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DANIEL R. BLARE, THE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND THE HONORABLE HER VERT -- HERBERT RICHARDSON, SPECIAL INSPECTOR GENERAL FOR AFGHAN RECONSTRUCTION....
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CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS FOR INVITING ME TO TESTIFY ON SOMETHING THAT IS THE CENTRAL PART OF WHAT THIS COMMISSION WAS STARTED TO ESTABLISH. IMPLEMENTING...
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THANK YOU, MR. BOE EN. MR. BLAIR. >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN
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AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO ADDRESS OUR WORK ON CHALLENGES IN THIS AREA. EFFECTIVE CONTRACTING FOR GOODS AND SERVICES...
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THANK YOU, MR. BLAIR. MR. RICHARDSON. >>
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CHAIRMAN SCHAYES AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. -- SHAYS AN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME. LET ME BEGIN BY NOTING THAT UNDER...
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MR. RICHARDSON. I'M SWAPPING MY TIME, SHE'LL GO FIRST. WE'LL START WITH YOU. >> THANK YOU,
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CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING, GENTLEMEN AND THANKS FOR THE GOOD WORK YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAVE DONE IN PURSUIT OF LEARNING AND BETTER...
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| 00:17:47 |
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A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE IN AN AUDIT WE'RE RELEETSING THIS YEAR -- THIS WEEK REGARDING THE U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. WE ISSUED A REVIEW OF THE ASSET TRANSFER...
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BLAIR. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
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WE NOTED IN SOME OF THE WORK WE DID IN IRAQ WAS RELATED TO THE AREA OF ASSET ACCOUNTABILITY. I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE COST ISSUE YOU ASKED ABOUT, BUT...
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| 00:20:03 |
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MAKE SURE THAT THAT DISCUSSION YOU HEARD IS ACTUALLY CARRIED THROUGH AND SPREADS? >> WE DO DISCUSS THIS IN
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OUR AUDIT. WE BRING IT UP, HOW ARE YOU PARTICULARLY GOING TO FOCUS ON COST? WHEN WE DO OUR AUDIT WORK, WE FOCUS ON WHETHER THE CONTRACT IS THE APPROPRIATE...
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TYPE, I KNOW IN MANY CASES THE AUDITORS ARE DISCOURAGED FROM ASKING WHETHER A NEED IS IS REALLY A NEED OR A WANT. DO YOU QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT A NEED...
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| 00:21:00 |
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AT THE CONTRACT AND REQUIREMENT DETERMINATION, WE WANT TO SEE THAT LINK BETWEEN THE REQUIREMENT AND THE MISSION REQUIREMENT. THE CONTRACT REQUIREMENT...
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| 00:21:29 |
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DO PURSUE WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AND COMMANDERS HAVING MORE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MONEY THEY SPEND, THE AUDIT COMMUNITY COULD BE AN IMPORTANT...
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| 00:22:02 |
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LEARNED FROM IRAQ IS THE SUSTAINMENT ISSUE. IN AFGHANISTAN, THE ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE FACILITIES BEING BUILT, THE ROADS BEING BUILT, THE SYSTEMS...
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| 00:22:51 |
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I THINK IF MY COLLEAGUES DON'T PURSUE THAT SUSTAINMENT QUESTION WITH YOU, I'LL COME BACK TO IT IN MY SECOND ROUND BUT I WOULD SAY THAT'S ONE OF THE...
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| 00:24:02 |
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ACCEPTABLE THAT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT WE GET THE INFORMATION NECESSARY TO DO OUR MISSION SO THE CONGRESS IS INFORMED ABOUT HOW...
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| 00:25:00 |
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BECAUSE YOUR PORTFOLIO IS LIMITED TO RECONSTRUCTION? IS THAT WHY WHO IS INVOLVED IN RECONSTRUCTION? >> OUR PORTFOLIO COVERED
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| 00:25:08 |
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ALL FUNDING FOR IRAQ. IT'S VERY BROADLY DEFINED, NOT JUST HARD RECONSTRUCTION BUT THE IRAQ SECURITY FORCE FUND, THE ECONOMIC SUPPORT FUND, THE IRAQ...
