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Q&A with Carol Guzy

BRIAN LAMB, HOST, Q&A: Carol Guzy, can you remember the first time you thought about being a photographer?

CAROL GUZY,...

LAMB, -

You’ve won four Pulitzer Prizes. How often has that happened in the history of journalism?

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Never, as far as I’ve heard. This is the first.

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What’s it like? You just won one. What’s it like winning it? And how important is it to somebody in your profession?

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Well, it’s such a prestigious honor. But it’s always bittersweet, because it tends to be for stories like the Haitian earthquake where, you know,...

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Let’s look at the video of you getting the award at – I mean, you don’t get the award at the “Washington Post” newsroom, but the announcement...

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

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MARCUS BRAUCHLI, “WASHINGTON POST” EXECUTIVE EDITOR: So, the “Washington Post” wins a Pulitzer Prize for breaking news photography. Carol...

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(APPLAUSE AND CHEERS)

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Many of you will remember this scene on the news desk last year on January 12th. We had – we received word of a massive earthquake in Haiti.

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We only had the sketchiest information, but we had this sort of understanding that every time tragedy strikes Haiti, the U.S. gets involved, as it has...

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The newspaper, as you know, was filled with their images. Our website ran many photo galleries that I think rent millions of hearts.

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There’s a Haitian proverb taped to my refrigerator that says, “When you visit Haiti, it’ll break your heart. And when you leave, you won’t...

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I’ve wept for Haiti a thousand times over the years since my first trip during the Duvalier reign. But it’s nothing compared to the profound sorrow...

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RICKY CARIOTI, “WASHINGTON POST” PHOTOGRAPHER: I don’t have a prepared speech, but I’d like to thank everyone in this newsroom and my the editors...

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NIKKI KAHN, “WASHINGTON POST” PHOTOGRAPHER: This is pretty amazing. You know, two hours of sleep was a lot, because Carol was always out there...

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So, it was – we just kept plugging away and under incredible circumstances. So, it’s a privilege to share this with Carol and Ricky. Thanks.

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(END VIDEO CLIP)

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How do you work together when you’re on a scene like Haiti with the three of you?

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Well, Ricky actually went later to cover the follow-up aftermath stories, and Nikki and I were down there together. But it was really hard, the communication....

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So, it was – we kind of would cross paths occasionally at the hotel. But it was so chaotic, that we were pretty much off in our own direction a lot...

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How many times have you been to Haiti?

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Oh, I couldn’t even count how many times. I started when I worked at the “Miami Herald.” I used to cover the – it was the first job I had,...

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And for, over a decade, it was almost like an obsession or a mission – I don’t know what word you want to use – that I relentlessly covered Haiti.

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1980 to 1988, “Miami Herald.” 1988 to now, “Washington Post”?

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Right.

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Let’s look at the photographs. And I know you didn’t take all of these, but these are the photographs that won this year’s Pulitzer for photography....

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Yes, this was Nikki’s picture, actually. And a little back story on Nikki.

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My boss now is Michel duCille, who is an amazing person, who, you know, manages with a great deal of dignity and heart and humanity. And we started...

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So, it’s – I don’t know what the odds are of that. But it’s quite amazing.

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Who took this next picture?

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Well, that’s mine. It’s hard even to look at that now. I mean, that was the morgue. It was a sea of bodies.

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It’s just kind of indescribable.

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I photographed – I shot a few frames, not that many. And then I moved on, because I just thought it would be unpublishable. But it was very telling,...

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It’s now over 300,000 people have died in that tragedy. And it’s just hard to imagine.

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This is Nikki’s picture, as well. It’s a portrait from one of the old folks’ homes down there. And I think the elderly – the children and...

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And this picture breaks my heart, probably more than any in the whole package.

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Do you have to ask them to take their picture like that?

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In Haiti it – people seemed – in my experience in Haiti, people are so open to photographs and journalism. And there doesn’t seem to be the same...

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So, in a situation like this, I think, residents were really concerned about getting the word out. And the need was so great, that I think they realized...

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A picture of the feet. Is this woman dead?

