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THE FUGITIVE SLAVE ACT RATHER UN-AMERICAN? IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, IN TERMS OF HOW IT OPERATE, HOW IS IT DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY AMERICAN LAW NORMALLY...
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| 00:01:05 |
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EFFECT THAT YOU DID NOT COOPERATE, YOU WERE SUBJECTED TO BEING ARRESTED OR POSSIBLY IN PRISON BECAUSE YOU COOPERATED IN THE ABDUCTION OF A SLAVE. >>...
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| 00:01:15 |
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IT ADVERSELY AFFECT AFRICAN-AMERICANS WHO MIGHT ACTUALLY BE FREE? WHAT WAS SO DIFFERENT ABOUT THAT ACT THAT MADE IT VERY UN-AMERICAN? YES, MR. ELDER?...
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| 00:01:31 |
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ISSUE. EXCUSE ME. THE JUDGES WERE ACTUALLY PAID, I THINK IT WAS $5, IF THE SLAVE WAS FREE -- >> THE ALLEGED FUGITIVE. >> THE
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| 00:01:48 |
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ALLEGED FUGITIVE WAS ACTUALLY FREE, THEN $10 IF THEY WERE ACTUALLY SLAVES. SO, IT ACTUALLY GAVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY PUT FREE PEOPLE BACK...
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| 00:02:02 |
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THE COMMISSIONERS HANDLING THESE CASES ACTUALLY GOT MORE MONEY FOR RETURNING PEOPLE TO SLAVERY OR INDICATEING THAT PEOPLE WERE FUGITIVES FROM SLAVERY...
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| 00:02:48 |
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TOM'S CABIN SO IMPORTANT AS AN 1850s CRISIS? WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE NORTH AND WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE SOUTH? WHY DOES IT MAKE THEIR WHOLE TENSIONS EVEN...
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| 00:03:02 |
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IT EXPOSES THE HORRORS OF SLAVERY TO PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE WORLD. SO, PEOPLE ARE NOW ABLE TO SEE WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENS TO PEOPLE ENSLAVED, OR ENSLAVED...
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| 00:03:14 |
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WHY DIDN'T THE SLAVE NARRATIVES WORK? BECAUSE YOU HAD PEOPLE LIKE FREDERICK DOUGLASS AND OTHER FOLK WHO WERE WRITING AT THE SAME TIME, AND THESE WERE...
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| 00:03:33 |
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AUTHOR'S RACIAL BACKGROUND? IT WAS A WHITE PERSON SPEAKING ON SLAVERY VERSUS BLACK PEOPLE THAT WERE IGNORED AT THE TIME? >> UH
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| 00:03:40 |
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HUH, OKAY. AND SHE HAD VERY SYMPATHETIC CHARACTERS, TOO, OKAY? IT WAS FICTION, BUT IT READ LIKE REALITY, BECAUSE ACTUALLY, IT WAS REALITY. BUT SHE...
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| 00:04:45 |
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AREA [
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INAUDIBLE ]. >> OKAY. SO IT'S A PRECURSOR TO THE CIVIL WAR. WHEN YOU'VE GOT NORTHERN -- PEOPLE FROM THE NORTH WHO ARE ANTI-SLAVERY ADVOCATES COMING...
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| 00:05:45 |
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SORRY. THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO
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| 00:05:47 |
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DECIDE. >> OKAY. THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE AREA HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT A SLAVE STATE OR A FREE STATE. THIS...
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| 00:06:36 |
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OKAY. AFTER -- AFTER THE KANSAS/NEBRASKA ACT PRETTY MUCH -- WELL, DESTROYS THE WHIG PARTY AND DAMAGES THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY...
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| 00:06:55 |
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WAS BORN INTO SLAVERY SLAVERY, AND, YOU KNOW, HE EVENTUALLY WAS TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY WITH HIS SLAVE OWNER. AND HE LIVED IN FREE TERRITORIES...
