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BOWERS IS AUTHOR OF "SPIES OF MISSISSIPPI," THE TRUE STORY OF THE SPY KNELT WORK THAT TRIED TO DESTROY THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. IT IS ABOUT THE...
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| 00:00:45 |
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SET? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE NATIONAL SPY MUSEUM. I THINK YOU MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE. YOU COULD HAVE RUN HOME...
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| 00:05:05 |
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COMING OUT THROUGH THIS STORM. IT'S REALLY GREAT TO SEE SO MANY FRIENDLY FACES AND LOOKING FORWARD TO TELLING YOU THIS STORY OF THE MISSISSIPPI STATE...
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| 00:06:54 |
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THAT VIOLENCE AND TERROR WERE SOCIALLY ACCEPTED AND QUITE NECESSARY. (music) >> MISSISSIPPI WAS
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| 00:07:26 |
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THE CLOSEST THING THAT THIS COUNTRY EVER HAD TO A POLICE STATE. MISSISSIPPI WAY OF LIFE, OF COURSE, IS A SYSTEM OF SEGREGATION COMPLETELY ROOTED IN...
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| 00:08:41 |
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I KNEW HIM. I MET WITH HIM THE DAY BEFORE HE LEFT. AND HE ASKED MY OPINION. SHOULD I GO BACK? HE SAID, OF COURSE. THERE IS TOO MUCH PUBLICITY. THIS...
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| 00:09:02 |
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IT COULD BE YOUR SON (music) >>. (music) COUNT THEM TWO BY TWO (music) (music) IT COULD BE ME OR YOU (music) (music) DO YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE MISSISSIPPI...
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| 00:09:20 |
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THAT I FOUND IN THE SOVEREIGNTY COMMISSION FILES WAS A MAP OF WHERE THE CIVIL RIGHTS WORKERS WERE BURIED. IT SHOWS THEIR BODIES THERE AND HAD ONE...
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| 00:10:03 |
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ACCUSATION THAT THE SOVEREIGN COMMISSION PARTICIPATED IN SOME OF THE COMMUNICATIONS AROUND THE ACTIVITY OF THE KLAN WHERE THE THREE CIVIL RIGHTS WORKERS...
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| 00:10:21 |
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CONVENTION, I MEET WITH A GUY NAMED ROBERT BOLDEN. BOLDEN IS AGENT X IN THE SOVEREIGNTY COMMISSION FILES. HE ASKED ME, CAN YOU GIVE ME THE NAMES AND...
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| 00:10:36 |
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YOU AGENT X? HAVE YOU EVER BEEN AGENT
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| 00:10:38 |
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X? >> NUMBER. >> DO YOU KNOW AGENT
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| 00:10:40 |
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X? >> I WISH I
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| 00:10:43 |
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DID. THEN I COULD INFORM SOMEBODY WHO HE WAS. I KNOW THE WORK I'VE DONE IS GOOD. >> AND YOU'RE
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| 00:10:48 |
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ABSOLUTELY DENYING THAT YOU'RE AGENT X? >> OH, YES, I DENY
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| 00:10:53 |
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THAT, YES. >> I KNOW BOLDEN IS AGENT
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| 00:10:55 |
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X. HE WAS AN ACTIVE AGENT OF THE SOVEREIGNTY COMMISSION AT THE TRAINING SESSION. WHEN YOU READ THE HISTORY OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT IN MISSISSIPPI,...
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| 00:12:31 |
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MEN IN THE STATE CONTROLLED THE SECRET OF NETWORK OF SPIES AND INFORMANTS. A CADRE OF COVERT OPERATIVES USED CODE NAMES LIKE AGENT X AND AGENT Y AND...
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| 01:12:23 |
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WE HAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS RIGHT HERE. >> YOU MAKE INTEREST
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| 01:12:29 |
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SOUND LIKE THOSE WERE PURELY INSTINCT PROBLEMS. DO YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF COMPLICITY BETWEEN THE SOVEREIGNTY COMMISSION AND THE FBI? >> I HAVE A
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| 01:12:41 |
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WHOLE PRESENTATION ON THE FBI, BY THE WAY. AND -- THERE IS NO TIME TO GIVE IT RIGHT NOW. AT THAT POINT IN TIME THE SOVEREIGNTY COMMISSION WAS THE MAJOR...
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| 01:14:38 |
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TALK. YOU MENTIONED TOWARD TEND THAT YOU FEEL THAT MISSISSIPPI IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLACE. I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD SAY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. >>...
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| 01:14:46 |
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AGREE WITH THAT. >>
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| 01:14:47 |
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YEAH. >> MY DAD IS FROM
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| 01:14:49 |
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CANTON, MISSISSIPPI. BORN AND RAISED. HE WENT TO CHICAGO. I WAS BORN IN CHICAGO. BEING BORN 20 YEARS EARLIER, I WOULDN'T HAVE LASTED VERY LONG THERE....
