| 00:00:03 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
PROFESSOR SHARITA THOMPSON TEACHES A STUDY COURSE ON SEX AND THE CIVIL WAR. IN TODAY'S CLASS SHE FOCUSES ON PROSTITUTION IN THE NORTH AND SOUTH. THIS...
|
| 00:00:23 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. SO -- GOOD EVENING. TODAY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ABOUT THE TOPIC SEX AND THE CIVIL WAR. YOU GUYS HAD A COUPLE OF READINGS THAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED...
|
| 00:04:40 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
PENICILLIN AND THEN IT WAS A MAN'S JOB TO GO AND DEFEND HER HONOR. >> SO A WOMAN'S PLACE WAS
|
| 00:04:50 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NOT IN THE PUBLIC SPEAR BUT IN THE PRIVATE SPEAR, RIGHT, AND SO HOW DID THESE PROSTITUTES BETRAY THAT IDEA? >> I JUST QUICKLY WANT TO
|
| 00:05:02 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ADD ON WHAT BRAXTON SAID, THAT THE ONLY ROLE THAT THEY WOULD PLAY IN A PUBLIC SPHERE WOULD BE ON THAT PEDESTAL, TO BE HONORED, TON AN EXAMPLE OF AN...
|
| 00:05:21 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
DOMAIN WERE THESE WOMEN OVER? WAS IT A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE DOMAIN? >> PRIVATE,
|
| 00:05:26 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
RIGHT. >> SO EVEN
|
| 00:05:27 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WHEN WE TALK BEFORE ABOUT THE IDEA OF WOMEN TALKING ABOUT POLITICS, SOMETHING THEY STARTED TO DO DURING THE CIVIL WAR, WERE THEY DOING THAT PRIMARILY...
|
| 00:06:08 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO REMAIN A VIRGIN UNTIL YOU'RE MARRIED AND NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE SEX UNTIL THE MARRIAGE AND THESE WOMEN ARE DOING EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF THAT, USING...
|
| 00:06:32 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THAT UP, MICHAEL, BECAUSE INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH ANY WOMEN TO THESE UPPER CLASS AND MEN WHO HAD SEX OUTSIDE OF A MARRIAGE WERE CONSIDERED PROSTITUTES, EVEN...
|
| 00:06:48 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BECOMING PROSTITUTES, THEY WERE ALSO PUTTING THEMSELVES VERY MUCH IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE, NOT IN THE PRIVATE SPHERE THAT THEY HAD BEEN TYPICALLY SUPPOSED...
|
| 00:06:58 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BRINGS UP ANOTHER GOOD WAY FOR US TO WEDGE OUR WAY INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY CONCERNING THESE PERFORMERS, RIGHT? BECAUSE BEFORE THE 180s,...
|
| 00:08:43 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THAT IN ADDITION TO BEING PART OF THE WORKING CLASS THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO EARN LOWER WAGES, EVEN IF THEY WERE DOING EQUAL WORK, AS MEN IN FACTORIES. ...
|
| 00:08:54 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY, AND THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT WE STILL CONTEND WITH, RIGHT? THE DISPARITY BETWEEN THE, OF MEN AND WOMEN, ABSOLUTELY. NOW HOW MANY...
|
| 00:09:22 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MARGARET SANGER. >> AND WHO IS
|
| 00:09:24 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SHE? >> THE SEWING MACHINE OR
|
| 00:09:26 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TYPE WRITER. >> ANYBODY
|
| 00:09:29 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ELSE? >> SHE WAS
|
| 00:09:32 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AN ADVOCATE FOR -- FOR BIRTH
|
| 00:09:34 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CONTROL. >> FOR BIRTH CONTROL. >> RIGHT, BRAXTON,
|
| 00:09:36 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CORRECT, CORRECT. >> SO HER HUSBAND IN THE
|
| 00:09:40 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
1850s, WHILE A RESIDENT AND RESIDENT AT THE HOSPITAL ON WHAT IS NOW CALLED ROOSEVELT ISLAND, IS CATERING TO WOMEN WHO WERE PROSTITUTES. MANY OF THEM...
|
| 00:14:48 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YOUNG LIKE THAT, THEY ARE VERY IMPRESSIONABLE SO THEY SAW THAT THESE WOMEN HAD NICE THINGS, AND NATURALLY THEY WANTED THEM IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THEM AT...