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| 00:25:30 |
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YOU CARE TO COMMENT? >> WE ARE AT
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THE PRESENT TIME COORDINATING WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENT. BUT WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS. LET ME BACK UP ON THE SUSTAINMENT ISSUE . LIKE WE HAVE LEARNED --...
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| 00:25:57 |
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THAT HELPS. THANK YOU. >> A THANK
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| 00:26:01 |
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YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO THANK ALL THREE OF YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THAT OF YOUR STAFF. TO VARYING DEGREES, I FOUND...
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| 00:28:25 |
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COMMISSIONER, YOUR REPORT TALKS ABOUT THE IDEA OF INCENTIVE AS WELL AS THE IDEA, THE . AND STICK. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO HAVE A BALANCE...
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| 00:29:06 |
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LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. IN THIS LAST EXAMPLE THAT I MENTIONED IN THE SURVEY, A LEVEL THAT YOU HAVE DEALT WITH APPARENTLY AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR...
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| 00:29:54 |
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DO AT THE LEVEL YOU DESCRIBED. WE DO BRIEF THE DEPUTY SECRETARY. I BRIEFED HIM ON THE RESULT OF SOME OF OUR WORK. GENERALLY, WE TRIED TO ADDRESS OUR...
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| 00:30:15 |
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FROM YOUR OWN TESTIMONY NOT TO BE THAT EFFECTIVE. I AM TRYING TO GAUGE TO WHAT EXTENT THE ISSUES WE ARE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT. THE ISSUES THE COMMISSION...
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| 00:30:46 |
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THAT KIND OF ACCESS. ON OUR DAY-TO-DAY AUDIT WORK, WE TEND TO WORK AT THE LOWER
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LEVELS. >> RIGHT. THE WORKING ON A DAY-TO-DAY LEVEL SUGGEST YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE KIND OF ACTION THAT IS NEEDED HERE. I'LL LEAVE IT. DO YOU HAVE
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| 00:31:01 |
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COMMENTS? >> YES. TO REDUCE WASTE IN CONTINGENCIES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SYSTEMS AND A PLAN ON ANY PLACE. SPECIFICALLY, WELL IDENTIFIED, AGREED TO CONTRACT...
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| 00:31:49 |
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THAT. THE QUESTION IS WHY ARE NOT PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT DOING THAT ALL THESE MANY YEARS IN IRAQ? >> WE'VE HAD 110
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| 00:32:01 |
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DEBARMENT THAT WE LISTED IN ARE QUARTER REPORT. WE HAVE 50 CONVICTIONS OF INDIVIDUALS THAT DID VIOLATE THE STANDARDS THEY WERE REQUIRED. BUT ULTIMATELY,...
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| 00:32:40 |
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MR. RICHARDS? >> LET ME SPEAK TO
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| 00:32:43 |
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YOUR ISSUE OF ACCOUNTABILITY. IT IS A PROBLEM IN AFGHANISTAN. THE ISSUE AT HAND OBVIOUSLY IS THAT WE ARE IN A WAR ZONE INFESTED BY INSURGENTS, SOCIAL...
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| 00:34:21 |
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MUCH. >> LET ME ASK
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ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION UP CLOSE ON THIS. MR. RICHARDSON, I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT YOUR VIEW OF THE RECOMMENDATION IN OUR REPORT. YOU MENTIONED ABOUT HAVING...
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| 00:35:30 |
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HAEVE THIS BE PART OF THAT SECOND ROUND? >>
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OK >> MR. BLAIR, WHAT,
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IF ANYTHING, HAPPENED TO THE RESPONSIBLE COMMANDER IN THESE TWO CASES? >>
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THE COMMANDER ON THE GROUND? >> WHO EVER THE HELL
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WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS? >> I HONESTLY DO
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NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. >>
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| 00:35:58 |
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WOULD YOU? I HAD TO RELIEVE THEIR BUTTS. THIS IS INEXCUSABLE, EVEN IF IT IS ONLY $39,000, WHICH IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS AIN'TS A LOT OF MONEY....
