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00:00:11
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MANY AMERICANS THOUGHT THEY WERE VOTING TO BRING OUR WHOLE -- OUR SONS HOME FROM VIETNAM. SINCE THEN, 20,000 OF OUR SONS HAVE COME HOME IN COFFINS. I...
00:00:48
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A PLOT 30 IN THE MORNING WHEN GEORGE MCGOVERN DELIVERED HIS ACCEPTANCE SPEECH. A FEW MONTHS LATER, HE WOULD LOSE BADLY TO PRESIDENT RICHARD NIXON. TONIGHT,...
00:01:20
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OF THE WHOLE MCGOVERN CAMPAIGN, WHICH WAS IT WAS AN INSURGENT CAMPAIGN RUN AGAINST THE ESTABLISHMENT. WHAT HAPPENED WAS, AS YOU HEARD FROM SENATOR MCGOVERN,...
00:02:45
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TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO THE 1972 CAMPAIGN AND THE CONVENTION. JOINING US HERE FROM OUR STUDIOS IN WASHINGTON IS JULES WITCOVER, A VETERAN POLITICAL REPORTER...
00:03:22
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GAVE THE SPEECH SO LATE BECAUSE FLIGHTS CONTINUED TO GO ON OVER VARIOUS ISSUES ON THE PLATFORM INCLUDING THE WAR IN VIETNAM EVEN THOUGH THE PLATFORM HAD...
00:04:17
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CONVENTION HALL THAT NIGHT, ARE THE PEOPLE WITH HIM? ARE THEY STILL THERE? IT IS 2:30 IN THE MORNING. WHAT THE MCGOVERN DOLLARS AT THE CONVENTION HAD...
00:04:35
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AT THE CONVENTION HAD NEVER BEEN TO A CONVENTION BEFORE. THE SUPPORT WAS INITIATED BY MCGOVERN HIMSELF ON THE COMMISSION. A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE HAD NEVER...
00:05:11
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THE REFORMS THAT LED TO THOSE PEOPLE AT THE CONVENTION. LET'S GO BACK TO THE MCGOVERN MUSEUM IN MITCHELL, SOUTH DAKOTA. WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTRY...
00:05:30
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POLITICAL LEGACY OF GEORGE MCGOVERN CHANGED THE COMPLEXION OF THE MODERN DEMOCRATIC PARTY. BEFORE THE GOVERNOR, THE DEMOCRATS HAD BUILT THE "NEW DEAL...
00:07:53
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ABOUT THAT AS WELL LATER ON. PART OF SENATOR MCGOVERN'S ACCEPTANCE SPEECH ON THAT NIGHT IN 1972 WAS ABOUT REFORMING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. HE ALSO TAKES...
00:08:15
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OUR FURY AND FRUSTRATIONS IN THIS PAST MONTH AND AT THIS CONVENTION. FRANKLY, I WELCOME THE CONTRACT WITH THE EMPTY EVENTS WHICH WILL UNDOUBTEDLY...
00:09:04
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MCGOVERN IN 1972 SAYING "WE LET THE PEOPLE IN." TAKE US BACK TO THE 1968 CONVENTION WHEN HUBERT HUMPHREY GETS THE NOMINATION. DRAW A CLEAR CONNECTION...
00:09:23
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TO 1967. THIS IS WHEN THE ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT IS STARTING TO PICK UP STEAM. IT WAS VERY FRUSTRATING TO PRESIDENT LYNDON JOHNSON. THE CONTINUED TO BELIEVE...
00:12:29
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LIKE AT THE 1968 CONVENTION? IT WAS A MUCH MORE TUMULTUOUS CONVENTION THAN THE 1972 CONVENTION BECAUSE THE PARTY ITSELF WAS SO DIVIDED OVER THE WAR AND...
00:13:53
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HOW HUMPHREY WAS CHOSEN AT THE NOMINEE IN 1968 TO FOUR YEARS LATER THE WAY MCGOVERN IS CHOSEN. >> A LOT OF IT
00:14:05
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HAD TO DO WITH THE FLOOR RULES. IN 1968, THEY WERE SELECTED AS THEY HAD BEEN FOR YEARS BY APPOINTMENT, PARTY BOSSES, OR GOVERNORS. IF YOU WERE A PARTY...
00:15:15
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THE 1968 AND 1972 CONVENTIONS FOR THE LOS ANGELES TIMES. WE ARE UNCOVERING GEORGE MCGOVERN, OUR 13TH CONTENDER IN OUR 14 WEEK SERIES. BACK AT THE MCGOVERN...
00:16:10
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CHAOS, HUMPHREY CLOSED THE GAP ON NIXON IN 1968. IT WAS A VERY CLOSE CAMPAIGN. A LOT OF IRREGULARS SAID THEY HAD COME VERY CLOSE IN 1968. THE INSURGENTS...
00:17:58
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WHAT WERE THE ACTUAL REFORMS? >> THE MESSAGE DIVIDEND
00:18:03
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THING -- THE ENCOURAGED MOST STATES TO USE PRIMARIES INSTEAD OF CAUCUSES. IF YOU DID HAVE A CAUCUS, YOU WERE REQUIRED TO MAKE IT OPEN AND WELL-PUBLICIZED...