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| 00:07:19 |
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WITH THE HELP OF ABOLITIONISTS. AND THAT LED TO THE WHOLE CORE PROCESS OF THE COURT SYSTEM SAYING HE CAN'T SUE IN COURT BECAUSE HE'S A NOT A CITIZEN...
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| 00:07:42 |
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MM-HMM. AND SO WHY WOULD NORTHERNERS GET UPSET ABOUT DRED SCOTT? DID THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT BLACK PEOPLE WERE CONSIDERED PROPERTY OR NOT?...
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| 00:08:03 |
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BASED ON THE FACT [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>
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| 00:08:18 |
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IT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS -- WITH DREAD SCOTT, YOU NEED TO REMEMBER TWO THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, THAT THE SUPREME COURT IS SAYING THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT...
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| 00:09:48 |
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NORTH CITIZENS ARE ABLE TO CONTROL SLAVERY AND THAT BOTHERS THEM BECAUSE NOW THEY ARE IN THEIR OWN -- THEY ARE AGAINST SLAVERY FOR THE MOST PART AND...
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| 00:10:02 |
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SO THEY HAVE TO COMPETE WITH SLAVE LABOR. IF YOU'RE BRINGING YOUR ENSLAVED PROPERTY INTO THE NORTH, THEN FREE NORTHERN WHITE MEN HAVE TO COMPETE WITH...
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| 00:11:43 |
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GREAT. GREAT. TELL US ABOUT HARPER'S FERRY. BY THE WAY, WAS THAT YOUR PAPER PROJECT, YOUR RESEARCH PROJECT? >> NO. >> OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> HARPER'S...
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| 00:11:53 |
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BY JOHN DOWD AND HE LED A RAID BASICALLY ON THE FEDERAL ARSENAL IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND HE -- >> FEDERAL ARCE THAT
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| 00:12:00 |
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IN WASHINGTON? >> OH, IN -- IN WEST VIRGINIA. >>
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| 00:12:04 |
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OKAY. ACTUALLY IT'S VIRGINIA DURING THIS PERIOD. IT BECOMES WEST VIRGINIA LATER. OKAY. >> AND HE WAS TRYING TO OWN
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| 00:12:12 |
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THE SLAVES IN VIRGINIA. >> UH-HUH. >> AND ENDED
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| 00:12:17 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
UP BEING BROUGHT DOWN. >> UH-HUH. >> AND THEN THE ELECTION
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| 00:12:23 |
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OF LINCOLN IN THE SOUTH WAS ANGRY WITH THE ELECTION OF LINCOLN BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THAT LINCOLN WOULD NOT TRY TO EXPAND SLAVERY. >> THAT LINCOLN WOULD...
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| 00:12:35 |
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TO EXPAND SLAVERY? OKAY. OKAY. THAT LINCOLN WAS AGAINST THE EXPANSION OF SLAVERY. OKAY. UH-HUH. OKAY. >> AND THAT WAS WRONG
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| 00:12:44 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
FOR THE SOUTH BECAUSE THE SOUTH BELIEVED THAT SLAVERY -- IN ORDER FOR SLAVERY TO EXIST, THEY NEEDED TO EXPAND. >> DID THE SOUTH
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| 00:12:52 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HAVE A REASONABLE ARGUMENT THERE? I MEAN, WERE THEY JUSTIFYIABLY CONCERNED ABOUT LINCOLN'S ELECTION? >> NO, BECAUSE -- >> WELL, LET ME ASK IT
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| 00:13:12 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THIS WAY. DID THE SOUTH EXPECT LINCOLN TO END SLAVERY? DID THEY EXPECT HIM TO EMANCIPATE ENSLAVED PEOPLE? WERE THEY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT? WAS IT JUST...
