| 00:00:30 |
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HELLO AND WELCOME. TONIGHT, THE THREE MEN WHO WILL JOIN US IN THE FINAL LEADERS DEBATE. IN THE NEXT HOUR AND HALF, THEY WILL TELL YOU, THE PEOPLE OF...
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| 00:01:02 |
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TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT OUR NATION AND HOW WE COME TOGETHER, CAN BUILD A BETTER FUTURE FOR ISLAND. IN THE LAST FOUR WEEKS, I MET AND LISTEN TO MANY PEOPLE...
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| 00:02:39 |
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WILL VOTE IN THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY. I'VE UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION. I FEEL YOUR ANGER. I KNOW YOUR FEARS, FOR YOUR JOB,...
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| 00:04:18 |
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GOOD EVENING. THE CHOICE THAT YOU MAKE ON FRIDAY WILL DECIDE THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS OR MORE. I ASK YOU TO CHOOSE LABOR BECAUSE...
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| 00:06:15 |
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YOU ALL AGREE THAT THIS COUNTRY IS FACING CHALLENGES THAT IT HAS NEVER FACED BEFORE. THE PLAN YOU ARE PUTTING BEFORE THE PEOPLE, ARE YOU BEING STRICT...
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| 00:06:32 |
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I AM. WE STILL DO NOT KNOW THE FULL SCALE OF WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY FACING BECAUSE THE STRESS TEST REPORT WILL NOT BE PUBLISHED UNTIL THE END OF MARCH....
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| 00:07:35 |
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OK. THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. IT IS AN ELECTION LIKE NO OTHER. YOU ARE OFFERING A DIFFERENT POLICY. AGAIN, ARE YOU BEING HONEST WITH THE PEOPLE? IS WHAT...
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| 00:07:51 |
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WAY FOR THIS TO BE DONE. WE HAVE TO BE STRICT WITH PEOPLE. WHAT TO THE INCOMING GOVERNMENT OF THIS COUNTRY WILL HAVE TO FACE IS THE BIGGEST MESS THAT...
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| 00:08:57 |
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DONE A LOT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING. CAN YOU TELL THE AVERAGE PEOPLE TONIGHT WHAT PAIN LIES AHEAD? IS YOUR PLAN REALISTIC? >> OUR PLAN IS
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| 00:09:08 |
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BOTH HONEST, CREDIBLE, AND REALISTIC. WE'RE THE ONLY POLICY THAT HAS LAID OUT A DETAILED BUDGET PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR. DEPARTMENT-BY DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE...
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| 00:10:11 |
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WILL MOVE ON TO THE ISSUES. THE FIRST ISSUE WE WILL ADDRESS IS THE ECONOMY. THERE ARE MANY HEADINGS. WE WILL ALTERNATE EACH SECTION WAS SOMEBODY DIFFERENT....
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| 00:10:38 |
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WILL HAVE TO BE NEGOTIATED. IT WILL NOT WORK. THAT SEE YOU-IMF FIELD DOES TWO THINGS. THE IRA'S TAX PAYER IS RELIABLE FOR THE DEBT OF THE -- -- FOR ...
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| 00:11:43 |
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TO DEBATE AMONGST YOURSELVES IN A MOMENT. IF YOU ARE REALLY GOOD SEATING THIS BILL, YOU'RE THE ONES WHO NEGOTIATED IT -- WHAT IS YOUR STRATEGY? >> ANYONE...
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| 00:11:58 |
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RENEGOTIATING THIS DEAL IS NOT BEING HONEST WITH THE IRISH PEOPLE. I DO NOT THINK IT IS FRANKFORT'S WAY OR LEVERS WAY. -- OR LABOR'S WAY. THE PACKAGE...
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| 00:12:52 |
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YOU DO TO RENEGOTIATE -- >> IT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY
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| 00:12:55 |
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FROM THE ENORMOUS CHALLENGE WE HAVE IN PUBLIC FINANCES. INTELLIGENCE AND DIPLOMACY, WORKING WITH OTHER HEADS OF STATES AND OTHER GOVERNMENTS IN TERMS...
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| 00:13:32 |
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THAT TO KENNY. IF YOU'RE HEADING OUT THERE, WHICHWHAT IS YOUR PLAN? >> WHEN HE SPEAKS
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| 00:13:46 |
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OF INTELLIGENCE AND DIPLOMACY, HE WAS A CENTRAL MEMBER OF A GOVERNMENT THAT COULD NOT TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THE IMF BEING HERE IN IRELAND. HE COULD NOT...
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| 00:15:12 |
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THERE NEGOTIATING, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? IF YOU GO FOR 1%, IT WILL SAVE YOU ABOUT 450 MILLION EUROS APPEARED. >> WE DO NOT
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| 00:15:25 |
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ACTUALLY KNOW THE SCALE OF THE TRUTH. THE STRESS TESTS OF SOLVENCY AND LIQUIDITY WILL BE FINISHED IN IRELAND BY THE END OF MARCH. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN...
