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THE SOUTH BETWEEN 1915 AND 1917. IT IS CALLED THE CALLED "THE WARMTH OF OTHER SUNS". >> ISABEL WILKERSON, AUTHOR OF "THE WARMTH OF OTHER SUNS", THE YOU...
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YOU THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THIS? >> CANNOT SAY WHAT THE MOMENT WAS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN LIVING IT ALL MY LIFE. MY PARENTS
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MIGRATED FROM THE SOUTH TO WASHINGTON D.C., MY MOTHER FROM GEORGIA, MY FATHER FROM SOUTHERN VIRGINIA. THEY MET IN WASHINGTON AND MARRIED AND HAD ME....
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EXPERIENCES OF THREE PEOPLE THAT HAVE
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BECOME PART OF THE LARGER WHOLE, WHICH WAS THE DEFECTION OF 6 MILLION AFRICAN AMERICANS FROM THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH, TO THE MIDWEST AND WEST FROM 1915,...
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WANT TO READ IT TO YOU. EVERY DAY, MORE MIGRANTS ARE COMING INTO THE CITIES TO SEEK A BETTER LIFE FOR THEIR CHILDREN. THE SCALE OF THIS MASSIVE MIGRATION...
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IMMIGRANT THAT CROSSED THE ATLANTIC OR THE PACIFIC OCEAN IN ORDER TO COME HERE. >> IT IS THE MOVIE CALLED "THE LAST TRAIN HOME." THEY HAD 130 MILLION...
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THAT LIVE IN THE CITY AND MIGRATE HOME EACH YEAR. WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BOOK, BY RICHARD WRIGHT, I WAS LEAVING THE SOUTH TO FLING MYSELF INTO THE UNKNOWN....
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| 00:04:11 |
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TO CHICAGO. HE GREW UP THE SON OF A SHARECROPPER AND ALWAYS WANTED TO WRITE AND HE SET OUT ON A JOURNEY TO GET TO CHICAGO AND HE SPENT HIS ENTIRE CAREER...
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HE WENT TO
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CHICAGO AND THEN LEFT THE COUNTRY ALTOGETHER. >> YOU SAID THAT SHE INTERVIEWED 1200 PEOPLE. " I STOPPED COUNTING AFTER THAT. >> HOW DID YOU FIND THEM?...
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| 00:04:57 |
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I SET OUT LOOKING FOR THREE PEOPLE
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AND THAT TOOK ME TO NEW YORK, CHICAGO AND LOS ANGELES.
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| 00:05:05 |
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IN ALL OF THOSE CITIES, I WENT TO SENIOR SANUSICENTERS. I HAD A BOOTH AT THE JUNETEENTH PARADE TO COLLECT NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE MIGRATED FROM...
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| 00:05:45 |
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IT WAS ESSENTIALLY LIKE AN AUDITION. IT WAS LIKE A CASTING CALL. >> WHAT YEARS
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WERE YOU DOING THIS? >> IT TOOK ME 15 YEARS. IT WAS BASICALLY 1995 AND IT TOOK ME ABOUT 18 MONTHS
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TO
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INTERVIEW FROM CITY TO CITY, AND GOING FROM PLACE TO PLACE. THIS WAS AN ORDER TO FIND THESE THREE. ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING THINGS OF THE PEOPLE WERE...
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| 00:07:03 |
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I AM GOING TO READ A COUPLE OF THINGS. HE SPENT ABOUT 11 YEARS
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AT "THE NEW YORK TIMES."
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| 00:07:10 |
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YOU ARE AT BOSTON UNIVERSITY, RIGHT NOW, TEACHING. >> YES. >> YOU LIVE IN ATLANTA? >> I LIVE IN BOTH CITIES. YOU TAUGHT
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AT PRINCETON
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FOR TWO YEARS. YOU ALSO TAUGHT
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| 00:07:27 |
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AT HARVARD AND NORTHWESTERN. WHY DID SHE LEAVE JOURNALISM? >> I DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF TO HAVE LEFT JOURNALISM. >> WANTED TO LEAVE THE NEWSPAPER? WHAT...
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I WANTED TO WRITE THIS BOOK. I WANTED TO EXPLORE WHY THESE PEOPLE LEFT. I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHO THEY WERE, WHY THEY DID WHAT THEY DID, AND CAPTURE...