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| 00:13:32 |
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THAT EVENTUALLY HE WOULD TRY TO END SLAVERY. >>
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| 00:13:34 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. AND SO, MY QUESTION IS, WERE THEY JUSTIFIED IN THAT CONCERN? KNOWING WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT LINCOLN'S ATTITUDE ABOUT SLAVERY. >> I WOULDN'T
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| 00:13:48 |
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SAY JUSTIFIED. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE BEST WORD. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>
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| 00:14:00 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. AND WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT? >> BECAUSE LINCOLN WASN'T --
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| 00:14:06 |
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HE WAS TRYING TO PLEASE THE SOUTH AND THE NORTH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS EXACTLY -- THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE THINKING OF BECAUSE EVEN IF...
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| 00:14:21 |
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OKAY. LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LINCOLN'S ATTITUDE ABOUT SLAVERY. WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT LINCOLN AND SLAVERY? WHERE DOES HE STAND? WAS LINCOLN AN...
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| 00:14:45 |
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A SLOW EMANCIPATION. HE WASN'T NECESSARILY AN ABOLITION ABOLITIONIST. HE WASN'T FIGHTING FOR BLACK RIGHTS, BUT HE WASN'T FOR SLAVERY,
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| 00:14:55 |
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NECESSARILY. >> OKAY. SO HE BELIEVED IN GRADUAL EMANCIPATION. WHY? MR. EVANS. OKAY. >> LINCOLN WAS A
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| 00:15:06 |
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POLITICIAN. SO LINCOLN WAS WILLING TO SIT ON WHICHEVER SIDE OF THE FENCE THAT WAS GOING TO GET HIM IN OFFICE. SO I DON'T THINK HE [ INAUDIBLE ] OR...
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| 00:15:26 |
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ON AN ANTI-SLAVERY PLATFORM. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY'S PLATFORM WAS ANTI-SLAVERY. HE COULD HAVE RUN AS A DEMOCRAT, PERHAPS, BUT HE DIDN'T. SO HE WAS A...
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| 00:15:50 |
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MAKE SURE ALL THE SLAVE OWNERS WERE PAID FOR THEIR SLAVES AND WANTED THE SLAVES SENT TO WHEREVER, GET THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY? >>
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| 00:15:56 |
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ABSOLUTELY. HE WANTED COMPENSATED EMANCIPATION, NOT TO THE FORMER SLAVES, OKAY. PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN ENSLAVED ALL OF THEIR LIVES WOULDN'T GET ANYTHING...
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| 00:16:10 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ALSO YOU TOLD US BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY AND THE USE OF THE SLAVES IN THE ECONOMY, SO IF YOU JUST PULL OWL THE SLAVED OUT RIGHT THERE IT COULD HURT EVERYTHING...
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| 00:16:27 |
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IT WOULD DO TO SOUTHERNERS ABSOLUTELY. WHY COMPENSATE, MISS JOHNSON? >> WHERE WOULD THIS
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| 00:16:33 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CONVERSATION COME FROM? PRETTY MUCH THEY WERE GOING TO GIVE MONEY TO THE WHITE SLAVE OWNERS, WOULDN'T YOU BE PULLING THE MONEY OUT OF THE ECONOMY AND...
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| 00:16:49 |
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IT'S COMING FROM THE GOVERNMENT. IT'S COMING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT'S COMING FROM THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTRY. LINCOLN FELT THAT WAS A BETTER...
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| 00:17:43 |
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IT A LITTLE BIT JUST BECAUSE SLAVERY WAS SUCH A HUGE CHUNK OF THE ECONOMY AT THE TIME SO OBVIOUSLY IF YOU FREE THE ENSLAVED PEOPLE, YOU'RE LOSING A...
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| 00:17:57 |
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ALL MISSING, WHAT IS AN ENSLAVED PERSON FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE OWNER AND THE LAW? MR. CROCKET? >> THEY'RE LIKE PROPERTY. >> THEY'RE LIKE PROPERTY....