00:19:48
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THEY VERY MUCH DO. THEY WERE DERIDED BY CONSERVATIVES AND REPUBLICANS AS A QUOTA SYSTEM DEMOCRATS WERE ADDING THIS QUOTA AS AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PROGRAM....
00:20:51
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THE IMPACT TO DATE -- IS THERE A LONG-TERM IMPACT? WE ARE HEADING INTO THE 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WITH THE IOWA CAUCUS COMING UP SOON. >>
00:21:06
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REFORMS HELP NON ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATES GET A FOOTHOLD. IF YOU HAVE GOOD GROUND AND A LOT OF DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS WILL SHOW UP AT THE CAUCUSES AND...
00:22:03
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GEORGE MCGOVERN'S 1972 CAMPAIGN MANAGER. HERE IS WHAT HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY REFORM EFFORTS. >> A THINK THE HISTORY
00:22:11
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WILL SHOW THAT HE HELPED SAVE THE DEMOCRATIC -- I THINK HISTORY WILL SHOW THAT HE HELPED SAVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY SIMPLY BY CHAIRING THE MCGOVERN REFORM...
00:23:13
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JULES WITCOVER OR? -- JULES WITCOVER? >> MCGOVERN'S
00:23:22
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ROLE WAS A CRITICAL ROLE. I GO BACK TO BEFORE 1968. I CAN REMEMBER IN 1960 WHEN JOHN KENNEDY WAS RUNNING. HE, HIS AIDE, AND SPEECH WRITER WOULD GET ON...
00:24:03
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IT LIKE TO SEE THESE NEW FACES IN 1972 AND GOING FORWARD AT THE CONVENTIONS? >> IT WAS
00:24:09
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VERY EXCITING. THESE PEOPLE WERE INTO IT MORE THAN SOME OF THE ONES WHO HAD BEEN TO 20 PAST 30 CONVENTIONS OVER THEIR LIFETIME. THEY HAVE THEIR HANDS...
00:24:45
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ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE SHORT-TERM IMPACT OF THESE REFORMS. REAL BRIEFLY, IF WE COULD, IN 1972, THE REFORMS THAT HE PUTS IN PLACE -- DO THEY ACTUALLY BENEFIT...
00:25:05
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HELPED HIM GET THE NOMINATION. THE UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE HE CHAIRED THE REFORM COMMISSION -- HE UNDERSTOOD THE NEW PROCESS. I DO NOT THINK WE TRY TO MANIPULATE...
00:26:28
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GEORGE MCGOVERN, THE CONGRESSMAN AND SENATOR FROM SOUTH DAKOTA, AND THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE PARTY PRESIDENT IN 1972. OUR POST -- OUR FIRST CALL IS FROM...
00:26:42
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THE HEAD OF THE MIDDLE EAST POLICY COUNCIL AFTER DECIDING NOT TO RUN FOR THE PRESIDENT AGAIN IN 1992. HE SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL FOR PRESIDENT CLINTON CALLING...
00:27:09
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FARRIS AND JULES WITCOVER ALL ARE HERE SHAKING THEIR HEADS. SCOTT FARRIS, HIS LEGACY? >> THE CERTAINLY
00:27:19
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WAS VERY INTERESTED IN MIDDLE EAST AFFAIRS. HE WAS ALWAYS INTERESTED IN HELPING WITH THE PEACE AGREEMENTS. PRESIDENT CLINTON DID NOT ACCEPT THAT EARLY...
00:27:53
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BE SPEAKING MORE ABOUT MCGOVERN'S POST 72 CONVENTION LIFE, HIS LEGACY, AND EFFORTS ACROSS THE WORLD, SPECIFICALLY ON HUNDRED. FIRST, LET'S HEAR FROM BORDEN...
00:28:08
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AND VOTED FOR MCGOVERN AS A 20-YEAR- OLD. LATER ON, HEARING THE THINGS OF THE NIXON GROUPS AND THEIR DIRTY TRICKS, I SAW A PROGRAM WHERE SOMEONE CLAIMED...
00:28:38
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DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT? >> IN THE 1972
00:28:44
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CAMPAIGN, THERE WERE A LOT OF DIRTY TRICKS AIMED AT MUSKIE. HE WAS THE FRONT RUNNER AT THE TIME. IT WAS NOT SO MUCH SETTING IT UP FOR MCGOVERN BECAUSE...
00:30:17
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TALK ABOUT AND MUST BE COMING UP BRIGIT -- WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT ED MUSKIE COMING UP. FIRST, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHY GEORGE MCGOVERN WOULD RUN IN...
00:30:41
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WHEN HE FILLED IN FOR BOBBY KENNEDY AND WAS THE STANDARD BEARER FOR HIS DELICATE BECAUSE THEY WANTED HIM TO BE A STAND IN FOR KENNEDY. BEEN PARTICIPATED...
00:31:54
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IS HAPPENING BETWEEN 1968-1972 ON THAT ISSUE? >> NIXON SAID
00:32:01
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IN 1968 HE HAD A SECRET PLAN TO END THE WAR IN VIETNAM. THE AND IT UP ESCALATING THE WAR IN 1969 AND 1970 BY HAVING U.S. TROOPS INVADE CAMBODIA AND TRY...
