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OUR GUESTS ARE WILLIAM MCKAY AND CHARLES JOHNSON, THE AUTHORS OF THE BOOK ON THE SUBJECT. >> CHARLIE JOHNSON AND WILLIAM MCKAY, YOU HAD WRITTEN A BOOK...
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AND SCRUTINY IN THE 21ST CENTURY." WHAT IS IT? >> IS IN PART A COMPARISON BETWEEN -- AND AN UPDATE ON A BOOK
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WRITTEN 30 YEARS AGO BY TWO CLERKS, NOW TOTALLY UPDATED, BUT A COMPARISON AS WELL. WE PROJECTED INTO EACH CHAPTER AND WROTE AS THE OCCASION PERMITTED....
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THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS THAT AT THE CENTER OF THE WESTMINSTER
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SYSTEM, WITHOUT THE SEPARATION OF POWERS, YOU GET MEMBERS ELECTED TO THE HOUSE WHOSE JOB ON THE GOVERNMENT SIDE IS TO SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT. THEIR NUMBERS...
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MEMBERS, AND I THINK SIX NONVOTING DELEGATES.
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IN THE SENATE, THERE ARE 100 SENATORS. >> HOW BIG ARE THE CONSTITUENCIES OF A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE ON AVERAGE? >>
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BETWEEN 600,700 THOUSAND PERSONS. >> HOW MEMBERS -- HOW MANY MEMBERS
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OUT THERE IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS AND THE HOUSE OF LORDS? >>
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IT VARIES FROM ELECTION TO ELECTION. 646,
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BUT IT MAY BE 648 BY NOW. THE HOUSE OF LORDS CAN GO UP TO 1200 OR 1300. THEY ARE -- THEY ARE NEARLY ALL HEREDITARIES. BUT BEFORE THAT CHANGE, THE HOUSE...
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BETWEEN 60,070 THOUSAND. --
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60,000 AND 70,000. BUT THE BOUNDARIES ARE COMPLETELY IMPARTIAL. THEY HAVE THE STATED AIM OF EQUIVALENT SIZE OF CONSTITUENCIES. THE CONSIDERATIONS WHICH...
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| 00:08:25 |
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EXCHANGE. BILL HAD BEEN HERE QUITE EARLIER THAN THAT. OUR OFFICE HAD BEEN NOTORIOUSLY NOT VISITING FOREIGN COUNTRIES. BUT IT BECAME APPARENT THAT HE...
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| 00:09:13 |
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I LIVED THERE MOST OF MY YOUTH.
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| 00:09:17 |
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I WENT TO AN HEARSE COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA LAW SCHOOL. I'M A REMEMBER OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA BAR. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN ATTACHED...
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MAY 20, 1964, BRIAN, I SIGNED THE CONTRACT AND BEGAN WORKING THERE AS A LEGAL ASSISTANT TO THE
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PARLIAMENTARIAN WHO HAD BEEN THERE FOR 46 YEARS. 40 YEARS LATER TODAY, MAY 20, 2004, I RESIGNED. MY RESIGNATION WAS READ TO THE HOUSE. SINCE THEN I HAVE...
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ME, SPEAKER GINGRICH RETAIN MY SERVICES, ALTHOUGH HE WAS INCLINED TO HAVE A CLEAN HOUSE. I THINK THAT BENEFIT THE HOUSE, AND THE NONPARTISAN SHIP OF...
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| 00:10:41 |
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IN EDINBURGH I DO NOT KNOW WHY I DECIDED TO APPLY
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| 00:10:52 |
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TO THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. THE WAY OF GETTING THE POST WAS TO SET THE NORMAL CIVIL SERVICE COMBINATION. IT WAS WHETHER YOUR MIND FITTED BY THE HEADS OF...
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| 00:11:58 |
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WHAT HAPPENS WITH A SIMILAR SUCH A QUESTION -- A DEFENSE MINISTER IN GREAT BRITAIN. >> NOT AT ALL. THEY HAVE TO RUN THE USUAL ALLOTMENT OF NOMINATION...
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| 00:12:12 |
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ADEQUACY -- CONFLICT -- GAUN TLET OF THEIR NOMINATION FOR ADEQUACY. BUT THERE IS NO SPECIFIC CONFIRMATION OF THEM. >> IF YOU COULD PICK ONE THING THAT...
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I WOULD THINK THE NONPARTISANSHIP OF THE SPEAKER. -- IN THE BRITISH? >> IN THE BRITISH.