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| 00:18:13 |
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GIVE THAT PROPERTY AWAY FOR FREE. THE CONVERSATION WOULD BE WE'RE PAYING YOU TO GIVE UP YOUR PROPERTY. >>
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| 00:18:17 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE. LINCOLN IS VERY MUCH WEDDED TO THE CONSTITUTION AND THE CONSTITUTION PROTECTS PROPERTY, INCLUDING PROPERTY IN ENSLAVED PEOPLE,...
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| 00:19:30 |
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THAT MAKE BLACK PEOPLE ANGRY, THEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH THAT? >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. >>
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| 00:19:33 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BECAUSE THEY FELT THIS COUNTRY IS AS MUCH OURS AS IT IS YOURS. >> YOU BET. >> WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO
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| 00:19:37 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
LEAVE, DIDN'T END UP WORKING
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| 00:19:42 |
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OUT? >> ABSOULTELY. IN FACT, LINCOLN INVITES A GROUP OF BLACK MEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN AUGUST OF 1862 AND GIVES THEM THE ARGUMENT WHY BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD...
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| 00:20:30 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BE MORE LIKE A FORCED MOVE, LIKE HOW THEY MOVED NATIVE AMERICANS BUT IMMIGRATION IS LIKE THEY MOVED OUT BY CHOICE, TO TRY TO FIND A BETTER LIFE...
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| 00:20:45 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BUT REMEMBER, LINCOLN IS NOT TALKING ABOUT DEPORTATION. HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT FORCED MOVEMENT. HE'S TALKING ABOUT ENCOURAGING BLACK PEOPLE TO MOVE. HE'S...
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| 00:21:52 |
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SAY IT'S JUST LIKE SAY AFRICAN-AMERICANS BUILT THE UNITED STATES, THEY WERE THE ONES WHO LAID THE FOUNDATION, THEY WERE THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY PUT IT...
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| 00:22:11 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BETTER, YOU'RE NOT AS GOOD ACTUALLY OR AT LEAST THAT'S THE DECISION THAT COME PEOPLE WILL TAKE, THAT YOU'RE NOT AS GOOD. OKAY, ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S...
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| 00:23:50 |
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PRESIDENT HE RAN ON THAT ANTI-SLAVERY. >> THERE'S A DIFFERENCE
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| 00:23:54 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BETWEEN ANTI-SLAVERY AND ABOLITIONISM. RIGHT? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? >> ANTI-SLAVERY
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| 00:24:00 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IS AGAINST SLAVERY. ABOLITIONIST, YOU WANT TO FREE OTHER BLACK SLAVES? >> YEAH,
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| 00:24:07 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ONE IS ABOUT FREEING PEOPLE. THE OTHER IS ABOUT NOT LIKING SLAVERY AND CERTAINLY NOT WANTING IT TO EXTEND AND NOT HAVING IT IN YOUR MIDST. THERE'S A...
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| 00:25:05 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ATTITUDES ABOUT THE SOUTH COMMITTING TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES WHEN THEY BROKE OFF AND BECAME A CONFEDERATE NATION?...
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| 00:25:18 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WELL, HE DOES BELIEVE THEY CAN'T DO IT, THAT LEGALLY THEY HAVEN'T LEFT THE UNION. SO WHEN HE BECOMES PRESIDENT WHAT DOES HE SAY ABOUT THE FUGITIVE SLAVE...
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| 00:26:00 |
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HE WAS BASICALLY SAYING SINCE THE SOUTH HAD SECEDED, THEY WERE ENTITLED TO THAT. I MEAN, THEY WEREN'T A PART OF THE UNION ANYMORE, SO THEY WERE ONE OF...
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| 00:26:10 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NO, ACTUALLY HE DID THINK THEY WERE STILL UNDER THOSE LAWS BECAUSE LINCOLN DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT THE SOUTH HAD OFFICIALLY OR LEGALLY SECEDED FROM THE UNION,...