00:32:54
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THE PENTAGON PAPERS OR FIRST PUBLISHED. WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THIS? >> THE PENTAGON PAPERS WERE
00:33:00
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NOT AS REVEALING AS THEY WERE SAID TO BE. A LOT OF THINGS IN THE PENTAGON PAPERS WERE KNOWN. IT GAVE MORE CREDIBILITY TO WHAT WAS AT THE TIME NIXON'S...
00:33:38
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ANTI-WAR CONTEST -- PROTESTS, THE CAN -- KENT STATE SHOOTINGS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. >> THESE ARE
00:33:48
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THINGS NIXON VERY EFFECTIVELY PLAYED ON. THERE WERE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO DEPLORED THE MESS IN THE STREETS, THE PICTURES OF THESE WILD-LOOKING YOUNG...
00:35:24
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AND THE IMPACT OF THE WAR ON MCGOVERN -- WHAT DID IT DO? >> AKAKA
00:35:30
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TO LOSE PERSPECTIVE A LITTLE BIT, TO BE HONEST. -- IT CAUSED HIM TO LOSE PERSPECTIVE A LITTLE BIT, TO BE HONEST. HE MADE SEVERAL TRIPS TO VIETNAM AND...
00:37:01
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WAR WITH THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR HIM. WHEN HE DID LOSE HE SAID, "I FEEL SO STRONGLY ABOUT THIS WAR THAT WE BROUGHT PEACE THAT MUCH CLOSER, THIS...
00:37:35
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WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE EARLY LIFE OF GEORGE MCGOVERN BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THE 1972 CAMPAIGN. THE MCGOVERN CAMPAIGN HIRED A DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER,...
00:37:58
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GEORGE STANLEY MCGOVERN. BIRTHPLACE, AVON SOUTH TO IT -- AVON, SOUTH DAKOTA. HE GREW UP IN MITCHELL AND WENT TO SCHOOL THERE. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT...
00:39:07
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AT THE MCGOVERN MUSEUM. SCOTT FARRIS, TELL US ABOUT GEORGE MCGOVERN. WHAT THROUGH HIS LIFE, STARTING EARLY ON, INFLUENCED HIM -- TO FIND HIM? >>
00:39:19
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IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER HIS FATHER WAS A MINISTER IN THE WESLEYAN MINISTER -- WESLEYAN METHODIST DENOMINATION. IT DISCOVERED DRINKING, DANCING, AND...
00:41:01
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TEACHER IN WORLD WAR II. HE HAD A GYM TEACHER THAT TOLD MCGOVERN TO JUMP OVER EIGHT VAULTING HORSE. THE TEACHER SAID HE WAS A PHYSICAL POWER. THAT REALLY...
00:42:29
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HIS EARLY POLITICAL CAREER DEFINE HIS PRESIDENCY -- PROVINCIAL CANDIDACY? >> HE
00:42:36
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INITIALLY HAD THOUGHT HE WOULD BE A TEACHER. THE INITIALLY THOUGHT HE WOULD BE A MINISTER. WHEN HE CAME BACK FROM THE WAR, HE ENTERED THE SEMINARY TO...
00:44:50
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ABOUT GEORGE MCGOVERN'S LEGACY, HIS CANDIDACY. WE ARE GOING TO DELVE INTO THE PRIMARY RUN HE MADE IN 1971. BEFORE WE DO THAT, LET'S GO TO COURT IN...
00:45:06
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THANK YOU, AND GOOD EVENING C-SPAN. A THANK-YOU FOR THIS WONDERFUL SERIES. I ONLY HOPE SOME DAY YOU WILL DO ONE ABOUT THE CABINET. ANYWAY, MY COMMENT...
00:45:49
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I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT. I WAS IN THE HOTEL KITCHEN AT THE TIME ROBERT KENNEDY WAS ASSASSINATED. I SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME SINCE THEN EXPLORING ALL...
00:46:51
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MIKE IN CALIFORNIA, THANKS FOR JOINING US. >>
00:46:54
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HELLO. JUST A FEW THINGS I WANT TO THROW OUT. ANTHONY LUCAS IN "NIGHTMARE" SAID DIRTY TRICKS WERE -- I TAKE IT BUT IT -- I THINK NIXON WHITE RAN A BACKLASH...
00:47:39
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ALWAYS RESENTED THE IMPLICATION THAT HE WON THE NOMINATION BECAUSE RICHARD NIXON BECAME INVOLVED WITH THE DIRTY TRICKS AGAINST MUSKIE. MCGOVERN SAID...
00:48:46
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AND ONLY THEN LEARNED ABOUT MCGOVERN'S WAR RECORD. I REMEMBER THE 1972 CAMPAIGN. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I COULD VOTE. BUT I DO NOT RECALL MCGOVERN EVER...
00:49:10
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OUR GUEST COMMENT ON THAT, I WANT TO SHOW WHAT GEORGE MCGOVERN HAD TO SAY ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE AS A WORLD WAR II BOMBER PILOT. C-SPAN SAT DOWN WITH HIM...
00:49:36
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B-24 BOMBER, WHICH WAS THE BIGGEST ONE WE HAD AT THAT TIME. IT WAS BEFORE THE B-52. WE WERE HITTING THE MOST HEAVILY DEFENDED TARGETS IN EUROPE. I WANTED...