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Yes. The body. And it was just – that one little high heel on and off, you know – I can’t even look at these pictures without crying, actually.

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Did you take that?

GUZY, -

Yes, that’s my picture. And it just kind of speaks to the – you know, the moment time stopped for everyone.

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And people were going about their daily lives in their pretty little high heels. Probably, you know, who knows? Maybe she was walking to her job,...

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And this is my picture, as well. The first day we were there a school collapsed, St. Gerard. And there were school children still in their uniforms,...

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This young lady came and started weeping. And my translator said she was saying, “I can see my brother’s feet, but I can’t pull him out.”

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And she threw herself on the rubble wailing.

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It’s hard to imagine. It’s one thing being killed instantly, I think. But for the folks left behind, the loss was so tremendous, that it’s unimaginable.

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And this was at a – this was a few weeks afterwards, I believe, after the earthquake, where rescue groups and international aid groups were coming...

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This is 2008.

GUZY, -

No, this is ’10, last year.

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Oh, ’10.

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And this is Nikki’s picture. This is another wrenching picture. You know, it’s just – the innocence of that little child that’s battered,...

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How do you do it when you’re confronted with this? I mean, what do you do with your mind when you’re taking these pictures?

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I think, for me – you know, I think every photographer is different – but I think the camera is a shield many times. I mean, it helps you, I think,...

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I mean, you have to take the pictures. And you have to be able to transmit them back. So, I think that shield helps during the time. It’s afterwards....

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I’ve read you’re shy.

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Yes, I am. I kind of hide behind the camera. So, this is very uncomfortable.

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Yes, this picture was taken weeks after, as well, when they were still pulling bodies out of the rubble. That’s why those bodies were already decomposing.

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And life had to move on, but life meant you were still smelling the stench of death everywhere and bodies lying in the streets.

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The one thing that we who have not been there and looked at it from afar, you just mentioned the smell. Is that something you never forget?

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Oh, you never forget it. It gets in your nostrils and it never goes away. And it’s something you can’t photograph. And it’s part of this whole...

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Have all of these pictures been published?

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Yes.

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But you take how many pictures to get to one that’s published?

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Oh I, well, Michel says I shoot movies. Everybody hates to edit my film. Back in the day we called it film, now my digital cards.

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But I shoot an awful lot of pictures. I don’t want to hesitate, because I believe the moment is everything in a picture. So, I take the pictures.

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And what about this moment?

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And that actually ran on the front page of the “Post.” That’s the same school, the little girl crushed at her desk that I was talking about before.

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And this young man, they were going – these were Haitian survivors that were going and trying to reach a teacher that was trapped in the rubble, who...

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But that’s a heartbreaking picture. And it generated a lot of discussion from readers, because they felt – some people felt it was too harsh, perhaps...

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But I think there’s a danger in censoring reality sometimes, especially when the tragedy is so devastating, like this earthquake was, when 300,000...

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When somebody like you goes into a country like this, how do you – where do you stay? And how do you get food when the people there can’t even...

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Well, we – I had been to Haiti so many times, we knew where to head. At first we weren’t quite sure. We drove – we flew into the Dominican Republic...

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But we had heard from a Haitian photographer, Daniel Morel, who lived there – he now lives in New York. He was there at the time. And he said the...

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How prepared are you with transmission gear to get stuff back?

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It was technical hell, actually, on top of, you know, just bearing witness to this awful catastrophe and the emotional toll and the physically demanding...

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I mean, two sat phones, laptops, the cell, the BlackBerry they sent me, for some reason nothing worked for me. But I had a colleague who very selflessly...

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It seems that would be a tense moment, if a colleague wouldn’t give up one of their cameras.

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Well, it wasn’t the cameras. My cameras worked. That was the only thing that worked. I took the pictures, but he helped me transmit. He helped...

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And that was the most important thing. I mean, it was useless to just take them and not have them seen.

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Have you ever been in a situation where nothing worked at all, and you couldn’t get a picture out?

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I’ve had cameras crash. And, you know, I usually like to take backup because of that reason, because we’re so dependent on technical pieces of...

