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TV PRESENTS AFTER WORDS AN HOUR-LONG PROGRAM WHERE WE INVITE GUEST HOST TO INTERVIEW AUTHORS. THIS WEEK, CLIFTON TRUMAN DANIEL PROVIDES PERSONAL COMMENTARY...
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FUN TO BE HERE WITH YOU. WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING THE PAST ABOUT YOUR GRANDFATHER AND MY GREAT GRANDFATHER'S RELATIONSHIP AND YOU'VE JUST...
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| 00:01:10 |
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A VERY PRIVATE PERSON AND MY GRANDFATHER WAS AN OPEN BOOK. YOU ESTIMATE QUESTION YOU GOT AN ANSWER. HE SAVED EVERYTHING. HE SAVE SCRAPS OF PAPERS AND...
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| 00:02:06 |
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Host: TOSSED ANOTHER STACK SECOND OF FIRE. >> Guest: IF SHE WROTE
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AS OFTEN AS HE DID WHICH IS LIKELY, SHE BURNED MORE THAN 1200 LETTERS, MORE THAN 11 OR 1200 LETTERS AND THE ONES SHE MISSED, SHE MISSED AND WHAT RAID...
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184 THAT SHE HAD HONOR ON AND WHEN DID YOU COME TO FIND THEM? >> Guest: MY
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MOTHER ASKED IN THE EARLY 1980s, A YEAR OR SO BEFORE MY GRANDMOTHER DIED, MY MOTHER ASKED FOR AN INVENTORY OF EVERYTHING IN THE HOUSE AND ARCHIVISTS...
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TWOS AND THREES AND TALKED THEM INTO A BOX AND TOOK THEM TO THE TRUMAN LIBRARY. >>
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Host: AND IN THE LETTERS CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME FROM THE LETTERS? WHAT PART OF THEIR LIVES TO THE LETTERWRITING STAND? >> Guest: IT'S ODD...
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| 00:03:10 |
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IT ACTUALLY DOES SPAN -- THE -- THERE IS ONE FROM 1919, THE END OF WORLD WAR I. FROM 192-32-1943 WHICH WAS ESSENTIALLY GRANDPAS 10 YEARS AS A COUNTY...
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| 00:03:46 |
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THINGS I'VE NOTICED IS IT'S TRUE, SHE PROBABLY DID BURN ABOUT 1100 LETTERS BECAUSE THEN THE TIMES THAT YOU HAVE THE LETTERS THAT SHE SHE IS HAS WRITTEN...
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| 00:04:17 |
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I ALWAYS KNEW THEY WERE CLOSE BUT I DID NOT REALIZE HOW CLOSE. WHEN THEY WERE PART AND THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW THAT THE LETTERS OF MY GRANDMOTHER THAT...
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| 00:05:16 |
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THINGS THAT I LOVE ABOUT THESE LETTERS IS FIRST, FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS NOT TOLD YOU ABOUT THE LOST ART OF LETTERWRITING AND HOW THIS WAS THE PRIMARY WAY...
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| 00:05:50 |
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THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST ONE I READ. I WAS USED TO NO-NONSENSE, AND VERY SWEET LADY ALESSI CROSSER, LSU CLIMBED UP THE WALLS OR PUT MARBLES DOWN...
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| 00:06:37 |
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YOU TALK ACTUALLY ABOUT HOW YOU KNEW YOUR GRANDMOTHER IS THIS STERN WOMAN BECAUSE SHE WAS YOUR GRANDMOTHER AND YOU WERE SIX YEARS OLD OR SO WE FIRST...
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| 00:07:02 |
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SHE WAS -- IT REALLY IS A WONDERFUL THING FOR A FAMILY MEMBER, FOR A GRANDCHILD TO MEET, TO GO BACK IN TIME AND GET A CHANCE TO MEET YOUR GRANDMOTHER...
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| 00:08:53 |
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EVEN WHEN THE REPORTS CAME BACK FULLY CLEAN, YET A CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH SHE SAID I BET THEY DID NOT LOCATE YOUR TONSILS. >> Guest: DID
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| 00:09:02 |
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NOT BELIEVE IT. WOULD HAVE A SAY ABOUT YOUR HEART? >> Host: ONE OF THE
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| 00:09:06 |
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THINGS I LOVED ABOUT YOUR BOOK IS HOW IT REALLY PAINTS THIS PICTURE OF WHAT A PILL OR BESS WAS FOR HARRY THROUGHOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIP AND I WONDER,...