00:50:25
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DISTINGUISHED FLYING CROSS. >> THERE IT IS AT
00:50:29
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THE MCGOVERN MUSEUM. WE ARE LIVE FROM THEIR FOR OUR SERIES ON JOHN -- FOR OUR CONTENDERS' SERIES ON A JAUNT -- GEORGE MCGOVERN. WHY DID HE NOT TALK ABOUT...
00:50:44
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IF IT WAS THE SUBJECT OF A LOT OF DEBATE ABOUT HOW MUCH HE SHOULD EMPHASIZE HIS WORK -- WAR RECORD. HE NEVER JUST COMPLETELY IGNORED IT, BUT HE WAS SPECIFICALLY...
00:51:43
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THE CAMPAIGN. HE HAD A SLOGAN WHEN HE WOUND UP HIS SPEECHES LATE IN THE CAMPAIGN ABOUT LEAVING WAR BEHIND AND COMING HOME. ANOTHER ONE OF HIS SLOGANS...
00:52:08
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A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT GEORGE MCGOVERN'S PRIMARY RUN, THE BIG GET THIS PHONE CALL FROM JAIL IN MASSACHUSETTS. >> I
00:52:20
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RECALL WATCHING SENATOR MCGOVERN AND ROBERT WOODBRIDGE AT THE TIME OF PRECEDENT FOR'S OF FUEL. THEY WERE INTERVIEWING -- PRESIDENT FORD'S FUNERAL. THEY...
00:53:02
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GREAT AFFECTION FOR GERALD FORD. I DO NOT KNOW THAT HE ACTUALLY VOTED FOR HIM, BUT HE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE CARTER. PRESIDENT CARTER HAD NOT BEEN VERY...
00:53:51
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WORLD WAR II HERO, THE CONGRESSMAN FROM SOUTH DAKOTA, THE SENATOR FROM THEIR DECIDES TO MAKE A RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY. HAVING DECIDED TO RUN, MCGOVERN...
00:54:22
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WAS CONCEIVED BY MEN WHO HAD A DREAM OF HUMAN DIGNITY AND JUSTICE AND CONCERN FOR EACH OTHER AT. IF WE BEGAN NOW TO MATCH OUR POLICIES WITH OUR IDEAS,...
00:55:16
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WHAT IS MCGOVERN'S CHANCES HEADING INTO THE PRIMARY IN 1971? >> CONSIDERED
00:55:23
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VERY SLIM. THE WAS NOT A REALLY DYNAMIC PERSONALITY. HE WAS A VERY CALM MAN. VERY SOFT-SPOKEN. HE LACKED FIRE EXCEPT WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE WAR IN...
00:55:44
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BILDULL. HIS NICENESS WAS SOMETIMES RIDICULED, BUT IT WAS GENUINE. WHEN HE RAN IN THE FIRST PRIMARIES, HE WAS REGARDED BASICALLY AS A WEAK REPLACEMENT...
00:56:39
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AND HOW THEY COMPARE TO GEORGE MCGOVERN? >> THE OTHER SENATORS WERE
00:56:47
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FRED HARRIS -- THEY WERE ALL BUNCHED UP TOGETHER. IT WAS MUSKIE'S NOMINATION TO LOSE. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN NEW HAMPSHIRE INCLUDING APPEARING...
00:58:30
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FELLED PART OF THE CAMPAIGN, INCLUDING THE SENATORS SPEAKING TO A GROUP OF VIETNAM WAR VETERANS AT A HOSPITAL. HERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CONVERSATION....
00:58:40
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THEIR COUNTRY, THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YOU ARE ABOUT HALFWAY MAD AT IT, ARE YOU NOT? >> WHEN YOU LOSE
00:58:48
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CONTROL OF YOUR BOWELS', YOUR BLADDER, YORK STERILITY WHENEVER FATHER A CHILD, YOU'LL NEVER WALK AGAIN FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, YOU ARE 23-YEARS OLD,...
00:59:28
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UNCONSCIONABLE ATTACKS OF THIS DAY IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID -- PEOPLE WHO ARE DESPERATELY IN NEED OF HELP CANNOT QUALIFY FOR IT UNDER THE PRESENT SYSTEM....
01:00:21
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FARRIS, THE IMPACT OF GEORGE MCGOVERN'S TOWN IN THAT CAMPAIGN FILM AND THE IMPACT ON HIS -- TONE IN THAT CAMPAIGN FILM AND THE IMPACT ON HIS PRIMARY RUN....
01:00:37
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HOW OFTEN DO YOU HEAR POLITICIANS TALKING THAT CANDIDLY ABOUT THE PRICE OF WAR? FERRY SELDOM A, IF EVER. THAT WAS VERY -- VERY SELDOMLY, IF EVER. ONE...
01:01:38
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MCGOVERN OVERCOME THIS AND THEN WIN THE NOMINATION? >> AGAIN, HE
01:01:45
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WAS A BIT OF A POLITICAL SAVANT. HE WAS AN ORGANIZATIONAL GENIUS. HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO WIN. WE TALK ABOUT WHAT A GOOD GUY HE WAS, AND THAT...