|
| 00:15:00 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. SO ARE WE GIVING THESE WOMEN SOME AGENCY? >> I WOULD
|
| 00:15:05 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SAY SO. >>
|
| 00:15:06 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HOLDEN? >> I GUESS IN SOME WAY
|
| 00:15:10 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SS IT WAS -- IN SOME WAYS A BETTER -- A BETTER WAY OF LIVING THAN ANY OTHER OPTIONS THAT THEY HAD REALLY. I MEAN, PROSTITUTION REALLY WAS ONE OF THE...
|
| 00:15:38 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
FORWARD BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIND WHAT I NEED, ALTHOUGH IT WAS NOT ON THAT PARTICULAR SLIDE, AND THAT IS WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WOMEN CAN...
|
| 00:17:09 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
COMBINATION OF ALL ECONOMIC CLASSES, IS IT LESS OF AN ECONOMIC NEED FOR A LOT OF THEM AND MORE OF A -- MORE OF A WAY TO ACCENTUATE THEIR OWN POWER...
|
| 00:17:35 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
UP, RIGHT, BECAUSE A LOT OF CURRENT LITERATURE BEING PRODUCED. ONE OF MY GIRLFRIENDS IS WATCHING ABOUT PROSTITUTION IN THE EARLY 20th CENTURY, AND SHE'S...
|
| 00:20:28 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
PERSONAL SPHERE AND NOT IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE. >>
|
| 00:20:30 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO ADD ON TO THAT, WHAT WAS A RESPECTABLE WOMAN? >> MODERN
|
| 00:20:38 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AND CHASTE. >>
|
| 00:20:41 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSOLUTELY. AND SO HOW DO YOU -- IN YOUR READINGS, HOW ARE RESPECTABLE WOMEN DEALING WITH PROSTITUTES, EVEN BEFORE THE WAR, THIS IDEA THAT WOMEN ARE...
|
| 00:21:10 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AT ALL. THEY DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT THEY ARE DOING OR HOW THEY ARE GOING ABOUT IT, THAT THEY ARE EARNING THEIR OWN WAGES. >> YOU WANT
|
| 00:21:16 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO ADD ON? >> I WOULD SAY THEY ARE
|
| 00:21:19 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ACTUALLY DESTROYING THE CALL OF DOMESTICITY, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I FEEL THAT THE LIFESTYLE THAT THESE OTHER WOMEN COME TO IS BEING -- IS FALLING...
|
| 00:21:31 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO BY -- BY THE 1850s, WE'RE ALMOST A DECADE OUT FROM THE CIVIL WAR, THE NUMBER OF PROSTITUTES IN NEW YORK CITY GROWS,...
|
| 00:23:42 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WERE ALLOWED TO COME IN FOR FREE BECAUSE THEY ATTRACTED THE MEN. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO STAY IN THE THIRD TIER BUT THAT DIDN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN BUT...
|
| 00:23:59 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IN READING SOME OF THE THEATERS, THE PARK THEATER, FOR INSTANCE, CLOSED THEIR THIRD TIER SO NOTHING HIKE THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN. >> AND SOME OF THESE
|
| 00:24:08 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ALLOWED THE WOMEN TO COME OUT OF THE THIRD TIER AND INTO THEIR OWN SPACE IN ORDER TO SOLICIT MEN, RIGHT? OKAY. SO YOU ALSO HAD THESE PRIVATE SPACES...
|
| 00:25:34 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SOME OF THEM LIVING AT HOME WITH FAMILY MEMBERS, RIGHT? SO THESE WOMEN ALSO NEEDED SOME PLACE TO TAKE THEIR LOVERS, RIGHT, AND SO THEY, TOO, WENT TO ...
|
| 00:31:09 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. AND SO WALT WHITMAN IS WRITING ABOUT PROSTITUTION AND EVEN CRAFTING POEMS ABOUT PROSTITUTION DURING THIS TIME PERIOD, AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH...
|
| 00:32:21 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MANY UPPER CLASSMEN KEPT MISTRESSES AT THE TIME, AND THAT WAS KIND OF -- SORT OF FROWNED UPON. IT WASN'T REALLY A HUGE SOCIAL TABOO, BUT I THINK THAT...
|
| 00:32:39 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OF THE KEPT WOMAN WHICH WE'LL COME BACK TO. >> I THINK IN A WAY
|
| 00:32:46 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IT'S SOME WAY OF WOMEN PRESERVING THEIR PURITY. CAN YOU USE THE PROSTITUTES, JUST LIKE THE SLAVES COULD USE TO KEEP THE PURITY OF THE WOMEN INTACT....
|
| 00:32:56 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
LOVE WHEN YOU REFERENCE FORMER CONVERSATIONS, THAT'S GREAT, GREAT, SO WE HAD A FORMER CONVERSATION WHERE WE SEE SOUTHERN PLANTERS AND OWNERS OF ENSLAVED...