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HIS ROLE AS A TRUE NON-PARTISAN ALTHOUGH HE
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| 00:12:47 |
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COMES FROM A PARTY. THAT DAY TO DAY SELECTION OF AMENDMENTS, AND IN COMPARISON TO THE EVOLUTION OF THE SPEAKER'S ROLE, WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN A HYBRID...
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AND THINK IT IS DIFFICULT TO SAY. THE SALARY IS
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ABOUT 70,000 POUNDS. >> WOULD THAT BE ABOUT $100,000? " THE REST OF THAT? >>
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| 00:14:10 |
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ALL SORTS OF THINGS WHICH BRINGS THEM UNDER CRITICISM.
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| 00:14:19 |
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YOU NEED THE EXISTENCE OF ALLOWANCES. [UNINTELLIGIBLE] ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO, THE ROUTINE OF A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT MEMBERS CLAIMS CAME TO SIGNIFICANT...
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AUCTION AS AN AMUSING ITEM OF PUBLIC LIFE. AT THE TIME, THAT TYPE OF CLAIM WAS SEEN TO BE RIDICULOUS. EVEN AN IMPARTIAL OFFICIAL, OF THE SAY THAT THERE...
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| 00:15:24 |
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COST OF LIVING. BUT SINCE 1989, CONGRESS HAS AVOIDED THE NEED TO VOTE AFFIRMATIVELY ON MERIT -- DID NOT GIVE THEMSELVES OF MERIT INCREASES. THEY'RE CONSIDERED...
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BUT A MONTH -- IN GREAT BRITAIN? >>
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THEY HAVE SET LIMITS FOR THE CONTRIBUTIONS WHICH PEOPLE MAY MAKE TO POLITICAL PARTIES AND INDIVIDUALS. FOR
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| 00:16:43 |
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THE AMOUNTS WHICH THE INDIVIDUALS MAY SPEND ON CAMPAIGNING IN PARTICULAR AND GENERAL ELECTIONS, IT IS CONTINUOUSLY BEING REFINED TO BE AS OPEN AND TRANSPARENT...
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| 00:18:06 |
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THE IDEA OF TAXPAYER MONEY GOING TO PARTIES CONTINUALLY BUBBLES UP UNDER CONFLICT. IT WOULD TAKE AWAY MANY OF THE OPPORTUNITIES. >> WHAT ARE THE LINKS...
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| 00:18:36 |
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FOUR-TERM -- FOUR- YEAR TERM UNDER STATUTE. AND THEN SENATORS SERVE SIX YEARS. >> WHY YOU THINK THE FOUNDERS DECIDED THAT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES...
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ELECTED? >> WHEN WE STARTED THIS BOOK, I SAID THAT I SHOULD GO TO THE FEDERALIST PAPERS,
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| 00:19:09 |
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WHICH OUR INTRODUCTION DEVOTES QUITE A BIT OF ATTENTION TO. AS PART OF A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THIS NOTION OF REPRESENTATION OF PEOPLE AND REPRESENTATION...
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| 00:20:15 |
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NO GOVERNMENT WANTS TO GO UP AGAINST THE PUFFERS OF A FIVE- YEAR TERM. IT CONVEYS A SENSE OF DESPERATION. IT SOMETIMES HAS TO HAPPEN. JUST LOOK AT THE...
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| 00:21:38 |
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PEOPLE START CAMPAIGNING? >> IT IS THE STATUTORY, BUT IT IS USUALLY DAY ONE. THERE IS ALWAYS FUND-RAISING GOING ON. >>
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CAN THEY ADVERTISING CONTINUE CAMPAIGNING? >> YES. IN WHAT ABOUT IN THE BRITISH SYSTEM? >>
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WE
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| 00:22:01 |
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DO NOT HAVE THE SAME IMPERATIVE OF FUND-RAISING FROM DAY ONE. BUT
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| 00:22:09 |
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EVERYBODY KNOWS FROM THE POLITICS OF THAT DAY WHEN THE LAST ELECTION MUST BE. YOU CAN SEE IMPERCEPTIBLY THE TEMPERATURE GOING UP JUST BEFORE. >> CAN THEY...
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| 00:22:31 |
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REAL CHANGE OF. COMES WHEN EVERYONE SEES AN ELECTION COMING. IN EACH OF YOU MUST
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HAVE >> I WAS CLERK OF THE HOUSE FOR FIVE YEARS. >> WHAT WILL YOU REMEMBER THAT WAS THE MOST
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| 00:22:51 |
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INTERESTING CONTROVERSIAL -- WHERE YOU HAD TO MAKE A DECISION
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| 00:22:55 |
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AND YOU WERE THAT -- AND ARE YOU THE LAST WORD? >> ONE PARTICULAR DIFFICULT MOMENT WAS IN 1985. TIP O'NEILL WAS
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| 00:23:08 |
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SPEAKER, AND C- SPAN WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN HIS ORDER FOR THE CAMERAS TO PAN THE CHAMBER. >> THEY WERE NOT OUR CAMERAS. >> THEY ARE THE HOUSE CAMERAS....