01:03:21
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WHAT WAS THE MEDIA MAKING OF THIS GRASSROOTS STRATEGY AT THE TIME? WERE YOU PAYING ATTENTION TO IT? >> WE WERE
01:03:28
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PAYING MORE ATTENTION TO MUSKIE, BECAUSE MUSKIE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE WINNER. HIS STAFF MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. ONE OF HIS LEADING...
01:04:26
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GEORGE WALLACE? THE ROLE OF HIM IN THIS PRIMARY? >> WELL, WALLACE WAS A
01:04:36
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SPOILER. HE TRIED TO BE A SPOILER. HE GOT PAST MUSKIE IN FLORIDA. WALLACE WON THE FLORIDA PRIMARY AND MUSKIE FINISHED FOURTH. THAT WAS KIND OF THE LAST...
01:04:59
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MUSKIE STUMBLED, BUT DID MCGOVERN MAKE ANY MISTAKES IN THIS PRIMARY? >>
01:05:03
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HE WOULD LATER. HE GOT A LITTLE COMPLACENT, ODDLY ENOUGH. HE CAME FROM 100-1 ODDS TO WIN THE NOMINATION, BUT HE STUMBLED BADLY IN CALIFORNIA. HE CAME...
01:06:17
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IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE THING THAT WAS DONE TO MUSKIE, BUT THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN, DIRTY TRICKS WERE INTEGRAL TO NIXON POSES...
01:07:16
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TAG LINE OF AMNESTY AFTER AN ABORTION COME FROM? EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS AND WHERE IT COMES FROM. >> REMARKABLY, IT CAME FROM
01:07:25
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HIS FUTURE RUNNING MATE, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO BOB NOVAK IN HIS POSTHUMOUS MEMOIRS. EAGLETON ALLEGEDLY SAID HE COULD NOT POSSIBLY HAVE A CHANCE BECAUSE...
01:09:00
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ABOUT AMNESTY, ABORTION AND MARIJUANA WAS A DIRTY TRICK, BUT IT IS SO COMMON IN POLITICS, EVEN NOW. ONE SIDE TAKES ACTION TO SABOTAGE THE OTHER SIDE....
01:09:13
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YOU HEARD THAT LINE, WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF IT? >> NOT MUCH. >> DID YOU WRITE ABOUT IT? >> I DO NOT
01:09:21
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REMEMBER WHAT I WROTE ABOUT IT, BUT I WOULD NOT HAVE PUT IT IN THE CATEGORY OF BEING A DIRTY TRICK. IT IS THE SORT OF THING THAT WOULD GO ON BOTH SIDES...
01:09:42
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TALKING ABOUT GEORGE MCGOVERN, OUR 13TH CONTENDER IN OUR 14-WEEK SERIES. GO AHEAD. >> I WAS A
01:09:52
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17-YEAR-OLD COLLEGE STUDENT AT THE TIME AND VOLUNTEERED FOR THE MCGOVERN CAMPAIGN, BUT I WAS NOT ABLE TO VOTE IN THAT ELECTION. BUT MY QUESTION IS, THE...
01:10:44
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WAS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE, AND WE HAD PLANNED THAT HE WOULD JOIN US. UNFORTUNATELY, HE TOOK A SPILL EARLIER THIS EVENING AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE...
01:11:13
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HE CERTAINLY TRIED. THE WATERGATE STORY DID NOT TAKE OFF THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE, THE WAY WE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED IT TO. ONE OF THE REASONS IS KIND OF...
01:12:06
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AMERICAN PEOPLE READING ABOUT IT? >> YOU HAVE TO
01:12:09
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REMEMBER THAT THE MOST DISCRIMINATING ASPECTS OF WATERGATE WERE REVEALED AFTER THE CAMPAIGN WAS OVER, WHEN THE TRIAL BEGAN AND ONE OF THE DEFENDANTS TOLD...
01:12:41
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HAVE DISCUSSED THE PRIMARY. LET'S GO UP TO THE CONVENTION. HERE IS GEORGE MCGOVERN AT THE CONVENTION IN MIAMI, JOKING ABOUT GIVING HIS SPEECH AT TWO...
01:13:02
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CHAIRMAN O'BRIEN, CHAIRMAN BYRD, SENATOR KENNEDY, SENATOR EAGLETON AND MY FELLOW CITIZENS, I AM HAPPY TO JOIN YOU FOR THIS BENEDICTION OF OUR FRIDAY...
01:13:46
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BACK LIVE FROM MITCHELL SOUTH DAKOTA AT THE GEORGE MCGOVERN AND MUSEUM. SCOTT FARRIS, A PRESIDENTIAL AUTHOR, THE GOVERNMENT GIVES THIS BEACH -- GEORGE...
01:14:27
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TRIED TO DO AWAY WITH WINNER TAKE ALL PRIMARIES, BUT THEY GRANTED AN EXCEPTION FOR CALIFORNIA. THEY REALIZE THERE WAS A STRONG IN CERTAIN FEELING IN...
01:17:19
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SHORT LIST OF VICE-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES? >> IT STARTED
01:17:23
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OUT AS A LONG LIST. THE NIGHT THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PICK THE NOMINEE, THAT MORNING AT THE HOTEL IN MIAMI, HE CALLED TOGETHER THE STAFF, AND THEY...