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Going to move beyond Haiti to some of your other winnings and some of your other photographs.

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There’s – we have some video here of shots of the Berlin Wall and of Czechoslovakia in 1989. Now, the music, you put on this?

GUZY, -

Yes. It’s just music that’s in my collection of CDs that I put when I used to do presentations to photo students. And I think it adds another...

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Would you have been shooting film at this time?

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Yes, Definitely.

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OK. Let’s watch.

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(VIDEO CLIP FROM “IRON CURTAIN”)

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What were the circumstances that had you there at that time?

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Well, I had, before the Wall fell, I had been there. Our instincts were that something big was happening there, you know. And I had been covering...

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Where had you been?

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In Germany, East Germany.

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And you came back here?

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And I came back to D.C. And then we – Rich Lipski and I immediately went right back as soon as we could get there for this monumentally historic...

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It was one of those times where you kind of put the camera down and, you know, you really realized for a second that you were witnessing such amazing...

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There’s a photo of you right here on the screen.

GUZY, -

Yes.

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Taken by Rich Lipski?

GUZY, -

Yes.

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Explain that one.

GUZY, -

That was – well, the first chunk of the Wall was being taken out that day. And, you know, I was trying to take pictures. I mean, I think they found...

GUZY, -

But before that – or after, I’m not quite sure which – I had been in this amazing, like, crushing crowd of everyone trying to see the Wall, the...

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And I looked around and I saw a really tall male, sturdy tripod with a kind face, looking at me. And I tapped him on the shoulder. I said, “Can...

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And it’s the only way I was able to photograph that scene. So, I’ll forever more – I have no idea what his name was, but he was a really kind...

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Here’s some photos from Kosovo and Albania. In 1999?

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Yes.

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(VIDEO CLIP FROM “KOSOVO’S SORROW”)

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Do people notice you taking pictures of them in those moments?

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Well, it depends on the story. I mean, it’s much different depending on the story.

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Kosovo – when it’s such a dramatic, intense situation that people are going through, I think they don’t notice you as much.

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But again, in this situation, people were actually begging us to document it, to record it, because the ethnic cleansing, one of those situations where...

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So, they really wanted it documented.

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What were the circumstances that took you to that area of the world in ’99?

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The “Post” sent Michael Williamson, Lucian Perkins and I to cover it from different parts. I was in Albania where the refugees were coming across...

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And actually, one of the pictures in there, the little baby going through the barbed wire, has probably generated almost more reaction from readers...

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Why that picture? And I know I saw it in a lot of print.

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I don’t know. For some reason, it resonates with people’s souls. Maybe it’s the, you know, war and innocence in the same picture, the juxtaposition....

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What did you think at the time you took the picture?

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It was one of those wow moments. Actually, it was a positive thing. The family had just come through the border. And for some reason – I think...

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This fence was the scene of a lot of reunions. So, my friend and I, Tom Hurst – I think he was working for the “Seattle Times” at that time –...

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And when they came, it was this scene of joy. And they were passing not only that baby, but a lot of children back and forth. And it was just this...

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And where was it?

GUZY, -

It was in – the border crossing is called Morine, and it was in Albania. And they had camps set up right there at the …

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And what’s the country on the other side of that?

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Kosovo.

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Kosovo.

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They were coming from Kosovo into – fleeing the Serb aggression in Kosovo.

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Have you ever had a situation where somebody said – they’ve seen you take a picture, and they come up to you and say, I don’t want that?

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All the time. Yes. It happens frequently. And I believe we need to respect people’s wishes. They have the right not to be photographed, as well....

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So, you don’t use it?

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Well, usually not. I mean, we try to be sensitive. It depends, again, on what the situation is. But we try to be sensitive and get names, if we can,...

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And if someone doesn’t want their picture used, we don’t use it.

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We have …

GUZY, -

What kind of bothers me sometimes, though, are people that come up, who have nothing to do with the story. You already have, you know, the trust of...

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And that gets disconcerting, because it’s really hard to explain to someone else that, you know, that that’s their right also to be photographed....

