| 00:00:16 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NEXT BUSINESS, WHICH IS THE MOTION ON WILD ANIMALS IN CIRCUSES. I HAVE TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE SPEAKER HAS NOT SELECTED THE AMENDMENT AND I THEREFORE CALL...
|
| 00:00:37 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
DEPUTY SPEAKER. I'M GRATEFUL TO BRING THAT TO THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK...
|
| 00:01:26 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
VERY GRATEFUL. CAN HE CONFIRM THAT THE CONSERVATIVE COLLEAGUES ARE IN FAVOR OF HELPING THE LYONS AND TIGERS ARE ACTUALLY NOT JUST BEING PUT UNDER...
|
| 00:01:59 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OF MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE SUPPORT A BAN ON WILD ANIMALS IN SERVICES. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PRIME MINISTER. HE CAN SPEAK FOR HYMN. IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING...
|
| 00:02:54 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HONORABLE GENTLEMAN FOR GIVING WAY. ON HIS POINT FOR THE GOVERNMENT WANTING TO REASSERT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS HOUSE CAN HE THEREFORE EXPLAIN WHY THE...
|
| 00:03:23 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ACCURATE AND PERSONAL POINT. IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THOSE PARTICULAR POINTS LATER ON IN MY REMARKS. I DO WANT TO FOCUS ON THE INTERESTING LAST...
|
| 00:06:15 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO GET ON TO IS SUBSTANCE OF THE DEBATE, RATHER THAN DEBATING MY FRIEND. >>
|
| 00:06:24 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ORDER. ORDER. I KNOW MR. PRITCHARD IS GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE SUBSTANCE. >>
|
| 00:06:37 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IS THERE ANYTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE MEMBER OF THE HOUSE BEING ABLE TO SPEAK AS HE WISHES AND NOT BEING THREATENED AND INTIMIDATED. >> WE'RE
|
| 00:06:45 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HERE TODAY TO DEBATE THE MOTION BEFORE THE HOUSE. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE NOW GOING TO PROCEED TO DO. >> THANK YOU,
|
| 00:06:52 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER. TODAY THIS COUNTRY HAS THREE TRAVELING CIRCUS. 39 WILD ANIMALS IN TOTAL, ZEBRAS, TIGERS, LIONS, CAMELS, AND UP UNTIL RECENTLY,...
|
| 00:17:13 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
QUESTION IS AS ON THE ORDER PAPER. THERE IS A SIX-MINUTE LIMIT ON BACK BENCH CONTRIBUTIONS AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE IS A VERY POPULAR DEBATE. MR. JIM...
|
| 00:17:24 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HERE. HERE. >> I'M VERY PLEASED
|
| 00:17:27 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
INDEED TO FOLLOW THE HONORABLE GENTLEMAN. I CONGRATULATE HIM. I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT HE'S IN THE RUNNING OF BACK BENCH OF THE MONTH WITH HIS CHIEF WHIP...
|
| 00:19:04 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
RESPONSIBILITIES I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IN THE LAST PART WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH THE ANIMAL WELFARE ACT AND GETTING PAST THE LEGISLATION....
|
| 00:19:24 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
A VERY GOOD QUESTION, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER. I COMMAND TO THE 2006 ACT. THE 2006 ACT AS I UNDERSTAND IT COULD BE THE ENABLING LEGISLATION TO INTRODUCE...
|
| 00:21:53 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BOARD MEMBER FOR GIVING WAY. HE WAS A GOOD MINISTER. DOES HE REGRET THAT HE DIDN'T INTRODUCE A BAN IN HIS TIME AS A MINISTER? >> I REKBRET THAT WE DIDN'T...
|
| 00:22:05 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
A GOVERNMENT INTRODUCE A BAN. HOWEVER, THE ANIMAL WELFARAGE WAS A MAJOR PIECE OF LEGISLATION AND WE DID TRY OUR BEST, BUT GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS THE...
|
| 00:25:11 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HONESTY AND TRANSPARENCY IN THE LAWS AND REGULATIONS WE INTRODUCE AND WE WANT CLARITY AND NOT CONFUSIONS. THE PUBLIC MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER AND BY THE...
|
| 00:25:44 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ANIMAL WELFARE MATTERS TO BRITISH PEOPLE ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. BUT WE IN THIS HOUSE HAVE THE DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON FACTS,...
|
| 00:27:17 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SOME PROGRESS AND THEN I'LL GIVE WAY. I INSTEAD OF BASING MY VIEWS PURELY ON WHAT -- ARE BORN AND BRED GENERATIONS INTO THE CIRCUS. THE ENTIRE RHYTHM...