|
| 00:33:18 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AGAIN. >> PRESERVE THE PURITY
|
| 00:33:21 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OF THE WOMAN. >> RIGHT ON,
|
| 00:33:23 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. AND WE MOVE ON. OKAY. SO ARE SOME OF THE NARRATIVES THAT ARE COMING OUT WHO ARE ENGAGING IN PROSTITUTION. WELL, PEOPLE LIKE SANGER ARE SAYING...
|
| 00:36:01 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IN EVERY SENSE. WORD. ECONOMICALLY, SOCIALLY AND EVEN FROM THE FAMILY. THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN IDEA. >>
|
| 00:36:15 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HOW IS THAT PROBLEM MAT SNICK. >> IT DESTROYS THE
|
| 00:36:19 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NUCLEAR FAMILY. >> WHO
|
| 00:36:20 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SOLE PROVIDER? >> THE HUSBAND,
|
| 00:36:23 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BUT THERE'S NO HUSBAND. THERE'S CUSTOMERS INSTEAD. >> HUSBANDS,
|
| 00:36:29 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
FATHERS, SOMETIMES EVEN BROTHERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE PROVIDER OF THE FAMILY AND WITH PROSTITUTION WOMEN ARE EARNING SOMETIMES MORE THAN MEN AND THEREFORE...
|
| 00:36:59 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NARRATIVES, THAT THESE WERE -- WOMEN WHO HAD SEXUAL LONGINGS AND WANTED TO IMPOSED LIQUOR. THAT WAS ONE OF THE FAIRVES IF WE CAN BROADEN THE IDEA OF...
|
| 00:37:25 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IT COULD VERY WELL BE SAID -- AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE WERE SOUTHERN PLANTATION OWNERS WHO WANTED SEX YULUAL FAITHS AND PRACTICED IT ON THEIR...
|
| 00:37:41 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
GOING TO SIT HERE AND TAKE THIS. OKAY. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER. OKAY. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BROTHELS AND WOMEN WHO ARE ENGAGING IN PROSTITUTION,...
|
| 00:39:48 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
A REPUTATION FOR CELEBRATING AND JUST GOOD TIMES SO IT'S JUST NATURAL. >> SO IN NEW ORLEANS YOU
|
| 00:39:55 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HAD SITUATIONS WHERE SOME WOULD ARGUE -- BECAUSE SOME OF THESE WOMEN VERY EARLY ON ARE BEING RELEASED FROM JAIL AND SENT TO NEW ORLEANS BY WHO? DID...
|
| 00:41:14 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SUGGEST THAT IF I SEND AWAY ALL OF THE LOOSE FEMALES THERE, WILL BE NOBODY LEFT HERE AT ALL. >> WHAT DID YOU
|
| 00:41:24 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
GLEAN FROM THAT STATEMENT? >> HOW ABOUT GOOD OLE
|
| 00:41:31 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NOVELS. >> ALL THE
|
| 00:41:32 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WOMEN OF NEW ORLEANS ARE MADE UP OF PROSTITUTES. >> I WOULDN'T SAY THAT,
|
| 00:41:36 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BUT, AGAIN, IT'S A CONCERN. >> I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
|
| 00:41:39 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YOU'RE SAYING BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS AN ISSUE, IT CERTAINLY BECAME AN ISSUE. THERE WAS A NUN AND I HAVE A QUOTE, THERE WAS A NUN WHO STOUT THAT HAD AS...
|
| 00:43:54 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AS IT'S OUT OF SIGHT AND SOUND, IT THIS AN ISSUE TO PUSH THE WOMEN BACK INTO THE SHADOWS, OPPOSED TO DEALING WITH RIDDING, AS THE PRIEST WOULD SAY, RIDDING...
|
| 00:44:30 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
DATE. SAY IT LOWER. >> THE FIRING OF
|
| 00:44:36 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CONFEDERATE FLAGS ON FT.. IF YOUER. >> BEGINNING OF THE CIVIL
|
| 00:44:41 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WAR. NOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE WAR, HOW MUCH OF YOU HAVE BEEN READING MORE ABOUT THE READINGS ASSIGNED TO YOU ABOUT TAKING THE SEXUAL ACTIVITIES...
|
| 00:44:57 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BIT. >> OKAY,
|
| 00:45:00 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. ALL THESE SCHOLARS DIFFICULT THE FACT THAT IT WAS REALLY TRIF TO FIND EVIDENCE ABOUT WHAT SORT OF SEXUAL ACTIVITIES SOLDIERS ARE ENGAGED IN. WHY...
