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Mann, Thomas E. - Senior Fellow
WE UNDERSTAND SOME OF YOU ARE COMPELLED TO TWEET REVENUE ARE. IF YOU DO, WE KNOW THAT IS THE EVENT HASHTAG. I KNOW YOU ARE SHOCKED THAT I SAID THAT,...
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| 00:08:58 |
Wasserman, David - Editor
PUNDITS, ACADEMICS, CARTOGRAPHERS, YOU NAME IT. I AM PLEASED TO SEE SOME THE INNARDS OUT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. I DEFINITELY AM ONE. REDISTRICTING IS REALLY...
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| 00:16:30 |
Earls, Anita - Executive Director
AND WANT TO THANK THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTION FOR INVITING ME AND GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT I'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON FOOT THROUGH THIS PROCESS....
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| 00:21:24 |
McDonald, Michael P. - Senior Fellow
SUBMIT SOMETHING IN THE LEGISLATION IS NOT AS MUCH OF A CHECK OF SUCCESSES AS WE HAVE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND GROUPS COMING TOGETHER BEHIND A SINGLE...
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| 00:30:47 |
Ornstein, Norman J. - Resident Scholar
TRADE OFFS ARE AND HOW TO GO ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THEM 10 YEARS FROM NOW. >> THANK YOU, MICHAEL. NORMAN ORNSTEIN. >> IT HAS BEEN A REAL PLEASURE WORKING...
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| 00:38:52 |
Mann, Thomas E. - Senior Fellow
POLITICAL FIGURES ARE NATURALLY GOING TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE, EITHER PERSONALLY OR FOR THEIR PARTIES -- THAT IS JUST THE NATURE OF THE...
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| 00:40:16 |
Wasserman, David - Editor
IMPOSED ON THE PROCESS, THE OTHER WITH A NEW PROCESS REPLACING THE OLD ONE. DAVID, WOULD YOU PICK US OFF ON THAT? YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING SORT OF CALIFORNIA....
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| 00:43:48 |
Mann, Thomas E. - Senior Fellow
OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSER TO BEING AVERAGE CITIZENS COULD REALLY HAVE BENEFICIAL EFFECTS FOR BOTH THE COMPETITIVENESS OF CONGRESSIONAL ELECTIONS, BUT PUTTING...
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| 00:44:15 |
McDonald, Michael P. - Senior Fellow
THEY DO NOT KNOW OR THE INCUMBENT RESIGNED SPREAD THE LAST RESIGNS. SOME HAVE ARGUED, THAT IS THE WAY TO GO. IGNORANCE IS BLISS. OTHERS SAY, TO ACHIEVE...
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| 00:48:27 |
Mann, Thomas E. - Senior Fellow
STATE LEGISLATURE DID A POLL ON THE STANDARDS THE VOTERS IMPOSED. >> INTERESTING. ANITA EARLS, WE PICK UP ON THE FLORIDA CASE? THIS HAS BEEN INTERESTING....
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| 00:48:48 |
Earls, Anita - Executive Director
THIS CHANGE. IT REMINDED ONE OF A COALITION IN THE PAST OF MINORITIES, SORT OF REPUBLICANS RESISTING, CREATING SOME SAFE MAJORITY MINORITY DISTRICTS...
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| 00:51:23 |
Mann, Thomas E. - Senior Fellow
WHAT I SEE IN MANY STATES, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT IS BEING USED TO TRY TO REIN IN PARTISAN GERRYMANDERING AND THAT IS NOT ITS PURPOSE AND NOT WORKING ...
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| 00:52:17 |
Wasserman, David - Editor
FACT IS, THE REAL SERIOUS IDEOLOGICAL PARTISAN PARTY INTERESTS THAT ARE SHIPPED BY ALL OF THIS CRITIC DAVID, TO AGREE WITH THAT? >> I THINK WHAT SHE...
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| 00:54:09 |
Ornstein, Norman J. - Resident Scholar
THE THIRD DISTRICT. SOME USE TO CALL IT THE WISHBONE THAT EXTENDS FROM JACKSONVILLE TO ORLANDO, AND WITH THREE DEMOCRATIC LEANING DISTRICTS IN THEIR...
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| 00:56:09 |
Mann, Thomas E. - Senior Fellow
OR ON THE THREATS TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT AND YOU GET ENORMOUS PUBLIC BACKLASH, THAT MAY MEAN MEMBERS LOSE BY THREE POINTS INSTEAD OF WHAT OTHERWISE...
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| 00:57:39 |
Earls, Anita - Executive Director
UP BY THE REPUBLICANS IN THIS CASE WORKS REMATCH AGAINST THE INTEREST OF THE NEW HISPANIC POPULATION. WOULD SOMEONE BE WILLING TO SORT OF LAY THAT OUT?...
