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FOCUS ON COMMANDERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CIVIL WAR. OUR MODERATORS THE FORMER GENERAL HIMSELF, WESLEY CLARKE. GENERAL CLARKE IS A GRADUATE OF THE U.S....
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| 00:01:49 |
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AND AUTHORS AND MANY REALLY KNOW THEIR SUBJECT MATTER. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR TONIGHT BUT WE ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT LEADERSHIP...
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| 00:07:38 |
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HERE. IN THE SPIRIT OF SELF-DISCLOSURE, WAS BORN IN SAVANNAH, GEORGIA, SO I SORT OF GREW UP AT THE CIVIL WAR AND I STILL HAVE A FEW BONES TO PICK...
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| 00:10:18 |
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OF STONEWALL JACKSON'S BIG BOSS, ROBERT E. LEE. TELL US ABOUT YOURSELF AND FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ROBERT E. LEE IN A WAY THAT SOME OF US FROM THE...
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| 00:10:41 |
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FOR "NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO" AND I THINK I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT JUST TAKING AN OPEN MIND TO THE SUBJECT AND APPROACHING IT, GOING WHERE THE EVIDENCE TAKES...
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| 00:12:43 |
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ASK STEVEN WOODWORTH IF YOU WILL TALK ABOUT A NAME THAT INSPIRES FEAR IN THE SOUTH TODAY IN THE HEARTS OF MANY OF US WHO GREW UP THERE, AND THAT IS...
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| 00:13:01 |
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WOODWORTH. I AM A-- AT TCU WITH YOU COULDN'T TELL. LIKE GENERAL SHERMAN I WAS BORN IN OHIO, AND I AM YANKEE AND HE CAN TELL BY THE LACK OF AN ACCIDENT....
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| 00:14:33 |
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AMERICAN SUPREME, REAL SUPREME COMMANDER, ULYSSES S. GRANT. >> THAT IS RIGHT. >> TELL US ABOUT YOUR HOUSE -- BACK YOURSELF AND HOW YOU SEE GRANT. [LAUGHTER]...
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| 00:14:45 |
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AND I HAD TO MOVE TO LOUISIANA, EITHER THAT OR HAVE MY FRONT TEETH REMOVED. I SORT OF SAW, HAD RELATIVES AND ANCESTORS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE WAR. MY...
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| 00:18:21 |
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SHAPED AND WE PICKED THESE MEN IS GREAT GENERALS THAT WE HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT HERE, BASED ON A COUPLE OF CRITERIA. FIRST OF COURSE THEY ARE KNOWN. I...
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| 00:20:27 |
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WAS RATED FIRST. HE WAS THAT SCARE MAJOR FROM DMI, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT IT WROUGHT TO THE WAR HAD KNOWN THIS GUY AND ANNOUNCED THEY WOULD FOLLOW HIM,...
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| 00:22:58 |
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HIS-- THE REPORT THAT HE HAD WITH THE TROOPS IN THE TRUST THAT THEY HAD AND CERTAINLY BY THE TIME HE IS MARCHING NORTH FROM SAVANNAH TO SOUTH CAROLINA...
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| 00:24:30 |
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TROOPS. THERE IS A FAMOUS INCIDENT WHERE LINCOLN COMES AND VISITS SHERMAN'S CAMP A FEW WEEKS AFTER OR MAYBE BEFORE, ANYWAYS THE FIRST SUMMER OF THE...
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| 00:27:08 |
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UNDERSTAND. IT HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF RICHMOND IN 1862. THE CONFEDERATE ARMY IS STEADILY RETREATING AHEAD OF THE MCCLELLAN ARMY, PUSHING UP THE POTENTIAL...
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| 00:30:17 |
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HE WAS BASICALLY THE MIDDLE PART OF THE SANDWICH. THE UNION COMMANDER, JOSEPH, HAD COME UP WITH A VERY
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| 00:30:23 |
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GOOD PLAN TO LEAVE A SUBSTANTIAL FORCE IN PLACE AT FREDERICKSBURG WHILE HE TOOK THE BULK OF HIS ARMY ON A VERY WIDE SWING AND CAME IN BEHIND THEM....