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| 00:16:05 |
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AREAS. I'VE UNDERSTAND THE WISHES TO RENEGOTIATE THE INTEREST RATES, AS DOES THE LABOR PARTY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON A MULTILATERAL...
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| 00:16:51 |
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YOU GO INTO COALITION TOGETHER, IS THAT NEGOTIABLE FOR YOU? >>
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| 00:17:00 |
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THE ELECTION IS NOT UNTIL FRIDAY. IF YOU EXTEND IT BEYOND LIKE THE LABOR PARTY, IT WILL REQUIRE FURTHER. IT MEANS HIGHER INTEREST RATES. THE IRISH PEOPLE...
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| 00:17:59 |
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YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DEAL YOU'RE TRYING TO GET WILL INVOLVE SOME BURDEN SHARING? IS THAT PART OF YOUR PLAN? >> THERE IS A BIT OF DISHONESTY....
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| 00:18:18 |
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THEY ARE NOT ANTI PLEDGES. IT IS PANDERING TO THE ELECTORATE. -- THEY ARE NOT EMPTY PLACES. IT IS PANDERING TO THE ELECTORATE. AT THE MOMENT, MERKEL AND...
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| 00:19:30 |
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MINISTER IS A MEMBER OF THE GOVERNMENT THAT COULD NOT TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THE IMF BEING HERE OR NOT. THAT IS FUNDAMENTAL TO THIS DEBATE AND THIS GOVERNMENT....
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| 00:20:22 |
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GUARANTEE. WE WANTED TO WORKING BANKING SYSTEM. >> WHAT
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| 00:20:26 |
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DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH BONDHOLDERS. WHEN YOU GO TO EUROPE, DO YOU WANT TO BURDEN A SHARE? IF THEY DO NOT BURDEN CHAIR AND SAY NO TO, WHAT WILL YOU DO?...
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| 00:20:40 |
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SEE HOW THE SCALE OF THE INDEBTEDNESS IS. IF IT IS MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE, THEN WE WOULD NOT BE PUTTING MONEY INTO BANKS UNLESS THERE...
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| 00:21:04 |
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OF BANKING POLICIES, WE KNOW THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE. THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE BECAUSE HE HAS SIGNED UP FOR THE FUNDAMENTALISM OF BANKING POLICY. HE...
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| 00:21:25 |
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THERE ARE TWO FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS. FIRST OF ALL, THEY BROUGHT IN THE BAILOUT OF THE IRISH BANK AND THE LABOR PARTY OPPOSED THAT STRONGLY AT THE TIME....
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| 00:21:47 |
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YES. THAT IS WHY WE CANNOT BAR ON THE INTERNATIONAL MARKET. THAT IS WHY, ULTIMATELY, THE EU AND THE IMF ENDED UP IN THE PICTURE. YOU DID A DEAL WITHIN...
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| 00:22:37 |
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NOT FAIR AND IT IS NOT RIGHT AND IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE THAT THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER HAS TO BEAR THE FULL COST AND FULL BURDEN OF THE BAD INVESTMENT DECISIONS...
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| 00:22:53 |
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EUROPEAN COLLEAGUES ARE ALREADY SAYING THAT THERE HAS TO BE PART IN SHARING WITH BONDHOLDERS. I HEARD CHANCELLOR MERKEL SAY THAT -- THERE HAS TO BE...
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| 00:23:15 |
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IS THIS AND I HAVE MADE THIS THE POINT BEFORE. INDEPENDENT ANALYSTS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE DID HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO ENSURE -- >> ON THE BOND HOLDERS...
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| 00:23:31 |
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STICK TO THE BONDHOLDERS AND I WANT TO MAKE MY POINTS. THE PROFESSOR IS GRAPHIC ON WHAT HAPPENED IF YOU DID NOT MAKE THE BANK GUARANTEE. THE BANK WOULD...
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| 00:24:09 |
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INDEPENDENT ANALYSTS. THIS IS THE KIND OF DISHONEST WRECK -- -- DISHONEST RATTRAPRHETORIC -- >> WE KNOW THE BONDHOLDERS
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| 00:24:23 |
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HAVE SAID 2013. >> WHAT HE HAS SAID IS THAT
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| 00:24:32 |
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THE GUARANTEE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LIMITED TO DEPOSITS. >> DO NOT CHANGE WHAT HE SAID. >>
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| 00:24:39 |
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THANK YOU. PEOPLE WERE FLABBERGASTED IN EUROPE AT THE EXTENT OF THE GUARANTEE GIVEN BY THIS COUNTRY. WE MAY NEVER FIND OUT THE REAL REASONS FOR WHY...
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| 00:25:08 |
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AM GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION. I NEED TO MOVE IT ON. ON THE QUESTION OF BONDHOLDERS, LET ME ASK YOU. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THE FIGURES...