|
| 00:45:18 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
GOING TO WRITE HOME AND TELL THEM YOU WERE SLEEPING WITH PROSTITUTE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU'RE IN THE GOING TO TELL THEM -- YOU AREN'T, BUT...
|
| 00:45:36 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SOCIETY ELSE BEING SANITIZED BEFORE THEY SET OFF. >> THERE
|
| 00:45:38 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WERE SOLDIERS THAT WOULD WRITE ABOUT THAT AND THEIR FAMILIES, MAYBE A BROTHER OR SOMETHING, LOOKING AT THIS LETTER AND REALIZING WHAT'S IN IT AND CENSOR...
|
| 00:45:52 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IT? >>
|
| 00:45:53 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YES. >> WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE
|
| 00:45:54 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WRITE ABOUT IT OR NOT, AND THE SURGICALED A MEDICAL WORLD AND THEY HAVE A BIG SECTION OUTLINED FOR VENEREAL DISEASES. >> SCHOLARS SLOW
|
| 00:46:08 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, CREATIVE WAY OF GETTING AT THE ISSUE WITH YOU WHEN LURING AT PRIVATE DIARIES, THEN IT MAKES IT HARD FOR US TO AGAIN BECAUSE EACH THOSE...
|
| 00:46:25 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
DIFFICULT UNLESS THEY JUST TAKE THEM INTO ACCOUNT ACCOUNT. >> NOW WE DO RIGHT ABOUT IT,
|
| 00:46:32 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AND I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER WAY YOU CAN FIND OUT ABOUT THIS BUT. >>
|
| 00:46:43 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSOLUTELY. WHAT ABOUT VETERANS AFTER THE WAR? WHAT ABOUT AFTER THE WAR? >> AFTER THE
|
| 00:46:51 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WAR THE ATTENTION TURNED MORE TOWARDS RECONCILIATION AND MAKING AMENDS AND CONNECTING WITH THE FORMER ENEMIES THAN TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT IN VICTORIAN...
|
| 00:47:04 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THESE MEN AFTER THE WAR WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SORTS OF ACTIVITIES, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY INITIALLY YOU HAD PEOPLE HAVING A VERY GOOD DIFFICULT TRYING...
|
| 00:48:01 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ARE YOUNG SOLDIERS. YOU COULD ONLY BE SO OLD TO BE IN THE ARMY. >> SO YOU HAVE YOUNG
|
| 00:48:07 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SOLDIERS. SOME OF THEM, AWAY FROM HOME FOR THE FIRST TIME, RIGHT, SOME OF THEM FEARFUL THAT THEY MAY NOT RETURN HOME ALIVE. YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING?...
|
| 00:48:20 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO RELAX FROM A STRESSFUL DAY, I IMAGINE. >>
|
| 00:48:25 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. BUT PRIMARILY, WE SEE YOUNG SOLDIERS AND SOME WOULD EVEN ARGUE MORE UNION SOLDIERS THAN CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS BECAUSE THE ARGUMENT...
|
| 00:48:53 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THAT IT WAS MORE OFTEN UNION SOLDIERS THAN CONFEDERATE THAT MOST OF THE WAR WAS FOUGHT IN THE SOUTH. SO THEY WERE TRYING TO PROTECT THAT GENTLEMAN CODE...
|
| 00:49:21 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TROOPS. >> ABSOLUTELY. SO ENGAGING IN THESE ACTIVITIES IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD. NOW, WE LATER FIND OUT THAT SOME OF THEM ARE, BUT THERE WAS JUST ONE ARGUMENT...
|
| 00:53:38 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ARTICLE, AT ONE POINT, THEY TRIED TO FINE THOSE BROTHELS BUT THEY WERE MAKING SO MUCH MONEY, THEY BASICALLY PAID OFF THE FINE AND CONTINUED. >>
|
| 00:53:50 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSOLUTELY. SOME OF THESE WOMEN ARE BEING ARRESTED BUT THE MADAMS ARE PAYING THOSE FINES AND SOMETIMES THEY JUST PICK UP AND GO ELSEWHERE. THEY PICK...
|
| 00:55:00 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HAD BEEN DESTROYED. THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY MONEY -- >> ECONOMICALLY,
|
| 00:55:06 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MANY OF THESE RESPECTABLE WOMEN ARE SUFFERING. RIGHT? BUT YET THEY SEE PROSTITUTES WHO ARE ABLE TO STILL GET PEOPLE TO SMUGGLING LUXURIOUS GOODS FROM...