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| 00:32:38 |
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CONTRAST WITH SUPREME COMMANDER AS HE LATER EMERGED ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH GRAHAM. GRANTS FIRST OF ALL WAS A LOT YOUNGER THAN ROBERT E. LEE. HE DIDN'T...
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| 00:33:31 |
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CERTAIN CATEGORY OF GENIUS AND I LIKE WHAT YOU SAY, THE TRANSFORMATIVE EXPERIENCE WITH LEE. YOU GET TO A CERTAIN CATEGORY OF GENIUS AND YOU JUST DON'T...
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| 00:35:30 |
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STILL IS. >> THESE PEOPLE, COMPARED TO THE BULK OF THE FRENCH AND THE BRITISH OFFICERS WERE EXTRAORDINARILY WELL-TRAINED, SO THIS WAS
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| 00:35:40 |
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A WAR THAT-- AND THEY DIRECTED THE 60 MAJOR ENGAGEMENTS IN THE CIVIL WAR, WEST POINT GRADUATES WERE IN CHARGE OF BOTH SIDES IN ALMOST ALL OF THEM AND...
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| 00:39:08 |
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WERE INTELLIGENT. THE SOVIETS AND ARMIES, THEY ALWAYS LOOKED TO DEVELOP LEADERSHIP. SO BEGAN A ARMY, WE HAD HAVE OUR OWN LIST OF TRAITS THAT YOU WERE...
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| 00:40:44 |
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ARMY AND CONQUERED THE TERRITORY. NOTHING ELSE WOULD WORK. THERE IS THIS WIDESPREAD IDEA THAT THE SOUTH WAS DOOMED FROM THE START, WHICH BECAME A GREAT...
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| 00:43:28 |
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ASK NOAH, AND MANY STUDIED LEE. LOOK, WE DID MORE WITH LESS WITH GUYS LIKE STONEWALL JACKSON WORKING FOR HIM WHERE HIS GRAND HAVE THIS OVERWHELMING...
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| 00:43:54 |
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GREAT OVERWHELMING ADVANTAGE OF MEN IN UNIFORM, THE SAME PROBLEM THE RUSSIANS HAD AND THE SECOND THING WAS THAT THEY KEPT SENDING PEOPLE OFF ON WILD...
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| 00:44:49 |
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IN UNDERSTANDING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE MILITARY AND THE CIVILIAN. HE WAS ONE OF THE FEW CONFEDERATE GENERALS WHO TREATED JEFFERSON DAVIS WITH...
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| 00:49:04 |
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THEY ARE TAKING THE HORSES AND GOING HOME AND LEAVING THE GUNS. AND HE I GUESS HAVE THE SATISFACTION OF SETTING JEFFERSON DAVIS STRAIGHT. SPEAK IN...
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| 00:50:07 |
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THEORY FROM THERE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY STONEWALL JACKSON DIDN'T LIVE, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE DID INDEED LOSE HIS RIGHT ARM ON THE BATTLEFIELD. I HAD...
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| 00:52:03 |
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SAID THIS PESKY GNAT OVER HERE THAT HAD A PART OF THE POPULATION BEHIND HIM BECAUSE HE LOOKS SO GOOD IN TALK SO WELL. BUT STONEWALLED, I THINK THE VALLEY...
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| 00:54:04 |
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HER SITE AND SO FORTH AND STEVE YOU SAID EARLIER ON SOMETHING THAT REALLY RANG A BELL WITH ME. YOU TAKE A LOOK AT CHAIRMAN ANDY CAME BACK FROM SOME...
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| 00:55:18 |
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THE WAR I THINK RELATES TO BATTLEFIELD COURAGE. REALLY, THE POINT AT WHICH THE THING TURNED AROUND FOR SHERMAN AND HE WAS ABLE TO START APPLYING HIS...
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| 00:55:56 |
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THE WAR, POSSIBLE MENTAL BREAK DOWN AND THEN HE GETS A SECOND CHANCE WHEN HE IS AT SHILOH. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THIS, GRANT...
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| 01:00:12 |
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OF THE WAR. AND IT'S REALLY -- THERE'S THIS COMBINATION OF A SENSE OF PURPOSE, BUT ALSO A SENSE OF OBLIGATION. THEY THINK, FORGIVE ME FOR TRYING TO...