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| 00:25:54 |
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HOME BUT THERE IS 15 BILLION REQUIRED. WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE THE REALITY OF THAT IS AT THE END OF MARCH. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT, THIS IS TRUE. OUR COUNTRY...
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| 00:26:18 |
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THAT WE WILL, AS A COUNTRY, BE ABLE TO BEAR THE DEBT. FROM A WORKING POINT OF VIEW, IT HAS TO BE RENEGOTIATED. THE LABOR PARTY OPPOSED THE DEAL. >>...
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| 00:27:10 |
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HE DID. YOUR GOVERNMENT MAY POLICY DECISION OF THAT ANGER WAS SYSTEMIC. -- THAT ANGLO WAS SYSTEMIC. >> IT
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| 00:27:30 |
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HAD 100 BRANCHES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. IT DID NOT HAVE AN ATM. IT WAS A PIGGY BANK. CROSSTALK >> WE ARE MOVING ON ACTUALLY. >>
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| 00:27:46 |
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DO WE KNOW WHO THE BONDHOLDERS ARE? >> WE ARE MOVING ON NOW. >> NOBODY HEARD THIS
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| 00:27:55 |
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EXCHANGE IN THIS DEBATE BECAUSE OF THE INTERRUPTIONS FROM MY LEFT AND RIGHT. I THINK YOUR POINT IS VERY VALID. THE IRISH PEOPLE ARE NOW FACED WITH A...
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| 00:28:23 |
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WILL MOVE ON TO BANKING. AT THE MOMENT, THE NIGHTMARE THAT IS OUR BANKING SYSTEM AND 145 BILLION, HOW WILL WE PAY BACK THAT 145 BILLION EUROS DEBT?...
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| 00:28:44 |
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HAVE IN TERMS OF THE BANKING SYSTEM IS TO GET THE BANKS INTO SECURE FOOTING. IT IS FOR THE SMALL-BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A...
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| 00:29:43 |
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PAYOFF THAT THAT? HOW WOULD YOU EVEN IMAGINE PAYING THAT OFF? >>
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| 00:29:48 |
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IT IS AN ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL AMOUNT OF DEBT. WITH THE BANKING SITUATION, I WOULD CLOSE DOWN BANK OF VIRUS AND -- BANK OF IRISH BY THE END OF THE YEAR....
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| 00:30:58 |
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BE AN EXTRA 50 BILLION TO PAY. CAN WE AFFORD IT TO? >> IT IS
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| 00:31:04 |
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A STAGGERING FIGURE. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BANKS ALWAYS OWE MONEY TO OTHER BANKS, INCLUDING TO THE EUROPEAN CENTRAL BANK. WHAT WE HAVE TO DO...
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| 00:31:58 |
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DEAL WITH HOUSEHOLDERS BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY STRETCHED OUT IN PAYING THEIR MORTGAGES. ONE OF THE FEW UNDERSTANDINGS WE HAVE TO HAVE...
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| 00:32:39 |
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PROGRAM FOR AN INVESTMENT BANK. I DIFFER FROM THAT. I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH BANKS AS IT IS. >> THE CATASTROPHIC BANK
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| 00:32:56 |
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POLICY WAS TO KEEP WRITING CHECKS. DO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE AGONY AND THE HEART AND THE FEAR THAT SO MANY SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE EVERY WEEK WHEN THEY...
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| 00:33:54 |
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TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE NEED TO GIVE THE BANKS, WE HAVE ALREADY PUT IN $45 BILLION OF IRIS TAXPAYERS' MONEY. AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE COULD NEED ANOTHER...
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| 00:34:19 |
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LET'S DEAL WITH THE FACTS FIRST. FOR SMALL BUSINESSES AND FOR EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE ECONOMY, WE DO NEED TO GET THE TWO MAIN BANKS BACK UP AND RUNNING...
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| 00:35:30 |
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THAT 10 BILLION INTO THE BANKS? >> THE MINISTER OF
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| 00:35:35 |
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FINANCE SAID HE DID NOT WANT TO DO IT BECAUSE HE DID NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS. IT HAS NOT STOP THEM HAVING MANDATES TO FILM APPOINTMENTS TO VARIOUS POSITIONS...
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| 00:35:55 |
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VERY PRUDENT DECISION AND THEN, HALF AN HOUR LATER, HE CHANGED HIS MIND. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. >> THE POINT I MAKE IS
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| 00:36:07 |
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THIS. HE WAS QUITE CORRECT WHEN HE SAID THIS WAS A PRUDENT THING TO DO AND ALSO TO WAIT TO SEEING THE SCALE OF THE LIQUIDITY TESTS. LET'S SEE EXACTLY...
