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Q&A with Carol Guzy BRIAN LAMB, HOST, Q&A: Carol Guzy, can you remember the first time you thought about being a photographer? CAROL GUZY,... | |
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LAMB, -
You’ve won four Pulitzer Prizes. How often has that happened in the history of journalism? | |
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GUZY, -
Never, as far as I’ve heard. This is the first. | |
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LAMB, -
What’s it like? You just won one. What’s it like winning it? And how important is it to somebody in your profession? | |
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GUZY, -
Well, it’s such a prestigious honor. But it’s always bittersweet, because it tends to be for stories like the Haitian earthquake where, you know,... | |
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LAMB, -
Let’s look at the video of you getting the award at – I mean, you don’t get the award at the “Washington Post” newsroom, but the announcement... | |
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) | |
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MARCUS BRAUCHLI, “WASHINGTON POST” EXECUTIVE EDITOR: So, the “Washington Post” wins a Pulitzer Prize for breaking news photography. Carol... | |
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(APPLAUSE AND CHEERS) | |
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BRAUCHLI, -
Many of you will remember this scene on the news desk last year on January 12th. We had – we received word of a massive earthquake in Haiti. | |
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We only had the sketchiest information, but we had this sort of understanding that every time tragedy strikes Haiti, the U.S. gets involved, as it has... | |
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The newspaper, as you know, was filled with their images. Our website ran many photo galleries that I think rent millions of hearts. | |
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GUZY, -
There’s a Haitian proverb taped to my refrigerator that says, “When you visit Haiti, it’ll break your heart. And when you leave, you won’t... | |
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I’ve wept for Haiti a thousand times over the years since my first trip during the Duvalier reign. But it’s nothing compared to the profound sorrow... | |
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RICKY CARIOTI, “WASHINGTON POST” PHOTOGRAPHER: I don’t have a prepared speech, but I’d like to thank everyone in this newsroom and my the editors... | |
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NIKKI KAHN, “WASHINGTON POST” PHOTOGRAPHER: This is pretty amazing. You know, two hours of sleep was a lot, because Carol was always out there... | |
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GUZY, -
So, it was – we just kept plugging away and under incredible circumstances. So, it’s a privilege to share this with Carol and Ricky. Thanks. | |
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(END VIDEO CLIP) | |
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LAMB, -
How do you work together when you’re on a scene like Haiti with the three of you? | |
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GUZY, -
Well, Ricky actually went later to cover the follow-up aftermath stories, and Nikki and I were down there together. But it was really hard, the communication.... | |
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GUZY, -
So, it was – we kind of would cross paths occasionally at the hotel. But it was so chaotic, that we were pretty much off in our own direction a lot... | |
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LAMB, -
How many times have you been to Haiti? | |
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GUZY, -
Oh, I couldn’t even count how many times. I started when I worked at the “Miami Herald.” I used to cover the – it was the first job I had,... | |
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GUZY, -
And for, over a decade, it was almost like an obsession or a mission – I don’t know what word you want to use – that I relentlessly covered Haiti. | |
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LAMB, -
1980 to 1988, “Miami Herald.” 1988 to now, “Washington Post”? | |
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GUZY, -
Right. | |
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LAMB, -
Let’s look at the photographs. And I know you didn’t take all of these, but these are the photographs that won this year’s Pulitzer for photography.... | |
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GUZY, -
Yes, this was Nikki’s picture, actually. And a little back story on Nikki. | |
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GUZY, -
My boss now is Michel duCille, who is an amazing person, who, you know, manages with a great deal of dignity and heart and humanity. And we started... | |
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So, it’s – I don’t know what the odds are of that. But it’s quite amazing. | |
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Who took this next picture? | |
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GUZY, -
Well, that’s mine. It’s hard even to look at that now. I mean, that was the morgue. It was a sea of bodies. | |
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It’s just kind of indescribable. | |
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I photographed – I shot a few frames, not that many. And then I moved on, because I just thought it would be unpublishable. But it was very telling,... | |
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It’s now over 300,000 people have died in that tragedy. And it’s just hard to imagine. | |
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This is Nikki’s picture, as well. It’s a portrait from one of the old folks’ homes down there. And I think the elderly – the children and... | |
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And this picture breaks my heart, probably more than any in the whole package. | |
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Do you have to ask them to take their picture like that? | |
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GUZY, -
In Haiti it – people seemed – in my experience in Haiti, people are so open to photographs and journalism. And there doesn’t seem to be the same... | |
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So, in a situation like this, I think, residents were really concerned about getting the word out. And the need was so great, that I think they realized... | |
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A picture of the feet. Is this woman dead? | |
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GUZY, -
Yes. The body. And it was just – that one little high heel on and off, you know – I can’t even look at these pictures without crying, actually. | |
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LAMB, -