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| 00:08:23 |
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THEY CAME UP TO WASHINGTON D.C. AT THE END OF WORLD WAR II. WAS A YOUNG GIRL AND SHE FOUND WORK IN
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THE GOVERNMENT. SHE WAS DOING FILING WORKED FOR THE GOVERNMENT. THERE WERE MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE DURING WORLD WAR II. MY FATHER WAS A TUSKEGEE...
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LIFE. MY FATHER
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DIED BEFORE THE BOOK CAME OUT AND MY MOTHER IS ALIVE AND HAS A SHRINE TO THE BOOKED IN HER HOME. >> HERE IN WASHINGTON? NO, SHE IS AN ATLANTA. >>
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| 00:09:27 |
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WHAT DID YOU TALK ABOUT DAY TO DAY IN YOUR HOME THE GUTS TO INTO THE JOURNALISM WORLD? >> MY
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FATHER WAS A CIVIL ENGINEER. MY MOTHER HAD BEEN A TEACHER. THE IDEA
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| 00:09:41 |
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OF GOING INTO JOURNALISM WAS NOT ANYTHING THAT WAS EVER DISCUSSED AT ALL. I JUST HAVE THIS AFFINITY FOR WRITING AND AND IF IT IN THE -- AND AN AFFINITY...
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| 00:10:43 |
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PERSIANSHING. WHERE DID THE FIRST WOMAN COME FROM? WHY DID TO PICKER? >> SHE WAS FROM MISSISSIPPI. SHE WAS THE WIFE OF A
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| 00:11:00 |
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SHARECROPPER WHERE THEY WERE WORKING THE LAND DURING THE -- BEFORE THE DEPRESSION. ONCE THE DEPRESSION HIT, THEY WERE STILL THERE. SHE WAS TERRIBLE AT...
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| 00:11:55 |
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MID-20S. THE FAMILY LEFT BECAUSE THERE WAS A BEATING OF A COUSIN OF THERE'S. IT WAS OVER IT BEST THAT HE DID NOT COMMIT. -- IT WAS OVER A FAST THAT HE...
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| 00:14:05 |
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LEFT THE SOUTH? >>
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| 00:14:06 |
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THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT 1 MILLION PEOPLE WHO WOULD HAVE LEFT BY THAT TIME.
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| 00:14:10 |
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THERE WAS ABOUT A HALF-MILLION IN
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THE FIRST WORLD WAR I MIGRATION AND WAS ANOTHER HALF MILLION DURING THE DEPRESSION YEARS. IT REALLY TOOK OFF DURING WORLD WAR II. THAT WAS THE LARGEST...
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| 00:15:32 |
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SHE VERY RARELY VENTURED OUT FROM THE YACHT WERE SHE WAS. LIFE WAS VERY CONTROLLED. THAT THEY HAD SO LITTLE FREE
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| 00:15:39 |
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TIME. HER LIFE WAS FAIRLY ISOLATED. WHENEVER SHE WOULD GO OUT, THERE WAS -- EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE WAS CONTROLLED. FOR EXAMPLE, THE ACCESS TO A POSITION...
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| 00:17:17 |
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PEOPLE. THERE WAS A LOT WRITTEN ABOUT THAT ALREADY. MUCH OF THE MATERIAL ABOUT THE WHITE PERSPECTIVE WAS WIDELY DISSEMINATED. THERE ARE MANY WONDERFUL...
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| 00:18:08 |
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THAT HAVE WOKEN UP AND FOUND EVERY NEGRO OVER 21 ON HIS PLACE GONE TO CHICAGO, INDIANAPOLIS. WHILE IT WAS BEING SUCKED OUT BENEATH THEM, THE GOAL ABOUT...
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| 00:18:41 |
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TO LOSE THEIR SOURCE OF LABOR. THAT CHEAP LABOR WAS THE UNDERPINNINGS OF THE SOUTHERN ECONOMY. THEY DEPENDED ON THAT. IT WAS AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION...
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| 00:19:44 |
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YES, I WANTED TO GO BACK WITH ALL OF THEM. HER FAMILY WAS GAME AND I MADE ARRANGEMENTS TO
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| 00:19:52 |
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GO BACK. WE DROVE DOWN HIGHWAY 61 AND MADE IT TO THE PARKWAY AND AS WE WERE DRIVING CLOSER TO THE COUNTY WERE SHE LIVED, WE CAME UPON SOME COTTON FIELDS....
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| 00:21:14 |
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ADJUSTMENT. THEY ARRIVED AS PART OF A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM THE
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| 00:21:19 |
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SOUTH. THE MEN COULD FIND WORK BECAUSE STRONG BACKS WERE VALUED. THEY COULD FIND WORK IN THE SLAUGHTERHOUSES AND THE FOUNDRIES AND THE STEEL MILLS. SHE...