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| 00:36:54 |
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THAT HE HAS ADMITTED TONIGHT THAT THE DECISION BY BRYANT TO DEFER THE $10 BILLION RECAPITALIZATION MONEY FOR THE BANKS WAS DUE TO THE ELECTION. [CROSSTALK]...
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| 00:37:20 |
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IRELAND TO REQUIRE RECAPITALIZATION. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. WE DO NOT KNOW THE EXTENT OF WHAT THAT RECAPITALIZATION IS UNTIL THE STRESS TESTS...
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| 00:38:24 |
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AND HONEST WITH PEOPLE IN THE DEBATE. EIP AND BANK OF IRELAND WOULD HAVE TO BE PROTECTED. >> HE JUST SAID
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| 00:38:41 |
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HE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT TO RECAPITALIZE FOR AT THE EVENT OF THE STRESS TESTS. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE STRENGTHENED AND ENABLED TO RECOVER IN ORDER...
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| 00:38:59 |
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DIFFERENT MESSAGES. YOU WILL FIND -- >> I WOULD LIKE
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| 00:39:13 |
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TO SEE BANK OF IRELAND TO GET BACK TO WHERE IT USED TO BE OF ITS OWN VOLITION. THAT IS A GOOD REACH, I THINK. EIB HAS SOME DIFFICULTIES. WE BELIEVE IT...
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| 00:39:53 |
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NO. I BELIEVE IT IS THE WRONG KIND OF CREATION. IT SHOULD HAVE BROKEN THE BANKS INTO GOOD BANKS AND BAD BANKS FROM THE BEGINNING. CURRENTLY, AS WE SPEAK,...
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| 00:40:40 |
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THE PROBLEM GETTING WORSE. THE LABOR PARTY OPPOSED IT. AND A LOT OF THESE LOANS HAVE NOW BEEN TRANSFERRED. THERE IS THE NEXT PHASE OF IT, WHICH IS THE...
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| 00:41:08 |
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PHASE IS WHERE THE LOANS ARE WAREHOUSES. WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK OUT FOR IS WHAT IT WILL DO NOW WITH THE SALE OF THE ASSETS. WE ARE IN NO THE THEY HAVE...
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| 00:41:56 |
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THEY'RE FWOIPPING TO RUN WITH IT, FIRST OF ALL, NAMA IS UP AND RUNNING A YEAR AND A DAY. WE SAW THE KIND OF THINGS IT CAN DO HERE. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT...
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| 00:42:28 |
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THE PLAN, THEY WANT TO OUTSOURCE 70% OF IT TO PRIVATE COMPANIES. IT'S PRIVATIZING THE PROFIT THAT SHOULD BE GOING TO TAXPAYERS. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING....
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| 00:42:48 |
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A SECRET SOCIETY. >> THE TAXPAYER
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| 00:42:50 |
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DESERVES THE RETURN ON THIS. IT SHOULD BE PRIVATIZED OUT TO PRIVATE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES WHO MAYBE THE PROFIT ON THAT. >> WE'LL MOVE ON. >> THE AUTHOR...
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| 00:43:04 |
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WHAT EMERGED AND WHAT WAS CREATED IS NOT WHAT HE ENVISAGED. THIS IS IN EFFECT A SECRET SOCIETY. PROPERTY CANNOT MOVE AND WILL NOT MOVE UNTIL THERE'S...
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| 00:43:30 |
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NOW. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON NOW. TO ANOTHER PART OF THE ECONOMY. LET'S MOVE ON TO PUBLIC FINANCES. TAX AND CUT. FOR MANY PEOPLE WATCHING TONIGHT, IT'S...
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| 00:44:14 |
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IN INCOME TAX. NO INCREASE IN WRITS AND BANS. AND OF THE THREE PARTY HERE'S, THE TACKS VERSUS CUTS IN ADMINISTRATION AND INEFFICIENCY, IT'S 73-27. THAT...
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| 00:45:16 |
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PARTY. WHAT WE HAVE SAID IS TO SAY TO LOCAL AUTHORITY, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE RESPONSIBILITY, IF YOU WISH, AFTER 2014, TO...
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| 00:45:57 |
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YOUR 50-50 BREAKDOWN, WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO HIS PROPOSAL THERE? >> I THINK THIS
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| 00:46:03 |
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COMES BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROGRAM. I THINK WE HAVE TO BE STRAIGHT WITH PEOPLE. THE TOTAL FINE GAEL PROBLEM DOES NOT INCLUDE...
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| 00:47:24 |
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THAT BE A DEAL BREAKER IN TERM OF THESE TWO GOING INTO COALITION? >>
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| 00:47:29 |
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I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO QUESTIONS OF DEAL BREAKING SITUATIONS HERE, THE ELECTION HAS NOT BEEN HELD YET. BUT I NOTE IN HIS COMMENTS, WE SIGNED ON FOR...