Did you take that? | |
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GUZY, -
Yes, that’s my picture. And it just kind of speaks to the – you know, the moment time stopped for everyone. | |
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And people were going about their daily lives in their pretty little high heels. Probably, you know, who knows? Maybe she was walking to her job,... | |
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And this is my picture, as well. The first day we were there a school collapsed, St. Gerard. And there were school children still in their uniforms,... | |
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This young lady came and started weeping. And my translator said she was saying, “I can see my brother’s feet, but I can’t pull him out.” | |
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And she threw herself on the rubble wailing. | |
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GUZY, -
It’s hard to imagine. It’s one thing being killed instantly, I think. But for the folks left behind, the loss was so tremendous, that it’s unimaginable. | |
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And this was at a – this was a few weeks afterwards, I believe, after the earthquake, where rescue groups and international aid groups were coming... | |
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This is 2008. | |
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GUZY, -
No, this is ’10, last year. | |
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LAMB, -
Oh, ’10. | |
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And this is Nikki’s picture. This is another wrenching picture. You know, it’s just – the innocence of that little child that’s battered,... | |
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How do you do it when you’re confronted with this? I mean, what do you do with your mind when you’re taking these pictures? | |
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GUZY, -
I think, for me – you know, I think every photographer is different – but I think the camera is a shield many times. I mean, it helps you, I think,... | |
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GUZY, -
I mean, you have to take the pictures. And you have to be able to transmit them back. So, I think that shield helps during the time. It’s afterwards.... | |
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LAMB, -
I’ve read you’re shy. | |
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GUZY, -
Yes, I am. I kind of hide behind the camera. So, this is very uncomfortable. | |
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GUZY, -
Yes, this picture was taken weeks after, as well, when they were still pulling bodies out of the rubble. That’s why those bodies were already decomposing. | |
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And life had to move on, but life meant you were still smelling the stench of death everywhere and bodies lying in the streets. | |
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The one thing that we who have not been there and looked at it from afar, you just mentioned the smell. Is that something you never forget? | |
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GUZY, -
Oh, you never forget it. It gets in your nostrils and it never goes away. And it’s something you can’t photograph. And it’s part of this whole... | |
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LAMB, -
Have all of these pictures been published? | |
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GUZY, -
Yes. | |
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LAMB, -
But you take how many pictures to get to one that’s published? | |
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GUZY, -
Oh I, well, Michel says I shoot movies. Everybody hates to edit my film. Back in the day we called it film, now my digital cards. | |
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GUZY, -
But I shoot an awful lot of pictures. I don’t want to hesitate, because I believe the moment is everything in a picture. So, I take the pictures. | |
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And what about this moment? | |
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GUZY, -
And that actually ran on the front page of the “Post.” That’s the same school, the little girl crushed at her desk that I was talking about before. | |
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And this young man, they were going – these were Haitian survivors that were going and trying to reach a teacher that was trapped in the rubble, who... | |
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But that’s a heartbreaking picture. And it generated a lot of discussion from readers, because they felt – some people felt it was too harsh, perhaps... | |
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But I think there’s a danger in censoring reality sometimes, especially when the tragedy is so devastating, like this earthquake was, when 300,000... | |
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When somebody like you goes into a country like this, how do you – where do you stay? And how do you get food when the people there can’t even... | |
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GUZY, -
Well, we – I had been to Haiti so many times, we knew where to head. At first we weren’t quite sure. We drove – we flew into the Dominican Republic... | |
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But we had heard from a Haitian photographer, Daniel Morel, who lived there – he now lives in New York. He was there at the time. And he said the... | |
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How prepared are you with transmission gear to get stuff back? | |
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GUZY, -
It was technical hell, actually, on top of, you know, just bearing witness to this awful catastrophe and the emotional toll and the physically demanding... | |
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GUZY, -
I mean, two sat phones, laptops, the cell, the BlackBerry they sent me, for some reason nothing worked for me. But I had a colleague who very selflessly... | |
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LAMB, -
It seems that would be a tense moment, if a colleague wouldn’t give up one of their cameras. | |
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GUZY, -
Well, it wasn’t the cameras. My cameras worked. That was the only thing that worked. I took the pictures, but he helped me transmit. He helped... | |
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And that was the most important thing. I mean, it was useless to just take them and not have them seen. | |
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Have you ever been in a situation where nothing worked at all, and you couldn’t get a picture out? | |
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GUZY, -
I’ve had cameras crash. And, you know, I usually like to take backup because of that reason, because we’re so dependent on technical pieces of... | |