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1986 was your first Pulitzer, when you were at the “Miami Herald,” for the mud slide in Colombia; 1995 with the “Washington Post,” U.S. intervention...

LAMB, -

Here are some – here are some photos about Katrina and animals. Explain this.

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Yes. Oh, I was sent to cover the hurricane, initially. And I did – a few weeks after the fact, I started a story on the animal – the abandoned...

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But in Miami, during Hurricane Andrew, I had also done a story on people who – shelters wouldn’t allow people to take their pets, so they were forced...

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And so, the same thing happened in Katrina, only on a much grander scale. And we did a small story in the “Post.” And I then took a leave of absence...

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But it was about six months where people from all over the country donated their time and came down and tried to find these people’s pets. And it...

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But for some reason, the animals seemed to – if I show a slideshow just to photographers, this is the one they cry about – inevitably, always –...

LAMB, -

How many pets do you have?

GUZY, -

I have three dogs, a cat and a crazy cockatoo, a bird.

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What’s that picture?

GUZY, -

That’s paw prints in the muck that was left after the hurricane.

LAMB, -

I notice that a lot of your shots are from above, looking down on things. Is that …

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Well, I think we try to look for different angles no matter what it is and provide visual variety in the package, especially when you do long photo...

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But the animals also, it wasn’t a story just on the animals. A lot of these people had lost not only their homes and sometimes loved ones, and their...

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How often did these folks that you take pictures of come to you and want a copy?

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Oh, a lot of times. And I’m really bad at giving people pictures. I mean, these are pictures that I took on my own. But mostly, I work for the...

LAMB, -

Did you have a favorite among all these?

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It’s always hard to say what a favorite picture is, you know, because you’re so close to the images. I have memories of taking all these.

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This is, again, a picture that generated a lot of feedback from people that seems just so touched by this dog, who looks – sitting there with almost...

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I went back afterwards trying to find out if someone did eventually get this dog, because there were rescue people coming all around where we were in...

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It’s hard to look at something, and photograph it and leave, and not know if – you know, not be able to jump in the water and just grab him myself.

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How much training did you get on how to take a photo?

GUZY, -

I went to school at the Art Institute of Fort Lauderdale. It was a two-year photography program. It wasn’t photojournalism, but I had one photojournalism...

LAMB, -

And when did you give up the idea of being a nurse?

GUZY, -

When I – immediately. As soon as I entered nursing school, I realized it was almost too hands-on for me. I was afraid I’d make mistakes, I’d...

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This was a far better niche. But I think nursing school teaches you a certain level of compassion, empathy, that carries over into this kind of work.

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When I went through a lot of your photographs before we talked, I noticed in one copy somewhere where you said you had a meltdown in 2002, or something...

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Oh, absolutely. I mean, it was triggered by – a bad romantic break-up with a boyfriend was probably the catalyst. But, and I had been covering Kosovo...

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But once the floodgates opened, it was post-traumatic stress, no question, depression, but a lot of – a lot of the images, a lot of the wailing women...

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And I think it’s because I just was so frenetically going from one story to another, and working and working and working for so many years, and just...

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But like I said, the camera can be a shield, and I think it can hold back your own emotions for a while. But you’re human, and you can’t see all...

LAMB, -

So, what do you do now? If you’re going from story to story, you know that you’re sensitive, do you build in any downtime, or some way to get away...

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Yes. I’m trying. I mean, I learned a little more about coping mechanisms and, you know, did some therapy. And I don’t cover the same stories...

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But it’s been more long-term feature projects at home. But they can be pretty emotional, too, on a different level.

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I don’t know. I’m obviously coping better than I was at that moment in time years ago. But it’s still – it still affects me, but now I realize...

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So, your editor comes to you and says, one of two jobs. I want you to go to the 1996 Democratic Convention, or I want you to go down to Haiti and do...

GUZY, -

I don’t usually get the choice like that for one thing. But I think, you know, the great thing about being a journalist is the variety, and that...

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I mean, Haiti has been part of my heart for so long, that I could never ignore Haiti. In fact, I hadn’t been traveling for a long time, because my...