|
| 00:55:40 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SAY THERE WAS PROBABLY SOME ENVY ABOUT WOMEN WHO WEREN'T EARNING IT IN A RESPECTABLE WAY BUT THEY HAD IT, YOU KNOW, RESPECTABLE WOMEN WERE TOILING...
|
| 00:55:56 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SLIGHTED. >> OKAY. THERE MAY BE SOMETHING TO THAT. MAYBE? NO? YES? >> ALSO, IT MIGHT
|
| 00:56:07 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HAVE STEMMED FROM THE FACT THESE PROSTITUTES WERE PROBABLY MAKING THE OFFICIAL MONEY OF THE UNITED STATES, MONEY THAT THEY COULD SPEND ELSEWHERE, WHEREAS...
|
| 00:56:30 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THERE'S SOMETHING TO THIS, TOO. >>
|
| 00:56:31 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
I DO. >> OKAY. GREAT. HOW MANY OF YOU REMEMBER READING ABOUT THIS? GIVE ME SOME NARRATIVE HERE. WHAT IS THIS ABOUT, THIS WHOLE IDAHO THING WITH STEAMER?...
|
| 00:56:52 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WERE BROUGHT ON TO THE SHIP TO BE TAKEN OUT OF NASHVILLE AND AS THE SHIP CONTINUES UP THE RIVER, THEY'RE CONSISTENTLY TOLD NO, YOU CAN'T STOP HERE, NO,...
|
| 00:57:07 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NASHVILLE. >> OKAY. THAT IS NARRATIVE, ERIN. I APPRECIATE IT. SO IN 1860, YOU HAVE ONLY ABOUT 198 WHITE AND NINE MULATO PROSTITUTES LIVING IN NASHVILLE...
|
| 00:58:26 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
KENTUCKY. >> LOUISVILLE,
|
| 00:58:27 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
KENTUCKY. AND ERIN, WHAT HAPPENS IN LOUISVILLE,
|
| 00:58:31 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
KENTUCKY? >> [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>
|
| 00:58:32 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THEY ARE TOLD THAT THEY CANNOT DOCK IN LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY. SO THEN THEY SAY OKAY, TAKE THEM TO CINCINNATI. WHAT HAPPENS IN CINCINNATI, BRAXTON? >>...
|
| 00:58:43 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NOT WANTED THERE, EITHER. >> THEY ARE
|
| 00:58:46 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TOLD THAT THESE WOMEN CANNOT DOCK. SO THESE WOMEN ARE ACTUALLY OUT TO SEA FOR SOME TIME AND WHAT DO THEY DO WHILE THEY'RE OUT AT SEA? WHAT DO THESE...
|
| 00:59:00 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CONTINUING THEIR TRADE AS BEST AS THEY CAN. >> SOME OF THEM
|
| 00:59:03 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ARE GETTING OFF OF THAT BOAT. THE CONDITIONS HAVE NOT BEEN SET UP FOR THESE WOMEN TO STAY ON THAT BOAT FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME. THEY ARE ALMOST UP...
|
| 00:59:30 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BACK AND WENT BACK TO NASHVILLE. >> THEY
|
| 00:59:32 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
GO RIGHT BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM. RIGHT? THE CAPTAIN OF THAT BOAT IS NOT VERY HAPPY. WHY IS HE NOT VERY HAPPY? BECAUSE AS I SAID, THESE WOMEN HAVE...
|
| 01:00:22 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OF RICHMOND LACKS ANY INCENTIVE TO BREAKING UP THE RESORTS OF ILL FAME IN THE CITY, LET HIM VISIT THE MILITARY HOSPITALS, WHERE SICK AND DISABLED SOLDIERS...
|
| 01:00:40 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YOU GET FROM WHAT IS BEING SAID BY THE RICHMOND EXAMINER IN 1862? INTERPRETATION? ANYBODY? GOING ONCE. YES? >> IF HE WANTS
|
| 01:00:51 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO SHUT THEM DOWN, THEN MAYBE HE SHOULD GO THERE AND SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF
|
| 01:00:56 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TIME. >> SO WANTS TO SHUT THEM DOWN. ANYBODY ELSE? BRAXTON? >> I WAS GOING TO
|
| 01:01:04 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SAY PERHAPS THE RICHMOND EXAMINER'S HINTING THAT THESE WOMEN ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING THESE MEN SICK. >>
|
| 01:01:13 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSOLUTELY. SO THE IDEA IS THAT THE MAYOR OF RICHMOND NEEDS TO CRACK DOWN ON PROSTITUTION IN THE CITY BECAUSE WHAT IT LEADS TO IS SICK AND DISEASED...