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| 00:38:31 |
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HEARINGS, SIR. YOU GIVE THE HAMMER BACK TO THE PEOPLE THAT HOLD THE HAMMER. THAT WOULD BE CONGRESS. WE FOLLOW UP. DO WE GO BACK IN? YES, WE WILL. WE...
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| 00:39:06 |
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HERE. >> YOUR PREDECESSOR --
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OR YOUR SUCCESSOR. >> TO ME, IT JUST SHOWS A
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| 00:39:17 |
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LACK OF FOCUS OR A LACK OF INTEREST FROM SENIOR LEADERSHIP. >> MR. GREEN, ONE OF THE
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| 00:39:23 |
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THINGS WE FIND CONSISTENTLY IS THAT IF WE HAD DEFIED A SPECIFIC PROBLEM, THE DEPARTMENT WILL GO AND A CORRECT THAT ONE SPECIFIC PROBLEM. ONE OF THE...
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| 00:40:33 |
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SENIOR PEOPLE HAVE THE HAMMER. IF THEY CARE, THEY HAVE THE HAMMER. >> MR. BOHEN,
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COMMENTS? >> YES, WE ARE
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| 00:40:44 |
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CARRYING OUT THREE AUDITS ON EXACTLY THIS ISSUE, LOOKING AT RECOMMENDATIONS AND FOLLOW UP. ONE WILL BE ISSUED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AND FINDING THAT...
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| 00:41:33 |
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ACTION. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK
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THE GENTLEMAN. >> THANK
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| 00:41:40 |
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YOU. MR. BOHE,N, YOUR TESTIMONY HAS A VERY STRIKING TESTIMONY -- YOUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY. "WASTE IN IRAQ RECONSTRUCTION AMOUNTED TO 10% OF TOTAL SPENDING,...
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| 00:42:40 |
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THE STATEMENT, IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ACCURATELY NAIL DOWN A TOALTAL WASTE FI GURE. IT IS SUBJECT TO DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS. IN IRAQ, THERE...
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| 00:44:32 |
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YOUR TEAM THAT BRIEFED US ABOUT THE STUDY OF THE AFGHAN NATIONAL POLICE AND THE CONTINUING OBSERVATIONS YOU ARE DOING ON BOTH THE POLICE AND THE AFGHAN...
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| 00:45:12 |
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WAS RELATING TO YOU WAS A DISCUSSION THAT HE HAD HAD WITH MEMBERS WHO WERE IN THEATER AT THE TIME. HE WAS RELATING THEIR COMMENT TO YOU. SO THAT IS...
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I UNDERSTAND. >> THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT
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WAS MADE FROM A COLONEL IN THE THEATER. >>
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| 00:45:31 |
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THIS IS THE MOST SOPHISTICATED ANALYSTS THERE ARE ON THE SUBJECT. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? THE LOGISTICAL ASSISTANCE OF THE AFGHAN POLICE, WHICH I WILL NOT...
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| 00:45:58 |
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THE PEOPLE WHO FOCUS ON THE REPORT, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY RELAYED TO ME WAS THAT A BIG CHALLENGE WAS TO GET THE LOGISTICS OPERATIONS UP AND RUNNING....
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| 00:46:34 |
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LOGISTICS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MUNITIONS, SMALL ARMS, LIGHT MACHINE GUNS, ROCKET-PROPELLED GRENADES. THIS IS NOT YOUR AVERAGE SMALL TOWN POLICE FORCE...
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TO BE VALUABLE? >> YES. >> BUT SECONDLY, WILL
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| 00:47:07 |
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WE BE ABLE TO HAVE OPERATIONAL FORCES? REMEMBER, THE POLICE ARE HALF OF SECURITY FORCES IN THE HOLD AND BUILD EFFORT WE ARE MAKING, THEY ARE THE ONES...
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| 00:47:35 |
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NOT RECALL WHAT HIS STATEMENT WAS. >> THIS ISN'T A CLOSED
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| 00:47:40 |
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BOOK TEST. HE SAID IT WOULD GIVE US THREE DAYS IF THEY DID NOT HAVE THE DISTANCE. I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. BUT MY POINT IS, BOTH WASTE FRAUD AND ABUSE...
