
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HARVARD. >> NO YALE
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| 00:37:20 |
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CONNECTION? OH, I'M SORRY. >> THEY TALK ABOUT HOW HE
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| 00:37:25 |
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MEANT HIS END. WHAT WERE HIS LAST DAYS LIKE, AND HOW DID HE DIE? >> HE ENDED HIS LAST DAYS IN
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| 00:37:32 |
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A FITTING MANNER FOR OBAMA SENIOR. HE WAS WORKING IN THE TREASURY, AND EVERY DAY HE WOULD GO TO THE BAR, AND A GROUP OF THEM CAME FROM THE TREASURY...
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| 00:38:29 |
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THE REACTION IN THE VILLAGE TO HIS DEATH? >> YOU KNOW, OBAMA WAS
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| 00:38:33 |
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VERY LOVED. HE WAS A CHARACTER AND VERY WELL KNOWN, AND I THINK HE WAS WIDELY MOURNED. THERE WAS NO BAD FEELING ABOUT HIM PARTICULARLY, SO IT WAS A...
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| 00:38:47 |
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BIFF LANCE WITH OBAMA JR. TOWARDS HIS FATHER. WHAT WAS HIS REACTION TO THE DEATH? >> I DON'T KNOW A
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| 00:38:53 |
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GREAT DEAL ABOUT THAT. HE MAKES A REFERENCE TO RECEIVING A PHONE CALL FROM KENYA. LIKE ANY SON, HE WAS, OF COURSE, DEEPLY SADDENED BY IT. I THINK HE...
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| 00:39:17 |
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FINAL QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE OUT OF TIME ANYWAY. SALLY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR NOT ONLY THIS DISCUSSION, BUT FOR THIS GREAT REVEALING BOOK ABOUT...
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YOU. [APPLAUSE] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] >> YOU'VE...
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