01:20:32
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THAT TIME THAT IT WOULD BE EAGLETON, BUT ALL OF THOSE PIECES OF PAPER WERE THERE, AND WE DID NOT KNOW THEY HAD MADE A DECISION, SO WE WASTED ABOUT TWO...
01:20:50
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WHY DID ALL OF THESE POTENTIAL RUNNING MATES SAY NO? WHEN HE DOES CHOOSE EAGLETON, EAGLETON EXCEPT. WHO DOES THAT APPEAL TO? >> MOST OF THEM SAID NO
01:21:01
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BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO LOSE. EVEN THOUGH SENATOR MCGOVERN HAD SOME VERY GOOD REASONS WHY HE THOUGHT HE WOULD WIN, NOBODY THOUGHT IT WOULD...
01:22:02
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MORE ABOUT THAT DECISION AND THE FALLOUT FROM IT, BUT FIRST, LET ME SPEAK TO ED IN MORRISTOWN, NEW JERSEY. GO AHEAD. >> SENATOR
01:22:13
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MCGOVERN TOOK OF ROBERT KENNEDY'S BANNER IN 1968. HOW MUCH SUPPORT DID HE RECEIVE FROM THE KENNEDY FORCES AFTER HE RECEIVED THE NOMINATION AND ADDED A...
01:22:32
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CAMPAIGN ENTHUSIASTICALLY FOR HIM. THE KENNEDY FAMILY CAMPAIGNED ENTHUSIASTICALLY FOR HIM. WHEN EAGLETON WAS DROPPED FROM THE TICKET, SARGENT SHRIVER...
01:23:10
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THE VICE PRESIDENT'S PICK AND SO ON IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW MESSED UP THAT WHOLE SCENARIO SEEMED TO BE. WHAT I ALWAYS WONDERED WAS HOW COME THE DEMOCRATIC...
01:23:58
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HUMPHREY HAD BEEN A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BEFORE THAT AND HAD NOT MADE IT. MUSKIE WAS SO STRONG, AND ALSO YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT NIXON -- NOT NIXON,...
01:24:56
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COLORADO, BUD. YOU ARE ON THE AIR. >> THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY
01:25:06
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CALL AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THIS SERIES. WE'RE TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT ONE OF MY VERY FAVORITE AMERICANS. THE VERY FIRST CAMPAIGN THAT I WAS...
01:25:59
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WITH THE CALLER THEAT MCGOVERN WAS AN UNDERRATED, UNDER APPRECIATED CANDIDATE. HE WAS UP AGAINST A CANDIDACY, NIXON'S, THAT WAS VERY AGGRESSIVE AND DESTRUCTION,...
01:26:44
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LET'S GET INTO NIXON'S ROLE AND THE MISTAKES MCGOVERN MADE. BUT FIRST, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE CHOICE OF EAGLETON. HERE IS THE FORMER CAMPAIGN AIDE...
01:27:04
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WAS THAT WE HAD A VERY TOUGH ROAD TO THE NOMINATION. IT WAS NOT CLEAR UNTIL THE SECOND DAY OF THE CONVENTION BECAUSE OF AN UGLY FAULT -- BECAUSE OF AN...
01:28:48
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WERE YOU BEING TOLD ABOUT THE CANDIDATE? >> THE BETTING
01:28:54
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CANDIDATES WAS A VERY CASUAL SORT OF THING AT THE -- VETTING CANDIDATES WAS A VERY CASUAL SORT OF THING AT THAT TIME. THERE WAS VERY LITTLE TIME, OR...
01:29:19
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CONVENTION, YOU GO TO SIOUX FALLS. WHAT IS HAPPENING? WHAT IS THE STORY ABOUT EAGLETON? >> I WAS NOT THERE AT
01:29:30
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THE TIME THAT EAGLETON WENT THERE AND MET WITH MCGOVERN. WORD CAME THAT EAGLETON HAD HAD MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS AND HAD TAKEN PSYCHOTHERAPY TWICE. MCGOVERN...
01:30:28
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TO FIND A DELICATE WAY OUT OF IT AND THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT. A COUPLE OF THINGS HAPPENED. ONCE THE RUMORS -- OR THE TRUTH CAME OUT ABOUT SENATOR...
01:34:07
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TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH NIXON AT THIS TIME, BUT FIRST, LET ME SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF CAMPAIGN ADS FROM THIS. >> ONE OF THE
01:34:18
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REASONS I AM DISTURBED BY THE PRESIDENT'S $10 MILLION SECRET ELECTION FUND IS THAT IT INDICATES THAT THERE IS SOMETHING HE IS AFRAID TO DISCLOSE. WHETHER...
01:34:54
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THAT MOTIVATED MIGHT CHANGE -- MIGHT CHANGE -- MY CHANGE WAS A YEAR OF COLLECTING PURE, UNAFFECTED FAX. -- FACTS. >> I WANT TO MAKE THIS PLEDGE
01:35:16
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TO SAMMY AND EVERYBODY HERE. WHETHER YOU'RE YOUNG, OLD, BLACK, WHITE, I BELIEVE IN THE AMERICAN DREAM. SAMMY DAVIS BELIEVES IN IT. WE HAVE SEEN IT IN...