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| 00:22:31 |
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HER LOT. FOR ALL OF
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| 00:22:36 |
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THE PEOPLE IN THE BOOK, THERE ARE MANY MISTAKES THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE MADE IN HER -- IN THEIR LIVES, BUT MOVING FROM THE SOUTH WAS NOT ONE OF THEM. >>...
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| 00:22:51 |
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THE FAMILY HAS A ROOM THAT IS LAID OUT? >> HER BEDROOM REMAINS
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| 00:22:57 |
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UNTOUCHED. NO ONE CAN BEAR TO GO IN IT. >>
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| 00:23:02 |
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SHE WAS THE MATRIARCH OF THE FAMILY. SHE WAS ONE OF THE WISEST AND MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE I HAVE EVER MET IN MY LIFE.
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| 00:23:09 |
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DOING THIS BOOK CHANGED ME IN SO MANY WAYS. SHE HAD A WAY OF ACCEPTING WHAT WAS IT AND RECOGNIZING WHAT YOU COULD NOT CHANGE AND MOVING ON AND NOT LIVING...
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| 00:24:35 |
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MET HER AND HOW DID YOU MEET HER TO MAKE YOU CHOOSE HER? >>
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| 00:24:40 |
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ONE OF THE PLACES THAT I WENT WAS THE
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| 00:24:49 |
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RETIREE BOARDS OF THE UNION'S OF VARIOUS TRADES. I WENT TO THE WORKERS -- PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN RETIRED FROM THE CHICAGO TRANSIT AUTHORITY. WHEN I WENT...
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| 00:25:49 |
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KNEW THAT I HAD A CONNECTION WITH HER. I NARROWED IT DOWN TO 30 AND SHE WAS INCLUDED IN ONE OF THE 30. IT WAS ESSENTIAL THAT THE THREE CHARACTERS BE...
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| 00:26:57 |
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AND TO LOS ANGELES. >> THERE WAS A COLLEGE STUDENT AT THE TIME THAT THE MIGRATION SITUATION BECAME RELEVANT FOR
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| 00:27:11 |
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HIM. HE HAD DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL BECAUSE, AT THAT TIME, AFRICAN AMERICANS COULD NOT GO TO THE STATE SCHOOL. THEY WERE SEGREGATED AND HE COULD NOT GO...
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| 00:28:57 |
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HE WOULD HAVE BEEN 24 OR 25? HE BEGAN TO LEAVE BECAUSE THE EMPLOYERS WERE PLOTTING AGAINST HIM. HE WAS TOLD OF THIS WAS DANGEROUS, WHAT HE WAS DOING....
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| 00:29:22 |
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| 00:29:27 |
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WHAT TIME OF DAY DID HE LEAVE? >> HE LEFT LATE IN THE AFTERNOON AND HE COULD ONLY GO WHEN THE TRAIN WAS LEAVING. >> WOULD ANYBODY HAVE TRIED TO STOP
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| 00:29:39 |
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THEM? >> THEY APPARENTLY DID NOT TRY TO STOP HIM.
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| 00:29:44 |
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HE ASKED A FRIEND IF HE WOULD TAKE INTO THE TRAIN
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| 00:29:48 |
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STATION AND THEY TRY TO ATTRACT LITTLE ATTENTION. HE DID NOT WANT TO LET ANYONE KNOW THAT HE WAS PREPARED TO LEAVE. >> WHERE DID HE GO FIRST? >> HE WENT...
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| 00:30:02 |
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PREVIOUSLY TRIED DETROIT AND FOUND THAT HE DID
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| 00:30:05 |
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NOT -- IN DETROIT WAS NOT WANT TO WORK FOR HIM BECAUSE HE WAS THERE DURING A BAD TIME WHEN THERE WAS A RIOT AND THAT SCARED HIM OFF AND HE WENT BACK...
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| 00:30:28 |
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LIVES , ONE MAN'S FATHER WAS THE OWNER OF LOCAL STORE. HE DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THEY HAVE THE MEANS TO SAVE
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| 00:30:36 |
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UP SOMETHING. THEY WORK QUITE FRUGAL. DURING THE DAYS WHEN THEY WERE WINNING IN THE GROVES, THEY WERE MAKING MORE MONEY THAN THEY HAD BEFORE. >> WHAT...