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| 00:48:06 |
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HIM IN. I'LL COME BACK TO THAT. WE'RE COMING BACK TO THAT. 2/3'S-1/3 TUITION FOR YOU. YOU PLAN TO RAISE 1.5 BILLION THROUGH TACKS. WHAT WILL THOSE...
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| 00:48:23 |
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KNOW, HAD 20 BILLION THAT WILL BE NEEDED AFTER 2014 SO WE HAVE A GOOD TRACK RECORD. WE'VE TAKEN TOUGH DECISIONS TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM FINANCIALLY....
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| 00:50:09 |
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THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN AT ALL SO HE'S FORCED TO TALK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE'S PLANS. OUR FIVE-POINT PLAN IS DESIGNED TO GET IRELAND WORKING. LET'S...
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| 00:50:54 |
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WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL JOURNALISTS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE SAVINGS, DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT. WHY DIDN'T YOU GIVE THE SPREAD SHEETS LIKE WE DID?...
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| 00:51:20 |
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THE QUESTION. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY. 14 YEAR, FIVE-PINT PLAN, LET'S GET IRELAND WORKING. YOU NEED MORE THAN THAT FOR THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTRY....
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| 00:51:40 |
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THERE KNOTTS THERE. >> THEY HAVE 1,000 YOUNG PEOPLE -- >> THERE YOU GO
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| 00:51:48 |
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AGAIN. ANSWER TRUTHFULLY. IT'S NOT THERE THE DETAIL IS NOT THERE. IN TERMS OF 6.5 BILLION CUTS. THE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW. >> DO I GET A WORD IN HERE?...
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| 00:52:12 |
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CAN'T SAY WE'RE GOING TO GET 6.5 BILLION WITHOUT TELLING THEM WHERE. >> HE MADE A COUPLE
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| 00:52:18 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OF CHARGES HERE AND THEN PROCEEDS TO INTERRUPT. THEY WILL INTRODUCE JOBS WITHIN A HYUNDAIS. WE'LL APPROACH EMPLOYERS SIDE-BY-SIDE TO GIVE THEM THAT EXTRA...
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| 00:53:05 |
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KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR WITH PEOPLE. I THINK THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS PEOPLE WANT ANSWERED. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT A NEW GOVERNMENT IS...
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| 00:55:09 |
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SAID YOU'RE NOT GOING REVERSE ONE SINGLE TAX OR CUT WE'VE MADE. YOU CAMPAIGNED AGAINST THEM BUT YOU'RE GOING TO RETAIN THEM. >> YOU GO ON THE ATTACK
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| 00:55:21 |
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AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS -- >> BUT LET ME APPS. >> YOU
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| 00:55:25 |
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SAY THAT'S ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE. >> WE
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| 00:55:32 |
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WILL REVERSE THE DECISION YOU MADE. >> TELL ME WHAT THE ISSUE -- >> ON THE TAX ISSUE,
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| 00:55:40 |
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AS I SAID, I FOUND THE -- ON THE UNIVERSAL SOCIAL CHARGE, WE'LL MAKE CHANGES TO THAT UNIVERSAL SOCIAL CHARGE BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT IT,...
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| 00:55:58 |
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THE MINIMUM WAGE TO DEAL WITH THOSE. >> I
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| 00:56:06 |
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DID NOT GET AN ANSWER TO THE EARLIER QUESTION. WHY HAVEN'T YOU PUBLISHED -- >> WE'RE NOT GOING BACK ON
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| 00:56:13 |
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THAT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK. >> THE
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| 00:56:15 |
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POINT IS, THAT IS GOING TO BE BROAD IT'S GOING TO BE INCREASED, A HIGHER V.A.T. OF 21 PK. THEY'LL LOW IT -- LOWER IT. ALL ALONG THE WAY, THEY'RE NOT SAYING...
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| 00:56:33 |
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GAEL PUBLISHED A LONG TIME AGO, BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT, THAT WE WOULD APOLL LISH 145 POSITIONS. WITH EKNOW THE DUPLICATION THAT EXISTS. IF WE'RE TO DEAL...
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| 00:57:58 |
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HE SIGNED UP FOR ARE GOING TO -- >> ON THAT POINT, TALK ABOUT
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| 00:58:03 |
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THE PUBLIC SECTOR. >> YOU
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| 00:58:05 |
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TALK ABOUT ONE IN O10. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN PRACTICE IS TAKING TWO TEACHERS OUT OF EVERY SCHOOL. TALK ABOUT TAKING OUT -- >> NO, THAT'S NOT...
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| 00:58:21 |
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PROMISE EVERYTHING FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE. >> WE APOLISH 145 POSITIONS THAT YOU FAILED TO DO. >> IF YOU EXCLUDE PEOPLE
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| 00:58:30 |
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AT THE FRONTLINE THEN YOU'RE NO LONGER TALKING ABOUT ONE IN 10. YOU MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT ONE IN FIVE. THAT'S A PRETTY TALL ORDER TO TRY TO GET ON...
