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ON "Q&A" -- PART TWO OF OUR CONVERSATION WITH HISTORIAN DAVID MCCULLOUGH. HIS BOOK IS CALLED "THE GREATER JOURNEY: AMERICANS IN PARIS." IT'S THE STORY...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
AUTHOR OF THE GREATER JOURNEY OF AMERICANS IN PARIS IN THE 1800 OZZ. OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE YOU WROTE ABOUT IN THIS BOOK, WHO WOULD YOU NOT WANT TO...
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McCullough, David - Historian
I WILL TELL YOU WHY. THIS BOOK IS DIFFERENT FOR ME IN FORM THAN ANYTHING I HAVE EVER DONE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE WRITING A BIOGRAPHY OR YOU'RE WRITING...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
CHARACTERS IN THE BOOK, WHICH ONE HAS THE MOST TO SEE IN THE UNITED STATES, IN OTHER WORDS, A HOME, A MUSEUM OR SOMETHING YOU CAN SEE THEIR WORK OR...
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McCullough, David - Historian
MY OPINION AND IN AN OPINION OF A NUMBER OF OTHERS IS THE GREATEST AMERICAN EXULTER MAYBE OF THE 19TH CENTURY, MAYBE EVER. HIS MOST FAMOUS WORK IS THE...
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McCullough, David - Historian
MEMORIAL, IN ROCK CREEK CEMETERY, WHICH IS FOR THE WIFE OF HENRY ADAMS, WHICH IS A VERY MYSTERIOUS SCULPTORAL WORK, WHICH REMAINS CONSTANTLY OF...
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McCullough, David - Historian
HIS FATHER. HIS FATHER FOUNDED THE TOWN AND HE GREW UP THERE. >> JOHN SINGER-SERGEANT
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Lamb, Brian - Host
FOR A MOMENT. LET'S TALK ABOUT HIM. >> THERE HE IS. >> WHAT WAS HIS AGE? >> JOHN SINGER SARGEANT
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McCullough, David - Historian
WAS A SENIOR SERGEANT. HE WAS A NOTABLE, ASTONISHLY GIFTED PAINTER WHEN HE WAS STILL 18, YET 18. HE PAINTED SEVERAL OF HIS MAJOR MASTERPIECES WHEN...
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McCullough, David - Historian
FROM PENNSYLVANIA WHO DECIDED SHE WASN'T JUST GOING TO BE A WOMAN WHO PAINTS BUT SHE WAS GOING TO BE A PAINTER. THAT'S HER SELF-PORTRAIT, A BEAUTIFUL...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
ONE BUT WHO -- WHO ARE THE ONES THAT HAD THE MOST INTERESTING PERSONAL STORIES, RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR WIVES AND CHILDREN AND ALL OF THAT WHEN THEY...
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McCullough, David - Historian
WAYS ST. GAUDINS IS THE MOST INTERESTING PERSONAL STORY. IMMIGRANT SHOEMAKER'S SON IN NEW YORK WHO WAS PUT TO WORK WHEN HE WAS 13 YEARS OLD CUTTING...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
THAT QUESTION. WHAT IS THE BOSE ART? >> THE BOSE ART IS
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McCullough, David - Historian
SCHOOL OF ART, ARCHITECTURE AND SCULPTOR IN PARIS ON THE LEFT BANK. STILL THERE, SAME PLACE WHERE HE WENT. HE WAS ADMITTED AS A STUDENT IN SCULPTOR...
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McCullough, David - Historian
OH, YES, INDEED. BOTH TO WORK WITH THE LETTERS FROM DARTMOUTH AND TO THE SITE AT CORNISH. >> HOW MANY -- I KNOW
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Lamb, Brian - Host
YOU STATED YOU USED INFORMATION FROM OVER 30 DIFFERENT INSTITUTIONS IN THE UNITED STATES, HOW MANY DIFFERENT PLACES DID YOU PHYSICALLY GO? >> JUST ABOUT...