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| 00:30:59 |
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HE ENDED UP GOING RIGHT BACK TO THE SOUTH THAT HE SWORE HE NEVER WOULD GO BACK TO.
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| 00:31:03 |
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HE HAD NO TROUBLE FINDING WORK BECAUSE BEING A MALE CAUCASIAN AN ADVANTAGE IN THAT ERA. HE ALSO -- BEING A MALE GAVE HIM AND THEN VANISH IN THAT AREA....
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| 00:31:42 |
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CONDUCTOR'S, IF THEY WERE SOUTHERN, WHAT OFTEN IS TREAT SOME OF REPORTERS THAT HE GOT ON THE BAD SIDE OF ONE OF THE
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| 00:31:49 |
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CONDUCTORS. THERE WAS A PERILOUS MOMENT FOR HIM IN WHICH THE CONDUCTOR DID NOT LIKE WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS AN IMPERIOUS AND DIGNITY GEORGE A STARLING HAD...
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| 00:33:18 |
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COLORED PEOPLE" AND "NEGROS." WHAT WAS YOUR APPROACH? >> I WANTED THE READER TO BE IN A MOMENT. IF I WAS TALKING WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE PICKING
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| 00:33:36 |
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COTTON, I WANTED YOU TO BE ABLE TO IMAGINE YOURSELF THERE. THE LANGUAGE ALL ROUND THEM WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT WE...
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| 00:34:00 |
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WHERE EVERY MOVE WAS CONTROLLED. THE
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| 00:34:06 |
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WORD CAN HAVE MULTIPLE MEANINGS. YOU CAN HAVE A CAST ON YOUR ARM. BLACKS COULD NOT MOVE FREELY IN SOCIETY. >> WHERE DID THE NAME COME FROM? >> IT CAME...
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| 00:34:28 |
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IT WAS MADE POPULAR BY A MINSTREL
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| 00:34:33 |
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PERFORMER THAT WENT ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY AND GOT QUITE RICH DOING THIS. HE ACTUALLY PICKED UP ON THAT BY SEEING THE MOST COMMON VIEW IS THAT HE SAW...
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| 00:35:41 |
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JIM-CROW LOSS IN THE NORTH? WHAT'S THERE WERE JIM CROW LAWS IN THE NORTH. -- >>
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| 00:35:45 |
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| 00:35:47 |
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THERE WERE JIM CROW LAWS AND THE NORTH. JIM CROW WAS APPLIED MORE IN THE NORTH. >> ARE THERE ANY JIM CROW LAWS LEFT ANYWHERE? >> I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY....
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| 00:36:01 |
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HAVE BEEN A
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| 00:36:03 |
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1970'S. THERE WAS
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| 00:36:05 |
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A SHERIFF WHERE
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| 00:36:09 |
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GEORGE STARLING LIVED THAT REFUSED TO TAKE DOWN THE COLORED AND WHITE SIGN IN HIS OFFICE UNTIL THE 1970'S. HE WAS VOTED OUT OF OFFICE BY THE PEOPLE,...
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| 00:36:37 |
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WAS THE END OF HIS
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| 00:36:38 |
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LIFE LIKE? >> HE WAS A DEACON
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| 00:36:41 |
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IN THE CHURCH WHICH IS WHERE HE FOUND A KIND OF PEACE FOR THE DIFFICULT LIFE THAT HE HAD.
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| 00:36:47 |
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HE INSTANTLY BEGAN TO TELL STORIES ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCES >> HOW DID YOU FIND HIM? >> I FOUND HIM AT THE CHURCH. >> YOU JUST WENT UP TO THE CHURCH AND...
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| 00:37:05 |
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I HAVE A WOMAN THAT WAS
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| 00:37:07 |
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WORKING WITH ME AND SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO MAKE CONTACT WITH HIM. WHEN I TOLD
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| 00:37:12 |
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HIM-WHEN I HEARD ABOUT HIM, I WANTED TO TALK WITH HIM AND I DID. >> THERE ARE NO PICTURES IN YOUR BOOK. >> WNO. >> WHY
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| 00:37:24 |
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NOT? >> WE WANTED THE READER TO LOSE
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| 00:37:29 |
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THEMSELVES IN THE NARRATIVE.
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| 00:37:30 |
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TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU
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| 00:37:34 |
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WOULD HAVE DONE IN THAT SITUATION, BLACK OR WHITE. WE THOUGHT THAT THE PHOTOGRAPHS WOULD IT BE SOMETHING OF A DISTRACTION TO PEOPLE. >> CAN WE EVER SEE...