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| 00:47:58 |
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THAT IS CORRECT. THEY NEED THAT OPERATIONAL SUPPORT REQUEST OK. . >>
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| 00:48:05 |
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OK. ANOTHER ASPECT OF IT. A MARCH, 2010 NEWSWEEK STORY WHICH DID A THOROUGH SURVEY OF THE POLICE SAID "CROOKED AFGHAN COPS SUPPLY MOST OF THE AMMUNITION...
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| 00:48:43 |
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THE DIRECTOR -- OF US DIRECTLY SUPPLYING THE ENEMY AT THIS POINT. I KNOW THERE IS AN NEED TO PUT A LOGISTICS FORCE ON A PLACE AND PROCESSES IN PLACE...
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| 00:48:57 |
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AT THAT. >> OK. ONE QUICK QUESTION TO SIGAR, YOU HAVE AN AFGHAN NATIONAL POLICE STUDY WHICH I BELIEVE BECOMES FINAL ALMOST THIS VERY MINUTE. WILL WE...
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CERTAINLY. >> THANK
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YOU. >> MY 8 MINUTES YIELD
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| 00:49:22 |
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TO THE FOLLOW-UP TO MR. URBAN'S QUESTION. I LOOK FOR A BRIEF ANSWERS. >> MY QUESTION TO YOU,
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| 00:49:32 |
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MR. RICHARDSON, IS USED -- USING UP TO SUPPORT THE NOTION OF A SPECIAL INSPECTOR GENERAL FOR FUTURE CONTINGENCY PROGRAMS. HE SAID THE REASON WAS THAT...
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| 00:49:58 |
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MY CAR -- UNDERSTANDING OF THAT POSITION. MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT POSITION IS THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE THE CONTINUITY BETWEEN EXISTING IRAQ, AFGHAN AND...
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| 00:51:01 |
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THE NOTION. >> I
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| 00:51:03 |
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THINK YOU'VE ARTICULATED IT WELL. THE OFFICE WOULD HAVE CROSS JURISDICTIONAL CAPACITY. WE DO NOT KNOW WHEN THESE CONTINGENCIES HAPPEN. THEY OCCUR SUDDENLY....
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| 00:51:50 |
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MR. BLAIR'S VIEW? >> I TENED TO AGREE WITH
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| 00:51:57 |
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MR. RICHARDSON. THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ANOTHER LAYER OF BUREAUCRACY OR OVERSIGHT RATHER THAN MAXIMIZING THE COOPERATION BETWEEN EXISTING INSPECTOR...
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| 00:52:13 |
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MY TIME. WE SET UP A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR BECAUSE THE INSPECTORS GENERAL WERE NOT DOING THEIR JOB. >> I ASSUME THAT -- I
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| 00:52:22 |
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WAS ON THE GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE WHEN WE DID IT. FRANKLY, YOU DID YOUR JOB CURRENTLY, MAYBE TWO BRIEFLY BECAUSE IT BECAME TOO MUCH OF A FORCE...
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| 00:52:52 |
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THE SAME POWERS. HE DID NOT GET THE SAME FUNDING. THAT WAS THE CHALLENGE. >>
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| 00:52:57 |
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THE CHALLENGE IS THAT IT TO KEEP A LITTLE BIT TO GET SET UP BECAUSE HE STARTED, AND WE KIND OF JUST MR. FIELDS ON INSTANT REPLAY. THERE WAS A SENSE THAT...
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| 00:53:23 |
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SHUT DOWN AND THEN WERE TOLD TO START UP AGAIN. THAT FIRST YEAR WAS A CHALLENGE. >> MY WORK ININ U.S.A.I.D.
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| 00:53:34 |
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WERE FABULOUS. MR. BLAIR, YOU ARE ONLY DOD. YOU ARE ONLY A CERTAIN PART. YOU CANNOT LOOK AT U.S.A.I.D. AND STATE I NEED THE SAME WAY, CORRECT? >> AR...
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| 00:53:48 |
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DOES GIVE US AUTHORITY. >> I SAID IT
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| 00:53:51 |
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INCORRECTLY. YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY. BUT THE D.O.D. FOLKS, U.S.A.I.D., THEY HAVE THE TUNNEL. SOMETIMES THERE IS THE NEED TO GO ON A DIFFERENT DIRECTION....