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| 00:23:31 |
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UPSET ABOUT THE GROWING RHETORICAL USE OF GESTURES AND COMMENTARY BY BACKBENCH REPUBLICANS, LED BY NEW GINGRICH, WHO SAW A NEW APPROACH TOWARD GAINING...
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| 00:27:44 |
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WE HAD SOMEONE THERE TRANSCRIBING THE WORD. WE SHOWED THAT THERE WAS NO DIRECT
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| 00:27:49 |
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PRECEDENT ON ST. WHAT THAT ONE -- ON ONE MEMBER SAYING THAT THE OTHER THING -- THAT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE DID WAS THE LOWEST THING HE HAD EVER SEEN. ONLY...
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| 00:28:16 |
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COMMONPLACE. THE ROW APPEAL OF THE RULING OF THE PRESIDING OFFICER. IT IS NOT A BIG ISSUE IN MY MIND AND I WAS INTERVIEWED ON THIS VERY QUESTION. THE...
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| 00:30:24 |
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IN BRITISH LAW A COMMISSION -- I EUROPEAN COMMISSION CHANGING AND EXPANDING THE BASIS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION. IT WAS BEGINNING TO FAIL, NOT VERY QUICKLY,...
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| 00:33:49 |
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A SNEAKING SUSPICION THAT THIS IS NOT CHEAP. >> THE ONE THAT YOU ARE HOLDING IS THAT GIFT OF OUR GENEROSITY. >> I ACCEPTED. >> AS A HARDBACK
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| 00:34:06 |
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AND IN THAT CATEGORY, A REFERENCE
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| 00:34:12 |
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TEXT, WHICH THE PRICE HIGHLY, IT RETAILS OF $160. ON AMAZON, IT IS REDUCED BY $28. -- $128. >> HOW DID YOU DO THIS? AS I READ A LONG, I SEE YOU INTERWEAVING....
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| 00:34:38 |
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IT WAS NOT EASY. SOMETIMES THE LANGUAGE IS THE SAME BUT THE MEANING IS DIFFERENT.
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| 00:34:46 |
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SOMETIMES THERE IS NO EQUIVALENT IN ONE PARLIAMENT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO COMPARE TO THE OTHER. BUT WE DID AS MUCH AS WE COULD. WE SIMPLY WROTE OUR SECTION...
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| 00:35:32 |
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TIME WE CONCEIVED THE IDEA, WHICH I WAS DRIVING BILL TO DULLES AIRPORT IN 2003, I WOULD SAY FIVE YEARS GOING BACK AND FORTH. THE CREATION OF THE OUTLINE,...
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| 00:36:38 |
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BEEN FOR THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES GOING ON TELEVISION. EXCUSE ME WHILE I READ WHAT YOU SAY IN HERE ABOUT TELEVISION IN THE HOUSE, AND I'LL READ WOULD...
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| 00:37:46 |
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TOGETHER WITH THE USUAL SIZE AND OF RULES THAT IMPOSE -- THE RULES THAN IMPOSE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS, IF ANY CAN BE OFFERED, AND IN THE...
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| 00:40:03 |
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I REALLY GET THE IMPRESSION THAT VERY FEW IF ANY MEMBERS TALK OVERHEADS OF THEIR MEMBERS AND COLLEAGUES TO THE CAMERAS. I THINK IN MY EXPERIENCE HAS...
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| 00:41:09 |
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IT WAS ESSENTIAL AS A PIECE
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| 00:41:13 |
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OF DEMOCRATIC MACHINERY. BUT CRANKED -- GREAT TELEVISION IT AIN'T. BUT BUILDING PRESERVATION IN THE WEST OF ENGLAND? >> WEEK. ON SUNDAY NIGHTS, THE QUESTION...
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| 00:41:42 |
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SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE SEE IN THEIR DEBATES AND WHAT WE SEE IN HOURS? >> I AM NOT SURE THAT WHAT WE SEE IN PRIME MINISTER'S QUESTION TIME...
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| 00:41:55 |
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REFLECTS THIS. WE DO NOT HAVE QUESTION TIME, AND YOU MAY REMEMBER A RESOLUTION IN THE EARLY 1990'S TO ALLOW PERIODIC QUESTIONING OF CABINET OFFICERS...