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| 00:37:55 |
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SAW YOUNG LADY ON THE WEBSITE. IS.
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| 00:37:58 |
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I--
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| 00:38:02 |
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IS THAT IDA MAE? >> THAT IS MY MOTHER. SHE SAW A SIGN ON THE SIDEWALK THAT
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| 00:38:15 |
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THE"NO STANDING." SHE POINTED TO IT AND HER HEAD IS TO THE SIDE IN SHE IS JUBILANT AND SHE SAID THAT SHE IS STANDING HERE AT THE NO STANDING SIGN. >>...
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| 00:38:36 |
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THERE ARE SEVERAL BEEN. --
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| 00:38:41 |
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SEVERAL MEN. THERE IS A MAN IN A FLIGHT SUIT.
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| 00:38:45 |
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THAT IS MY FATHER. >> HOW DO YOU FIND THEM? >>
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| 00:38:57 |
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I HAVE NOT UPLOADED ALL OF THEM YET. >> HOW
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| 00:39:04 |
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DID GEORGE STARLING DIE? >> HE DIED SOMEWHAT
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| 00:39:11 |
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HEARTBROKEN BECAUSE HIS
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| 00:39:17 |
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CHILDREN HAD BEEN SWALLOWED UP BY THE NORTH THAT HE FLED TO. THEY WENT BACK TO THE SOUTH. HE WAS HEARTBROKEN. HE WAS STILL STRONG, HE HAD A BRAIN, AND...
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| 00:40:06 |
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HE HAD GONE UP TO SEE HIM IN THE HOSPITAL. HE WAS IN A COMA BY
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| 00:40:10 |
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THAT TIME, AND THE SUNS SAW HIM IN THAT STATE AND HE WAS DIABETIC HIMSELF AND HE WAS SO DISTRAUGHT THAT HE HAD ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT WERE WRONG WITH...
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| 00:40:55 |
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PERSHING FOSTER. >> IT WAS THE END OF WORLD WERE I WHEN HE WAS BORN AND HE WAS THE HERO OF THE DAY.
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| 00:41:08 |
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SHE WANTED HER SON TO HAVE THIS IMPORTANT NAMED THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THE DAY. >> GENERAL PERSHING TAUGHT AFRICAN AMERICANS. COO>> I DID
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| 00:41:33 |
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NOT REALIZE THAT. THAT IS AMAZING. >> HE WAS SO TOUGH, THAT HE USED THE "N" WORD. >>
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| 00:41:44 |
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I CANNOT SAY IF HIS MOTHER WAS AWARE OF THAT. I DOUBT THAT SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WRITE
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| 00:41:53 |
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ABOUT IS THAT THE WHOLE NAMING OF A CHILD IS A SPECIAL THING FOR THESE PARENTS IN THE SOUTH BECAUSE THERE IS VERY LITTLE ELSE THAT THEY COULD GIVE THEIR...
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| 00:42:39 |
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HIM UNTIL YOU TELL US YOUR STORY ABOUT YOU AND YOUR PARENTS IN A CAR. GIVE US THAT WHOLE PLAN. SLEEPING IN A CAR? >> THEY TOLD ME THE STORY OF THE MIGRATION...
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| 00:42:59 |
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IT, I NEEDED TO RECREATE IT MYSELF. WHAT I DID WAS I MADE ARRANGEMENTS TO DRIVE OUT THERE. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL WAY-MY PARENTS DECIDED THEY...
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| 00:43:58 |
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DID YOU ACTUALLY SLEEP IN THE CAR? >>
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| 00:44:02 |
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WE DROVE, TO THE LETTER, EVERYWHERE
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| 00:44:06 |
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HE WENT, DEL RIO, TEXAS AND ONTO A TUSSLE.
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| 00:44:11 |
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THEN WE GOT TO -- ON TO EL PASO. WE COULD NOT STOP, BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO RECALL WHAT HE DID. WE ENDED UP DRIVING AND CONTINUED TO DRIVE AND IT GOT...
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| 00:45:44 |
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IN THE ARMY AND THE KOREAN WAR. HE HAD PERFORMED SURGERY IN AUSTRIA.
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| 00:45:51 |
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WHEN HE WAS DISCHARGED, HE FOUND THAT HE COULD NOT WORK IN THE HOSPITAL IN HIS OWN HOMETOWN. >> WHY? >> BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF JIM- CROW. HOSPITALS
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| 00:46:06 |
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DID NOT ALLOW BLACK PEOPLE TO BE
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| 00:46:10 |
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DOCTORS, TO PERFORM ANY KIND OF MEDICAL WORK IN A HOSPITAL. HE HAD A BROTHER THAT WAS A PHYSICIAN AND HIS BROTHER FOUND A WAY OUR ROUNDUP. THE BROTHER...