|
| 00:29:18 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ONCE AGAIN NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR THE FACTS -- THAT THEY DON'T. THEY DON'T. I HAVE -- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER. >> KEEP GOING. >> I AM FED UP
|
| 00:29:29 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WITH ANIMALS BEING USED AS A POLITICAL FUTBOL. TO YOU WANT TO CAMPAIGN FOR ANIMAL WELFARE, IF YOU WANT TO CAMPAIGN FOR ANIMAL WELFARE LOOK AT FACTS...
|
| 00:29:58 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SO PERSISTENT REQUESTS ARE REALLY NOT HELPING THE SITUATION. I'M SURE HE WILL LET THE HOUSE KNOW WHEN HE'S READY TO TAKE AN INTERVENTION. >> I'M
|
| 00:30:10 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BEING SHOUTED DOWN I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY FAIR ESPECIALLY FOR A GREEN MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT. I AM A CHAMPION FOR ANIMAL WELFARE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO...
|
| 00:30:58 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MEMBER FOR GIVING WAY. THE HONORABLE MEMBER SAYS HE WANTS SCIENCE. I QUOTE, THE WELFARE NEEDS OF NONDOMESTICATED WILD ANIMALS CANNOT BE MET WITHIN...
|
| 00:31:22 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NONDOMESTICATED. THESE ARE WILE ANIMALS. WHEN YOU HAVE LIONS AND TIGERS THAT ARE TENTH GENERATION BORN IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, YOU'RE NO LONGER TALKING A...
|
| 00:32:34 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE HONORABLE GENTLEMAN GIVING WAY. I WONDER IF HE CAN GIVE VIEWS AS TO WHETHER THIRD GENERATION SLAVES IN THE UNITED STATES BORN INTO SLAVERY WERE CONTENT...
|
| 00:32:50 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SAY THAT THE DEBATE IS BEING DRAGGED TO SUCH A LEVEL. INSTEAD OF THE FACTS. YOU ARE ULTIMATELY SAYING THAT ANIMALS -- ORDER. ORDER. >> ONCE
|
| 00:33:06 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AGAIN, I CAN SEE THAT EMOTIONS ARE RUNNING HIGH. I REMIND THE HOUSE WHEN YOU SAY YOU, YOU MEAN ME, SO PLEASE. >> I KNEW THAT MY VIEWS WOULD
|
| 00:33:18 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BE UNPOPULAR. BUT, PLEASE, I ASK HONORABLE MEMBERS TO PERHAPS TAKE SOMETHING AWAY FROM WHAT I'M SAYING BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN ANIMAL WELFARE PASSIONATELY....
|
| 00:34:35 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AS ID YODIC. TO SAY THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT THE WELFARE OF ANIMALS IS EITHER A DISPLAY OF STUPIDITY WHICH IS QUITE MIND NUMBING OR A CLISHT ATTEMPT...
|
| 00:35:13 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSENCE OF -- I THINK HE NEEDS TO NOT BE TOO HASH ON MY HONORABLE FRIEND. THE HONORABLE MEMBER DID WRITE FORWARDS FOR THE GREAT BRITISH CIRCUS. PERHAPS...
|
| 00:35:37 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT INTERVENTION. I SUSPECT THE MEMBER IS ON TO SOMETHING THERE. WHAT I'M ALSO PUZZLED BY IS THIS IS A RELATIVELY MINOR ISSUE. SOMEWHERE...
|
| 00:37:17 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MENTIONED THE CONDITIONS IF WHICH THEY'RE KEPT. IN TERMS OF FACTS THE USUAL LIFE EXPECTANCY OF AP MALLS KEPT IN THESE CONDITIONS FALLS WAY SHORT COMPARED...
|
| 00:37:50 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
DOESN'T MEAN THE EVIDENCE DOESN'T EXIST. AND JUST THIS ONCE -- >> COULD HE SPOT WHAT
|
| 00:37:59 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE FACTS WERE THAT WE WERE BEING ASKED TO LISTEN TO, I MISSED ALL OF THOSE. THERE SEEMS TO BE FACTS RAISED BY THE HONORABLE LADY. >> I THINK
|
| 00:38:10 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE HONORABLE GENTLEMAN HAS IT EXACTLY RIGHT THERE. PERHAPS WE CAN HAVE A PRIZE FOR ANYONE WHO CAN MINE A SINGLE FACT OUT OF IT. DON'T SEND IT TO ME...
|
| 00:39:45 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ISN'T IT A FACT THAT ZOOS HAVE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THE RESEARCH TO FIND OUT WHICH KIND OF FACILITIES SHOIB AVAILABLE. IT'S QUITE CLEAR THAT CIRCUSES...
|
| 00:40:00 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THAT ZOOS, ACTUALLY, IF YOU SPEAK TO THOSE INVOLVED WITH ZOO ARE LOOKING VERY CAREFULLY NOW AT THE KINDS OF ANIMALS THAT THEY WILL ACTUALLY EXHIBIT....