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McCullough, David - Historian
THEM. HARVARD, YALE, COLLECTIONS IN BOSTON, COLLECTIONS IN NEW YORK, COLLECTIONS HERE IN WASHINGTON. >> AND CHICAGO. >> CHICAGO. >> HOW MANY TIMES...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
TIMES DID YOU GO TO PARIS IN THE MIDDLE OF WRITING THIS? >> WE WOULD GO AT LEAST ONCE
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McCullough, David - Historian
A YEAR SO FOUR TIMES AND WE WOULD STAY ABOUT TWO WEEKS OR SO. THE RESEARCH WAS ALMOST ALL HERE, BRIAN, BECAUSE THE LETTERS ARE HERE, DIARIES ARE HERE....
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McCullough, David - Historian
LIBRARY OF CONGRESS HAS THE COMPLETE SET OF ALL OF THOSE NEWSPAPERS AND THEY'RE INVALUABLE. AND IT IS STILL A BOOK SHOP IN PARIS ON THE RIVER ITALY....
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McCullough, David - Historian
AN ITALIAN FROM ENGLAND WHO STARTED THE NEWSPAPER. IT WASN'T AN AMERICAN PAPER. IT WAS ENGLISH LANGUAGE INITIALLY FOR ENGLAND BUT EVERY AMERICAN...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
OF THAT DID YOU READ? >>
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McCullough, David - Historian
ENORMOUS AMOUNT. I WOULD GUESS THAT WHAT GOES INTO A BOOK IS 1/20 OF WHAT HAS BEEN READ. SO THAT I READ -- I DON'T KNOW, HOW TO QUANTIFY IT, HUNDREDS...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
OR GO TO THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS? >> I WOULD DO IT
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McCullough, David - Historian
AT THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS WITH SOMEONE WHO WORKS WITH ME OR MIGHT TAKE TRANSCRIPTIONS OF IT FROM THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS, TYPICALLY TRANSCRIPTION OF...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
ASK YOU A QUESTION. YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO ANSWER BUT I WILL ASK IT ANYWAY. YOU HAVE WRITTEN, WHAT, TEN BOOKS -- >> NINE. >> NINE BOOKS. >> YEAH....
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Lamb, Brian - Host
THINK THIS BOOK IS GOING TO DO? >> I DON'T
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McCullough, David - Historian
MIND ANSWERING THAT AT ALL BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE NEVER KNOWN HOW ANY BOOK WHAT DO. >> WHAT WAS YOUR BIGGEST? >> "JOHN ADAMS." >> SECOND BIGGEST?...
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McCullough, David - Historian
NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE. "1776" MIGHT BE. I HAVE NEVER SCHACHT DOWN AND THOUGHT, WHAT -- HOW WILL THIS SELL, OR WHAT DO PEOPLE WANT TO READ ABOUT...
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McCullough, David - Historian
SAID NO TO ME. WHATEVER I WANTED TO DO, THEY SAID FINE. I MAY HAVE TOLD YOU THIS STORY BEFORE, BUT WE'RE OLD FRIENDS. YOU GOT SOME OF THESE STORIES...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
DIFFERENT EDITORS AT SIMON & SCHUSTER? >> YES, I HAVE, THREE
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McCullough, David - Historian
DIFFERENT EDITORS. >> WHAT KIND OF ROLE DO
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Lamb, Brian - Host
THEY PLAY? YOU HAD SO MANY IN YOUR FAMILY READ IT? >> IT'S LIKE LIFE, EACH
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McCullough, David - Historian
HAS CONTRIBUTED CONSTANTLY IN HIS WAY. I'M VERY FOND OF THE PEOPLE AT MY PUBLISHER. A LOT OF AUTHORS DON'T FEEL THAT WAY, BUT I AM. THE REASON I STAY...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
THE WAY YOU WRITE AND WHAT YOU WRITE ON? AND WHAT ABOUT THIS BOOK? YOU SAID YOU WROTE SOME OF IT ON MARTHA'S VINEYARD, SOME OF IT IN MAINE, SOME...
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McCullough, David - Historian
NO, NO, NO. I WORK ON A MANUAL TYPEWRITER. >> STILL? >> STILL. >> TAKE IT WITH YOU? >> TAKE IT
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McCullough, David - Historian
WITH ME. IF IT CAN'T GO, I'M NOT GOING TO WRITE. WHEN I DECIDED I WAS GOING TO TRY TO WRITE A BOOK IN 1965, WE WERE LIVING IN WHILE PLAINS, NEW YORK....