|
| 01:01:34 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IN ATLANTA CITIZENS COMPLAINED ABOUT THE INFLUX OF LEWD WOMEN AND SUGGESTED THAT MEN SWEEP OUT THE TOWN. >> SO YOU HAVE ATLANTA
|
| 01:01:42 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ALSO HAVING MAJOR ISSUES WITH THE INFLUX OF PROSTITUTION TO THAT -- PROSTITUTES TO THAT CITY, AND MEN ARE BEING URGED TO SWEEP THESE WOMEN OUT. HERE'S...
|
| 01:02:03 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ADMINISTRATOR [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>
|
| 01:02:12 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WOW. WOW. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? BOLD? BOLD, MICHAEL? >> IT'S BOLD BUT
|
| 01:02:21 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IT'S PROBABLY NOT A BAD BUSINESS STRATEGY, WHOEVER OWNS THE BROTHEL. RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM A BUILDING FULL OF SOLDIERS. >> ARE
|
| 01:02:30 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YOU A BUSINESS MAJOR, MICHAEL? >> NO, I AM
|
| 01:02:33 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NOT. >>
|
| 01:02:34 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. >> WHO HAVE BEEN CONFINED
|
| 01:02:36 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO BEDS FOR WEEKS AT A TIME. >>
|
| 01:02:38 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. LET'S POINT OUT THE BOLDNESS OF WOMEN WHO ARE WILLING TO ESTABLISH A BROTHEL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE MEN ARE HEALING, RIGHT? YMCA,...
|
| 01:03:25 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IF HE WERE WOUNDED IN BATTLE AND WENT TO HOSPITAL ONLY TO GET GONORRHEA OR SOMETHING FROM THE PROSTITUTE HALL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE YOU...
|
| 01:03:36 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MADE TO CROSS THAT STREET AFTER THEY HAD BEEN WOUNDED IN BATTLE, ENTICED TO CROSS THE STREET AFTER THEY HAD BEEN WOUNDED IN BATTLE. POOR THINGS. ...
|
| 01:04:06 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MAYOR COMPLAINED THAT NEVER WAS A PLACE FOR CHANGE THAN RICHMOND. GO ON TO CAPITAL SQUARE THAT THEY MAY SEE THESE WOMEN FROM PROMENADING UP AND DOWN...
|
| 01:04:35 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NOT ONLY THAT THESE WOMEN EXIST, BUT WHAT? >> THEY'RE
|
| 01:04:38 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THREATENING TO TAKE THE PLACE OF RESPECTABLE WOMEN AND JOSTLING THEM INTO THE GUTTERS, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT THEY THINK OF THEM....
|
| 01:04:49 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ARE BEING PUSHED ASIDE BY PUBLIC WOMEN, RIGHT? AND THAT IS A PROBLEM. OKAY. SO ALSO IN WASHINGTON, D.C., PROSTITUTION IS BECOMING A MAJOR ISSUE. BY...
|
| 01:05:49 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OF VIRGINIA BEING AS IT IS, WOULDN'T THEY HAVE LIKE EXPELLED THEM BACK INTO D.C.? >>
|
| 01:05:54 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT. YEAH. UH-HUH. >>
|
| 01:05:57 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THEY DIDN'T SAY WELCOME BACK TO RICHMOND? >>
|
| 01:05:59 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NO, THEY DIDN'T. THEY SAID THE WAR'S OVER, GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM, RIGHT? SO 7,000 WOMEN IN D.C. AND AROUND D.C. THROUGHOUT THE CIVIL WAR. THESE...
|
| 01:06:22 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
USA. THAT WAS ONE. >>
|
| 01:06:24 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
UH-HUH. THEN YOU HAD EVEN SOME WHO WERE NAMED AFTER MADAMS, RIGHT? WOLF'S DEN. HAYSTACK, NAMED AFTER A MADAM BY THE LAST NAME OF HAY, RIGHT? NOW, THE...
|
| 01:07:12 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THEY WERE ABLE TO PAY OFF THE FINES EASILY DUE TO EXCELLENT BUSINESS, OR IF THEY HAD TO SPENT MONTHS IN A HOUSE OF CORRECTIONS, THEY JUST MOVED THEIR...
|
| 01:07:25 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CERTAINLY JUST PICKED UP AND MOVED THEIR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE. NOW, THE ARMY HAS TO RESPOND TO THIS PROBLEM. WHY? WHY DOES THE ARMY EVENTUALLY HAVE...
|
| 01:07:42 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
GET INVOLVED, THEIR MEN WILL CONTRACT VD AT A STAGGERING RATE AND THE ARMY WILL MELT AWAY, BASICALLY. >> SO YOU HAD MEN
|
| 01:07:51 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF SOME OF THOSE MEN WHO ARE CONTRACTING VENEREAL DISEASES AT AN ALARMING RATE. WHAT ARE THE MAIN TWO DISEASES...
