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LEADING UP TO THE YEAR 1863 WHICH IS CONSIDERED BY MANY TO BE THE MILITARY HIGH MARK OF THE SOUTH. THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS ABOUT ONE HOUR AND TEN MINUTES....
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BEFORE WE GET STARTED? QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU'RE ALL SUITABLY STOKED TO TALK ABOUT CONFEDERATE HIGH TIDE TODAY? ALL RIGHT. YOU WILL RECALL THAT...
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THE CONFEDERATES BY SURPRISE. LEE WAS SHOCKED BY THE -- >> YEAH. >> BUT HE ALSO OUTMOVED WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A REALLY SHORT SUPPLY LINE
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IN THE PONTOON BRIDGES. DIDN'T GET THERE FOR
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WEEKS. >> YEAH. HALAK, THE PONTOONS -- HE GETS THE RAPPAHANNOCK BY NOVEMBER 19th AND HE SITS AND WAITS
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AND WAITS. HE HAS REORGANIZED THE ARMY AT THE POTOMAC. HE HAS SCRAPPED THE TORE ORGANIZATION ORGANIZATION, AND CREATED THREE GRAND DIVISIONS. HE'S GOT...
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YEAH. BASICALLY, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS THERE --
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THEY'RE ATOM ATTACKS, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW AT ANTIETAM. THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE -- LEE IS WORRIED THAT MAYBE SUMNER IS GOING TO BREAK THROUGH...
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THE ARMIES USUALLY
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ARE IN WINTER QUARTERS BY NOVEMBER, OKAY? THIS WAS SORT OF A RISKY BATTLE. WHEN DAWN COMES ON DECEMBER 13th, THE FOG IS SO HEAVY THAT BURNSIDE IS GOING...
00:16:07
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LAID. BASICALLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, DON'T GET TOO COCKY. >> DON'T COUNT YOUR CHICKENS BEFORE THEY HATCH, YEAH. AND ALSO, I THINK LEE'S ARMY AND NOT RICHMOND...
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GOAL. OKAY? HOOKER PERFORMS LIKE A WHIRLWIND. GRANTS LIBERAL FURLOUGHS TO THE SOLDIER WHOSE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, DESSERTING IN DROVES. HE CLEANS UP...
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LEE, YOU KNOW, FIGURES OUT THAT HE'S BEHIND HIM AND IS KIND OF FACED WITH A DECISION ON WHAT TO DO, DECIDES TO SPLIT HIS ARMY AND FACE HIM. AS HE...
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SENDS CAVALRY TO CUT LEE'S SUPPLY LINES. >> EXACTLY. HE SENDS THEM ON A FRUITLESS GO CUT LEE'S
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SUPPLY LINES TO RICHMOND. HE'S
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GONE FOR TWO WEEKS. HE LOSES HIS INTELLIGENCE. HE HAS NO RECOGNIZANCE. HE DOES MOVE. HE MAKES A FAINT. WHAT IS A FAINT? PRETEND MOVEMENT, EXACTLY. ...
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SEES, YOU KNOW, SO MANY GUYS MOVING SOUTH AND HE'S LIKE, OH, THEY'RE WALKING AWAY. >> YEAH. HE HAS TOLD -- HE GETS -- HE GETS REPORTS OF A MASSIVE
00:23:39
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AMOUNT OF CONFEDERATE INFANTRY MOVING IN THE VICINITY. AND HE'S CONVINCED THAT THEY'RE RETREATING. JACKSON'S PROPOSAL IS, AGAIN -- YOU DO NOT DIVIDE...
00:25:34
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THE ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS. IT'S HUMIDITY, LOW-LYING CLOUDS. ALL OF A SUDDEN HE SEES HUNDREDS OF
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FEDERAL TROOPS JUST STREAMING PAST HIM. OKAY? IT IS TOTALLY -- HE ROLLS UP THE FLANK. JACKSON IS -- IS AFTER HIS SUN ORD SUBORDINATES TO KEEP PURSUING....
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BEEN WOUNDED
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FOR FEAR OF THE IMPACT ON MORALE. THEY FINALLY FIND A LITTER AND PUT HIM ON THE LITTER. AS THEY ARE CARRYING HIM OFF THE FIELD, VERY CAREFULLY, ANOTHER...
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INFORMATION HE BRINGS, BUT HE'S ALWAYS IRRITATED. HE'S OFF RUNNING AROUND DOING SOMETHING. HE REALLY LIKES STEWART. >> OH, HE DOES. BUT IT'S HIGHLY...