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| 00:47:27 |
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HE HAD THE MONEY TO DO
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| 00:47:30 |
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IT AND HE WAS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. HE WAS WELL BEYOND THE REACH OF THE BOUNDARIES OF JIM CROW. BY THIS TIME, HE WAS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA. >> THIS...
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| 00:47:47 |
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NOWHERE IN ARIZONA, DID THEY TELL HIM WHY? >>
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| 00:47:49 |
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THEY DID NOT TELL HIM WHY. ULTIMATELY,
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| 00:47:54 |
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THE LAST PLACE THAT HE WENT, HE RAN INTO SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE FROM ILLINOIS
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| 00:47:58 |
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AND THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT AFTER THE WIFE HAD SEEN HIM FIRST AND IT GAVE HIM HOPE THAT HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO STAY FOR THE NIGHT. ULTIMATELY, SHE WENT BACK...
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| 00:49:26 |
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THE MOST INTERESTING OF ALL. I SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME IN LOS ANGELES,
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| 00:49:31 |
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TALKING TO ANY NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT I COULD FIND WHO WERE CONNECTED TO THE SOUTH. I RAN INTO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT CLUBS AND THE VARIOUS CREOLE CLUBS...
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| 00:50:58 |
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HOW OLD WAS HE WHEN YOU
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| 00:51:01 |
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GOT TO HIM? >> HE WAS 76. >> WHAT
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| 00:51:07 |
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IS THE BIGGEST STORE? WHEN HE WANTED
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| 00:51:09 |
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TO GO TO VEGAS -- WHAT IS THE LOSS THEY THIS STORY? --
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| 00:51:13 |
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WHAT IS THE VEGAS STORY? >> VEGAS WAS OFF-LIMITS TO AFRICAN AMERICANS. EVERYTHING HE HAD WANTED TO
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| 00:51:30 |
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DO IN NEW ORLEANS, THE WHITE PHYSICIANS WOULD COME BACK WITH STORIES. THEY WOULD ASK HIM IF HE HAD BEEN THERE. HE WOULD TELL THEM THAT THEY KNOW THAT...
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| 00:53:46 |
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IT CHANGED MY LIFE BECAUSE IT HELPED ANSWER SO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE COUNTRY BECAME TO BE. ABOUT HOW
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| 00:53:54 |
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AFRICAN-AMERICANS MADE IT TO THE NORTH AND WEST. THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT YOU MIGHT MEET THAT ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN IN THE NORTH AND WEST ARE DESCENDANTS...
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| 00:54:49 |
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FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. EVEN THOSE THAT WERE AMERICAN- BORN WORK FROM PEOPLE FROM IRELAND OR SCOTLAND OR WHEREVER THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN, GERMANY OR...
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| 00:55:34 |
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ANY CHILDREN? >>
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| 00:55:37 |
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KNOW. --
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| 00:55:40 |
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NO. >>
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| 00:55:43 |
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HOW TO SURVIVE FINANCIALLY DURING THIS BOOK? >> RANDOM HOUSE WAS GREAT. THERE WERE A GREAT HELP.
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| 00:55:50 |
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I ALSO
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| 00:55:53 |
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TAUGHT AT PRINCETON AND AT EMORY. I WOULD WRITE OCCASIONALLY FOR IT "THE NEW YORK TIMES." >> WHAT IS NEXT? >> LOSS
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| 00:56:10 |
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ANGELES -- LOS ANGELES. I AM HAPPY TO SEE PEOPLE BUYING THE BOOK, BUT I
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| 00:56:19 |
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WANT PEOPLE TO READ IT. WE HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON. THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE. >> IF WE SEE THE PICTURES, WE HAVE A CHANGE OF FEELING ABOUT THESE FOLKS?...
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| 00:56:33 |
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ALREADY KNOW. >>
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| 00:56:38 |
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ISABEL WILKERSON, THE NAME OF THE BOOK IS "THE WARMTH OF OTHER SUNS"." THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US. >>
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| 00:56:46 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOININGTHANK
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| 00:56:53 |
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YOU FOR HAVING ME. >> FOR A DVD COPY OF THIS PROGRAM CALL 1-877-662-7726. FOR FREE TRANSCRIPTS OR TO GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT
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