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| 00:09:27 |
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IS INTERESTING, HE OFTEN SAID AND HE SAID IT IN A LETTER THERE I THINK IN THE LATE 20s OR EARLY 30s, EARLY 30s. HE HAD COME BACK FROM NATIONAL GUARD...
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A FRICTION. >> Guest:
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| 00:11:08 |
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ANY SERIOUS FRICTION. THEY GOT INTO IT OVER HAIRCUT IN 1925. >> Host: THE GOLDEN CURLS. JESS. >> Guest: GRANDPA
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SAW MY GRANDMOTHER WHEN HE WAS SIX AND SHE WAS FIVE IN SUNDAY SCHOOL AND HE REMEMBERED FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE A LITTLE GIRL WITH THE GOLDEN CURLS...
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| 00:11:41 |
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Host: BECAUSE THEY GOT MARRIED QUITE LATE. >> Guest: THEY WERE
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| 00:11:46 |
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BOTH IN THEIR MID-30s WHEN THEY GOT MARRIED. BUT THE CORE CHIP, DATE, HE WAS BORN IN 1884 AND SHE WAS BORN IN 1885. THEIR COURTSHIP DID NOT START UNTIL...
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| 00:12:09 |
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LETTERS ADMONISHED HER FOR WANTING TO CUT HER HAIR. >> Guest: RIGHT AND ITS
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| 00:12:16 |
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1925. ALL THE WOMEN ARE GETTING THEIR HAIRCUT SHORT AND SHE COMPLAINED. THE APPARENTLY STARTED THIS ARGUMENT AT HOME. THEY MUST HAVE BECAUSE THE LETTER...
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| 00:12:49 |
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NO WORD ABOUT WHETHER SHE CUT HER HAIR? >> Guest:
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| 00:12:53 |
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NO. MAYBE IT CROSSED IN THE MAIL BUT HE WAS LIKE I'M GOING TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT. AND SHE WOULDN'T LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT. THE NEXT LETTER FROM...
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| 00:13:49 |
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IS THE 1930s PERIOD THERE WERE FEWER LETTERS THAN THAT IS ALSO THE DECADE WHERE YOUR MOTHER WAS BORN. THIS IS ALSO AS YOU NOTICE IN THE LETTER, FIRST...
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| 00:14:21 |
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THEY WERE THE TRIO. THEY WERE A TIGHT FAMILY GROUP. I THINK THAT'S JUST THE WAY THEY WERE BUT ALSO MY GRANDMOTHER HAD TWO MISCARRIAGES WHILE MY MOTHER...
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| 00:15:55 |
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OF THE THINGS I THINK THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, THEY HAVE THIS IMAGE OF THE 1944 CONVENTION AND WAS HAIRY AND MARGARET SMILING INTO THE CAMERA SAND WAITING....
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| 00:16:25 |
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IT. AND THAT PARTICULAR, THOSE SERIES OF PHOTOS, MY MOTHER AND MY GRANDFATHER ARE WAVING AND SMILING AT EVERYBODY IN MY GRANDMOTHER IS OVER THERE LIKE...
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| 00:18:59 |
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ALSO HAD NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS. >> Guest: SHIITES
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| 00:19:03 |
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HAD A NEWSPAPER CLIPPING, A STORY ABOUT HIM OR ANYTHING HE WAS MISSING BY BEING AWAY. NATIONAL GUARD CAMP IN THE 20s AND ON THE SENATE INVESTIGATIVE...
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| 00:19:15 |
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ALL AT -- ATTITUDE ABOUT POLITICS CHANGE FROM THE TIME HE WAS IN MISSOURI AND THEN WENT TO THE SENATE AND WAS INVOLVED IN WASHINGTON? >> Guest: NO, YOU
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| 00:19:23 |
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CAN SEE IN THE LETTER SHE BECOMES MORE ASTUTE. SHE UNDERSTANDS POLITICS ON THE NATIONAL SCENE, THE NATIONAL STAGE. SHE IS VERY GOOD AT IT. AGAIN SHE...