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| 01:02:12 |
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TO RESCIND HER. >> THAT DARN, THERE IS A FINE LINE BETWEEN WHEN YOU SAY MORAL COURAGE IN STANDING UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN TAKING
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| 01:02:22 |
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ON THE DOUBTERS AND SO FORTH. THERE IS A FINE LINE BETWEEN DOING AT THE RIGHT WAY AND MAY BE GOING TOO FAR AT TIMES. HE WAS SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT ...
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| 01:02:58 |
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WASN'T AFTER GLORY. HE WAS WHO HE WAS. AND HE WAS LATE COMING TO RELIGION, BUT ONCE HE FOUND IT, HE DECIDED TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN CHRISTIAN -- GOD WAS...
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| 01:04:57 |
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SOMETHING WAS DUE, HE DEMANDED IT. HE'S A PRETTY DEMANDING SUBORDINATE. >> ASK HIM TO STONEWALL HAS DRIVEN A LOT OF PEOPLE CRAZY INCLUDING ME. LAST NIGHT...
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| 01:05:10 |
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ON GRANTS. HOW COULD HE NOT A SENSITIVE TO THE SLAUGHTER THAT RESULTED FROM ONCE HE STARTED THE WILDERNESS CAMPAIGN, WITHOUT REALLY A CLEAR TACTIC...
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| 01:05:37 |
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COMING UP. AND GRANT AND LINCOLN WERE BOTH CONVINCED THAT IF LINCOLN LOST THE ELECTION, SINCE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S PLATFORM HAD BASIC WAY BEN QUIT,...
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| 01:09:13 |
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BEEN WANTING TO JUMP IN ON SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. SOME OF YOU PROBABLY HAVE PERSONAL FAVORITES THAT IN THE GENERALS AND SPECIFIC BATTLES YOU WANT...
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| 01:09:39 |
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YES, THE QUESTION FOR MR. TRUDEAU ABOUT ROBERT E. LEE. WHEN HE WAS IN THE MATHEMATICS CAMPAIGN, HE WAS LOOKING TO GET OLSON
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| 01:09:48 |
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ONLY FACING DEFEAT. WHY DID HE REJECT THE OPTIONS OF GUERRILLA WARFARE? AND COULD YOU EXPLAIN IT IN MILITARY TERMS AND ALSO IN MORAL TERMS? >> ACTUALLY,...
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| 01:10:08 |
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THE SOUTH. AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE CAULDRON THAT WAS SOUTHERN SOCIETY, WITH THE SLAVE POPULATION AND THE POOR WHITE, THE BIGGEST NIGHTMARE WITH...
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| 01:11:26 |
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STUDIES? AND LINCOLN HAD THIS WONDERFUL FELLOW NAMED PETER WERE TENUOUS AND ADMIRAL AND THE SECRET WEAPON. DID YOU EVER RUN ACROSS ANY RESEARCH ON...
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| 01:11:47 |
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WHAT I LIKE ABOUT HIM AS HE HAD A WAY OF EVALUATING THE ARMY COMMANDERS. AND HE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST IN POLITICAL GENERALS OF WHICH THERE WERE...
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| 01:12:36 |
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THE FAMILIARITY THESE FOLKS HAD BOTH FROM WEST POINT, BUT ALSO SERVE IN THE OTHER MILITARY BEFORE THE WAR. I'M WONDERING, IT'S BEEN WELL-KNOWN THAT FOR...
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| 01:13:08 |
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THE RESULT. >> PITTSBURGH -- >> I WOULD SAY BASICALLY THE ANSWER TO ME IS THAT LEE AND GRANT REALLY NEW THERE OPPONENTS
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| 01:13:22 |
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REALLY WELL. MAYBE I'LL RUN INTO HIM I DON'T KNOW. BUT IN FACT A SORT OF BACKFIRED IN THE SENSE THAT THE UNION GENERALS BY THE TIME OF THE LATE 1863...
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| 01:14:46 |
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NO. THEY STUDIED NAPOLEON. THIS WAS ABOUT WAR OF MANEUVER. THIS WAS YOUR MINI. AND THERE WASN'T A GOOD WAR FOR THEM TO STUDY BETWEEN THE TIME THEY...