01:35:47
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NIXON AT THIS POINT IN THE GENERAL ELECTION? HOW IS HE CAMPAIGNING? >> NIXON IS COASTING,
01:35:54
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BASICALLY. HE HAD A VERY, VERY DISCIPLINED CAMPAIGN. IT WAS A CARRYOVER FROM HIS CAMPAIGN IN 1968, WHERE EVERYTHING WAS ORCHESTRATED, DOWN TO THE FINEST...
01:36:51
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FOR YOU TO COVER THE MCGOVERN CAMPAIGN VERSUS THE NIXON CAMPAIGN? HOW WERE THEY DIFFERENT? >>
01:36:59
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I COVERED THEM BOTH. ONE DIFFERENCE WAS THAT MCGOVERN WAS RUNNING DESPERATELY. THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NOT CATCHING ON. THEY TRAVELED WIDELY. IT WAS...
01:38:22
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CAMPAIGN DOING TO TRY TO WEAKEN THE GOVERNMENT? >> AGAIN -- WEAKEN MCGOVERN? >> AGAIN, THEY ARE
01:38:34
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TRYING TO PAINT HIM AS A RADICAL, OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE AMERICAN MAINSTREAM. THERE ALSO STAYING ABOVE THE FRAY, TALKING ABOUT THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF...
01:40:51
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THIS STORY ENDS. GEORGE MCGOVERN LOSES IN ONE OF THE SECOND WORST LANDSLIDES IN AMERICAN HISTORY. WHAT IS THE MOOD OF THE CAMPAIGN? >> WHEN
01:41:08
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YOU'RE ON THE CAMPAIGN PLANE, AND YOU'RE IN THIS TUBE LYING AROUND THE COUNTRY -- FLYING AROUND THE COUNTRY, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE...
01:41:30
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WE WRAP UP THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GENERAL ELECTION, WE WANT TO MOVE ON TO THE LEGACY OF GEORGE MCGOVERN. BUT FIRST, A LITTLE BIT OF THE SENATOR FROM...
01:41:55
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THAT PRESIDENT NIXON WILL COME OUT OF THIS THE WINNER WITH ABOUT 60% OF THE POPULAR VOTE AND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 4005500 OR MORE ELECTORAL -- 450-500 OR...
01:42:14
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NEXT FOUR YEARS YOU WILL LEAD US TO A TIME OF PEACE ABROAD AND JUSTICE AT HOME. YOU HAVE MY FULL SUPPORT IN SUCH EFFORTS WITH BEST WISHES TO YOU AND...
01:42:34
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AND SENATOR HUMPHREY ARE SPEAKING. IT WILL BE A FEW MOMENTS BEFORE WE CAN GET HIM. I HAVE DR. KISSINGER. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> HELLO, MR.
01:42:44
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PRESIDENT. I WANTED TO EXTEND MY WARMEST CONGRATULATIONS. >> WE ALL KNEW
01:42:50
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IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. WE GOT OUR 60%. >> ONE COULD NOT REALLY
01:43:04
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BE SURE UNTIL WE HAD SEEN. >> WE GOT EVERY STATE
01:43:09
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EXCEPT MASSACHUSETTS, AND MAYBE MINNESOTA. WHAT A CRITIC. DID YOU HEAR THAT CONCESSION STATEMENT? HE WAS VERY GRACIOUS AT THE BEGINNING. HE SENT ME A...
01:43:35
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AGREE? >> ABSOLUTELY. HE WAS IN GENEROUS -- NOT GENEROUS, AND WORTHY. -- UNWORTHY. >> I RESPONDED
01:43:53
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IN A DECENT WAY. IT WAS AS FAR AS I COULD GO, BUT I AM NOT GOING TO SPEND MUCH TIME ON HIM. >> YOU ARE LOOKING AT ONE OF
01:44:03
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THE CUE CARDS FROM GEORGE MCGOVERN POSE A CONCESSION SPEECH. HE SAID -- GEORGE MCGOVERN'S CONCESSION SPEECH. JULES WITCOVER, WAS HIS CONCESSION SPEECH...
01:44:30
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SO. IT TOOK A PARANOID PERSONALITY LIKE RICHARD NIXON TO TAKE IT THAT WAY. >> SCOTT FARRIS, YOUR REACTION? >> IT
01:44:40
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WAS GENERALLY PRETTY GRACIOUS. NIXON'S TELEGRAM TO GEORGE MCGOVERN WAS NOT PARTICULARLY WARM AND FRIENDLY EITHER. THEY BOTH KNEW THAT THEY DID NOT ...
01:45:52
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TO MOVE ON TO WHAT GEORGE MCGOVERN DID AFTER HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT IN 1972. BUT FIRST WE'RE GOING TO GET TO ED IN OHIO. >>
01:46:04
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GOOD EVENING. THERE IS AN IMPORTANT ARTICLE THAT NICK OF BURNED -- THAT MAKE GOVERNOR -- THE GEORGE MCGOVERN WROTE THAT WAS IN THE WASHINGTON JOURNAL....
01:46:49
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GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK. YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR TELEVISION DOWN. SCOTT FARRIS, PICK IT UP THERE WITH GEORGE MCGOVERN...