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| 00:59:25 |
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DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LABOUR PARTY AND FINE GAEL. WE SAID WE ACCEPTED THERY DUCKS OF 3% BY 2014, THAT'S A TARGET WE ACCEPT SHOULD BE ACHIEVED. IF THE...
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| 01:00:03 |
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WE SAID WE WOULD HONOR THE PARK DEAL AS FAR AS PUBLIC SALARIES WERE CONCERNED WITH A DIFFERENT VIEW ABOUT INVESTMENT OF PUBLIC MONEYS TO CREATE JOBS....
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| 01:00:33 |
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AND IT GOES TO THE HEART OF THE LACK OF CREDIBILITY OF THE FINE GAEL PLAN, WE'RE TALKING 6.5 BILLION. SO TALK TO THE ODD CIVIL SERVANT WHO SAYS I CAN...
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| 01:00:55 |
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NOT GOING TO GET YOU THAT NUMBER. THIS IS CUTTING PEOPLE. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THE BIG ELECTRY BOARD THEY WANT TO PUT UP WAS -- HEADLINE THEY WANTED...
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| 01:01:17 |
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BY DEPARTMENT. >> WE'RE
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| 01:01:20 |
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GOING TO MAKE THE SAVINGS. >> OF COURSE YOU CAN SAVE
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| 01:01:28 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MONEY. WE HAVE TO DO MORE. I'M TALKING ABOUT 6 PPT 5 BILLION. LET'S BE REALISTIC. LET'S BE HONEST. >> 63579 BILLION
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| 01:01:45 |
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IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. >> WE ALL KNOW,
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| 01:01:47 |
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WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THERE CAN BE EFFICIENCIES ACHIEVED IN OUR PUBLIC SERVICE. THE EXPERT GROUP, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT LACKED AT THE HEALTH SERVICES ESTIMATED...
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| 01:02:49 |
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THAT. I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU ALL EQUAL TIME. >>
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| 01:02:56 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WE CAN GET THE SAVINGS WITHOUT HAVING TO SPECIFY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE. I DON'T THINK THEY'VE BEEN UPFRONT WITH THE PEOPLE IN THIS ELECTION. AND WE...
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| 01:03:50 |
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REPRESENTED HIS COUNTRY AND GOVERNMENT FOR 14 YEARS HE ACCEPTED NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT READING HIS BRIEF WHEN HE WAS IN THE DEPARTMENT. >> THAT'S
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| 01:03:58 |
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NOT TRUE. IT'S MORE PROP BEGAN DA. THAT IS NOT TRUE. THAT'S FALSE. THAT'S FALSE. >> HE'S ENDORSED BY -- >>
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| 01:04:07 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OK. FOR MANY PEOPLE WATCHING TONIGHT, I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU THIS, ALL OF YOU, 39,000, MORE IMMIGRATING IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS. WHAT'S THE PLAN TO...
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| 01:04:26 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE WORST RECESSION SINCE 1929. THAT'S THE CONTEXT WITHIN WHICH WE'RE OPERATING. IT'S NOT JUST AN IRISH RECESSIONING IT'S A GLOBAL RECESSION. IT CAN...
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| 01:04:57 |
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FINISH THIS? I WANT TO MAKE A POINT, AGRICULTURE AND FOOD IS ONE. TECHNOLOGY IS ANOTHER KEY SECTOR. MEDICAL DEVICES, FARM SOUGHT COOLS, DIGITAL MEDIA...
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| 01:05:58 |
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HAS HAPPENED TO NEIL MARTIN. HAS HE HAD SOME KIND OF BOOST HERE, WHERE WERE THESE IDEAS WHEN HE WAS IN GOVERNMENT THE LAST 14 YEARS. WHAT PEOPLE...
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| 01:06:33 |
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THEM? WE'LL INVEST 7 BILLION FROM THE NATIONAL PENSION RESERVE FUND AND THE SALE OF NONSTRATEGIC STATE TO CREATE 100,000 JOBS IN FOUR YEARS IN WATER,...
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| 01:07:31 |
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GILLMOR. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THEIR PROPOSALS, THEN TELL ME ABOUT YOUR OWN. >> FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T
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| 01:07:39 |
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THINK THEY'RE CREDIBLE. I MET A FIRST-TIME VOTER TODAY WHO TOLD ME THAT SHE COULDN'T REMEMBER IN HER LIFETIME WHEN FINE FAIL WASN'T IN GOVERNMENT,...
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| 01:09:41 |
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TRYING TO GIVE YOU ALL ON THE SAME TIME. ON THAT ISSUE OF BUSINESSES, AS WE ALL THE 700,000 PEOPLE ARE EMPLOYED IN THIS COUNTRY IN SMALL AND IMMEDIATE...