|
| 01:08:04 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
GONORRHEA AND SYPHILIS. >>
|
| 01:08:07 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSOLUTELY. SO YOU HAVE SURGEONS IN THE FIELD WHO ARE FINDING A WAY TO TREAT THESE MEN AND MOST MEN ARE NOT DYING FROM THESE DISEASES, BUT THE TREATMENTS...
|
| 01:10:55 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
FORCES CAPTURED AND OCCUPIED NEW ORLEANS, THE SOUTHERN WOMEN, ESPECIALLY THE UPPER CLASS WOMEN BANDED TOGETHER AND DETERMINED TO RESIST THROUGH ACTIONS...
|
| 01:11:31 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
RIGHT? SO WE HAVE RESPECTABLE WOMEN WHO ARE VERY UPSET ABOUT OCCUPATION, THE OCCUPATION OF NEW ORLEANS, AND AS A RESULT, THEY HURL INSULTS AT UNION...
|
| 01:12:00 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WOMAN DUMPS THEIR CHAMBER POT ON ADMIRAL FARRAGUT'S HEAD. >>
|
| 01:12:04 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSOLUTELY. AND EVEN IF WE RETURN TO PROSTITUTES FOR A MINUTE, WHAT DO THEY SAY ABOUT WHAT THESE PROSTITUTES ARE DOING IN ORDER TO SHOW THEIR DISDAIN...
|
| 01:12:17 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TALKING ABOUT [ INAUDIBLE ]? >> SOMEHOW, GENERAL BUTLER
|
| 01:12:21 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ENDS UP AT THE BOTTOM, HIS PHOTO ENDS UP AT THE BOTTOM OF THEIR CHAMBER POTS, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE PROSTITUTES ALSO SHOWING THEIR DISGUST OF BEAST...
|
| 01:13:27 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
RETALIATION BY UNION TROOPS FOR THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR? I KNOW IF SOMEONE DUMPED A CHAMBER POT ON ME, I WOULD PROBABLY BURN THEIR HOUSE DOWN. >> I HAVE...
|
| 01:13:34 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
COME ACROSS INFORMATION CONCERNING THAT. I'M SURE IT'S OUT THERE. BUT IF THEY, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE STILL WOMEN AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT IN...
|
| 01:14:28 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BASICALLY RUNNING OUT OF FOOD. THEY CAN'T EVEN FEED THEIR ARMY. SO THEY'RE TAKING MORE AND MORE FOOD FROM THE PUBLIC STOCK TO FEED THE ARMY AND...
|
| 01:14:50 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. SORRY. SO YOU HAVE WOMEN IN VIRGINIA WHO ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT RUNNING OUT OF FOOD. THEY GO TO PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND ASK FOR THEM TO RELEASE...
|
| 01:15:52 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE BIGGEST EFFECT FROM THIS WAS NOT WHAT HAPPENED, BUT WHAT HAPPENED AFTERWARDS. >> GIVE ME
|
| 01:15:57 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SOME SPECIFICS. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE I'M GOING THE TIE THIS ALL TOGETHER. BUT GO AHEAD. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >> BECAUSE AFTER
|
| 01:16:06 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THIS, THE GOVERNMENT WAS SO EMBARRASSED BY THIS THAT FOR ONE THING THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW IT TO BE REPORTED. >>
|
| 01:16:14 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSOLUTELY. >> AND TWO, IF IT WAS
|
| 01:16:16 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
REPORTED, THEY REPORTED THAT THESE AGITATORS WERE PUBLIC WOMEN. >> WILLIAM,
|
| 01:16:23 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HOLD ON TO THAT. I'M GOING TO THREAD ALL THIS TOGETHER. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. WHAT ABOUT IN ROSWELL, GEORGIA. YOU READ THAT EXAMPLE. WE HAVEN'T TALKED...
|
| 01:16:51 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
FACTORY AND THE WOMEN HEARD THE UNION ARMIES COMING SO THEY FLY THE FRENCH FLAG. THE UNION ARMY FINDS SACKS AND FABRIC THAT HAVE THE CONFEDERACY SYMBOL...
|
| 01:17:11 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THESE WOMEN AND THESE WOMEN -- TO MARIETTA AND THESE WOMEN BECOME UNDER THE CHARGE OF WHO? THE WOMAN WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. REMEMBER HER? >> DR. MARY
|
| 01:17:24 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WALKER. >> WHO IS DR.