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| 01:15:13 |
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YEAH. >> THERE'S STILL
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| 01:15:16 |
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THAT SYSTEM OF, YOU KNOW, OLDER BLACK FOLK CALLING YOUNG WHITE PEOPLE MA'AM AND SIR. IT IS MORE THAN JUST BEING POLITE. THERE'S AN UNDERCURRENT OF CLASSISM...
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| 01:15:32 |
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YES. LYNDON JOHNSON USED TO SAY THERE'S THE NORTH, THERE'S THE SOUTH AND THERE'S MISSISSIPPI. AND IT IS A VERY UNIQUE PLACE. AND ONE OF THE REASONS...
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| 01:17:42 |
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HI. THANK YOU. TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, THEN IS -- THE STATE COMPLICITY THAT YOU SIGNED MISSISSIPPI ALSO UNIQUE AND YOU DIDN'T SEE ANY LEVEL OF THAT ACROSS...
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| 01:17:57 |
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IT IS RAMPANT THROUGHOUT THE SOUTH. AND IT IS VERY EXCESSIVE IN THE NORTH AT THAT TIME. >> AS EXTENSIVE ANYWHERE
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| 01:18:06 |
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SNR. >> NO. I DON'T THINK ANYWHERE IT WAS AS EXTENSIVE. CERTAINLY SOME OF THE OTHER STATES ACTUALLY COPIED THE OFF EARN SOVEREIGNTY COMMISSION BUT NOWHERE...
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| 01:19:08 |
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HERE. YES. >> RICK, YOU SAID THAT
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| 01:19:12 |
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THE SOVEREIGNTY COMMISSION LASTED INTO THE '70s. WHAT WAS ITS FUNCTION, YOU KNOW, '76? >> IT IS AN INTERESTING
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| 01:19:24 |
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HISTORY. AFTER THE '64 MURDERS, MISSISSIPPI ACTUALLY STARTED TO CHANGE. AND THE GOVERNOR OF MISSISSIPPI AT THE TIME, PAUL JOHNSON, CONDEMNED THE KLAN...
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| 01:21:32 |
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NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBORHOOD UNFORTUNATELY TO MISSISSIPPI. I'M 37 YEARS OLD, SO I LIVED THROUGH A LOT OF THE EARLY DAYS OF THAT. AFTER THE BOOK SIGNING I'D...
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| 01:21:50 |
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BE FASCINATING. SURE THING. >> I CAN TALK
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| 01:21:57 |
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LOUDLY. >> NO,
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| 01:21:59 |
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NO. WE NEED IT. >> IS WILLIAM
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| 01:22:04 |
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FAULKNER A PRESENCE IN ANY EVENTS? HE WAS A GREAT PERSONALITY AT THAT TIME. >> HE'S NOT REALLY
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| 01:22:09 |
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A PRESENCE IN THESE EVENTS. I THINK HE WAS OFF WRITING HIS BOOKS AND NOT PAYING TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO THIS. BUT HE DOESN'T COME UP IN THE FILES...
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| 01:22:40 |
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HELLO. >> HI. >> I'M THINKING AS YOU TELL
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| 01:22:43 |
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THE STORY ABOUT NOW WHERE INFORMATION IS SO EASY TO COME BACK, AND WHATEVER DO YOU, YOU GET A PICTURE ON A CELL PHONE. I'M NAIVELY SORT OF SAYING THIS...
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| 01:23:12 |
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QUESTION, BY THE WAY. NOT ONLY COULD THIS COME BACK TO HAUNT US, IT ACTUALLY HAS. SO OVER THE SUMMER THE GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA CALLED A PRESS CONFERENCE...
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| 01:25:38 |
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WE TAKE A LAST QUESTION HERE. >> WITH RESPECT TO
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| 01:25:46 |
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THE SOVEREIGNTY COMMISSION DEALING WITH INDIVIDUALS, THE BLACK XHURCH CHURCH PLAYED A FUNDAMENTAL ROLE IN AGGREGATING PEOPLE. WHAT ROLE DID IT HAVE...
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| 01:26:07 |
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A POWERFUL FORCE IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. MANY GREAT LEADERS CAME FROM THE CHURCHES. ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN I HAD A PLEASURE TO INTERVIEW IN MISSISSIPPI...
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| 01:28:04 |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH. HE'LL BE IN THE BACK FOR SIGNING. >> ANYONE WHO WANTS TO
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| 01:28:08 |
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JOIN US OVER AT ELLA'S PIZZA AFTERWARDS, WE'LL BE THERE. >>
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| 01:28:13 |
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THAT'S UP HERE ON NINTH STREET. THERE ARE SOME DISPLAYS THE IN THE BACK. I WOULD RECOMMEND THEM TO YOU. THERE AREN'T THAT MANY, WHICH ILLUSTRATE SOME...
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