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| 00:19:58 |
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SOMETIMES CRITICIZED PUBLICLY FOR BEING INDEPENDENT AND NOT THING IN WASHINGTON WITH HER HUSBAND. THIS WAS EARLY IN HER LIFE WHICH MAY HAVE FORMED...
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| 00:20:14 |
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IT GOES BACK TO THE PHOTO OF THE 44 CONVENTION. SHE WAS GLOWERING AND SHE DIDN'T LIKE THE WHOLE THING. WHEN SHE WAS 18 YEARS OLD, HER FATHER, DAVID...
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| 00:23:09 |
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YOU THINK THAT ALSO PROBABLY CONTRIBUTED TO HER RESERVATIONS WAX THERE WAS ONE THING YOU WROTE. YOU SAID HER FAVORITE INTERVIEW WAS A WRITTEN Q&A. >>...
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| 00:23:21 |
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INTO, WHEN SHE GOT INTO OFFICE, WHEN GRANDPA GOT INTO OFFICE THIS IS ROOSEVELT HAD WEEKLY PRESS CONFERENCES. MY GRANDMOTHER CANCELED THOSE AND THEN...
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| 00:23:54 |
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WE ARE GOING TO BREAK AND WE WILL BE BACK IN JUST A MOMENT. >> AFTER WORDS IS AVAILABLE
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| 00:24:07 |
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VIA PODCAST THROUGH iTUNES AND XML. VISIT BookTV.ORG AND CLICK PODCAST ON THE UPPER LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE. SELECT WHICH PODCAST YOU WOULD LIKE TO...
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| 00:24:22 |
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WITH CLIFTON TRUMAN DANIEL, TALKING ABOUT HIS BOOK, "DEAR HARRY, LOVE BESS" BESS TRUMAN'S LETTERS TO HARRY TRUMAN 1919-1943, AND YOU ARE JUST ABOUT...
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| 00:24:43 |
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Guest: TALKING ABOUT THE VARIOUS REFERENCES TO NIGHTGOWNS THAT'S ANOTHER THING ABOUT GETTING TO KNOW YOUR GRANDPARENTS WHEN SHE WAS YOUNGER. THEY DON'T...
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| 00:25:00 |
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THERE'S A WHOLE NIGHTGOWNS SECTION IN THE LETTER. MAYBE YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT THAT. >> Guest:
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| 00:25:06 |
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THEY KEEP CROPPING UP. >> Host: I REMEMBER I
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DID READ SOMETHING ABOUT A RACIALLY NICK SHEA -- RACY NEGLIGEE. >> Guest: IT
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| 00:25:16 |
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WAS JUST A TOSSUP SENTENCE IN ONE OF THE LETTERS, WENT SHOPPING, BOUGHT MARGARET A NEW HAT AND BOUGHT A NEW NIGHTGOWNS FOR ME. ARE A GREAT, NICE TO...
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| 00:29:35 |
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HEALTHY MARRIAGE IN MANY WAYS, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY DRIVES YOU INTO THE BOOK. IT'S A LOVE STORY. >> Guest: YEAH, THEY HAD
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A GREAT ROMANCE. LIKE I SAID EARLIER, SHE IGNORED HIM. SHE WASN'T THAT MEAN. >> Host: EARLY
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| 00:29:53 |
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IN THE COURTSHIP SHE HAD HER -- HE HAD PROPOSED TO HER IN ONE OF THE LETTERS. >>
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| 00:30:01 |
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Guest: AFTER SIX MONTHS OF LETTER WRITING AND VISITING HE SAID WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT WEARING A SOLITAIRE, WEARING A DIAMOND? NOTHING. >> Host: SHE...
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| 00:30:12 |
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Guest: NO RESPONSE. I THINK IT WENT ON FOR A WEEK TO 10 DAYS, NOTHING. HE WROTE TO GET IN BUT AGAIN AND HE SAID I'M SORRY, I JUMPED AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW...
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| 00:31:25 |
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I WANT TO POINT OUT THE COVER THAT IS ON THE BOOK, THE PHOTO HERE IS A SPECIAL PHOTO THAT RESEMBLES THAT COURTSHIP. >>
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| 00:31:36 |
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Guest: THAT'S THE ONE THAT HE TOOK WITH HIM TO WORLD WAR I AND HE KEPT IN HIS POCKET ALL THROUGH THE WAR. SHE HAD AGREED TO MARRY HIM BEFORE THE WAR...