|
| 01:17:25 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MARY WALKER? >> SHE IS THE FIRST WOMAN
|
| 01:17:28 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
I BELIEVE TO RECEIVE HER DOCTORATE OR -- >>
|
| 01:17:32 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MEDICAL? >> YEAH, MEDICAL DEGREE
|
| 01:17:34 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AND BECAME A PRACTICING DOCTOR. >>
|
| 01:17:36 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WHAT WAS SHE TRYING TO DO DURING THE WAR? >> SHE WAS TRYING TO
|
| 01:17:40 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WORK AS A SURGEON, AND THE FACT THAT SHE WAS A WOMAN BARRED HER FROM DOING SO. >> HOW DID THIS WOMAN
|
| 01:17:46 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
DRESS? HOW WAS DR. MARY WALKER DRESSING? >> LIKE A
|
| 01:17:57 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MAN. IN PANTS OR BRITCHES OR WHATEVER. FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES. >>
|
| 01:18:02 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
EXACTLY. FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES SHE WAS WEARING -- >> I DIDN'T
|
| 01:18:06 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY MALE CLOTHING. IT WAS LIKE FEMALE UNDERWEAR, BASICALLY. UNDERGARMENTS. IN OTHER WORDS, SHE WASN'T WEARING THE HOOP SKIRT. >>
|
| 01:18:19 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ERIN? >> THEY WERE CALLED
|
| 01:18:21 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BLOOMERS. THEY WERE A SET OF PANTS WITH A HALF SKIRT OVER THEM. >>
|
| 01:18:23 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WHO ELSE WAS WEARING BLOOMERS? I'M TAKING YOU BACK TO SOME OF OUR OLD LECTURES WHEN SHE WAS AIDING THE UNION FORCES AS A SPY AND SCOUT. WE TALKED...
|
| 01:20:48 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CONTROL. HAVING WORD GET TO YOU CONFEDERATE TROOPS WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME HOME INSTEAD OF STAYING TO FIGHT THE WAR. IT WOULD ALSO TAKE AWAY...
|
| 01:21:17 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CONTROL. OKAY. SO LAUREN SAYS CONTROL. BRAXTON? WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> UNDERMINES
|
| 01:21:21 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CREDIBILITY, ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF THE NEW ORLEANS WOMEN. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE I GUESS MOSTLY UPPER AND MIDDLE CLASS WOMEN. THEY'RE RESPECTED WOMEN,...
|
| 01:21:43 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
UNDERMINING THEIR -- CONTROL AND UNDERMINING THEIR SOCIAL STANDING AND CREDIBILITY. WILLIAM, WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> FOR ONE THING, THESE
|
| 01:21:50 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THREE EXAMPLES, IT'S ALL CONFEDERATE WOMEN, FIRST OF ALL. SECOND OF ALL, BECAUSE OF THAT, BUTLER AND EVEN THE CONFEDERATE GOVERNMENT AND SHERMAN, THEY...
|
| 01:22:18 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABOUT THIS BEFORE, WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA THAT THE CIVIL WAR HAD SHAKEN UP A BIT THESE GENDER ROLES AND NOW YOU HAVE WOMEN WHO MAYBE THINGS THAT THEY EXPRESSED...
|
| 01:23:22 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NO. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, THE WAY IT WAS THOUGHT WAS IF THESE WERE WOMEN THAT ACTED PUBLICLY, THEN THEY MOST DEFINITELY HAVE TO BE PUBLIC WOMEN. PROSTITUTES....
|
| 01:23:36 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OF PROSTITUTES WERE NOT -- EVEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WORKING WOMEN WHO ENGAGED IN PROSTITUTION PART-TIME, WE DIDN'T REALLY CONSIDER THEM, THEY DIDN'T...
|
| 01:24:08 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WOMAN SO IN A SENSE THEY'RE NOBODY'S WOMAN. >> THEY'RE
|
| 01:24:12 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
PUBLIC WOMEN, PROSTITUTES WHO ARE ENGAGING AND SOMETIMES THE LANGUAGE PROSTITUTE IS BEING USED TO WE WILL BRAND YOU AS PROSTITUTES, IS BEING USED I WOULD...
|
| 01:25:41 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
POSTCARDS THAT HAD PICTURES OF WOMEN WITH NOT QUITE ALL OF THEIR CLOTHING ON. >>
|
| 01:25:48 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
EXACTLY. SO HALF DRESSED WOMEN, SOMETIMES MAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH THE POST OFFICE AND REACH SOLDIERS, AND SO THIS IS THE WAY THEY SOUGHT TO DEAL WITH...
|
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.