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| 00:54:22 |
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DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT
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| 00:54:25 |
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SERVICE. THE QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU. I MAY BE INCORRECT, AND WE MAY NEED TO REDO THIS. I NEED YOU TO DEFINE FOR ME THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF DEBARMENT....
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| 00:54:57 |
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SOME WERE OPERATING ON LARGE CONTRACTS. GLOBAL BUSINESS SERVICES. HAD MANY, MANY CONTRACTS WHEN WE CAUGHT HIM ON A MASSIVE FRAUD. >> SO THE COMPANY WAS
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| 00:55:12 |
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SHUT DOWN? >>
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| 00:55:13 |
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YES. IT WAS DEBARRED AND THE COMPANY WENT BANKRUPT. THE DYNAMICS, ANOTHER ONE DOING IT MASS OF LOGISTICS WORK WITH PWC. ALLIED ARMOR, ANOTHER ONE THAT...
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| 00:55:45 |
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WITH OUR COMMENTS ON THAT DEPARTMENT? >> YOUR FEBRUARY 8 HEARING
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| 00:55:49 |
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WAS THE MOST COMPELLING ARGUMENT FOR REFORM REGARDING THE POSITION OF A BETTER SUSPENSION AND DEBARMENT PROGRAM. THE COLLOQUY THAT OCCURRED DURING...
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| 00:56:24 |
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TAKE ISSUE WITH MY DESCRIBING THERE HAVE NOT BEEN MANY. YOUR ISSUE WOULD BE THERE HAVE BEEN, BUT THERE ARE WEAKNESSES IN THIS SYSTEM. AND THAT WOULD...
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| 00:56:38 |
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EXACTLY RIGHT. YES, SIR PAIRED >> I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT HE JUST SAID. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DEBARMENT, BUT I THINK THAT THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO INCREASE...
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| 00:56:50 |
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MR. RICHARDSON? >> I CAN ONLY SPEAK
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| 00:56:53 |
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FOR AFGHANISTAN. IN AFGHANISTAN, I THINK WE HAVE ONLY RECENTLY STARTED DOWN THAT ROAD. WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE STARTED TWO YEARS AGO. BUT SINCE WE...
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| 00:57:12 |
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CLARIFY HAVE THEY ACTUALLY BEEN DEBARRED? >>
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| 00:57:15 |
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NO. WE PROPOSED IT TO D.O.D.. THEY HAVE THE FINAL AUTHORITY. >> HAVE THEY ACCEPTED
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IT? >> I AM
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| 00:57:23 |
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NOT SURE. >> I DO NOT WANT TO MIX
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| 00:57:26 |
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YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS OF VERSUS WHAT HAPPENED. SO MY TIME IS EXPIRED. I WILL GET THE SECOND ROUND. >> WE HAVE
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| 00:57:35 |
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FOUR OF FIVE
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ACCEPTED. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> THANK
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| 00:57:40 |
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YOU, CHAIRMAN. MR. BLAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN UP -- TO A COUPLE OF REPORTS YOUR OFFICE ISSUED ON THE MATERIALS CONTRACTS ON A SOUTHWEST ASIA. WHEN YOU...
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| 00:59:10 |
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THE ANSWER TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION TIME AND MATERIAL CONTRACTS ARE THE RISKIEST ONES. TJEHE WORK A SHOW OF THE OVERSIGHT WAS NOT IN PLACE. TO SAY WE SHOULD...
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| 00:59:56 |
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IS NOT WORTH GOING AFTER? >> THAT SEEMS TO BE
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THEIR POSITION. WE WOULD DISAGREE. IT IS A LOT OF MONEY OCCURRED >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, TOO. I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD AGREE AS WELL. IN ANOTHER...
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| 01:00:17 |
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ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PLANNING OUR NEXT YEAR'S WORK. AND IDENTIFYING THOSE REPORTS WE WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON. WE WANT TO GET A MIXTURE OF REPORTS THAT...