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| 00:32:15 |
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HER GRANDFATHER'S LETTERS PUBLIC IN THE MID-1980s. >> Guest: CORRECT. >> Host: BUT SHE DID
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| 00:32:24 |
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NOT -- YOUR GRANDMOTHERS. WHY? >>
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| 00:32:28 |
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Guest: I THINK AND I REMEMBER ASKING HER IN THE MID- 80s. BOB FARRELL DID THE BOOK. HE USED ABOUT HALF OF MIKE GRANDFATHER'S LETTERS IN THE BOOK AND...
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| 00:33:26 |
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THE FIRST THAT ANYBODY IN THE UNITED STATES UNITED STATES HAD EVER HAD THIS KIND OF ACCESS BUT IT WAS ONLY 15 LETTERS AND YOU HAVE 184 HERE. >> Guest:...
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| 00:33:37 |
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HOW DO YOU THINK YOU GRANDMOTHER WHITFIELD KNOWING THAT YOU, HER GRANDSON WITH THE LONG HAIR HAD PUBLISHER LETTERS? >> Guest: YOU KNOW I
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| 00:33:50 |
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DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT SHE HAD TO DEAL WITH MY MOTHER. SHE AND MY GRANDFATHER HAD A DEAL WITH MY MOTHER. IN 1973, ABOUT MY GRANDFATHER IN 1984 ABOUT...
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IS YOUR -- ARE THERE SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE LETTERS? >> Guest: ROOSEVELT, -- >>
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| 00:35:01 |
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Host: ROOSEVELT FOR EXAMPLE. >> Guest: THE MAIN THING
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| 00:35:03 |
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THAT SHE WAS ANGRY, BOTH OF THEM ANGRY AT THE PRESIDENT FOR, GRANDPA, HE WAS ONE SENATE SEAT IN 1934 AND GETTING TO RUN AGAIN IN 1940 AND IT TURNED...
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| 00:36:32 |
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TALKS ABOUT TOM PRENDERGAST WHO WAS THE DEMOCRATIC BOSS. WHAT WAS BEST' VIEW OF PRENDERGAST? >>
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| 00:36:42 |
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Guest: LIKE MY GRANDPA, SHE DOESN'T SAY MUCH ABOUT HIM EXCEPT SHE PAYS IN THAT RESPECT BACK WHEN GRANDPA WAS BEING ASKED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS SHE GOES...
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| 00:38:07 |
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THE LETTERS REPORTED THAT BACK TO HIM. >>
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| 00:38:13 |
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RIGHT. WHEN HE IS A NATIONAL GUARD CAMP HE SAID THIS IS WHAT I'M DOING IT NATIONAL GUARD CAMP AND SHE SAID THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON AT HOME. I KNOW...
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| 00:38:24 |
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LETTERS ADD TO THE HISTORICAL RECORD IN TERMS OF DETERMINING PRESIDENCY AND UNDERSTANDING? >> Guest: I JUST WANT TO
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| 00:38:35 |
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SAY HUMANITY, YOU DON'T OFTEN GET TO HEAR IT PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY SPEAK TO EACH OTHER LIKE THIS. IF THE NORMAL RHYTHM OF THEIR LIVES, TO UNDERSTAND....
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| 00:39:23 |
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TO THINK THERE IS ANYTHING TO THE CREDIT TO THEM THAT HARRY TRUMAN WAS MORE IN LOVE WITH BESS THAN BESS WAS WITH HARRY TRUMAN? >> Guest: KNOW,
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| 00:39:33 |
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AGAIN SHE WAS A PRIVATE LADY. GRANDPA WILL TELL YOU IF YOU ASK HIM, DO YOU LOVE BESS TRUMAN? YES, I LOVE HER AND IF YOU ASKED MY GRANDMOTHER SHE WOULD...
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ARE LITTLE BITS AND ALL OF THEM. >> Host: SHE REALLY
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HAS A SENSE OF HUMOR. >> Guest: YES SHE
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| 00:40:36 |
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DOES. HE IS OFF INVESTIGATING WASTE AND FRAUD IN THE MILITARY, THE ROBBERY OF THE UNITED STATES RAILROAD. HE IS OFF INVESTIGATING THESE HUGE ISSUES...