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Lamb, Brian - Host
DO ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE GATHERED, REFERENCES AND ALL OF THAT AND DIARIES, HOW DO YOU DO THAT WHEN YOU TRAVEL? DO YOU HAVE THAT ON A COMPUTER?...
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McCullough, David - Historian
FOLDERS AND I TAKE IT WITH ME. I TAKE WHATEVER CHAPTER, THE MATERIAL FOR PT CHAPTER I'M WORKING ON. SO I PUT IT IN THE CAR, PUT IT IN THE BACK,...
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McCullough, David - Historian
HEART OF THE CITY. IT MEANS THE NEW BRIDGE. IN FACT, IT'S THE OLDEST BRIDGE IN PARIS, 17TH CENTURY. THE WHOLE -- I THINK LISTENING, SMELLING, FEELING...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
DO YOU PLAN TO DO WITH THAT TYPEWRITER? WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE DAVID MCCULLOUGH PAPERS? >> I DON'T
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McCullough, David - Historian
KNOW. I'LL PROBABLY -- I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT YALE WILL -- MY ALMA MATER WILL BE INTERESTED IN THE PAPERS. THE TYPEWRITER, THAT MAY BECOME AN HEIRLOOM...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
THING WHEN YOU GO OUT AND LOOK -- >> OH, YES, INDEED. >> PEOPLE WANT TO SEE YOUR -- >>
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McCullough, David - Historian
YEP. THE TYPEWRITER IS PART OF THE PROCESS FOR ME. >> WHAT ABOUT -- >> JUST LIKE DRIVING AN OLD
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McCullough, David - Historian
CAR YOU HAVE BEEN DRIVING FOR MANY YEARS. >> WHAT
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Lamb, Brian - Host
ABOUT THE LITTLE HOUSE YOU DO ALL OF YOUR WORK IN? >> OH, YES,
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McCullough, David - Historian
RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT, BRIAN, BUT THANK YOU FOR ASKING. >> YEAH, MAYBE I
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Lamb, Brian - Host
CAN GET AN ANSWER SOMEDAY FROM YOU. IN THIS BOOK, A COUPLE PEOPLE YOU WRITE ABOUT ARE FRIENDS, MORE THAN A COUPLE. >> YES. >> YOU HAVE A BIG
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Lamb, Brian - Host
PAINTING ON ONE PAGE OF LAFAYETTE AND ALSO WRITE ABOUT ALISM SIS COMING HERE WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE WAS GOING THERE. >> YES. >> PUT THOSE
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Lamb, Brian - Host
IN CONTEXT. PUT LAFAYETTE IN CONTEXT. >> LAFAYETTE WAS THE
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McCullough, David - Historian
LAST LIVING HERO OF THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AT THE TIME THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WERE STARTING OVER TO PARIS. SEVERAL OF THEM, EMMA WILLARD, SAM UNANIMOUS...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
OF LAFAYETTE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. HOW IMPORTANT WAS HE TO THIS COUNTRY? >> HE WAS VERY IMPORTANT IN
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McCullough, David - Historian
THE SYMBOLISM OF AN ARISK TOE CRAFT, WEALTHY ARISTOCRAT JOINING THE FIGHT AND SOLDIERING ON WITH OUR ARMY. ALSO, OF COURSE, HE WAS VERY SYMBOLIC OF...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
THIS PAINTING, THE WRATH OF MEDUSA. >> DELQUA. >> JERICHO. >> JERICHO'S WRATH OF THE
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McCullough, David - Historian