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| 01:15:22 |
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HILLARY IN 2008. [LAUGHTER] >> ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT APPEARANCE POLITICS AND GENERALS. AND AS I TOOK YOU THIS ON THE GENERAL
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| 01:15:31 |
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TOPIC. >> THANK YOU. THE OTHER COMMENTS I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT I WANTED TO FIND OUT IF YOU DO ANY OF THIS KIND OF STUFF AT
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| 01:15:40 |
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PUBLIC SCHOOL. BY THE FIFTH-GRADER AND A SEVENTH GRADER AND THEY ARE NOT STYMIED THE CIVIL WAR, WHICH WE FIND VERY EXCITING PUBLIC SCHOOL. WHERE IN...
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| 01:16:13 |
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THE HIGH SCHOOL AUDIENCE AT ALL ON THIS? >> YEAH ACTUALLY, MONTGOMERY COUNTY ASKED ME OUT TO ANYONE OUT THERE AND TALK TO AN HISTORY HONORS CLASS. BUT...
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| 01:16:25 |
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HAVE TO SAVE THEM IN A MENTAL -- YOU KNOW, PART OF WHEN YOU TALK TO A GROUP, YOUR FIRST STEP IS TO SIZE UP THE GROUP HERE IT IS THIS THE GROUPS THAT...
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| 01:17:45 |
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CIVIL WAR? >> NOW, I'M NOT GOING BACK TO MY EDUCATION IN ALBANY. IT IS A QUESTION OF PERCEPTION. >> BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOULD
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| 01:17:55 |
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BE TAUGHT PERSONALLY. >> THAT'S THE KIND OF ISSUE TO LOCAL SCHOOL BOARDS DEAL WITH ALL THE TIME AND SOMEPLACE IN
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| 01:18:01 |
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THE SOUTH I PROMISE YOU
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| 01:18:04 |
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IT'S TAUGHT. [LAUGHTER] >> WELL, WE NEED YOU OUT IN CALIFORNIA. >> THANK YOU. LET ME GET THIS GENTLEMAN OVER HERE. >> YEAH, THANK YOU. WE WERE SUCH...
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| 01:18:15 |
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COMPLEX, INTERESTING
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| 01:18:20 |
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OR. AND MOST PROMINENT AMONG THE STREETS WITH HIM BEING A GENTLEMAN. BUT THERE WAS AN INTERESTING MOMENT AND I AM SURE HAVE THE FACT STRONG. I BELIEVE...
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| 01:19:19 |
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TERRIBLE OTHERWISE BECAUSE TOO FOND OF IT I THINK WAS THE QUOTE. BUT IT POINTS OUT THAT THE SOLAR, PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE WEAPONRY TRANSITION, WHICH...
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| 01:20:37 |
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THE THAT EXCITES THE IMAGINATION AND THE PSYCHE. IT'S THE CHALLENGE. COMRADESHIP, THE INTENSIFICATION OF EMOTIONS. AND IF YOU READ THE ACCOUNTS OF...
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| 01:22:22 |
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THAT NONE OF THESE THREE OTHER GENERALS DEAD IF YOU COMBINED THEM ALL TOGETHER. NOT ONLY DID HE CAPTURE AND DESTROY THREE DIFFERENT ARMIES AT FOUR...
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| 01:23:29 |
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THINK THAT VERY BRIEF CHAPTER I WROTE, I TRY TO DO WITH THAT BECAUSE GRANT WAS THE ONLY GENERAL IN THE SERIES
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| 01:23:37 |
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SO FAR. AND MY ARGUMENT WAS HE WAS A GREATLY UNDERAPPRECIATED PRESIDENT WHOSE REPUTATION HAD BEEN MANGLED AND A LOT OF PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN. AND MORAL...
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| 01:25:34 |
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ONE OF TIME, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT NOTE THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES WE COULD COVER. I WANT TO THANK THE PANEL FOR THE GREAT JOB HE DID IN WRITING...
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| 01:26:08 |
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THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] >> WESLEY CLARK WAS NATO SUPREME ALLIED COMMANDER, EUROPE FROM 1997 TO 2000. NOAH ANDREW...
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| 01:26:27 |
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AUTHOR AND WROTE GETTYSBURG COLLEGE A TESTING OF COURAGE. STEPHEN WOODWORTH IS A HISTORY PROFESSOR AT TEXAS KRISHAN UNIVERSITY. JOHN MOSIER WRITES...
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