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| 01:10:18 |
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NORMAL WAYS OF GETTING ACCESS TO CREDIT. I THINK FOR SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE HIGH STREET AND COMMERCIAL INTERVISES, WE HAVE TO REDUCE COMMERCIAL RISK...
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| 01:11:06 |
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GRANTS IN TERMS OF -- NOT JUST GRANTS BUT ALSO IMPROVING AND ENHANCING THEIR MANAGEMENT CAPACITY, ENHANCING THEIR MARKET CAPABILITY. WHEN I WAS ON TRADE...
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| 01:12:25 |
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YOU IS WHEN HE WAS ADMINISTRATOR, IRELAND SLIPPED IN THE COMPETITIVENESS RATING. HE AS MINISTER DID NOT IMPLEMENT WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE DONE IN TERMS OF...
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| 01:12:51 |
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BEEN COMMISSIONED BY THE GOVERNMENT, HE FIN HERBED HIS REPORT, IT WASN'T PUBLISHED BECAUSE OF THE ELECTION. >> WHICH ASSETS WOULD YOU SELL? >> E.S.B....
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| 01:13:05 |
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BUT NOT THE TRANSMISSION LINES. TRANSMISSION LINES ARE STRATEGIC. THE POWER YEN RATION UNIT IS IN COMPETITION WITH OTHER COMPETITION FOR ELECTRICITY...
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| 01:13:55 |
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AGREE THAT THEY ARE NONSTRATEGIC ASSETS. I THINK POWER GENERATION, WHETHER BY E.S.B. OR SOMEONE ELSE IS STRATEGIC, PARTICULARLY IN AN ISLAND. THAT'S...
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| 01:15:14 |
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FINISH. I WANT CREDIBILITY IN WHAT I'VE PUT FORWARD. I'VE ASKED HIM A NUMB OF QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANSWERS FOR. THE MOST STRATEGIC ISSUE...
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| 01:15:56 |
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WITH RUSSIA AND A LOT OF STATES IN EUROPE A YEAR OR TWO AGO. AND WE SEE THE MIDDLE EASTERN CRISIS. THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE. WE NEED TO BE EXTREMELY...
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| 01:16:09 |
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TO DO IT NOW. >> HOW CAN HE GET SEVEN BILLION? >> THERE'S A LOT
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| 01:16:17 |
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OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT HEALTH ISSUES. IT'S A BIG SUBJECT. ON HEALTH, YOU HAVE THIS HEALTH INSURANCE SCHEME BASED ON THE DUTCH MODEL. IT SOUNDS...
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| 01:16:45 |
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THAT. LEON MARTIN SET UP THE H.S.E. ITS LEGACY HAS BEEN A DISASTER FOR MANY PEOPLE. WHAT HAPPENS TO MOST DEPUTIES FROM ALL PARTIES IS THAT THEY ARE...
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| 01:17:56 |
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OTHERS IN ON THAT. >> WHICH IS FAIR. >> I KNOW YOU DON'T
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| 01:18:00 |
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WANT TO REMOVE THE H.S.E., THOUGH YOU HAVE A SIMILAR INSURANCE SCHEME. WHAT WOULD YOUR VIEW OF IT BEING ABOLISHED, IS IT WISE WHEN WE'VE NO MONEY TO...
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| 01:18:25 |
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DOWN FOR A NUMB OF YEARS ABOLISHING IT THEN YOU HAVE TO SET UP SOMETHING SIMILAR TO IT ANYWAY. WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD CHANGE IT. WE ARE IN BROAD...
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| 01:19:36 |
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HEALTH INSURANCE SCHEME, IT SOUNDS A GOOD IDEA, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT? >>
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| 01:19:40 |
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NO. I THINK IT'S A CRAZY IDEA. THAT THE ANOTHER PART OF THE FIVE-POINT PLAN WITH HUGE HOLES IN IT. THE DUTCH DON'T BELIEVE, SOME OF THE DUTCH RESEARCHERS...
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| 01:20:19 |
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NOT FACTORED IN THE RESERVES REQUIRE NERD PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES TO TAKE ON THE VOLUME OF MONEY FROM THE AGENCY. SECOND THE AGENCY BLOCK...
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| 01:20:49 |
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IRELAND, DON'T GO TO HOLLAND AT ALL NOW. IN IRELAND -- IN IRELAND, AND YOU WERE MINISTER FOR HEALTH FOR A TIME AND YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR SETTING...
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| 01:21:30 |
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TALKING ABOUT REFORMING -- >> YOU'RE IN NO POSITION. >> YOU'RE TALKING TISSUE
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| 01:21:35 |
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PUTTING FORWARD SOMETHING WITH NO DETAIL. >>
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| 01:21:38 |
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THERE IS DETAIL. WE PUBLISHED. >> HE SET
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| 01:21:42 |
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UP THE H.S.E. HE KNOWS THE LAST THING THE HEALTH SYSTEM NEEDS IS CHANGING. THEY SAY THE TWO-TYRE SYSTEM IS WORKING WELL. THE LAST PEOPLE WHO WOULD...