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LAMB, -
Going to move beyond Haiti to some of your other winnings and some of your other photographs. | |
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There’s – we have some video here of shots of the Berlin Wall and of Czechoslovakia in 1989. Now, the music, you put on this? | |
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GUZY, -
Yes. It’s just music that’s in my collection of CDs that I put when I used to do presentations to photo students. And I think it adds another... | |
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LAMB, -
Would you have been shooting film at this time? | |
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GUZY, -
Yes, Definitely. | |
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LAMB, -
OK. Let’s watch. | |
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(VIDEO CLIP FROM “IRON CURTAIN”) | |
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What were the circumstances that had you there at that time? | |
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Well, I had, before the Wall fell, I had been there. Our instincts were that something big was happening there, you know. And I had been covering... | |
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LAMB, -
Where had you been? | |
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GUZY, -
In Germany, East Germany. | |
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LAMB, -
And you came back here? | |
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GUZY, -
And I came back to D.C. And then we – Rich Lipski and I immediately went right back as soon as we could get there for this monumentally historic... | |
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GUZY, -
It was one of those times where you kind of put the camera down and, you know, you really realized for a second that you were witnessing such amazing... | |
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LAMB, -
There’s a photo of you right here on the screen. | |
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GUZY, -
Yes. | |
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LAMB, -
Taken by Rich Lipski? | |
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GUZY, -
Yes. | |
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LAMB, -
Explain that one. | |
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GUZY, -
That was – well, the first chunk of the Wall was being taken out that day. And, you know, I was trying to take pictures. I mean, I think they found... | |
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But before that – or after, I’m not quite sure which – I had been in this amazing, like, crushing crowd of everyone trying to see the Wall, the... | |
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And I looked around and I saw a really tall male, sturdy tripod with a kind face, looking at me. And I tapped him on the shoulder. I said, “Can... | |
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And it’s the only way I was able to photograph that scene. So, I’ll forever more – I have no idea what his name was, but he was a really kind... | |
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LAMB, -
Here’s some photos from Kosovo and Albania. In 1999? | |
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GUZY, -
Yes. | |
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(VIDEO CLIP FROM “KOSOVO’S SORROW”) | |
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Do people notice you taking pictures of them in those moments? | |
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GUZY, -
Well, it depends on the story. I mean, it’s much different depending on the story. | |
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GUZY, -
Kosovo – when it’s such a dramatic, intense situation that people are going through, I think they don’t notice you as much. | |
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GUZY, -
But again, in this situation, people were actually begging us to document it, to record it, because the ethnic cleansing, one of those situations where... | |
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GUZY, -
So, they really wanted it documented. | |
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LAMB, -
What were the circumstances that took you to that area of the world in ’99? | |
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GUZY, -
The “Post” sent Michael Williamson, Lucian Perkins and I to cover it from different parts. I was in Albania where the refugees were coming across... | |
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And actually, one of the pictures in there, the little baby going through the barbed wire, has probably generated almost more reaction from readers... | |
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LAMB, -
Why that picture? And I know I saw it in a lot of print. | |
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GUZY, -
I don’t know. For some reason, it resonates with people’s souls. Maybe it’s the, you know, war and innocence in the same picture, the juxtaposition.... | |
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LAMB, -
What did you think at the time you took the picture? | |
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It was one of those wow moments. Actually, it was a positive thing. The family had just come through the border. And for some reason – I think... | |
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GUZY, -
This fence was the scene of a lot of reunions. So, my friend and I, Tom Hurst – I think he was working for the “Seattle Times” at that time –... | |
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And when they came, it was this scene of joy. And they were passing not only that baby, but a lot of children back and forth. And it was just this... | |
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And where was it? | |
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GUZY, -
It was in – the border crossing is called Morine, and it was in Albania. And they had camps set up right there at the … | |
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LAMB, -
And what’s the country on the other side of that? | |
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GUZY, -
Kosovo. | |
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LAMB, -
Kosovo. | |
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GUZY, -
They were coming from Kosovo into – fleeing the Serb aggression in Kosovo. | |
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LAMB, -
Have you ever had a situation where somebody said – they’ve seen you take a picture, and they come up to you and say, I don’t want that? | |
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GUZY, -
All the time. Yes. It happens frequently. And I believe we need to respect people’s wishes. They have the right not to be photographed, as well.... | |
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LAMB, -