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Well, here is that ’96 shoot of the Democratic Convention.

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(VIDEO CLIP FROM “POMP & CIRCUMSTANCE”)

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Black-and-white?

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Black-and-white used to – we were probably the last paper to go color. So, black-and-white was what I shot for most of my career.

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What would you rather shoot?

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Probably black-and-white. I mean, now, I’m so used to doing digital in color, that, you know, this is just how we do. But whenever I convert a picture...

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It affects people, I think, on a more visceral level in many ways. And there’s no distractions – no color, different colors, different lighting...

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When do you look at a photo and say, that’s just what I wanted?

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Probably never. If you ask any of my editors, I’m pretty hard on myself in that way. I always miss – I miss more than I get, moments-wise. And...

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But like I said, once in a while there are wow moments when you step back, and just because you were there and you saw it, and you just hope it’s...

LAMB, -

Forget the wow for a moment. But when you look at a photograph, when do you say, that’s what I was trying to do? Not that it was the greatest photograph...

GUZY, -

Oh, I think composition, you know, the artistic expression of photography almost becomes second nature when you’re working this long. I think, as...

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So, for me, it’s hard to get it in one photograph, because I’m such a storyteller. So, I try to get a lot of different pieces, whether it’s little...

LAMB, -

Before we look at the Sierra Leone photos, set it up. Where is it? What year was it? Why did you do this?

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Sierra Leone was – it was 2000 – I’m so bad with years. It was right after Katrina …

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So, 2006?

GUZY, -

… 2006. It must have been 2006, yes.

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And I had just been to Sierra Leone with – I had done a story on war amputees who came to D.C. for prosthetic limbs. And it was like a four-year...

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And they had invited me to go with them on her first trip back to Sierra Leone. So, I had been there on a personal trip with her, came back, and a...

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I think, in Sierra Leone, it’s like one in eight women die in childbirth. It’s horrendous, and for a lot of avoidable reasons, you know. So …

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What’s that?

GUZY, -

That’s Jamella (ph). She arrived in a taxi at the hospital, maternity hospital in Freetown. I think that was her aunt brought her in. And she was...

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I followed her through a C-section. They did an emergency C-section at the hospital, but she didn’t make it. She bled to death right in front of...

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This photo?

GUZY, -

Again, it’s the same hospital.

GUZY, -

We spent some time in the rural areas trying to do this story. I went with Kevin Sullivan, who was the writer. And we decided better to spend –...

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This is Jamella (ph), too. That was her first and final look at her baby that was born before she died.

LAMB, -

And why did they let you in the room?

GUZY, -

We had – you know, we had obviously talked to the director of the hospital. And they knew we were there to do this story. And they definitely wanted...

LAMB, -

What’s that contraption?

GUZY, -

That again is – they had nothing. In order to elevate the bed, you know, because she was hemorrhaging, they needed to elevate the bed. And they...

LAMB, -

And this is one of the best hospitals in Sierra Leone?

GUZY, -

And for – yes. Probably …

LAMB, -

What kind of …

GUZY, -

… probably in general. But for maternity, it’s the maternity hospital.

LAMB, -

What kind of conditions, cleanliness and all that?

GUZY, -

Horrible. It was horrible. I mean, it was mosquito-ridden. This is Adama (ph). She also died. And I’m still in contact with her family, actually.

GUZY, -

The nurses were so – they were so grateful for the mosquito spray I brought, because even the nurses had to sleep under tents, because the mosquitoes...

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I mean, there were bodies of babies that had died, just piled up in the next room, right next to the women that were screaming in labor.

LAMB, -

Those are dead babies then.

GUZY, -

Yes. And the child mortality, obviously, is just as horrendous there.

LAMB, -

All this was published?

GUZY, -

Yes.

LAMB, -

You’ve got the vultures up top.

GUZY, -

Yes.

LAMB, -

Did you see that right away?

GUZY, -

Yes. I mean, it’s obviously symbolic.

LAMB, -

How often does the audience that sees your work get this, the subtleties that you have in some of the photographs? Do you get any sense of that?