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| 00:59:03 |
Wasserman, David - Editor
NOT CREATED? WHERE IS THE ACTION? >>>> I COULD PLAY WHEN A MAN WITH THE MAP ALL DAY IF WE HAD IT, BUT YOU MIGHT BE BETTER ASKING AN ABSTRACT ARTIST TO...
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| 01:01:11 |
Mann, Thomas E. - Senior Fellow
LOT OF THEIR MEMBERS AT PUSHING THEM OUT FROM THE SUBURBS. INSTEAD, THE REPUBLICANS AND TEXAS HAVE GONE ONE STEP OVER WHICH COULD EXPOSE THEM TO A SUIT...
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| 01:01:30 |
McDonald, Michael P. - Senior Fellow
MICHAEL, DO YOU EXPECT MANY PLANTS AT THE CONGRESSIONAL LEVEL TO BE ULTIMATELY WRITTEN BY JUDGES? IF SO, IS THERE AN OPENING FOR THE PUBLIC MAPPING-KIND...
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| 01:04:14 |
Ornstein, Norman J. - Resident Scholar
USUALLY, YOU WANT TO DRAW UP DISTRICTS THAT ARE SOLID THROUGH THE DECADE SO THAT YOU CAN MAINTAIN YOUR MAJORITIES FOR A LONGER TIME. >> IN TERMS OF THE...
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| 01:04:59 |
Q & A, -
MEETING ALL OF THE CRITERIA, AND IN A POWERFUL WAY. THIS IS THE CASE
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| 01:05:05 |
Mann, Thomas E. - Senior Fellow
IN VIRGINIA, FOR EXAMPLE. IF YOU END UP WHERE A COURT HAS TO MAKE A DECISION, IT WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM, AND IT WILL BE A BETTER PLAN. NOW IT IS...
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| 01:06:19 |
Earls, Anita - Executive Director
REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION. I THINK THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT COMING OUT OF TEXAS OR FLORIDA WILL BE THE KEY ISSUES WHEN IT COMES TO LITIGATION. A QUESTION...
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| 01:07:43 |
McDonald, Michael P. - Senior Fellow
WAY THE PROCESS PROCEEDS, MY POINT OF VIEW IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR WHAT WE THINK THE LAW SAYS AN WILL ABDICATE IN WHATEVER JURISDICTION...
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| 01:10:06 |
Wasserman, David - Editor
REQUIREMENTS. ULTIMATELY, DECIDING THAT THE STATE PLAN WAS ACCEPTABLE. YET AGAIN, A DEMOCRATIC PLAN WAS THE SUBJECT OF SCRUTINY, NOT THE REPUBLICAN PLAN,...
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| 01:10:25 |
McDonald, Michael P. - Senior Fellow
PERSPECTIVE FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT, WHERE WITH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT PICKETS BATTLES? I THINK WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF THE ANSWERS SO FAR. IT DOES...
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| 01:12:44 |
Wasserman, David - Editor
WASHINGTON, TOO. IF YOU WANT TO -- AND THERE ARE SOME STATES THAT DO THIS -- YOU COULD EXPLICITLY PUT THIS UNDER A STATE CONSTITUTION. >> I THINK THAT...
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| 01:15:10 |
Earls, Anita - Executive Director
INTO DRAWING THESE LINES? IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. HOW COULD WE IMPROVE THEM INSTEAD OF TAKING THEM TO THE COURTS? >> GO TO PUBLICMAPPING.ORG...
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| 01:16:22 |
McDonald, Michael P. - Senior Fellow
ARE NOT KNOWING WHAT IS POSSIBLE. WE GOT PEOPLE INVOLVED BY DOING MORE THAN JUST COMING INTO A PUBLIC HEARING. >> ANITA MAKES IT A GOOD POINT. STATES...
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| 01:17:52 |
Ornstein, Norman J. - Resident Scholar
10 YEARS FROM NOW, A MODEST PROPOSAL WOULD BE, CAN WE GET BETTER DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO BEST SERVE THE REPRESENTATIONAL NEEDS OF
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| 01:18:02 |
Wasserman, David - Editor
COMMUNITIES WITHIN A GIVEN JURISDICTION, STATE, WELL IN ADVANCE OF REDISTRICTING. >> THE WISCONSIN CASE IS INTERESTING. YOU MENTIONED PAUL RYAN'S SEAT....
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| 01:18:56 |
McDonald, Michael P. - Senior Fellow
HAS SO MUCH APPETITE FOR DEALING WITH REDISTRICTING. ONCE THEY SEE THE MATTER IS RESOLVED, IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON. >> WE HAVE THREE WEEKS UNTIL THESE...
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| 01:19:48 |
Mann, Thomas E. - Senior Fellow
HAVE COMPLETELY UP AND IN THAT PROCESS THIS TIME. NOW THE STATES GET TO MOVE FIRST AND THEN THE PRECINCTS AND LOCALITIES CAN MOVE AFTER. THERE ARE LOTS...