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| 00:27:04 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AREN'T ABLE TO KEEP THE SLAVES. THAT WAS THE PRINCIPLE. >>
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| 00:27:09 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WELL, ACTUALLY HE DOESN'T HAVE TO TELL THEM THAT THEY CAN KEEP THEIR SLAVES BECAUSE HE HAS NO AUTHORITY, HE THINKS, OVER -- WELL HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY...
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| 00:28:42 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
I MEAN OF THE -- YOU SPOKE ABOUT IT, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT MY NOTES, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY USED RELIGION TO TRY TO GET THEM -- >> OH, ARE YOU TALKING
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| 00:28:49 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABOUT THE CHANGES IN THE WHOLE IDEA OF ABOLITIONISM AROUND 1830, WE TALKED ABOUT MILITANT ABOLITIONISM AND THE WHOLE IDEA THAT BEFORE 1830 YOU HAD PEOPLE...
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| 00:29:12 |
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HE WAS DOING, THEN? >> WELL, KIND
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| 00:29:14 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OF, BUT HE'S NOT SO MUCH APPEALING TO THEIR SENSE OF MORALITY. HE'S APPEALING TO THEIR SENSE OF WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE NATION. THE NATION IS EMBROILED...
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| 00:31:38 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE WAR. OKAY? EVEN THOUGH THE NORTH HAS ALL OF THE ADVANTAGES, THEY'RE NOT DOING VERY WELL IN THE WAR. OKAY? AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE SOUTH? WHY...
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| 00:31:58 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE WAR. >> THEY CAN FIGHT
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| 00:32:00 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ON THE SIDE OF THE UNION BECAUSE YOU HAVE LOTS OF WHITE MEN SAYING THIS WAR IS GOING ON A LOT LONGER THAN I EVER EXPECTED, AND SO THEY WANT OUT AND LINCOLN...
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| 00:32:16 |
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TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE. >>
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| 00:32:18 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. GO AHEAD. >> THE SLAVES KNEW THE
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| 00:32:21 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AREA OF THE TERRITORY BETTER, THE GEOGRAPHY OF THE SOUTH BETTER, SO IT WOULD BE EASIER TO FIGHT IN THE WAR. >> SO, OKAY, YOU'RE
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| 00:32:29 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SAYING IF YOU FREE THEM AND THEY MAKE THEIR WAY TO THE UNION LINES YOU CAN EMPLOY THEM AS SCOUTS AND SPIES. THEY WERE DOING THAT ANYWAY, ACTUALLY. ...
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| 00:33:32 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
USED BY THE SOUTH? >> WELL -- >> LET'S
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| 00:33:38 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
JUST SAY, HOW DOES THEIR PRESENCE IN THE SOUTH GIVE SOUTHERNERS -- GIVE THE CONFEDERACY AN ADVANTAGE? >>
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| 00:33:47 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NUMBERS. THEY HAVE -- >>
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| 00:33:49 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BUT THE POPULATION OF THE NORTH IS MUCH LARGER THAN THE POPULATION IN THE SOUTH. EVEN WITH THE ENSLAVED LABORERS, THE POPULATION IS MUCH LARGER IN THE...
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| 00:34:17 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MILITARY LABORERS, NOT SOLDIERS BUT MILITARY LABORERS. SO THEY'RE WORKING AS TEAMSTERS, AS CARPENTERS, THROWING UP FORTIFICATIONS. THEY'RE ORDERLIES,...
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| 00:35:14 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE FRENCH WANT TO HELP THE
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| 00:35:16 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NORTH? >> REMEMBER THERE IS A VERY CLOSE ECONOMIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CERTAIN -- YES, BETWEEN CERTAIN EUROPEAN NATIONS AND THE SOUTH BECAUSE OF COTTON,...
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| 00:35:39 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HOLT? >> IF THERE ARE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE SOUTH AND OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, IT DESTROYS THEIR ECONOMY. I MEAN, IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO...