MEDUS WAS A PAINTING THAT SIMPLY FLOWS, CAPTIVATED, ENTHRALLED AMERICANS FIRST ARRIVING AT THE LOUVRE AND STILL DOES. ONE AMERICAN SWEPT AWAY BY IT...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
AND WHY WAS SHE THERE? >>
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McCullough, David - Historian
FRANKLY TO HIDE AWAY FROM THE PUBLICITY THAT SURROUNDED HER PUBLICATION OF UNCLE TOM'S CABIN. SHE'D BEEN ON A TOUR IN ENGLAND WHERE THE BOOK WAS NOT...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
JOHN ADAMS ENDED UP AS A SERIES ON HBO. >> YES. >> IS THERE A SERIES IN THIS BOOK? >> WELL, THE BOOK HASN'T
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McCullough, David - Historian
BEEN TALKED ABOUT WITH ANY SERIOUS INTENT THAT I KNOW OF YET. >> BUT IN
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Lamb, Brian - Host
YOUR OPINION, IS THERE A STORY HERE? >> I THINK
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SO. BRIAN, I COULD HAVE WRITTEN A WHOLE BOOK ON AT LEAST SEVEN OF THE CHAPTERS IN THIS 14 CHAPTER BOOK. >> GIVE US AN IDEA
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Lamb, Brian - Host
OF WHICH SEVEN. >> THE STORY OF THE
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McCullough, David - Historian
MEDICAL STUDENTS, WHICH IN MANY WAYS FOR ME WAS THE MOST ABSORBING AND EXCITING RESEARCH AND READING FOR THE WHOLE BOOK, WHAT THOSE YUCK HIM -- WHAT THOSE...
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McCullough, David - Historian
STORY SURROUNDING -- SAM SENTMORE COOPER AND SAMUEL F.B. MORRIS AND MORRIS' PAINTING OF THE GALLERY OF THE LOUVRE DURING THE HORRIFIC CHOLERA EPIDEMIC...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
OF PRINT HISTORY ARNE LIE HUGH WASHBURN BUT I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE FRENCH REPUBLICS AND HOW MANY REPUBLICS THERE WERE IN YOUR SEVEN YEARS YOU...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
FRENCH REPUBLICS. I WROTE DOWN THE DATES. >> I THINK THERE WERE TWO. SECOND AND THIRD. >> ONE BETWEEN -- THE
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Lamb, Brian - Host
FIRST ONE IS BETWEEN 1792 AND 1804 AND THE SECOND ONE, THE EMPIRE -- YOU GET LOST. >> YES. >> IN THE
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Lamb, Brian - Host
STORY. AND THE SECOND REPUBLIC WAS 1948 -- 1848-1852. THE THIRD ONE WAS 1870 ALL THE WAY TO 1940. >> YES, THE THREE. >> AND WHAT HAPPENED
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Lamb, Brian - Host
IN FRANCE IN THE 1,800'S, WHAT WAS THE OVERALL STORY, WHAT WENT ON IN THAT COUNTRY? >> WELL, YOU WENT FROM
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McCullough, David - Historian
A KING, HE WAS A SO-CALLED CITIZEN KING, LOUIS PHILIPPE WHO GOT POWER BY A COUP D'ETAT AND THEN HE WAS THROWN OUT BY AN UPRISING AND ESCAPED WITH HIS...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
AMERICANS YOU WROTE ABOUT DIED IN PARIS? >>
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McCullough, David - Historian
RELATIVELY FEW. SOME DIED THERE BECAUSE THEY DECIDED THEY WOULD STAY, MARY CASSETT DIED IN FRANCE, SHE NEVER REALLY CAME HOME TO LIVE. BUT BY AND LARGE,...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
BOOKS YOU COULD WRITE OFF A CHAPTER, CAN YOU THINK OF ANOTHER ONE? >> I EASILY COULD WRITE A
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McCullough, David - Historian
BOOK ABOUT AGUST US ST. GARDENS, EASILY, HAPPEN. >> HE WAS CALLED GUS AND
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Lamb, Brian - Host
SHE WAS CALLED GUSSI. >> HE WAS AGUSTUS ST.