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CORPS. THE SITUATION IS SERIOUS. WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE ARMIES? [ INAUDIBLE ] YEAH, DIVIDED TWICE MOREOVER. AND HOOKER IS IN THE MIDDLE. SO THE GOAL...
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INFANTRY CORPS BASICALLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT IT ACTUALLY KIND OF MADE SENSE. WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN THE GUY DOING RECOGNIZANCE ALL...
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WHAT STEWART DID, I THOUGHT THE DECISION MADE A LOT OF SENSE? >> YEAH. OTHER THOUGHTS? YEAH, MR.
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McGEE. >> -- REALLY NECESSARY AT THAT POINT IN THE BATTLE. >> EXACTLY. THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AT DAWN HE WILL LEAD THE
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ASSAULT. HE GETS AN ASSIST FROM
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DANIEL SICKLES. HOW? >> SICKLES WAS A TERRIBLE COMMANDER. >> YOU'LL SEE HIM AGAIN IN "KILLER ANGELS." HE'S A
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POLITICAL
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APPOINTEE. HE'S ALSO THE TAMMANY HALL POLITICIAN. HE'S THE FIRST PERSON -- HE SHOOTS HIS WIFE'S LOVER IN BROAD DAYLIGHT ON THE STREETS OF WASHINGTON...
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FORGET THAT HE REALLY DIVIDED HIS ARMY BEFORE THE BATTLE EVEN STARTED. SO, YOU KNOW, IN LEE'S MIND, HE JUST WON THIS GREAT VICTORY WITHOUT EVEN HIS...
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HIS STRENGTH IS MORE THAN WHAT IT IS. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT LOSING 13,000
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FOR LEE'S DIVISION, THE CORPS IS A LOT DIFFERENT, IS EVEN WORSE THAN HOOKER'S LOSING 17,000. >> ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. >> I THINK IT WAS DEFINITELY THAT...
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I THINK THAT LEE IN THIS SITUATION IS KIND OF ONE OF THOSE CLASSIC EXAMPLES THAT, YOU
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KNOW, YOU'RE MORE DISORGANIZED IN VICTORY THAN DEFEAT. I MEAN, LEE'S GOT HIS ARMY TOGETHER AND HE CAN BRING LONGSTREET BACK UP, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT...
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TO THEATER, WHILE HOOKER IS COMING TO GRIEF AT CHANZLERSCELLORSVILLE, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE WEST? GRANT IS BESIEGING VICKSBURG, OKAY? VICKSBURG...
00:46:10
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WHERE THEY'RE WEAKER, THEY'LL TRY TO PULL REENFORCEMENTS FROM WHEREVER THEY HAD THEM TO TRY TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. SO THE AREA THAT THEY HAVE A LOT...
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GOOD QUESTION. >> THE FEAR WAS THE -- [ INAUDIBLE ] IF WE GOT TO PENNSYLVANIA,
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WON THERE, IT WOULD HAVE AN
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EASIER ROUTE TO WASHINGTON. >> AND, IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT. >> WE ALSO UNDERESTIMATED THE FACT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE...
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NOT SOUTHERN GROUND ANYMORE. >> DEFINITELY THE CASE.
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DEFINITELY THE CASE. BECAUSE HE FORFEITS HIS INTERIOR LINES AND NOW HE'S IN ENEMY
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TERRITORY. >> WELL, I THINK WHEN HE WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT, THOUGH, LIKE PART OF THE IDEA WITH THE INVASION OF PENNSYLVANIA IS THAT IT'S GOING
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TO KIND OF SCARE THE NORTH. AND THAT WILL DRAW ATTENTION AWAY. JUST FOR THE FACT THAT WHILE IT'S AN INVASION OF THEIR THEIRATORY. THEN THEY HAVE TO...
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ALSO, LEE IS CONVINCED THAT A VICTORY ON NORTHERN SOIL MIGHT COMPEL EUROPE TO INTERVENE. OKAY? AND SOME SCHOLARS HAVE SUGGESTED THAT ALTHOUGH BRITAIN...
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HE ACTUALLY LEFT HIS -- HE HAD TWO REGIMENTS AND TWO BRIGADES OF CAVALRY TO SCREEN LEE'S ARMY AS IT WENT UP THROUGH THE PASSES. >> HE DID. >> AND LEE...
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THERE DOING NOTHING. >>
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HE HAD THE VIRGINIA CAVALRY WITH HIM. HE WAS NOT TOTALLY BE LEFT OF RECONNAISSANCE, BUT HE
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TRUSTED STEWART. WHAT HAPPENED IS STILLMAN'S RAID IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE. IT CAME TO NAUGHT, BUT BY 1863, UNION CAVALRY IS PULLING SIDE BY SIDE IN TERMS...