GUZY, -

Yes, I get a lot of readers’ responses, especially now with e-mail that it’s so easy. People used to actually take time to write letters to us...

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But now, you know, I get e-mails and messages from readers saying how touched and moved they were – or angry, whatever the situation may be – but...

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We’re going to look at video from Sierra Leone war victims. Explain this. What are we going to see?

GUZY, -

This is probably what I was talking about, my little Mamuna and the group that came for prosthetics. They were supposed to just come.

GUZY, -

You know, when the war was raging in Sierra Leone, one of the forms of intimidation, I suppose, that the rebels used was amputation of civilians. So,...

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When she was – she actually – it ended up that she – her grandmother was carrying her, and they shot through her. That’s how she lost her limb....

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But they were going to bring them here. A New York doctor was going to donate the limbs. And then they were going to send them back and kind of rotate...

GUZY, -

But they realized that they couldn’t send them back, because they had been given so much media attention, for one thing. And they had these brand-new...

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And everyone fell in love with them. So, they became almost an extended family that lived in Staten Island for years, until they all were eventually...

LAMB, -

And the war was over what in Sierra Leone?

GUZY, -

Blood diamonds, basically. Well, the war is always over power in one form or another. But, you know, there was a lot of control of the diamond mines....

LAMB, -

And what was the point of cutting off limbs of little kids?

GUZY, -

As far as I can tell, just to intimidate the civilian population to – I don’t know. I think people go crazy in war situations sometimes. And they...

GUZY, -

And they would tell them to go ask the president to get them a new arm, you know.

LAMB, -

Let’s watch.

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(VIDEO CLIP FROM “WOUNDED MESSENGERS”)

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What happens to these young kids when they come to the United States and are adopted? Do you go back and check them later? Do you know them? I know...

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But what – are they – how do they get along in our society?

GUZY, -

Well, they obviously had to assimilate into American society. But they were so grateful. I mean, they lived in refugee camps, amputee camps in Sierra...

GUZY, -

So, they were thrilled just to be able to – I remember, they would just eat really fast when they first got here, because they couldn’t believe...

GUZY, -

A lot of them didn’t speak English when they first came. So – and I started hanging around with them. They named me Yemma, because they couldn’t...

GUZY, -

But, yes, I try to keep in touch with them. One girl named Mariama (ph), she now does – she’s a beautiful dancer. She lives in Michigan with her...

GUZY, -

So, ultimately, their lives became much better, you know.

LAMB, -

How’s her English?

GUZY, -

Fabulous now. I mean, they’re just – they’re little Americans now. So, I mean, but at the time I remember them trying to learn English. It...

LAMB, -

There’s a high school in Washington that’s had a rough history, Ballou High School. And you did a feature on a young man named John Thomas.

LAMB, -

Who is he? Who was he? Where is he?

GUZY, -

Well, he was a student there who was trying to, you know, better himself. It was – his friend had been shot at the school. And it was a big news...

GUZY, -

And I just got an e-mail, actually, a couple of weeks ago from one of his mentors saying how wonderful he’s doing. And he’s trying to give back...

LAMB, -

Where is he now?

GUZY, -

He went to school – and I can’t remember which school it was that he ended up going to. He was the first in his family to go to college.

GUZY, -

And he was a great basketball player, and I’m not sure if he’s back here in D.C. now. I haven’t been able – I haven’t had time yet to contact...

LAMB, -

What year did you do this? Do you remember?

GUZY, -

There you go with the years again.

GUZY, -

(LAUGHTER)

LAMB, -

I’ve got it.

GUZY, -

I can’t even remember the year I was born.

LAMB, -

Let’s watch – I can find it here – let’s watch the video where John Thomas voices it over.

LAMB, -

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LAMB, -

JOHN THOMAS, GRADUATE OF BALLOU HIGH SCHOOL, WASHINGTON, D.C.: My name’s John Thomas. I grew up in southeast Washington.

LAMB, -

When I was younger, I didn’t have any guidance. And I was like a threat to society. I wanted to get what I seen other kids had. I did whatever...