So, you don’t use it? | |
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GUZY, -
Well, usually not. I mean, we try to be sensitive. It depends, again, on what the situation is. But we try to be sensitive and get names, if we can,... | |
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And if someone doesn’t want their picture used, we don’t use it. | |
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We have … | |
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GUZY, -
What kind of bothers me sometimes, though, are people that come up, who have nothing to do with the story. You already have, you know, the trust of... | |
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And that gets disconcerting, because it’s really hard to explain to someone else that, you know, that that’s their right also to be photographed.... | |
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LAMB, -
1986 was your first Pulitzer, when you were at the “Miami Herald,” for the mud slide in Colombia; 1995 with the “Washington Post,” U.S. intervention... | |
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LAMB, -
Here are some – here are some photos about Katrina and animals. Explain this. | |
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GUZY, -
Yes. Oh, I was sent to cover the hurricane, initially. And I did – a few weeks after the fact, I started a story on the animal – the abandoned... | |
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GUZY, -
But in Miami, during Hurricane Andrew, I had also done a story on people who – shelters wouldn’t allow people to take their pets, so they were forced... | |
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GUZY, -
And so, the same thing happened in Katrina, only on a much grander scale. And we did a small story in the “Post.” And I then took a leave of absence... | |
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GUZY, -
But it was about six months where people from all over the country donated their time and came down and tried to find these people’s pets. And it... | |
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GUZY, -
But for some reason, the animals seemed to – if I show a slideshow just to photographers, this is the one they cry about – inevitably, always –... | |
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LAMB, -
How many pets do you have? | |
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GUZY, -
I have three dogs, a cat and a crazy cockatoo, a bird. | |
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LAMB, -
What’s that picture? | |
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GUZY, -
That’s paw prints in the muck that was left after the hurricane. | |
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LAMB, -
I notice that a lot of your shots are from above, looking down on things. Is that … | |
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GUZY, -
Well, I think we try to look for different angles no matter what it is and provide visual variety in the package, especially when you do long photo... | |
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GUZY, -
But the animals also, it wasn’t a story just on the animals. A lot of these people had lost not only their homes and sometimes loved ones, and their... | |
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How often did these folks that you take pictures of come to you and want a copy? | |
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GUZY, -
Oh, a lot of times. And I’m really bad at giving people pictures. I mean, these are pictures that I took on my own. But mostly, I work for the... | |
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LAMB, -
Did you have a favorite among all these? | |
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GUZY, -
It’s always hard to say what a favorite picture is, you know, because you’re so close to the images. I have memories of taking all these. | |
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This is, again, a picture that generated a lot of feedback from people that seems just so touched by this dog, who looks – sitting there with almost... | |
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GUZY, -
I went back afterwards trying to find out if someone did eventually get this dog, because there were rescue people coming all around where we were in... | |
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GUZY, -
It’s hard to look at something, and photograph it and leave, and not know if – you know, not be able to jump in the water and just grab him myself. | |
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LAMB, -
How much training did you get on how to take a photo? | |
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GUZY, -
I went to school at the Art Institute of Fort Lauderdale. It was a two-year photography program. It wasn’t photojournalism, but I had one photojournalism... | |
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LAMB, -
And when did you give up the idea of being a nurse? | |
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GUZY, -
When I – immediately. As soon as I entered nursing school, I realized it was almost too hands-on for me. I was afraid I’d make mistakes, I’d... | |
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GUZY, -
This was a far better niche. But I think nursing school teaches you a certain level of compassion, empathy, that carries over into this kind of work. | |
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LAMB, -
When I went through a lot of your photographs before we talked, I noticed in one copy somewhere where you said you had a meltdown in 2002, or something... | |
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Oh, absolutely. I mean, it was triggered by – a bad romantic break-up with a boyfriend was probably the catalyst. But, and I had been covering Kosovo... | |
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GUZY, -
But once the floodgates opened, it was post-traumatic stress, no question, depression, but a lot of – a lot of the images, a lot of the wailing women... | |
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GUZY, -
And I think it’s because I just was so frenetically going from one story to another, and working and working and working for so many years, and just... | |
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GUZY, -
But like I said, the camera can be a shield, and I think it can hold back your own emotions for a while. But you’re human, and you can’t see all... | |
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LAMB, -
So, what do you do now? If you’re going from story to story, you know that you’re sensitive, do you build in any downtime, or some way to get away... | |
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GUZY, -
Yes. I’m trying. I mean, I learned a little more about coping mechanisms and, you know, did some therapy. And I don’t cover the same stories... | |
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GUZY, -