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| 00:35:59 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TRADE. WHAT IS THE ISSUE HERE WITH EUROPE AND SLAVERY IS THE QUESTION. >> EUROPE IS IN KIND
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| 00:36:05 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OF -- THEY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SLAVERY, SO EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE AN ALLIANCE AS FAR AS TRADE AND ECONOMICALLY WITH THE SOUTH, THEY'RE GOING TO LEAN...
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| 00:36:22 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. EUROPE HAS ALREADY DECIDED TO HAVE A FREE SOCIETY, AND SO THEY CAN'T VERY WELL SUPPORT THE CONFEDERACY AS A FREE, INDEPENDENT...
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| 00:39:11 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER AS FAR AS COMPETITION WITH THE WHITE MAN. IF HE FREED THE SLAVES, THE SLAVES MOVED UP AND THE FREED MEN MOVED UP AND THEY'LL...
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| 00:39:39 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSOLUTELY. THEY SAW THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING INUNDATED WITH FORMER SLAVES FROM THE SOUTH, AND THEY CERTAINLY DID NOT WANT THAT. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO...
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| 00:40:03 |
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IN THE NORTH THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO FELT THAT IF, YOU KNOW, IF SLAVERY WAS WRONG, THEY STILL DIDN'T WANT THAT EQUALITY BECAUSE THEY STILL WANTED...
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| 00:40:29 |
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STUFF LIKE THAT. >> WHO REALIZED
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| 00:40:32 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THAT BLACKS WOULD BE CUT OUT? BECAUSE I MISSED SOME PART OF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. WHO IS CONCERNED THAT BLACKS ARE GOING TO BE CUT OUT OF THESE THINGS?...
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| 00:40:48 |
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NORTHERNERS. THEY FELT LIKE IF THE -- BECAUSE SINCE SLAVES WOULD HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO MOVE UP NORTH, BECAUSE IF THEY STAYED IN THE SOUTH, THAT...
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| 00:41:00 |
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YOU'RE SAYING. SO THEY ASSUMED THAT BLACKS WOULD MOVE NORTH BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE SUCH A HARD TIME IN THE SOUTH. YEAH, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS....
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| 00:43:30 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YES, YES. BLACK MEN WILL NOW BE BROUGHT INTO THE ARMY. THEY'D ALREADY BEEN IN THE NAVY. THERE HADN'T BEEN A PROBLEM WITH THE NAVY. BUT THEY'RE NOW ALLOWED...
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| 00:44:44 |
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ABOUT THE NATION, THEY BELIEVE THE NATION SHOULD BE UNITED, BUT THERE IS A -- AND THEY CAN DO IT BY FIGHTING IN THERE IS A DEEPER REASON. AND IT'S REALLY...
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| 00:45:45 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WHY THEY WOULD BE SO OPTIMISTIC WHEN THE SAME TYPE OF SITUATION WITH BLACK PEOPLE FIGHTING THE WAR PLAYED OUT IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, SO THEY STILL...
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| 00:45:57 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABSOLUTELY. THE WAR OF 1812, SURE, BLACK MEN HAD SERVED BEFORE, AND THEY REALLY HADN'T RECEIVED EQUALITY. SOME OF THEM RECEIVED FREEDOM. THEY WERE...
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| 00:47:38 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
UP YOUR FREEDOM. I MEAN, YOU ARE LITERALLY GIVING UP YOUR FREEDOM IF YOU'RE CAPTURED BY THE CONFEDERACY BECAUSE THE CONFEDERACY MAKES NO DISTINCTIONS...
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| 00:48:26 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
UNDERTRAINED, AND THEY'RE GIVEN LESS WEAPONS TO FIGHT WITH, THEY'RE NOT GIVEN THE SAME RIGHTS AS WHITE PRISONERS OF WAR, WHEN THEY'RE CAPTURED BY CONFEDERATE...
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| 00:48:42 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CAN BE SOLD INTO SLAVERY. EVEN THOSE WHO HAD BEEN BORN FREE CAN BE SOLD INTO SLAVERY OR THEY CAN BE SHOT ON SIGHT, ABSOLUTELY. WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON...