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| 00:42:46 |
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AND THEN YOU TALK ABOUT REVERSE DOUGHNUTTING. >> WHENEVER ONE PERSON WAS CALLED TO SPEAK, THERE WOULD BE A RING OF CONCERN COLLEAGUES AROUND HIM.
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| 00:43:26 |
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BUT THEN THAT WOULD DISAPPEAR. THAT WOULD CONVEY THAT NO ONE IN THE HOUSE BELIEVE WITH HE WAS SAYING. >> UNLESS I MISUNDERSTAND IN THE TERM. >> WHICH...
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| 00:43:51 |
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THE APPEARANCE OF SOLIDARITY ON EITHER SIDE OF THE AISLE ON TELEVISION, AND
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| 00:44:00 |
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CLEARLY THE COMMITTEE STAFF AND THE SENIOR MEMBERS ARE TOGETHER AND MAKING A COLLECTIVE POINT DURING A LOT OF THE DEBATES. I DON'T THINK I HAD EVER SEEN...
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| 00:44:31 |
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I WROTE SOMETHING STRONGLY FELT
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| 00:44:36 |
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THAT WHEN TELEVISION BEGAN. I SAW MEMBERS CHANGING THEIR STYLE. NOW THEY'RE CHANGING THEIR ATTITUDE. VERY OFTEN THEY ARE PERSONAL AND THEY DO NOT WANT...
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| 00:46:14 |
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THE
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| 00:46:17 |
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IMPACT OF TELEVISED PARLIAMENTARY DEBATE IS NOT GREAT ON THE MOVEMENT POLITICS. TELEVISION WILL PROBABLY DO LESS HARM THAN CHARLIE THINKS IT MIGHT IN...
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| 00:46:45 |
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BUT WE OF CONSTITUTIONAL ARRANGEMENTS
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| 00:46:49 |
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RATHER THAN THE CONSTITUTION. YOU AND I READ HERE THAT BASICALLY NO ONE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT WHAT GOES ON IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS BUT THE HOUSE...
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| 00:47:05 |
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FROM THE HUMAN RIGHTS LAW, THE HOUSE WAS TAKEN INTO THE EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS. THE TOUGHEST HUMAN RIGHTS ARE BEING INFRINGED. -- THEY THOUGHT...
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| 00:48:59 |
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AUTHORIZATION PROCESS, THE APPROPRIATION PROCESS, AND THE REVENUE-RAISING PROCESS. EACH IN ITS OWN RIGHT TAKES AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME, SOME NEVER...
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| 00:50:22 |
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BY WESTMINSTER? >> IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, YOU CANNOT DEBATE THE APPROPRIATIONS BILL. THAT IS WHAT THE RULES SAY.
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| 00:50:31 |
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YOU COME TO THE CENTRAL PARADOX THAT GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURE COME DOWN FROM ABOVE. THE HOUSE MEDDLE WITH THEM TO A LIMITED EXTENT, BUT NO BACKBENCH MEMBER...
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| 00:51:13 |
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OF
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| 00:51:16 |
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COMMONS MAY SHORTEN THE TIME IT MAY REST ON THE PEOPLE, BUT THEY CANNOT EITHER INCREASE THE TAX OR INCREASE THE SPENDING UNDER THE BILL. THESE ARE RULES...
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| 00:52:12 |
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WHAT HAPPENED? >> IT WAS A WATERSHED TIME. THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENT WOULD BE THE CLAYTON
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| 00:52:26 |
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POWELL EXCLUSION WHICH WAS RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL BY THE SUPREME COURT. HE WAS FOUND TO HAVE IMPROPERLY DIVERTED FUNDS AND MADE IMPROPER TAX CLAIMS. IT...
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YES. IT
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| 00:54:01 |
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BEGAN WITH AN INSTANCE OF MEMBERS BEING ACCUSED OF TAKING MONEY TO ASK QUESTIONS. FROM THEN ON, THE HOUSE PAID MORE AND MORE ATTENTION TO ETHICAL PROBLEMS....
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| 00:55:44 |
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TO MY MIND THAT YOU ONLY GAVE ME ONE OPTION. THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS WAS VIRTUALLY UNKNOWN TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE RICHARD NIXON ESCAPE IMPEACHMENT BY...
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| 00:56:35 |
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SELECT COMMITTEES, THE WAY THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO SIT IN THE MORNING, TO MAKE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM OF THE GOVERNMENT, AND IN THE AFTERNOON, SOME OF...
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| 00:57:12 |
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IS OF AN " PARLIAMENT AND CONGRESS -- REPRESENTATION IN SCRUTINY IN THE 21ST CENTURY." OR CASSETTE BEEN CLERK OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, WILLIAM MCKAY,...
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