But it’s been more long-term feature projects at home. But they can be pretty emotional, too, on a different level. | |
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GUZY, -
I don’t know. I’m obviously coping better than I was at that moment in time years ago. But it’s still – it still affects me, but now I realize... | |
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LAMB, -
So, your editor comes to you and says, one of two jobs. I want you to go to the 1996 Democratic Convention, or I want you to go down to Haiti and do... | |
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GUZY, -
I don’t usually get the choice like that for one thing. But I think, you know, the great thing about being a journalist is the variety, and that... | |
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GUZY, -
I mean, Haiti has been part of my heart for so long, that I could never ignore Haiti. In fact, I hadn’t been traveling for a long time, because my... | |
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LAMB, -
Well, here is that ’96 shoot of the Democratic Convention. | |
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(VIDEO CLIP FROM “POMP & CIRCUMSTANCE”) | |
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LAMB, -
Black-and-white? | |
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GUZY, -
Black-and-white used to – we were probably the last paper to go color. So, black-and-white was what I shot for most of my career. | |
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LAMB, -
What would you rather shoot? | |
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GUZY, -
Probably black-and-white. I mean, now, I’m so used to doing digital in color, that, you know, this is just how we do. But whenever I convert a picture... | |
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GUZY, -
It affects people, I think, on a more visceral level in many ways. And there’s no distractions – no color, different colors, different lighting... | |
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LAMB, -
When do you look at a photo and say, that’s just what I wanted? | |
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GUZY, -
Probably never. If you ask any of my editors, I’m pretty hard on myself in that way. I always miss – I miss more than I get, moments-wise. And... | |
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GUZY, -
But like I said, once in a while there are wow moments when you step back, and just because you were there and you saw it, and you just hope it’s... | |
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LAMB, -
Forget the wow for a moment. But when you look at a photograph, when do you say, that’s what I was trying to do? Not that it was the greatest photograph... | |
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GUZY, -
Oh, I think composition, you know, the artistic expression of photography almost becomes second nature when you’re working this long. I think, as... | |
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GUZY, -
So, for me, it’s hard to get it in one photograph, because I’m such a storyteller. So, I try to get a lot of different pieces, whether it’s little... | |
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LAMB, -
Before we look at the Sierra Leone photos, set it up. Where is it? What year was it? Why did you do this? | |
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GUZY, -
Sierra Leone was – it was 2000 – I’m so bad with years. It was right after Katrina … | |
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LAMB, -
So, 2006? | |
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GUZY, -
… 2006. It must have been 2006, yes. | |
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And I had just been to Sierra Leone with – I had done a story on war amputees who came to D.C. for prosthetic limbs. And it was like a four-year... | |
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GUZY, -
And they had invited me to go with them on her first trip back to Sierra Leone. So, I had been there on a personal trip with her, came back, and a... | |
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GUZY, -
I think, in Sierra Leone, it’s like one in eight women die in childbirth. It’s horrendous, and for a lot of avoidable reasons, you know. So … | |
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LAMB, -
What’s that? | |
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GUZY, -
That’s Jamella (ph). She arrived in a taxi at the hospital, maternity hospital in Freetown. I think that was her aunt brought her in. And she was... | |
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GUZY, -
I followed her through a C-section. They did an emergency C-section at the hospital, but she didn’t make it. She bled to death right in front of... | |
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LAMB, -
This photo? | |
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GUZY, -
Again, it’s the same hospital. | |
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GUZY, -
We spent some time in the rural areas trying to do this story. I went with Kevin Sullivan, who was the writer. And we decided better to spend –... | |
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This is Jamella (ph), too. That was her first and final look at her baby that was born before she died. | |
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LAMB, -
And why did they let you in the room? | |
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GUZY, -
We had – you know, we had obviously talked to the director of the hospital. And they knew we were there to do this story. And they definitely wanted... | |
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LAMB, -
What’s that contraption? | |
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GUZY, -
That again is – they had nothing. In order to elevate the bed, you know, because she was hemorrhaging, they needed to elevate the bed. And they... | |
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LAMB, -
And this is one of the best hospitals in Sierra Leone? | |
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GUZY, -
And for – yes. Probably … | |
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LAMB, -
What kind of … | |
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GUZY, -
… probably in general. But for maternity, it’s the maternity hospital. | |
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LAMB, -
What kind of conditions, cleanliness and all that? | |
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GUZY, -
Horrible. It was horrible. I mean, it was mosquito-ridden. This is Adama (ph). She also died. And I’m still in contact with her family, actually. | |
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GUZY, -
The nurses were so – they were so grateful for the mosquito spray I brought, because even the nurses had to sleep under tents, because the mosquitoes... | |
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GUZY, -
I mean, there were bodies of babies that had died, just piled up in the next room, right next to the women that were screaming in labor. | |
