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APOLOGIZE TO THE WITNESSES FOR THAT LONG RECESS. OUR FIRST WITNESS IS THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR THE STUDY OF AFRICA, AN ORGANIZATION THAT REPRESENTS MORE...
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| 00:03:29 |
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SAID. MITH. THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU TO DISCUSS THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE FAILED STATE OF SOMALIA AND THE POLICY OF AMERICA TOWARD...
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| 00:11:37 |
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S MITH. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO TESTIFY TODAY. MY REMARKS WILL EXPLORE THE BID FALLS AND POSSIBLE BENEFITS -- THE PITFALLS AND POSSIBLE BENEFITS...
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| 00:16:51 |
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TESTIMONY. DR. MURPHY, PLEASE PROCEED. >> THANK YOU FOR INVITING
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| 00:16:58 |
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ME TO GIVE EVIDENCE ON THE CONCERNS INVOLVING SOMALIA. I EXPERTISE LIES IN THE AREA OF PIRACY AND MARITIME CRIME. I HAVE A PREPARED STATEMENT. I WOULD...
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| 00:22:40 |
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ONLY ENTITY WITH ANY CLAIM TO SPEAK FOR SOMALIA. IF IT CANNOT MAKE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS BY THE END OF THE EXTENDED MANDATE, IT IS DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE...
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| 00:27:24 |
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ARE 400 HOSTAGES. I WONDER IF YOU CAN TELL THE SUBCOMMITTEE HOW THEY ARE TREATED? WHAT IS THE AVERAGE STAY OF INCARCERATION. I DO NOT KNOW HOW ELSE TO...
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| 00:27:46 |
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YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THERE ARE ABOUT 450 HOSTAGES CURRENTLY. LENGTH OF THE STATE HAS INCREASED. IT IS ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS. THAT IS IS BECAUSE OF...
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| 00:29:31 |
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BEEN REPORTS OF SEXUAL ABUSE? ARE WOMEN AMONG THOSE DETAINEES? >> THERE WAS ONE
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| 00:29:41 |
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WOMAN DETAINEES. THERE WAS NO REPORT OF ANY SEXUAL HARASSMENT -- THERE WAS ONE WOMAN DETAINED. THERE ARE FEW WOMEN IN THE INTERNATIONAL CREWING BUSINESS....
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| 00:30:12 |
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THE EXPERIENCE OF THOSE MEN AND A WOMAN ONCE THEY ARE BACK HOME? ARE THERE ANY SIGNS OF PSTSD? >> GIVEN THE
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| 00:30:26 |
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WAY THE INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING INDUSTRY WORKS, THERE IS LITTLE MONITORING OF WHAT HAPPENS AFTERWARDS. THERE IS NO HARD EVIDENCE AS TO WHAT IS HAPPENING...
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| 00:31:22 |
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THE SOMALI DIASPORA CAN BE PART OF THE SOLUTION IN SOMALIA. YOUNG SOMALIS ARE JOINING AL SHABAAB ON THE BATTLEFIELD. DO WE HAVE A SENSE AS TO HOW MANY...
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| 00:32:01 |
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AROUND 30 FROM THE UNITED STATES. LARGER NUMBERS HAVE GONE BACK FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM. I SAW A FIGURE OF ONE DOESN'T FROM SWEET AND AND SMALL NUMBERS...
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| 00:33:28 |
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FOR THE DUAL-TRACK. YOU SAID IT IS LESS HARMFUL THAN THE OTHER POLICIES. I WONDER IF YOU MIGHT WANT TO SPEAK TO HOW WELL YOU MIGHT THINK DUAL TRACK IS...
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| 00:33:47 |
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THINK THE DUAL-TRACK POLICY HAS YET TO GET OUT OF THE GROUND. IN THEORY, IT COULD WORK WELL. THAT WILL REQUIRE THE U.S. TO USE A LIGHT FOOTPRINT AND...
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| 00:35:19 |
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OUT THE DUAL-TRACK STRATEGY. IT IS A MOVEMENT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. WE NEED TO FLESH IT OUT IN TERMS OF DISTINCTIONS IN THE SECONDARY TRACK BETWEEN...
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| 00:36:17 |
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ONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DUAL-TRACK STRATEGY TAKE ROOT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE GOING TO FIND OUT IN THE COMING WEEKS AS THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT...
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| 00:38:55 |
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COLLEAGUE'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE NEEDS IN THE PIRACY AREA. IT IS IMPORTANT WE DO NOT COUPLE DEVELOPMENT AID WITH THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN A BAD BOY...
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| 00:39:16 |
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A COUPLE OF FINAL QUESTIONS AND THEN I WILL YIELD TO MY COLLEAGUE. MS. BRUTON, YOU SAID IT WAS TIME TO REVISIT THE TERRITORIES THAT ARE NOT GETTING THE...
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| 00:41:42 |
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SMITH. I AM GRATEFUL TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS QUESTION. BUT MEMORY DIFFERS FROM SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES'. THE SOMALIS WERE COLLECTING FEES...
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| 00:43:35 |
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THE AFRICAN MISSION IN SOMALIA, I WOULD LIKE TO A KNOWLEDGE ITS PERFORMANCE HAS IMPROVED A GREAT DEAL IN THE LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF INCREASED TRAINING BY...
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| 00:46:41 |
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ME INTERVENE AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE. YOU COME DURING A DIFFICULT TIME. WE HAVE AN APPROPRIATIONS VOTED OCCURRING. I APOLOGIZE THAT I HAVE...
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| 00:48:31 |
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TRY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I HAVE WORKED ON SOMALI AFFAIRS GOING BACK TO THE 1960'S. I THINK WHAT THE UNITED STATES IS FACING -- YOU QUITE ATHLEAPLY...