LAMB, -

I seen a lot of my friends got killed. And a lot of friends been locked up. And I seen I didn’t want to go that way, but I felt like I ain’t have...

LAMB, -

I stole cars, stealing from stores, going to jail twice.

LAMB, -

I wasn’t focused on school, and I wasn’t going to school every day. I was seeing a lot of friends dropping out and not graduating. And I was walking...

LAMB, -

When I was young, I used to always play basketball outside. Then I started coming out playing every day, and it became part of life. Every day I woke...

LAMB, -

I didn’t want to be in jail. I didn’t want to get killed out on these streets. I wanted to be successful in life, which means I had to work hard...

LAMB, -

My dream was to make it to the NBA or start my own business when I got out of college.

LAMB, -

When I came to Ballou, I went to my teachers. And I did extra work to get the grades and play basketball, because I wanted to play ball. And when...

LAMB, -

And I seen that the only way to meet my dreams was to finish high school and keep going with the education.

LAMB, -

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LAMB, -

How did you find John Thomas?

GUZY, -

The reporter actually did. It was an assignment from the “Post.” And like I tend to do many times, it was – you know, it was not supposed to...

GUZY, -

The school was pretty troubled at the time, because, like I said, they had just had a shooting there and a lot of issues going on. So, I think he recognized...

LAMB, -

Have you ever tried to adopt any of these people that you’ve …

GUZY, -

Oh, I have. I kind of have an extended family in Haiti. There’s kids that used to hang out with us all the time when we would photograph. And Haiti...

GUZY, -

And it got to a point where I thought, you know, I can take as many pictures as I possibly can, but are people really going to see it? And is it really...

GUZY, -

But I still believe that you can make a difference with photos. But the only way I could stay sane and still continue to cover Haiti was to pick one...

GUZY, -

And I one point I had thought about adopting them. But my life was so – you know, I was single and roaming all over the place. And it was not a...

GUZY, -

And they have a grandmother who, shockingly, is still alive. There’s not a – you know, people don’t live to be old in Haiti often. But she’s...

LAMB, -

You were married for 10 years. Did you have children?

GUZY, -

Seven years, never had kids – except my furry ones, dogs over the years.

LAMB, -

And married to a UPI photographer that you met years ago?

GUZY, -

He used to be UPI, then he went to AFP.

LAMB, -

What impact did your father dying at a young age – and what age were you – did it have on you?

GUZY, -

Oh, tremendous impact. I think it’s colored my whole world. I was six when he died. And the only thing I remember, really, is my mom telling me...

GUZY, -

And I just kind of shut down after that. For years and years and years I wouldn’t even talk about him. No one could talk about him. In fact, I...

GUZY, -

And I just think that being such a little, fragile, vulnerable young child, to have that kind of intense loss, it just ripped my heart out. And I would...

LAMB, -

How did he die?

GUZY, -

He had cirrhosis of the liver. He used to work in a textile factory. And they think it’s – he used to blow his nose, and the dyes would come out...

GUZY, -

But he died at a young age, I think it was 51.

LAMB, -

Brothers and sisters?

GUZY, -

I have a sister – half-sister, really – which is my sister, Joan Kozar (ph). She was 14 years older than me, had a different father.

GUZY, -

And she was kind of grown and out of the house by the time I was old enough to remember. And we got closer as I got older and stopped traveling a little...

LAMB, -

And your mom did what in her life?

GUZY, -

She was a – she worked in a sewing machine factory. She had a really hard life. My dad died, and she didn’t remarry again until I was 18. And...

GUZY, -

We didn’t have a car when I was a kid. She used to just trudge up the hill with all her groceries. And, you know, she did the best she could. And...

LAMB, -

What year did she get Alzheimer’s?

GUZY, -

It’s been over 10 years now. It’s a long, sort of slow withering that that horrible, cruel disease does. It’s really been tough.

LAMB, -

How old is she now?

GUZY, -

She’s 94 now.

GUZY, -

But I – when this Pulitzer happened – I don’t know if I can talk about it – but I went in the bathroom and I called the nursing home, and I...

GUZY, -

So I said, can you just yell in her ear and tell her I won a Pulitzer today? Because she would have been proud.