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| 00:48:55 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME RATIONS AS THE OTHER -- THE WHITE MEN AS FAR AS, LIKE, FOOD. SUPPLIES AS WELL. >> THE SUPPLIES ARE MOSTLY
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| 00:49:05 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABOUT WEAPONS AND SO FORTH. THE FOOD IS LOUSY FOR EVERYBODY. OKAY? AND THE MEDICAL CARE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE. >> THEY WERE
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| 00:49:16 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
DISCRIMINATED FROM -- THE WHITES DID NOT LIKE THEM OR SOMETIMES IT WOULD BE A CASE WHERE WHITE PEOPLE WOULD SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIGHT THIS WAR WITH...
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| 00:49:33 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
A WAR. >> THEY'RE SERVING IN SEGREGATED UNITS. OKAY? BLACK MEN ARE SERVING UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE U.S. COLORED TROOPS, OKAY? THEY'RE DIFFERENT...
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| 00:50:07 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE RECOGNITION, LIKE IF THEY DID SOMETHING IN THE WAR THEY WERE NOT RECOGNIZED FOR
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| 00:50:12 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IT? >> ACTUALLY, THEY WERE WELL RECOGNIZED. THEY GOT A COUPLE DOZEN MEDALS OF HONOR, ACTUALLY. BLACK MEN SERVED VERY WELL AND WERE RECOGNIZED FOR THEIR...
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| 00:50:59 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
PLUS? MONEY FOR CLOTHES. SO BLACK SOLDIERS ARE GETTING ABOUT HALF OF WHAT WHITE -- WHITE ENLISTED SOLDIERS ARE GETTING. OKAY? MISS GAINES? >>
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| 00:51:11 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ANOTHER THING ABOUT PAY THAT THE BLACK SOLDIERS DIDN'T APPRECIATE WAS BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM WOULD SEND MONEY BACK HOME SO THAT THEY COULD -- LIKE THEIR...
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| 00:51:29 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BET. YOU BET. ABSOLUTELY. >> WEREN'T THE
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| 00:51:33 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BLACK SOLDIERS FORCED TO BE VOLUNTEERS? WERE ANY OF THEM VOLUNTEERS? >> YOU MEAN VOLUNTEERS
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| 00:51:40 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IN QUOTATION MARKS? OR -- OKAY. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE ISSUE OF IMPRESSMENT, OKAY? BECAUSE THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH IS DOING THAT. WE SOMETIMES BLAME...
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| 00:52:51 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NOT THE SLAVES. I'M TALKING ABOUT -- >> YEAH, I
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| 00:52:55 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
KNOW. THE SLAVE HOLDERS DO. ABSOLUTELY. BUT YOU DON'T GET THE VALUE OF YOUR LABORER. AND WHAT IF YOUR LABORER DIES? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE VALUE...
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| 00:55:18 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
LIKE THEY WERE SURRENDERING AND [ INAUDIBLE ] THEIR WHITE COMMANDER? >>
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| 00:55:24 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
RIGHT. THEY HAD BEEN ASKED TO SURRENDER AND INITIALLY DID NOT. AND WHEN THEY FINALLY TRIED TO SURRENDER, THEY WERE SHOT DOWN BY MEN WHO WERE UNDER THE...
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| 00:55:55 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE WAR, WASN'T HE A SLAVE TRADER AS WELL? >>
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| 00:55:59 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YES. ABSOLUTELY. SO THEY TRY TO SURRENDER. HIS MEN SHOOT THEM DOWN. OKAY? WHAT HAPPENS IS IT STRENGTHENS BLACK SOLDIERS WHO ARE STILL IN THE FIELD BECAUSE...
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| 00:57:21 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABOLITIONIST HIMSELF. DOING WHAT? [ INAUDIBLE ]. >> HE'S ENCOURAGING
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| 00:57:24 |
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OTHER BLACK PEOPLE TO SERVE. HE'S A LITTLE BIT TOO OLD TO SERVE HIMSELF, BUT HIS TWO SONS JOIN. AND HIS SONS ARE -- ONE OF THEM AT LEAST IS AT FT. WAGNER,...