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REGIMENTS. >> VERY GOOD. HE DID INDEED. >> AND THE CAVALRY, THAT ATTACK
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ON STEWART'S GRAND REVIEW, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN
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THE CAVALRY EQUIPPED WITH THE REPEATING RIFLES, SO THE UNION CAVALRY HAD A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE. AND THAT WILL BE PAINFULLY EVIDENT TO THE CONFEDERATES...
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HAVE THE NUMBERS. >> I MEAN, THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT. LEE IS THE ONE WHO WANTS TO FIGHT, AND THAT WILL BE
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HIS GOAL WHEN HE IN SAIDVAD INVADES PENNSYLVANIA. LET'S FIGHT A BATTLE OF ANHILATION. WHEN HE LOSES THE OFFENSIVE EDGE, HE WILL BE FORCED TO FIGHT ON...
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IS FIGHTING A WAR OF ATTRITION BECAUSE HE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THE WAY TO WIN. HE IS TRYING TO TRIP LEE. HE UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOAL ISN'T RICHMOND,...
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MATTER. I'LL
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FIGHT YOU. SO -- >> DOES LEE HAVE TO FIGHT THIS OFFENSIVELY? NO. I MEAN, THAT'S THE ARGUMENT LONGSTREET IS MAKING.
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IS HE NOT PHYSICALLY PRESENT AT HIS GREATEST OFFENSIVE VICTORY. LEE DOES NOT HAVE TO FIGHT ON THE OFFENSIVE. WHICH IS WHY SOME MILITARY HISTORIANS...
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HE REALIZES THERE IS NO WAY HE SUSTAINS ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO YEARS, AND THE UNION PRETTY MUCH HAD AN UNLIMIT EDED -- UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF RESOURCES. AND...
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TO MARCH THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA ONTO
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WASHINGTON, THE WAR IS OVER THEN. AFTER THE AWFUL DEFEATS AND THE MORALE AS IT STANDS IN THE NORTH AND LINCOLN WILL BE COMPLETELY OUT OF POWER BY THEN....
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ARGUMENT EVEN MORE TELLINGLY. EVEN THOUGH WE TALK ABOUT THE HIGH WATER MARK, THE CONFEDERATE HIGH TIDE, IN 1863, BY THE TIME WE GET TO 1864, EVEN LINCOLN...
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HE
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DESERVES SOME CREDIT, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T THINK HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE JOB BUT
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WAS STILL GIVEN IT. IT WASN'T REALLY FAIR THAT HE HAD TO DO IT. SUBORDINATES DIDN'T CARRY OUT THE PLANS. I THINK HE DESERVES SOME CREDIT. >> I WOULD...
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WEEKS. >> I THINK TALKING ABOUT BURNSIDE, YOU NEED TO GRADE BURNSIDES
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ON FREDERICKSBURG AND BEFORE AND THEN ALFRED RICKSBURG. >> RIGHT. >> BEFORE FREDERICKSBURG, HE MOVED QUICKLY. HIS PLAN
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WAS SOUND. UNFORTUNATELY,
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HE WASN'T ABLE TO CROSS BECAUSE OF THE PONTOON BRIDGES. HIS BATTLE STRATEGY COULD VERY WELL HAVE WORKED IF HIS SUBORDINATE COMMANDERS WOULD HAVE DONE...
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FAILURE. AFTER. >> I THINK HIS SUBORDINATES, LISTEN, I CAN PROMISE I CAN DO THIS. I TOTALLY BLEW IT WITH LINCOLN,
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HE WAS DOING EVERYTHING HE COULD. IT WAS THE WRONG -- >> OKAY. HOOKER. >> D. >> D. >> BURNSIDE GETS A B PLUS AND HOOKER
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GETS A
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D? >> PL DANIELS. >>
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COMING IN AFTER
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BURNSIDE, HE DID A GOOD JOB OF REORGANIZING
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AND REFITTING THE ARMY IN THE MOOD AGAIN, TRYING TO TAKE
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THE INITIATIVE, FIGHTING WHAT LOOKED LIKE AN INVINCIBLE ARMY. HE NEEDS SOLDIERS AND THEY HAVE BEEN GETTING BEAT ALL OVER. IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S KIND OF...
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SURE THEY HAD TIME OFF AND FOOD AND
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EVERYTHING, BUT THEN ONCE IT CAME DOWN TO THE BATTLE, HE JUST CHOSE LIKE -- HE LOST IT. >> I THOUGHT THAT HOOKER WAS A GOOD CORPS COMMANDER AND A BAD...
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YOU LOOK AT LIMB AND AT ANY OF THE OTHER BATTLES, HE WAS FIGHTING JOE.