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| 01:22:42 |
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THE HEALTH SERVICE. I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. BUT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WALKING AROUND, WE'VE ACHIEVED A LOT IN THE LAST DECADE. WE ARE TREATING FAR MORE PEOPLE...
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| 01:23:18 |
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TO DO WE THE HEALTH SERVICE, HE WANTS TO LAY OFF ,000 HEALTH CARE WORKERS FAR PLAN THAT WOULD TAKE 10 YEARS TO IMPLEMENT. HE PLACE -- HIS PLAN WILL TAKE...
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| 01:23:29 |
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NOT SURE WHERE HE'S BEEN FOR THE LAST 4 YEARS THAT HE TALKS ABOUT HIMSELF. >>
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| 01:23:36 |
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HOW MANY MORE TIMES DOES HE HAVE TO SAY THAT. >> H.S.E. SAID HE
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| 01:23:41 |
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HAD 2,000 PEOPLE WORKING IN H.R., HE COULD DO THE JOB WITH 700. PEOPLE IN THE H.S.E. -- THE MAN WHO SET THIS UP, THERE WERE 200 MILLION WASTED IN THE...
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| 01:24:08 |
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HAVE A PLAN OF YOU DON'T KNOW IT. THERE'S NO CREDIBILITY. THEY SAID UNDER THIS PLAN THEY'D HAVE TO CLOSE. >> THERE'S NO DETAIL HERE. >> IT WON'T WORK....
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| 01:24:32 |
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THE COST WAS. >> IT'S A JOKE. >> I'LL TELL YOU WHAT'S A JOKE. >> WE HAVE A DETAILED SOLUTION. >> YOU HAVE FAILED TO DO THAT. >> SOME OF THE BEST
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| 01:25:02 |
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ECONOMIC YEARS WE HAD IN THIS COUNTRY AND AFTER 14 YEARS, YES WE HAVE SOME OF THE FINEST PEOPLE WORKING IN OUR HEALTH SERVICE, DOCTORS AND NURSES...
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| 01:25:24 |
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WAS SUPPOSED TO ELIMINATE 19,000. RESPONSIBILITY LIES WITH THE MINISTER OF THE DEPARTMENT. >> MANY
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| 01:25:37 |
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PEOPLE -- MANY PEOPLE WHEN THEY -- ENDA, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON. MANY PEOPLE ASKED ME ABOUT ISSUES OF SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUALITY. WHETHER IT'S THINGS...
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| 01:26:07 |
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PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. I THINK THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT THEY DID IN CUTTING THE BLIND PENSION, I THINK THAT WAS SCANDALOUS. I WOULD -- THE FIRST AREA...
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| 01:26:32 |
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AN ABSOLUTE PRIORITY SHOULD BE THE 300,000 PEOPLE WHO SUFFER FROM MENTAL ILLNESS EVERY YEAR, 75,000 WHO ATTEND AND THE RATCHETING UP OF PRIORITY FOR...
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| 01:26:53 |
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UNIVERSAL NATIONAL PROVISION FOR CHILDREN IN OUR MAINSTREAM SCHOOLS FOR SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN. NONE OF THEM WERE THERE WHEN I CAME IN NOW THERE ARE...
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| 01:27:32 |
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TO CHARGE WITH YOU TALKING ABOUT LEADER SHI. WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE POSITION OUR COUNTRY IS IN. PEOPLE ARE FRIGHTENED. IT DESPERATELY NEEDS STRONG...
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| 01:27:53 |
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GOT A DEEP SENSE OF CONVICTION THAT I KNOW HOW TO FIX WHAT HAS BEEN WRONG IN IRELAND FOR SO LONG. THE -- TO CHANGE THE POLITICS OF CO-LUTION AND...
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| 01:28:42 |
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IN TERMS OF LEADERSHIP, WHAT'S REQUIRED IS HONESTY IN TERMS OF THE ISSUES WE PUT BEFORE THE PEOPLE. I THINK ANOTHER FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT OF LEADERSHIP IS...
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| 01:29:40 |
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WHAT KIND OF LEADERSHIP WOULD YOU OFFER AT THIS TIME THAT'S CRITICAL IN OUR NATURE THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM POTE OF THE MEN BESIDE YOU? >> I THINK
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| 01:29:49 |
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THE FIRST IS AROUND VALUES AN THE LABOUR PARTY'S VALUES CENTER ON FAIRNESS. WE ARE ALL EQUAL. WE SHOULD BE TREATED IN AN EQUAL AND A FAIR WAY. WHATEVER...
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| 01:30:44 |
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YOU ALL VERY MUCH. WE WILL ALL KNOW EVERYTHING BY THE WEEKEND. BEST OF LUCK TO ALL THREE OF YOU. THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR WATCHING THE...
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