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| 01:00:44 |
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AFTER A BUDGET THAT SOMEBODY HAS, THE AIR FORCE AND ARMY, AND TAKE THE $30 MILLION OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO SPEND ON AND THE FUTURE? >> WE DO
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| 01:00:52 |
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NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. >> WOULD
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| 01:00:54 |
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YOU LIKE TO HAVE THAT AUTHORITY? >> I'LL HAVE
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| 01:01:01 |
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TO TAKE THAT ONE FOR THE RECORD. >>
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| 01:01:06 |
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YOU ALSO HAVE A REPORT AND AND MARCH OF THIS YEAR ON AN AFGHAN -- AFGHAN NATIONAL POLICE. THERE YOU TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE PEOPLE TO OVERSEE THIS...
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| 01:01:56 |
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NOT JUST FOCUS ON NUMBERS. IT IS NOT JUST THAT THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE, EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE THE PEOPLE THERE ARE NOT BEING USED EFFECTIVELY....
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| 01:02:42 |
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FEELING YOU ARE WRITING THE SAME REPORT OVER AND OVER AND OVER? >> YES, MA'AM, WE
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| 01:02:48 |
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DO. >> I SYMPATHIZE
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| 01:02:49 |
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WITH THAT. MR. RICHARDSON, I WANT TO TAKE ON ONE OF YOUR REPORTS LOOKING AT THE COMMANDERS EMERGENCY RESPONSE PROGRAM FOR SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES. YOU'VE...
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| 01:03:27 |
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CAN BE LOOKED AT TO WAIT. YS. EITHER WE SHOULD NOT BE SPENDING THE MONEY OR THERE SHOULD BE INCREASED A PREPARATION. THAT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE...
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| 01:03:42 |
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LIKE WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. >> THAT IS
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| 01:03:46 |
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A POLITICAL DECISION. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE
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| 01:03:50 |
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WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING IT ON A THE FIRST PLACE. THAT IS MY TIME, THANK YOU. >>
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| 01:03:55 |
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THANK YOU. MR. IRVIN. >> AS USUAL, I THOUGHT
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| 01:04:02 |
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YOUR STATEMENT WAS TERRIFIC. I AGREE WITH 99% OF IT. I THOUGHT A NUMBER OF THE COMMENTS HE MADE WERE WELL SET, LIKE THE COMMENT THAT THERE WAS NOT ONE...
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| 01:04:44 |
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YOU HAVE A MORE EXACT ANALYSIS. I THINK WE ARE IN GENERAL AGREEMENT ON THIS POINT. THERE MAY BE PARTICULAR AT NARROW CIRCUMSTANCES HWEREWHERE OUTSOURCING...
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| 01:05:38 |
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I DO. I THINK THE PRINCIPLE ARTICULATOR IS EXACTLY RIGHT, THAT CONTRACTORS SHOULD NOT BE OVERSEEING CONTRACTOR IS IN A LARGER MANAGEMENT SENSE. WE HAVE...
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| 01:05:56 |
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M.R R. BOHEN GAVE IS AN ESTIMATE OF WASTE. HE SAID HE CANNOT HAVE AN EXACT FIGURE. HE SAID WHATEVER THE FIGURE IS, IT WILL BE HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE...
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| 01:06:24 |
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A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUAL AUDITS THAT HAVE REFLECTED WASTE OVER THE ENTIRE SCHEME OF THE TOTAL BUDGET PROCESS. IT SHOWS $5 MILLION, 20 MILLION, 50 MILLION....
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| 01:07:12 |
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STRUCK BY A YOUR STATEMENT BY YOUR POINTING OUT THAT THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT PROGRAM TO REVIEW THE FATE OF PROJECT AFTER RETURN THEM OVER TO IRAQ WHEN...
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| 01:07:37 |
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THAT A COORDINATED EFFORT FOR IMPROVED ASSET TRANSFER -- WE URGED THAT A COORDINATED EFFORT FOR IMPROVED ASSET TRANSFER BE IMPLEMENTED. THE NEXT LEVEL...