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AND I THINK HE GETS
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INTO COMMAND, AND HE BECOMES McCLELEN 2.0. HE IS REALLY GREAT AT ORGANIZING THE ARMY, IMPROVES MORALE, GETS THEM REALLY WELL EQUIPPED AND GETS THEM...
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KESSLER. >> MR. DENNING COVERED IT. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD. LEE. HOW DO WE GRADE HIM? >>
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GENIUS. >>
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GENIUS, OKAY. >> I THINK POSSIBLY -- I THINK HE SHOULD BE
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CANCANONIZED. >> WE'VE BEEN
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TALKING ABOUT THIS. >> REBEL -- NO,
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SERIOUSLY. IT'S NOT TEXTBOOK TO DIVIDE YOUR ARMY,
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AND MOST -- MOST PEOPLE SAID IT WAS A TERRIBLE IDEA. IT WORKED FOR HIM. ONE THING YOU CAN SAY FOR LEE. HE HAD FAILINGS, I'M WILLING TO ADMIT THAT....
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WAS HIS RIGHT ARM. AND THEY SENT HIM TO GO DO THE
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BUSINESS OF THE RIGHT ARM, GET IT DONE. >> I THINK HE -- HE MAY NOT BE -- OBVIOUSLY, HE'S A GREAT --
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WHAT MAKES HIM A GREAT GENERAL IS HE HAS CONFIDENCE. HE PUT UP HIS ARMY AND ATTACK WITH MUCH FEWER NUMBERS. IF McCLELLAN JUST ATTACKED LEE WITH ALL...
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UNDERSTAND. HE COULD GET INTO HIS OPPONENT'S MIND AND KNOW WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO, AND HE ALWAYS FEARED THEY WOULD FIND SOMEBODY IN THAT RESOLVING...
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HE TELLS JACKSON, HERE IS THE FLANK, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. MAKE IT HAPPEN. >> AND HE'S ABLE TO GIVE JACKSON DISCRETIONARY ORDERS, AND HE WILL...
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OF HIS COMMANDERS. MS. CARPENTER. >> I THINK THAT THE SOUTHERN HIGHER COMMAND WORKS WAY BETTER THAN THE NORTHERN ONES DID. IN THE NORTHERN'S DEFENSE,...
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A REVOLVING DOOR. HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO BUILD NOT LIKE ANY UNITY, BUT WORK WELL TOGETHER. >> WE GO RIGHT BACK TO THE ISSUE. THE WAR COULD HAVE...
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THE WEST. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WON IN THE EAST BUT IT'S LOST IN THE WEST. USUALLY WITH ALL DUE RESPECT WITH THOSE THAT WANT TO CANONIZE LEE, THEY BLAME...
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A LOT ABOUT HOOKER, HOW HE WAS A BETTING MAN, A GAMBLER. I THINK LEE DOUBLED DOWN HERE AT CHANCELLORVILLE. I THINK HE TOOK HUGE RISKS AND IT PAID...
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CREATES IT. HE TALKS ABOUT HOW
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HE THINKS HE IS INVINCIBLE AFTERWARD IS ULTIMATELY THE DOWNFUL. >> GREAT SELLINGGUE TO PAPERS DUE A WEEK FROM TODAY. REALITY. NO, NO, NO.
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AND GETTYSBURG IS THE PRICE THE SOUTH PAID FOR HAVING ROBERT E. LEE, BECAUSE OF THE SENSE THAT HE AND HIS ARMY, PARTICULARLY ALFRED RICKSBURG AND CHANCELLORSVILLE...
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THE ALTAR. >> POINTS FOR MORAL
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STANDING. >> HOOKER LOSES POINTS FOR MORAL STANDARD. SO MANY CAMP FOLLOWERS, HE ADDED A WORD TO
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OUR LEXICON. IT'S TRUE. MS. CARPENTER. >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FULLY APPLICABLE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT HOW LEE IS SUCH A GOOD GAMBLER, TAKING
01:10:00
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RISK IN BATTLE. COULD IT BE ARGUED THAT GRANT IS BETTER AT PLAYING THESE GAMES? HE TAKES HUGE RISKS THAT SEEM TO TURN OUT REALLY WELL. >> I THINK IT'S...
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THAT REALLY RECASTS HIM. ABOUT WILLINGNESS TO TAKE RISKS OF NOT BEING -- HAVING WHAT WE CALL 4:00 A.M. COURAGE. WHEN YOU CAN BE SURPRISED AND BE UNFLAPPABLE...
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DAY. I'LL SEE YOU ON TUESDAY. >>> EVERY WEEKEND,
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