LAMB, -

The four Pulitzers that you’ve won, are they all – do they all have the same impact on you?

GUZY, -

Well, it’s so – I’m so unprofessional.

GUZY, -

See, I can’t deal with loss now, either.

GUZY, -

The Pulitzers are amazing, because it’s such an honor to be recognized by your peers. But I think even more importantly, it shines the light on these...

GUZY, -

So, I think, just to have this award happen and people say, “Oh, Haiti, yes. There’s still a great need there. There’s still suffering there,”...

LAMB, -

I’m going to go way back, 1986, the mud slide in Colombia. Can you give us the background on that?

GUZY, -

That was when I was very young and working at the “Miami Herald,” pretty much just starting out. And they had asked Michel duCille to cover it....

GUZY, -

But they had asked a different photographer, who was – I guess it was hunting season, and he didn’t want to miss hunting season. So, he turned...

GUZY, -

And I was pretty inexperienced at the time, so I was surprised they even asked me to do it. But Michel and I flew down on a Learjet, because it was...

GUZY, -

And we eventually met up there and tried to cover the story. And that was the days where you had to actually build a dark room and transmit pictures....

LAMB, -

Here’s Colombia 1986.

LAMB, -

(VIDEO CLIP FROM “BURIED ALIVE”)

LAMB, -

How many people died in that mud slide?

GUZY, -

Twenty-five thousand. Over 25,000. It covered the whole town of Armero.

GUZY, -

That’s what I said when they announced this Pulitzer. I said I was going to allow myself one moment of joy, because life can change so fast and be...

GUZY, -

You know, the earth can tremble. The mud can come and, you know, I mean, I don’t know – where your life is over. Your loved ones are lost. So,...

LAMB, -

Where were you on 9/11?

GUZY, -

I was at my home in Arlington. And they had actually – my friend, Karen Ballard, she’s a photographer, as well. She was living in D.C. She called...

GUZY, -

And about a minute afterwards, the “Post” called me and said, pack, you know, we’re sending multiple photographers to try to get into New York.

GUZY, -

We all knew the magnitude of it pretty much immediately. But as I was packing, I heard the plane hit the Pentagon. I live that close to the Pentagon....

GUZY, -

And I called them and I said, you want me head to the Pentagon instead? And they still kept me going to New York.

LAMB, -

Here’s some of your work.

LAMB, -

(VIDEO CLIP FROM “FINAL SALUTE”)

LAMB, -

You know, we’re about done. But I can just hear some of our viewers, those that stuck with it, saying, all right. Why did you do that to me? You...

LAMB, -

What do you say to yourself? Why do you do this? There’s not much joy in the last hour.

GUZY, -

Yes, but I think we all have to remember that there are other people suffering, and there are those in need that we can’t forget. I mean, I think...

GUZY, -

And some of us are much more fortunate than others. And we can’t possibly forget that, because I think a social conscience is imperative in not only...

LAMB, -

In the last 30 years of your professional career, what’s happened to the photographer? Are there more of them? Less of them? What kind of resources...

GUZY, -

Well, fortunately, the “Post” still has resources that we’re, you know, we’re still covering stories. But we lost half our photography staff...

GUZY, -

And I think there’s a lot of images being thrown at people, but they’re not vetted. You know, they come over Facebook or from people on the scene,...

LAMB, -

Winner of the most recent photography Pulitzer. And we’ve got to get your two colleagues in again that were with you on this one. Who are the two?

GUZY, -

It’s Nikki Kahn and Ricky Carioti. And I wish they were here, because, you know, this is a team effort. And not only them, but the editors. And...

LAMB, -

But somehow, some way, you’ve won four of those Pulitzers with others over the last so many years.

LAMB, -

Carol – and by the way, what’s the name Cuzy?

GUZY, -

Guzy.

LAMB, -

Guzy, I mean.

GUZY, -

Russian origin. It’s probably been shortened from some long Russian name, way back when.

LAMB, -

Carol Guzy, thank you very much for joining us.

GUZY, -

Thank you so much.

GUZY, -

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