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| 01:08:14 |
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THREE AGENCIES AGREED TO
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| 01:08:16 |
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DO THAT? >> NO. I THINK THERE IS A MISSING ELEMENT WITHIN THE AGENCY COMMUNITY TO DO EVALUATIONS OF WORK. THE ENTIRE EVALUATION'S AREA SHOULD BE EXPANDED....
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| 01:08:29 |
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DONE. >> WITH THE KURDISH
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| 01:08:35 |
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PROJECT? >>
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| 01:08:37 |
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IT'S GOOD. >> I WOULD
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| 01:08:41 |
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BE SURPRISED IF HE DID NOT FIND IT BEING RUN WELL. >>
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| 01:08:45 |
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OPERATING AT 85%. THE KURDS LOVE IT. IT IS A STUDY ON THE THE NATURE OF THE IRAQ RECONSTRUCTION PROGRAM. THE KURDISH PROJECT TURNED OUT WELL. >> IF I...
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| 01:09:03 |
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CORRECTLY, TO GO BACK TO THIS CONTINGENCY, SPECIAL I.G., YOU BOTH MAY HAVE CHARACTERIZED IT AS EXTRA LAYERS, DETRIMENTAL, ETC. I CAN UNDERSTAND, MR....
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| 01:09:48 |
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A LAYER. I AM SAYING IF YOU PUT A LAYER ABOVE THAT, THAT CREATES A DRAIN OF ADDITIONAL RESOURCES. >> I DO NOT THINK
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| 01:09:59 |
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THAT IS WHAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT. WHEN AND IF YOU TWO GUYS GO ON A BUSINESS, WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN AND THE NEXT BALLOON GOES UP. THAT IS ALL I AM SAYING....
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| 01:10:27 |
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SUPPORT IT? >>
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| 01:10:28 |
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NO, NO. IT MAKES MORE SENSE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD SAY THAT ARE WE SENDING A SIGNAL THAT WE INTEND, FROM HERE ON OUT --? >> I'VE HEARD
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| 01:10:48 |
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THAT ARGUMENT. THAT IS THE SAME IS SAYING, LET'S PLAN FOR ANY CONTINGENCY PREPAR. I DON'T BUY THAT ARGUMENT. >> THAT ARGUMENT ONLY
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| 01:11:02 |
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DOES NOT COUNT IF HE DID NOT HAVE A COUNSEL FOR INSPECTORS GENERAL ON A PLACE THAT COULD FULFIL THE ROLE. >> MR.
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| 01:11:10 |
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BLAIR. COMMISSIONER IRVIN'S COMMENT ABOUT WHEN HE WAS IG AT STATE, HE HAD ACCESS TO THE SECRETARY OR DEPUTY. IF HE FAILED THERE, I WOULD CARRY HIS WATER...
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| 01:11:43 |
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MEAN TO IMPLY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE SENIOR BISHOP IN THE DEPARTMENT. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT MOST OF OUR DAY-TO-DAY WORK IS DONE AT...
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| 01:12:12 |
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TIME AIN'T A LOT, EVEN FOR THE DEPUTY. LAST QUESTION. PRETTY SIMPLE. WE HAVE TALKED THROUGHOUT THIS HEARING AND THE PANEL BEFORE ABOUT FALL THROUGH.OLLOW...
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| 01:12:52 |
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OF ALL, DR. GANSLER'S RECOMMENDATION TO GET BY AND FROM THE CONGRESS TO IMPLEMENT INTO LAW OUGHT THAT ARE TARGETED TOWARDS A STATUTORY CHANGE. I MIGHT...
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| 01:13:47 |
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THANK YOU. MR. BLAIR? >> I TEND TO
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| 01:13:53 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AGREE. THE IDEA OF ESTABLISHING SOME FALL ON RECOMMENDATIONS WITH RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOMEBODY TO ACTUALLY ASSESS THE LEVEL OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE...
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| 01:14:11 |
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HE CAME BACK A YEAR LATER AND SAID, ARMY, YOU ARE SUCCEEDING OR FAILING IN THESE AREAS. MR. RICHARDSON? >> YOU DO
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| 01:14:21 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WOULD YOU HAVE BEEN TELLING US TO DO. YOU CALL THE HEADS OF THE AGENCIES HERE AND PUT THEM AT THIS TABLE. YOU PUT OUT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, AND YOU MAKE...