|
| 00:42:43 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE CONSERVATIVE COALITION GOVERNMENT HAS SEEN THE SENSE, HEARD THE VOICE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE AND ARE NOW ALLOWED A FREE VOTE. >>...
|
| 00:43:00 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ORWELL, THERE ARE FREE VOTES AND FREE VOTES. SOME VOTES ARE MORE FREE THAN OTHERS. THERE'S A GREAT DEAL MORE TO BE SAID ON THIS ISSUE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY...
|
| 00:43:14 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BE CALLED IN THIS DEBATE. I DO FIND IT RATHER SAD THAT WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE AFTER SO MUCH TIME PARTICULARLY BACK IN 2009 WHEN OFFICIALS...
|
| 00:45:25 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
DEPUTY SPEAK, I'M GRATEFUL FOR GIVING WAY. I'M SURE HE'S RIGHT ABOUT ARTICLE EIGHT OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT. AT NO TIME I HAVE RERED TO THE ARTICLE...
|
| 00:45:40 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
I STAND CORRECTED. THAT ALLOWS ME TO MOVE MY ARTICLE ON. THAT A BAN ON ANIMALS ALSO WOULDN'T BE IN CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD BE CAPABLE OF INTERFERING WITH...
|
| 00:47:28 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
FOR GIVING WAY. IN THE UK OVER 200 LOCAL AUTHORITY HAVES BANS ON ANIMALS IN CIRCUS. >> OF COURSE
|
| 00:47:56 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IT'S COUNTRIES INCLUDING AWE STROE YA, KOREA, FINLAND, GREECE, PORTUGAL, SPAIN AND SWEDE EN. ALL THESE COUNTRIES HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE THIS APPROACH,...
|
| 00:48:29 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
I WOULD SUGGEST IS OTHERS HAVE ALREADY URGED, WE TAKE A LEAD UPON THIS MATTER. I'VE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT THIS WEEK. I HAVE TO...
|
| 00:50:15 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MANY COMMENTS FROM MANY OF OUR COLLEAGUES. I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID. I RISE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION THAT WE'RE...
|
| 00:52:09 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MY HONORABLE FRIEND. SHE IS INDEED TO BE COMMEND FOR THE WORK THAT SHE'S DONE ON ANIMAL WELFARE IN THE LAST PARLIAMENT AND IN THIS ONE. ISN'T IT...
|
| 00:52:31 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HAS CLARIFIED THE POSITION THAT IT IS THE CASE. IT IS VERY STRAIGHT FORWARD. IT CAN BE DONE BECAUSE OF THE GROUND WORK THAT WAS DONE IN THE ANIMAL...
|
| 00:53:19 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THIS DEBATE THERE WILL BE MANY POINTS TO BE SCORED. DOES SHE NOT ACCEPT THERE IS A GATHERING CONSENSUS AND CERTAINLY AN INDICATION FROM THE GOVERNMENT...
|
| 00:53:47 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WANT TO SAY TODAY IS A DEFINITIVE DECISION TAKEN. WE WANT TO SEE THAT DECISION IN FAVOR OF A BAN AND WE WANT TO SEE THE BAN IMPLEMENTED WITHOUT ...
|
| 00:55:23 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
COME TO EXPECT THAT ANIMALS WILL LIVE IN THEIR NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS AND THAT WE DON'T EXPECT THEM TO SURVIVE FOR THE BENEFITS OF HUMAN BEINGS AND THEIR
|
| 00:55:33 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SBRIRMT. >> ABSOLUTELY. IT IS PURELY A SELFISH IDEA THAT NEBRASKA WOULD WANT TO SEE AN ANIMAL PERFORM IN THE CIRCUS AS MY HONORABLE FRIEND AS POINTED...
|
| 00:56:37 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF WILD ANIMAL. I FOUND A BEAR IN A CAGE IN NO MAN'S LAND. HE HAD BEEN LEFT THERE FOR FOUR WEEKS WITHOUT...
|
| 00:57:28 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MOVED ON. SOCIETY'S MOVED ON. WE CERTAINLY DO NOT EXPECT TO SEE THE CRUELTY OF ANIMALS IN CIRCUSES IN THIS DAY AND AGE. SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO...
|
| 00:58:15 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN WHAT'S AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT MOTION. I CONGRATULATE THE HONORABLE MEMBER FOR SECURING THIS IMPORTANT DEBATE. I THINK...
|
| 01:00:15 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ISN'T A PROBLEM WITH LICENSING AS WELL IT DOESN'T DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF WELFARE OF ANIMALS. ANIMALS WILL STILL BE TRAVELING AND KEPT IN UNACCEPTABLE...
|
| 01:00:30 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO MAKE THAT VERY POINT. OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS THERE'S BEEN A DRAMATIC REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF WILD ANIMALS IN CIRCUSES. I NOW THINK THERE ARE...
|
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.