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McCullough, David - Historian
GUNS AND SHE WAS A COUSIN OF HOMER, THE FAMOUS AMERICAN PAINTER. BUT THE CHAPTER THAT IS ABOUT MARY CASSAT TSKS AND JOHN SINGER SERGEANT I WOULD ENJOY...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
WRITE ABOUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS BENJAMIN RUSH'S SON, RICHARD RUSH. >> RICHARD RUSH. >> WHERE DOES HE COME FROM >> WAS THE SON OF
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McCullough, David - Historian
THE FAMOUS BENJAMIN RUSH WHO WAS A PHYSICIAN IN PHILADELPHIA, ONE OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS, DECLARATION OF THE INDEPENDENCE, YOUNGEST SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
THEY COMMUNICATE IN THOSE DAYS WHEN THEY WERE OVER IN PARIS, I KNOW THINGS CHANGED FROM THE 1930'S TO -- >> BY LETTER. >> HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE?...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
A TELEGRAPH NEAR THE END OF THE 1800'S? >> ATLANTIC CABLE WAS LAID
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McCullough, David - Historian
AND THEY COULD COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY. >> WHAT DID THAT CHANGE? >> OH, IT
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McCullough, David - Historian
CHANGED EVERYTHING. INSTANT INFORMATION. THE FRANK OPPRESSION WAR, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PEOPLE IN CINCINNATI OR HERE IN WASHINGTON WERE READING REPORTS...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
DIE IN TRANS -- COMING ACROSS THE OCEAN. >>
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McCullough, David - Historian
MANY PEOPLE DID DIE COMING ACROSS THE OCEAN. AND THE ONLY ONE WHO DID OF NOTE WAS MARGARET FULLER WHO WAS A VERY GIFTED YOUNG WOMAN, WRITER, IMPORTANT...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
YOU -- I NEVER ASKED YOU THIS BEFORE, BUT YOU HAVE A FIRST SENTENCE IN THIS BOOK, I'M GOING TO READ IT. THEY SPOKE OF IT THEN AS THE DREAM OF...
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McCullough, David - Historian
FIRST CHAPTER TWO OR THREE YEARS AFTER I WROTE IT THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE AS HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE WITH ALL MY BOOKS, YOU KNOW MUCH MORE BY THE TIME...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
READ THE AUDIO BOOK? >> I READ
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McCullough, David - Historian
THE FIRST CHAPTER BECAUSE I DID NOT HAVE TIME TO DO THE WHOLE BOOK. THE SCHEDULE I HAD AT THAT PARTICULAR JUNCTURE OF WHEN THESE THINGS ARE DONE, SO...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
OF YOUR BOOK, OTHER THAN THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS. YOU HAVE A QUOTE, MS. CASSATT AS USUAL DID THE TALKING AND HER MIND GALLOPED ALONG AND THEN THERE'S AN...
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McCullough, David - Historian
THE BOOK IS ABOUT, THE LIFE SPIRIT, THE CURIOSITY, THAT LOVE OF THE -- OF THE LEVEL THAT SOMETIMES CAN BE REACHED IN ART, MUSIC, IDEAS , BY SOME PEOPLE...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
CHARLES SUMMER IN, I READ IT EARLIER AT THE VERY BEGINNING, I ASSUME. THIS BOOK IS -- >> SAINT-GAUDENS
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McCullough, David - Historian
WAS ONE OF THESE PEOPLE WHAT WROTE SUPERBLY THAT NEVER WENT TO COOL. >> LET ME READ THAT, FOR
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Lamb, Brian - Host
WE CONSTANTLY DEAL WITH PRACTICAL PROBLEMS WITH MOLDERS, CONTRACTORS, DERRICS, STONEMEN, TRUCKS, RUBBISH, PLASTERS, AND WHATNOT ELSE ALL THE WHILE TRYING...
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McCullough, David - Historian
YES. SKELL PRESIDENT YOURSELF ARE DIFFERENT THAN PAINTERS AND -- SCULPTURS ARE DIFFERENT THAN PAINTERS AND THEY WORK IN A STUDIO AND THEY HAVE A CANVAS...
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Lamb, Brian - Host
MACCULLOCH, AUTHOR OF "THE GREATER JOURNEY: AMERICANS IN IN PARIS." THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME. WE ARE OUT OF TIME. >> OH, BRIAN,
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McCullough, David - Historian
THANK YOU SO MUCH. WHAT A JOY. [CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE] [CAPTIONS COPYRIGHT NATIONAL CABLE SATELLITE CORP.2011]...
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