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LAMB, -
Those are dead babies then. | |
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GUZY, -
Yes. And the child mortality, obviously, is just as horrendous there. | |
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LAMB, -
All this was published? | |
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GUZY, -
Yes. | |
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LAMB, -
You’ve got the vultures up top. | |
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GUZY, -
Yes. | |
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LAMB, -
Did you see that right away? | |
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GUZY, -
Yes. I mean, it’s obviously symbolic. | |
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LAMB, -
How often does the audience that sees your work get this, the subtleties that you have in some of the photographs? Do you get any sense of that? | |
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GUZY, -
Yes, I get a lot of readers’ responses, especially now with e-mail that it’s so easy. People used to actually take time to write letters to us... | |
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GUZY, -
But now, you know, I get e-mails and messages from readers saying how touched and moved they were – or angry, whatever the situation may be – but... | |
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LAMB, -
We’re going to look at video from Sierra Leone war victims. Explain this. What are we going to see? | |
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GUZY, -
This is probably what I was talking about, my little Mamuna and the group that came for prosthetics. They were supposed to just come. | |
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GUZY, -
You know, when the war was raging in Sierra Leone, one of the forms of intimidation, I suppose, that the rebels used was amputation of civilians. So,... | |
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GUZY, -
When she was – she actually – it ended up that she – her grandmother was carrying her, and they shot through her. That’s how she lost her limb.... | |
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GUZY, -
But they were going to bring them here. A New York doctor was going to donate the limbs. And then they were going to send them back and kind of rotate... | |
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GUZY, -
But they realized that they couldn’t send them back, because they had been given so much media attention, for one thing. And they had these brand-new... | |
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GUZY, -
And everyone fell in love with them. So, they became almost an extended family that lived in Staten Island for years, until they all were eventually... | |
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LAMB, -
And the war was over what in Sierra Leone? | |
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GUZY, -
Blood diamonds, basically. Well, the war is always over power in one form or another. But, you know, there was a lot of control of the diamond mines.... | |
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LAMB, -
And what was the point of cutting off limbs of little kids? | |
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GUZY, -
As far as I can tell, just to intimidate the civilian population to – I don’t know. I think people go crazy in war situations sometimes. And they... | |
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GUZY, -
And they would tell them to go ask the president to get them a new arm, you know. | |
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LAMB, -
Let’s watch. | |
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LAMB, -
(VIDEO CLIP FROM “WOUNDED MESSENGERS”) | |
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LAMB, -
What happens to these young kids when they come to the United States and are adopted? Do you go back and check them later? Do you know them? I know... | |
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LAMB, -
But what – are they – how do they get along in our society? | |
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GUZY, -
Well, they obviously had to assimilate into American society. But they were so grateful. I mean, they lived in refugee camps, amputee camps in Sierra... | |
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GUZY, -
So, they were thrilled just to be able to – I remember, they would just eat really fast when they first got here, because they couldn’t believe... | |
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GUZY, -
A lot of them didn’t speak English when they first came. So – and I started hanging around with them. They named me Yemma, because they couldn’t... | |
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GUZY, -
But, yes, I try to keep in touch with them. One girl named Mariama (ph), she now does – she’s a beautiful dancer. She lives in Michigan with her... | |
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GUZY, -
So, ultimately, their lives became much better, you know. | |
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LAMB, -
How’s her English? | |
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GUZY, -
Fabulous now. I mean, they’re just – they’re little Americans now. So, I mean, but at the time I remember them trying to learn English. It... | |
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LAMB, -
There’s a high school in Washington that’s had a rough history, Ballou High School. And you did a feature on a young man named John Thomas. | |
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LAMB, -
Who is he? Who was he? Where is he? | |
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GUZY, -
Well, he was a student there who was trying to, you know, better himself. It was – his friend had been shot at the school. And it was a big news... | |
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GUZY, -
And I just got an e-mail, actually, a couple of weeks ago from one of his mentors saying how wonderful he’s doing. And he’s trying to give back... | |
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LAMB, -
Where is he now? | |
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GUZY, -
He went to school – and I can’t remember which school it was that he ended up going to. He was the first in his family to go to college. | |
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GUZY, -
And he was a great basketball player, and I’m not sure if he’s back here in D.C. now. I haven’t been able – I haven’t had time yet to contact... | |
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LAMB, -
What year did you do this? Do you remember? | |
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GUZY, -
There you go with the years again. | |
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GUZY, -
(LAUGHTER) | |
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LAMB, -