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| 00:50:21 |
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THANK YOU. I APPROACHED THE ISSUE OF SOMALIA FROM THE SEA AND MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL MARITIME COMMONS AND MIND -- OUR ABILITY TO MAINTAIN...
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| 00:52:03 |
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LIMITED RANGE OF REASONS FOR BEING IN SOMALIA. IT HAS BEEN COMMON SENSE THAT BECAUSE IT IS A SECURITY VACUUM THAT IT IS A TERRORIST THREAT. AFTER THE...
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| 00:54:25 |
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MY COLLEAGUES SENTIMENTS. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT NOT ONLY THE THREAT THAT EMANATES FROM THERE, WHICH DOES AFFECT OUR WAY...
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| 00:56:39 |
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TERMS OF PULLING BACK AND SEEING THE LARGER PICTURE AS TO BOTH OF THE REASONS FOR CONCERN, WHETHER THEY MANIFEST THEMSELVES IN MARITIME STABILITY, THE...
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| 00:57:43 |
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WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. I AGREED WITH ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS THAT IT IS QUITE TRUE THAT IF YOU GO BACK TO THE EARLY 1990'S COMING WE HAVE --...
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| 00:58:45 |
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U.S. ENGAGEMENT AS THE REASON. DO YOU AGREE? >> ONLY
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| 00:58:49 |
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PARTIALLY. THE NEXT UP IN ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO 1998 AND THE BOMBINGS OF THE U.S. EMBASSY, AND IT TURNS DARK THAT SEVERAL OF THE KEY FACTORS HAD SUPPORT...
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| 01:00:53 |
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IS THAT PURELY IDEOLOGICAL? RELIGIOUS IDEOLOGY? >> IT IS HARD TO
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| 01:01:01 |
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KNOW WHETHER IT IS A MARRIAGE OF CONVENIENCE. THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A LONG TERM LINKS BETWEEN YEMEN AND SOMALIA. IT GOES BACK CENTURIES. THIS IS NOTHING...
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| 01:01:34 |
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CANNOT. I AM AFRAID THAT I WOULD BE GETTING INTO AN AREA WHERE I DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED INFORMATION, INCLUDING THE ANNOUNCEMENT YESTERDAY...
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| 01:02:45 |
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IS THAT PROBLEM AS WELL. >> ONE MORE
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| 01:02:48 |
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QUESTION ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR THE AFRICAN UNION FOR STABILIZATION PURPOSES. IS IT MINIMAL? WHAT IS THE PROJECTION? >> THE AFRICAN UNION
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| 01:03:03 |
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FORCES, WHEN THEY WENT IN THERE, THEY WENT IN WITHOUT A CLEAR STRATEGY OTHER THAN A BROAD MANDATE TO BE PEACEKEEPERS AND PROTECT OF THE GOVERNMENT....
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| 01:03:33 |
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YES. THEY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH TO HOLD THAT WHICH PRESUPPOSES A TRAINED SOMALI FORCE WHICH A OUT OF NINE HAVE DESERTED. SECOND, YOU NEED A POLITICAL STRATEGY....
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| 01:05:33 |
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THIS -- IF THIS IS A RELIGIOUS IDEOLOGY OR SOME RESTRAINT ACT -- STRANGE NATIONALISM THAT WE CANNOT AGREE WITH OR IS THIS SOMETHING ELSE? CONVENIENCE?...
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| 01:05:53 |
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AND NATIONALISM, BUT THE IDEOLOGY IS CLEARLY THERE. MOST OF THEM ARE VETERANS OF JIHAD IN SOUTH ASIA, KASHMIR, PAKISTAN, INDONESIA. SOME OF THE COMMANDERS...
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| 01:06:11 |
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THE MAGNITUDE OR SIZE OF THIS PROBLEM? >> THE SIZE OF AL
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| 01:06:16 |
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SHABAAB SHIFTS. YOU HAVE THE CORE GROUP THEN YOU HAVE THE MILITIAS WHICH SWITCH ALLEGIANCE VERY QUICKLY DEPENDING ON CIRCUMSTANCES AND HAPPENSTANCE....
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| 01:06:56 |
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COULD ADD, I HAVE DONE RESEARCH ON THE ISSUE OF PARTICULARLY THE FOREIGN ELEMENT IN AL SHABAAB AND THE STRENGTH OF THE ORGANIZATION. NO ONE KNOWS OTHER...
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| 01:08:57 |
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WITH THE PRIVACY ISSUE? OR IS THAT A RANDOM CRIMINAL ACTIVITY? >> THAT CONTINUES
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| 01:09:07 |
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TO BE SEARCHED FOR. THE PIRATES ARE CRIMINALS. THEY ARE INSPIRED SIMPLY FOR THE NEED FOR MONEY. AL SHABAAB IS IN THE CORE LEADERSHIP AND THEY ARE IDEOLOGICALLY...
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| 01:10:38 |
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ON TO THAT, CONGRESSMAN? I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING DR. MURPHY SAID. THERE IS A FASCINATING PIECE THERE REUTERS DID YESTERDAY THAT CLAIMS TO DOCUMENT PAYMENTS...
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| 01:11:05 |
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POINT SOMETHING OUT? IT CONCERNS ME SO MUCH THAT WE ARE USING THE WORD "AL SHABAAB" AS A SINGULARITY. IT IS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT PROBABLY 90% OR...
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| 01:13:14 |
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SITUATION AND ONE WHERE GOVERNING STRUCTURES ARE WEAK OR COLLAPSING AND OTHER FORCES, WHETHER THEY BE NATIONAL, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, ARE FILLING THE SPACE...
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.