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| 00:58:29 |
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DON'T, NO. THEY LEARN TO -- THEY GROW ON EACH OTHER. LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. KEEP IN MIND THEY ONLY MEET THREE TIMES. OKAY? DOUGLASS SEES LINCOLN IN...
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| 01:02:30 |
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AND HAVE BEEN CONFISCATED BY THE UNION. OKAY? IN AUGUST OF 1861, CONGRESS PASSES THE FIRST CONFISCATION ACT. WHAT THAT ACT SAYS IS IF SOUTHERNERS...
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| 01:04:34 |
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THE DRUMMER BOYS. WERE THEY FORCED TO DO IT? OR DID THEY -- >> NO,
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| 01:04:38 |
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NO. IT WAS A GREAT HONOR, YOU KNOW, TO BE A PART OF THE ARMY, WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE UNION OR CONFEDERATE ARMY. PEOPLE BELIEVED IN WHAT THEY...
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| 01:08:53 |
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IN THE ARMY -- WELL, BASICALLY YOU TOUCHED THIS, BUT THAT FOUGHT FOR THE CONFEDERACY BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED IN THE INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY OR BELIEVED...
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| 01:09:14 |
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YEAH. SOME AFRICAN-AMERICANS. >> MAY HAVE BEEN A FEW
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| 01:09:18 |
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MISGUIDED PEOPLE. INSANITY IS POSSIBLE AMONGST CERTAIN PEOPLE. ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE ENSLAVED YOUR ENTIRE LIFE AND YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED INTO THINKING...
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| 01:10:59 |
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THINK THEY TRACE IT BACK BEFORE THE WAR STARTED BECAUSE PEOPLE -- SLAVES RUNNING AWAY FROM THE MASTERS CAUSE, LIKE, ACTS SUCH AS THE SLAVERY ACT...
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| 01:11:18 |
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SENSE, THEY WERE THEIR OWN EMANCIPATORS. >> EVEN BEFORE THE
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| 01:11:21 |
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WAR STARTED YOU HAVE THIS BUILD-UP? >> YES. >>
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| 01:11:25 |
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OKAY. MISS? >> I
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| 01:11:27 |
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AGREE WITH HIM BECAUSE SLAVES HAVE BEEN ESCAPING FOR, I MEAN, YEARS. I MEAN, CAME INTO PLAY AROUND 1830 WHEN THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD CAME ABOUT BUT...
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| 01:12:00 |
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PLAY? LAST QUESTION. WHAT ROLE DOES LINCOLN PLAY? ME'S THE LEADER. >> HE'S THE WHAT? >> THE
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| 01:12:10 |
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MIDDLEMAN. HE CONDUCTS IT KIND OF. >> PLUCKS THE STRINGS ON WHAT'S GOING ON. >> WHAT'S
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| 01:12:18 |
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WHAT? JUST A POLITICIAN? I MEAN, COULD HE HAVE JUST SIMPLY LET FORT SUMTER GO? ONE FEDERAL INSTALLATION. WE CAN LET SOUTH CAROLINA HAVE IT. WE DON'T...
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| 01:12:41 |
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HE PLAYS A LIAISON BETWEEN, LIKE, EXTREMISTS AS FAR AS THE ABOLITIONISTS. BECAUSE HIS APPROACH WAS, LIKE, HE'S TRYING TO SAY THAT HIS MAIN PRIORITY...
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| 01:13:16 |
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THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION. >> I FEEL LIKE HE WAS
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| 01:13:19 |
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THE MIDDLE OF THE LINE TIE MODERATOR? BECAUSE HE WAS A MODERATE, HE WAS ELECTED. HE GOT THE NOMINATION, FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE HE WAS A MODERATE. HE...
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.