I’ve got it. | |
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GUZY, -
I can’t even remember the year I was born. | |
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LAMB, -
Let’s watch – I can find it here – let’s watch the video where John Thomas voices it over. | |
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LAMB, -
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) | |
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LAMB, -
JOHN THOMAS, GRADUATE OF BALLOU HIGH SCHOOL, WASHINGTON, D.C.: My name’s John Thomas. I grew up in southeast Washington. | |
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LAMB, -
When I was younger, I didn’t have any guidance. And I was like a threat to society. I wanted to get what I seen other kids had. I did whatever... | |
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LAMB, -
I seen a lot of my friends got killed. And a lot of friends been locked up. And I seen I didn’t want to go that way, but I felt like I ain’t have... | |
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LAMB, -
I stole cars, stealing from stores, going to jail twice. | |
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LAMB, -
I wasn’t focused on school, and I wasn’t going to school every day. I was seeing a lot of friends dropping out and not graduating. And I was walking... | |
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LAMB, -
When I was young, I used to always play basketball outside. Then I started coming out playing every day, and it became part of life. Every day I woke... | |
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LAMB, -
I didn’t want to be in jail. I didn’t want to get killed out on these streets. I wanted to be successful in life, which means I had to work hard... | |
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LAMB, -
My dream was to make it to the NBA or start my own business when I got out of college. | |
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LAMB, -
When I came to Ballou, I went to my teachers. And I did extra work to get the grades and play basketball, because I wanted to play ball. And when... | |
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LAMB, -
And I seen that the only way to meet my dreams was to finish high school and keep going with the education. | |
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LAMB, -
(END VIDEO CLIP) | |
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LAMB, -
How did you find John Thomas? | |
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GUZY, -
The reporter actually did. It was an assignment from the “Post.” And like I tend to do many times, it was – you know, it was not supposed to... | |
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GUZY, -
The school was pretty troubled at the time, because, like I said, they had just had a shooting there and a lot of issues going on. So, I think he recognized... | |
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LAMB, -
Have you ever tried to adopt any of these people that you’ve … | |
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GUZY, -
Oh, I have. I kind of have an extended family in Haiti. There’s kids that used to hang out with us all the time when we would photograph. And Haiti... | |
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GUZY, -
And it got to a point where I thought, you know, I can take as many pictures as I possibly can, but are people really going to see it? And is it really... | |
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GUZY, -
But I still believe that you can make a difference with photos. But the only way I could stay sane and still continue to cover Haiti was to pick one... | |
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GUZY, -
And I one point I had thought about adopting them. But my life was so – you know, I was single and roaming all over the place. And it was not a... | |
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GUZY, -
And they have a grandmother who, shockingly, is still alive. There’s not a – you know, people don’t live to be old in Haiti often. But she’s... | |
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LAMB, -
You were married for 10 years. Did you have children? | |
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GUZY, -
Seven years, never had kids – except my furry ones, dogs over the years. | |
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LAMB, -
And married to a UPI photographer that you met years ago? | |
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GUZY, -
He used to be UPI, then he went to AFP. | |
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LAMB, -
What impact did your father dying at a young age – and what age were you – did it have on you? | |
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GUZY, -
Oh, tremendous impact. I think it’s colored my whole world. I was six when he died. And the only thing I remember, really, is my mom telling me... | |
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GUZY, -
And I just kind of shut down after that. For years and years and years I wouldn’t even talk about him. No one could talk about him. In fact, I... | |
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GUZY, -
And I just think that being such a little, fragile, vulnerable young child, to have that kind of intense loss, it just ripped my heart out. And I would... | |
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LAMB, -
How did he die? | |
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GUZY, -
He had cirrhosis of the liver. He used to work in a textile factory. And they think it’s – he used to blow his nose, and the dyes would come out... | |
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GUZY, -
But he died at a young age, I think it was 51. | |
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LAMB, -
Brothers and sisters? | |
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GUZY, -
I have a sister – half-sister, really – which is my sister, Joan Kozar (ph). She was 14 years older than me, had a different father. | |
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GUZY, -
And she was kind of grown and out of the house by the time I was old enough to remember. And we got closer as I got older and stopped traveling a little... | |
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LAMB, -
And your mom did what in her life? | |
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GUZY, -
She was a – she worked in a sewing machine factory. She had a really hard life. My dad died, and she didn’t remarry again until I was 18. And... | |
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GUZY, -
We didn’t have a car when I was a kid. She used to just trudge up the hill with all her groceries. And, you know, she did the best she could. And... | |
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LAMB, -
What year did she get Alzheimer’s? | |
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GUZY, -
It’s been over 10 years now. It’s a long, sort of slow withering that that horrible, cruel disease does. It’s really been tough. | |