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| 00:41:13 |
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I LIKE GOING AGAINST THIS THEME THAT SHE WAS NOT POLITICAL AT ALL. IN 1942 SHE WRITES TO HIM ABOUT A RADIO SPEECH IS GIVEN THE NIGHT BEFORE AND SHE...
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| 00:41:44 |
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THEM. >> Guest: RIGHT. SHE DOES CONTRADICT HERSELF. >> Host: IT ALSO GOES TO
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SHOW SHE WAS INVOLVED IN HIS POLITICAL CAREER THROUGHOUT EVEN THOUGH IN THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAD THIS NOTION THAT SHE WAS OFTEN INDEPENDENT AND WASN'T...
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| 00:42:03 |
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THEY WERE VERY ENGAGED EACH OTHER'S LIVES AND THE STORY FROM KEY WEST SORT OF GOING DOWN THERE, THE ECONOMY IMMEDIATELY IMPROVE. >> Host: WHAT WAS IN...
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| 00:42:16 |
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WHITE HOUSE WERE GRANDPA WENT FOR VACATION. HE GOT A HEAD COLD IN 1946, COULDN'T SHAKE IT. THE DOCTOR SAID GO SOMEWHERE WARM. WHERE WOULD THAT BE? I...
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| 00:42:31 |
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HAD ROOSEVELT BEEN THERE PREVIOUSLY? >>
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| 00:42:33 |
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Guest: ROOSEVELT HAD BEEN TO KEY WEST. I THINK HE STOPPED BY. GRANDPA MOVED IN LOCK STOCK AND BARREL AND SPEND 170 DAYS OF HIS PRESIDENCY, 11 WORKING...
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| 00:43:35 |
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ONE OF THE BEST ENDORSEMENTS ANYONE COULD HAVE FOR LOOK IS THE ONE THAT MICHAEL BESCHLOSS GAVE YOU. HE SAID MORE AND MORE WE ARE LEARNING ABOUT HOW BESS...
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| 00:44:30 |
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KENYAN AIDED AND STRONG-MINDED ABOUT HIS HEALTH AND POLITICS IN THEIR FRIENDS, WHO SHOULD BE DOING WHAT. SHE WAS THE OPPOSITE TOO. SHE WAS KIND OF AN...
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| 00:44:46 |
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SOMETHING SHE REFERRED TO WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT 15. SHE SAID SHE WAS A BIT, WAS IT FAIR TO SAY SHE WAS DUPLICITOUS? >> Guest: YES SHE WAS, SHE
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| 00:44:54 |
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WAS VERY TO POST IT -- DUPLICITOUS. GRANDPA HATED LONG HAIR ON US. HE COULD NOT STAND AS WITH HAIR. THIS WAS IN 1971 AND HE COULDN'T STAND US WITH HAIR,...
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| 00:46:00 |
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TO SOMEBODY SQUATTING ON THE PROPERTY, WE DON'T KNOW. IF IT'S TIME SOMETHING IS DONE ABOUT THOSE HIPPIES. WHEN I SAW MY GRANDSONS WITH LONG HAIR AND...
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| 00:46:22 |
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GREAT EXAMPLE. SO AND A LAST MORSELS THAT YOU CAN GIVE THE VIEWERS IN TERMS OF A LETTER OR A SURPRISE, SOMETHING THAT THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT...
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| 00:46:38 |
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SAID IT. IT SHOWS THAT, IT'S A PICTURE OF WHO SHE WAS. I GET THIS A LOT WHEN I GIVE SPEECHES. PEOPLE WILL BRING THAT UP. SHE DID NOT REALLY LOVE HIM....
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| 00:47:24 |
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DO MATH. 1919 TO 1972. SO 53 YEARS. >>
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| 00:47:33 |
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Host: IT'S AN INCREDIBLE CONTRIBUTION. IS A WONDERFUL BOOK. ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT BESS TRUMAN BECAUSE REALLY THERE WASN'T A LOT ABOUT...
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| 00:47:52 |
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WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN TROUBLE WITH HIS GRANDMOTHER. >> Host: WHO MAY HAVE
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| 00:47:56 |
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SOME RECKONING TO DO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH CLIFTON FOR SHARING THE LETTERS FROM YOUR GRANDMOTHER. >> Guest: THANK YOU MARGARET. >>
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