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| 01:14:47 |
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YOU. >> OK, THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO SAY,
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| 01:14:53 |
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MR. RICHARDSON, I WILL GIVE YOU A WARNING. YOU TALKED TO BOTH SIDES OF THE ANSWER. YOU THINK OF A BETTER ANSWER WHEN IT IS MY TURN. HE'S GIVING 8 MINUTES,...
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| 01:15:15 |
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RICHARDSON, TODAY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU ARE RELEASING A NEW A PATH-BREAKING AND MUCH-AWAITED REPORT ON THE AFGHAN AT NATIONAL POLICE PAYROLL AND...
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| 01:15:29 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IS CORRECT . >> LET ME ASK
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| 01:15:30 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YOU. YOUR WRITTEN TESTIMONY TODAY SAYS THAT THE -- >>"ITS PERSONAL SYSTEM PROVIDES LITTLE ASSURANCE THAT ONLY ANP PERSONNEL ARE PAID. SIGNIFICANT RISKS...
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| 01:16:22 |
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RISK OF THAT WE ARE FINDING IS THAT THERE IS NO CENTRALIZED SYSTEM. IN PLACE BY THE MINISTRY OF INTERIOR TO IDENTIFY THE AFGHAN NATIONAL POLICE ON THE...
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| 01:17:09 |
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GOOD. THAT'S A GOOD START FOR DISCUSSION. LET ME TAKE YOU TO STEP FURTHER. YOUR STATEMENT SAID THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THE "A KEY ISSUE AS WE APPROACH...
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| 01:18:20 |
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IT IS A SOMEWHAT OBVIOUS. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO YOU ARE PAYING AND DO NOT KNOW WHO IS THERE, HOW CAN THE NUMBERS BE ACCURATE? SIMPLE MATHEMATICS. THE...
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| 01:19:16 |
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WOW. LET ME COME BACK TO YOU, AFTER THE OBSERVATION THAT THERE IS AN OVERLAP BETWEEN WHAT THE DODO IG SAID EARLIER ABOUT A WEEK LOGISTICAL SYSTEM FOR...
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| 01:20:42 |
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POSITION TO ANSWER THAT. I DO NOT THINK WE HAVE DONE ANY WORK TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT WAS REPORTED AND "NEWSWEEK." >>
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| 01:20:49 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
FAIR ENOUGH. THEY NEED TO DO A NEWS STORY ON THAT. I LOOK FORWARD TO READING A COPY. I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO SEE A COPY OF THIS REPORT. I AM EAGER TO DO...
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| 01:21:53 |
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YOU'RE NOT. AS I SAID, YOUR FEBRUARY 28 HEARING FULLY SUBSTANTIATED THAT YOU ARE RIGHT ON BASE. THIS IS A CRITICAL AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE STRENGTHENED...
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| 01:23:16 |
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YOU. >> MR. RICHARDSON, BASED
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| 01:23:21 |
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ON YOUR OPPOSITION TO A SPECIAL INSPECTOR GENERAL FOR CONTINGENCIES, AND GIVEN THAT SIGAR IS A SPECIAL INSPECTOR GENERAL FOR A CONTINGENCY AFGHANISTAN,...
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| 01:23:35 |
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NO, SIR. >>
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| 01:23:36 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OK. LET ME ASK YOU, MR. BOHEN. LET ME ASK ALL OF YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? >>
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| 01:23:59 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YES. FIRST, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TO TESTIFY. AS I SAID ON AND MY STATEMENT, I THINK THE COMMISSION POSE A REPORT THIS FALL OF CRUCIAL RECOMMENDATIONS...
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| 01:25:26 |
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THANK YOU. >> THE
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| 01:25:30 |
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ONLY THING I WANTED TO DO IN CLOSING WAS TO THANK MY PANEL MEMBERS. . . . >> LET ME
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| 01:27:00 |
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CLOSE BY SAYING, YOU HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, AND YOU HAVE DONE I THINK A SUPERB JOB. MR. BLAIR, I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY...
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| 01:27:56 |
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CHAIRMAN. >> UP
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