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| 01:20:39 |
Earls, Anita - Executive Director
I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT LATINOS. SOME OF THE CONCERN WE ARE HAVING WITH DRAWING MAPS -- UTILIZING THE TEST. COULD YOU SPEAK TO...
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| 01:23:02 |
McDonald, Michael P. - Senior Fellow
THE PRACTICE TO TEXAS, THAT THESE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES LAST 10 YEARS. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK, NOTWITHSTANDING VARIOUS INDICTMENTS, THAT ANYONE IS GOING...
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| 01:24:43 |
Mann, Thomas E. - Senior Fellow
AFTER THIS REDISTRICTING. WE COULD SEE IT AGAIN IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS IN NEW YORK. >> IS THAT GOOD OR BAD? >> I THINK WE JUST NEED GOOD DISTRICTS...
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| 01:27:09 |
McDonald, Michael P. - Senior Fellow
IF THE THESIS IS THAT WE ARE REDISTRICTING WITH OUR FEET, THAT IT IS ABOUT OUR MIGRATION PATTERNS ITSELF, HOW DOES THE COMMISSION-DRIVEN, LESS-POLITICALLY...
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| 01:29:28 |
Wasserman, David - Editor
YOU LOOK AT NORTH DAKOTA, YES, THEY BECOME MORE REPUBLICAN. BUT WHAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT OUR THESE DENSELY SUBURBAN AREAS WHERE MOST OF THE POPULATION...
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| 01:30:21 |
McDonald, Michael P. - Senior Fellow
SIDE. SO WE HAVE YOUR MARGINAL DISTRICTS, WHEN IT COMES TO PARTISANSHIP, THAN EVER BEFORE. >> YOU COULD DRAW THE DISTRICT'S TO SHOW THAT THEY FOLLOW...
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| 01:31:01 |
Wasserman, David - Editor
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT COUNTY, IT IS A BATTLEGROUND COUNTED. IT IS SLIGHTLY BLUE, IT WENT READ IT IN THE GOVERNOR'S ELECTION. IF YOU WERE JUST DRAWN...
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| 01:31:22 |
McDonald, Michael P. - Senior Fellow
I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT MAKES IT HARDER -- NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO DRAW COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS -- BUT OVER ALL, THE SORTING THAT WE HAVE SEEN MAKES IT HARDER....
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| 01:31:52 |
Mann, Thomas E. - Senior Fellow
THROUGH GOLF COURSES -- THAT IS THE SORT OF THING THAT YOU COULD UNDUE. >> THIS EXCHANGE ALONE WAS WORTH THE PRICE OF ADMISSION, BUT WE HAVE NOT ANSWERED...
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| 01:32:32 |
Wasserman, David - Editor
DEPOLITIZIZING THINGS, WILL THAT IN SOME WAY COUNTER THE EXTREME POLARIZATION OF THE PARTIES AND LEGISLATURES? >> THERE IS SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT MENTIONED...
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| 01:33:04 |
Ornstein, Norman J. - Resident Scholar
YOU HAVE A COMMISSION THAT IS BLIND TO POLITICAL DATA, THEY MIGHT DRAW 5 OR 10 DISTRICTS THAT ARE COMPETITIVE OUT OF THE PARTIESY'S 53. NOW EVEN FIVE...
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| 01:35:32 |
Mann, Thomas E. - Senior Fellow
FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL, WHETHER THE PANEL COULD SPEAK TWO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS OF DOING THIS, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION, AT- LARGE DISTRICTS...
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| 01:36:37 |
McDonald, Michael P. - Senior Fellow
THAT IS THE IMMEDIATE BARRIER TO THIS. BUT I SAY THE MORE TALK ABOUT THESE BROADER, STRUCTURAL ALTERNATIVES, THE MORE INFORMED THIS DISCUSSION WILL BE....
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| 01:36:51 |
Earls, Anita - Executive Director
YOU DO NOT QUITE COMPLETE ESCAPE FROM GERRYMANDERING, EVEN IN MULTI DISTRICT SYSTEMS. IT JUST HAS LESS OF AN IMPACT ON THE ELECTIONS IN THOSE COUNTRIES....
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| 01:37:23 |
McDonald, Michael P. - Senior Fellow
OF AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN ONE. IT DECOUPLES RESIDENTS FROM GEOGRAPHIC POLITICAL STANCE. IT COULD MEAN MORE OF A MULTIPLICITY OF THE POINTS AT THE TABLE,...
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| 01:37:42 |
Wasserman, David - Editor
HAVE PR SYSTEMS TEND TO BE EVEN MORE POLARIZED THAN THE U.S. >>
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| 01:37:52 |
Mann, Thomas E. - Senior Fellow
THE ONLY CERTAINTY TODAY, EVEN A SINGLE REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACIES -- THEY'RE LAUGHING AT US RIGHT NOW FOR THIS VERY DISCUSSION. >> INDEED. EVEN AMONG...
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