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LAMB, -
How old is she now? | |
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GUZY, -
She’s 94 now. | |
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GUZY, -
But I – when this Pulitzer happened – I don’t know if I can talk about it – but I went in the bathroom and I called the nursing home, and I... | |
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GUZY, -
So I said, can you just yell in her ear and tell her I won a Pulitzer today? Because she would have been proud. | |
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LAMB, -
The four Pulitzers that you’ve won, are they all – do they all have the same impact on you? | |
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GUZY, -
Well, it’s so – I’m so unprofessional. | |
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GUZY, -
See, I can’t deal with loss now, either. | |
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GUZY, -
The Pulitzers are amazing, because it’s such an honor to be recognized by your peers. But I think even more importantly, it shines the light on these... | |
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GUZY, -
So, I think, just to have this award happen and people say, “Oh, Haiti, yes. There’s still a great need there. There’s still suffering there,”... | |
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LAMB, -
I’m going to go way back, 1986, the mud slide in Colombia. Can you give us the background on that? | |
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GUZY, -
That was when I was very young and working at the “Miami Herald,” pretty much just starting out. And they had asked Michel duCille to cover it.... | |
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GUZY, -
But they had asked a different photographer, who was – I guess it was hunting season, and he didn’t want to miss hunting season. So, he turned... | |
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GUZY, -
And I was pretty inexperienced at the time, so I was surprised they even asked me to do it. But Michel and I flew down on a Learjet, because it was... | |
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GUZY, -
And we eventually met up there and tried to cover the story. And that was the days where you had to actually build a dark room and transmit pictures.... | |
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LAMB, -
Here’s Colombia 1986. | |
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LAMB, -
(VIDEO CLIP FROM “BURIED ALIVE”) | |
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LAMB, -
How many people died in that mud slide? | |
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GUZY, -
Twenty-five thousand. Over 25,000. It covered the whole town of Armero. | |
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GUZY, -
That’s what I said when they announced this Pulitzer. I said I was going to allow myself one moment of joy, because life can change so fast and be... | |
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GUZY, -
You know, the earth can tremble. The mud can come and, you know, I mean, I don’t know – where your life is over. Your loved ones are lost. So,... | |
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LAMB, -
Where were you on 9/11? | |
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GUZY, -
I was at my home in Arlington. And they had actually – my friend, Karen Ballard, she’s a photographer, as well. She was living in D.C. She called... | |
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GUZY, -
And about a minute afterwards, the “Post” called me and said, pack, you know, we’re sending multiple photographers to try to get into New York. | |
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GUZY, -
We all knew the magnitude of it pretty much immediately. But as I was packing, I heard the plane hit the Pentagon. I live that close to the Pentagon.... | |
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GUZY, -
And I called them and I said, you want me head to the Pentagon instead? And they still kept me going to New York. | |
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LAMB, -
Here’s some of your work. | |
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LAMB, -
(VIDEO CLIP FROM “FINAL SALUTE”) | |
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LAMB, -
You know, we’re about done. But I can just hear some of our viewers, those that stuck with it, saying, all right. Why did you do that to me? You... | |
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LAMB, -
What do you say to yourself? Why do you do this? There’s not much joy in the last hour. | |
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GUZY, -
Yes, but I think we all have to remember that there are other people suffering, and there are those in need that we can’t forget. I mean, I think... | |
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GUZY, -
And some of us are much more fortunate than others. And we can’t possibly forget that, because I think a social conscience is imperative in not only... | |
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LAMB, -
In the last 30 years of your professional career, what’s happened to the photographer? Are there more of them? Less of them? What kind of resources... | |
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GUZY, -
Well, fortunately, the “Post” still has resources that we’re, you know, we’re still covering stories. But we lost half our photography staff... | |
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GUZY, -
And I think there’s a lot of images being thrown at people, but they’re not vetted. You know, they come over Facebook or from people on the scene,... | |
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LAMB, -
Winner of the most recent photography Pulitzer. And we’ve got to get your two colleagues in again that were with you on this one. Who are the two? | |
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GUZY, -
It’s Nikki Kahn and Ricky Carioti. And I wish they were here, because, you know, this is a team effort. And not only them, but the editors. And... | |
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LAMB, -
But somehow, some way, you’ve won four of those Pulitzers with others over the last so many years. | |
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LAMB, -
Carol – and by the way, what’s the name Cuzy? | |
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GUZY, -
Guzy. | |
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LAMB, -
Guzy, I mean. | |
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GUZY, -
Russian origin. It’s probably been shortened from some long Russian name, way back when. | |
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LAMB, -
Carol Guzy, thank you very much for joining us. | |
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GUZY, -
Thank you so much. | |
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GUZY, -
END |