01:47:09
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COALITION THAT REPRESENTS THE MODERN DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THE PARTY THAT ELECTED BARACK OBAMA IN 2008. THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN IN 2007-2008 TENDED TO MIRROR...
01:48:13
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ME. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAD EVER HEARD OF AN ORGANIZATION CALLED THE BUILDER, AND WHETHER OR NOT -- BILDEBERG, AND WHETHER GEORGE MCGOVERN HAD...
01:48:36
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ABOUT GEORGE MCGOVERN AND HIS POST- 1972 CAREER. THIS IS BILL CLINTON, WHO ACTUALLY RAN THE GEORGE MCGOVERN CAMPAIGN IN TEXAS, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW....
01:48:56
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THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS FASCINATING LIFE. PILOT, A TEACHER, CONGRESSMAN, SENATOR, FIRST DIRECTOR OF FOOD FOR PEACE, AUTHOR WITH SENATOR DOLE OF THE FOOD...
01:50:28
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EXPLAIN WHY GEORGE MCGOVERN HAD A PASSION ON THIS ISSUE AND ITS IMPACT. >>
01:50:32
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TWO REASONS. ONE, HE WAS A GENERALLY COMPASSIONATE MAN. HE SAW HUNDRED DURING BE A -- DURING THE DEPRESSION. HE SAID -- HE SAW HUNDRED DURING THE DEPRESSION....
01:52:09
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MINUTES LEFT, TALKING ABOUT GEORGE MCGOVERN. AS WE TOLD YOU EARLIER, WE INVITED SENATOR MCGOVERN TO BE ON OUR PROGRAM THIS EVENING. UNFORTUNATELY, HE...
01:52:42
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EXCELLENT PROGRAM TONIGHT. MY QUESTION IS WHETHER GEORGE MCGOVERN WAS EVER DELECTABLE IN 1972. WERE THERE ANY -- EVER ELECTIVE ALL -- ELECTABLE IN 1972....
01:53:08
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TALKED ABOUT AT SOME LENGTH TO NIGHT WERE A MIXED BAG IN THE CAMPAIGN. FOR ALL THIS SUPPORT THAT GEORGE MCGOVERN GOT FROM WAR PROTESTORS, THERE WERE...
01:53:57
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CAREER OVER AFTER 1972? >> HE CONTINUED
01:54:00
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TO SERVE IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE. HE WAS REELECTED IN SOUTH DAKOTA PRETTY HANDILY IN 1974. BY THAT TIME, WATERGATE HAD COME ABOUT AND PRESIDENT NIXON...
01:55:37
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MUCH. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE YOUR STUDIES. I WANT TO JUST REMIND EVERYBODY TO REMEMBER GEORGE AFTER "LOSING" AND ELECTION. I DO NOT THINK HE LOST....
01:56:40
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IT IS BARACK OBAMA. I DO NOT THINK THAT ANY OF THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES REPRESENT ANYTHING AKIN TO THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT GEORGE MCGOVERN RUNNING FOR...
01:57:04
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WOULD GEORGE MCGOVERN HAVE BEEN? >> I
01:57:06
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ACTUALLY THINK HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A PRETTY GOOD PRESIDENT. I BASE THAT ON THE FOOD FOR PEACE PROGRAM. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NEED TO BRING TO THE PRESIDENCY...
01:57:53
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HAS OUTLINED A MAP FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO BE A MAJOR FORCE IN POLITICS, TO RETURN TO ITS STATUS AS THE MAJORITY PARTY. IT IS A QUESTION OF WHETHER...
01:58:49
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THEN GIVE THIS ONE TO BOTH OF YOU. WILL THERE BE ANOTHER ANTIWAR CANDIDATE? IN THE FUTURE, LIKE A MCGOVERN? >> THE THING
01:59:04
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THE DIFFERENTIATED HIM FROM OTHER ANTI WORK CANDIDATES WAS IN HIS HEART, WAS IN HIS SOUL -- ANTI-WAR CANDIDATE WAS IN HIS HEART, IN HIS SOUL. I THINK...
01:59:50
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BELIEVE ANYONE WILL EVER RUN AS AN ANTI-WAR CANDIDATE EXACTLY THE WAY HE DID. HE SHOWED WHAT A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE CAN AND CANNOT SAY ABOUT A WAR...
02:00:33
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ON THAT POINT. WE WANT TO THANK THE MCGOVERN CENTER AND OUR GUESTS. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THINK IT'S GOT MORTENSEN, AND SENATOR MCGOVERN'S DAUGHTER,...
02:01:42
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YOU BOTH. BUT [CAPTIONS COPYRIGHT NATIONAL CABLE SATELLITE CORP. 2011] [CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE] >> WE ARE NOT CONTENT
02:02:08
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WITH THINGS AS THEY ARE. WE REJECT THE VIEW THAT PEOPLE SAY, AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. >> "THE CONTENDERS"
02:02:38
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CONTINUES LIVE NEXT FRIDAY. IT WILL BE IN TEXARKANA, TEXAS, TAKING YOUR CALLS ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN OF ROSS PEROT. SEE TONIGHT'S PROGRAM AT...

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