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LIFE. THE AUTHOR CLAIMS THAT MR. BECK'S RADIO CAREER WAS FLOUNDER UNTIL HE FOUND A NICHE OF NEGLECT CLAIMS AGAINST THE LEFT AND HIS RALLIES ARE FOR...
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Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
HERE. AND I'M GOING TO READ A LITTLE BIT FROM THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS BOOK. YEP. I'M GOING TO BE READING FROM THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS BOOK "CARBON...
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Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
SAW NO CHOICE. IT WAS NECESSARY OF TRUE PATRIOTS, LIKE THOSE GATHERED IN THE VILLAGES TO COUNTER AND CRUSH THE BIPARTISAN GOAL TO TRANSFER THE UNITED...
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BIOGRAPHICAL BACKGROUND? >> UH-HUH. YEAH. >>
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STARTING WAY BACK? >> NO, I NEVER ACTUALLY MET WITH BECK PERSONALLY OR HIS
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CURRENT INNER CIRCLE. I MADE A DECISION NOT
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TO RELY ON HIS OWN VERSION
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Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
OF EVENTS BECAUSE I FOUND THEM, I FIND THEM UNTRUSTWORTHY, AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE USEFUL TO TWO BACK AND TALK TO -- GO BACK AND TALK TO PEOPLE...
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EMPLOYER IS, YOU KNOW, CLEAR CHANNEL
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Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
IS, BASICALLY, PREMIER RADIO IS HIS EMPLOYER. YOU KNOW, FOX EMPLOYS HIM ON TELEVISION, AND SIMON SIMON & SCHUSTER IS HIS PUBLISHER. SO, I MEAN, HE HAS...
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SEW ABILITY TO CAUSE CONTROVERSY IN ORDER TO FURTHER HIS CAREER. YOU POINTED OUT ONE WHERE HE, I THINK, PRETENDED TO KILL AN ANIMAL ON THE RADIO SO...
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| 00:21:42 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
LIFE WRITING THIS BOOK IS HOW MUCH ATTENTION DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GIVE NOT JUST BECK, BUT HIS ILK BECAUSE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY COST ASSOCIATED WITH...
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| 00:24:41 |
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NOT TO CALL IT -- [INAUDIBLE] THE QUESTION ISN'T EXACTLY WHETHER WE HAVE A TERM THAT WE CAN USE TO -- THE TERM WILL JUST COVER OVER WHAT WE HAVE TO...
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FROM HOWARD -- [INAUDIBLE]
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RIGHT? WHERE'S THE OPPOSITE NUMBER, AND WHAT COUNT DO YOU HAVE FOR, YES, THE TEA PARTY? >> RIGHT. WELL, I MEAN, THESE ARE BIG QUESTIONS WITHOUT SIMPLE...
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| 00:25:43 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
RIGHT NOW, AND THIS BOOK IS AN ATTEMPT TO BE ONE CONTRIBUTION TO THAT DISCUSSION. CERTAINLY, IT COUNT HAVE ANY -- DOESN'T HAVE ANY DEFINITIVE ANSWERS,...
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| 00:26:11 |
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WHEN YOU UNPACK SORT
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Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
OF THE KIND OF STUFF BECK IS SAYING AND YOU TRY TO DEAL WITH IT, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WRESTLING WITH JELL-O. T VERY HARD TO EVEN FIND AN ENTRY POINT...
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| 00:27:19 |
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SENSE OF WHAT IT'S ABOUT. IS IT BOIG GRAPHICAL IN NATURE? ARE YOU ATTACKING HIS METHODS? ARE YOU ATTACKING THE ARGUMENTS? ARE YOU ATTACKING HIS MOTE...
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COMES FROM, AND I THINK
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WITHIN THE
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| 00:27:40 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
BIOGRAPHY HIS MOTIVES BECOME APPARENT. THIS IS A GUY WHO'S BEEN EXTREMELY AMBITIOUS SINCE HE WAS VERY YOUNG. HE'S HAD THIS VISION OF MASSIVE MEDIA...
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| 00:28:55 |
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LOANS. TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK.
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| 00:28:59 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
BUT BEYOND THAT I JUST WANTED TO TRY AND EXPLAIN WHO HE WAS. AND TO GIVE PEOPLE A SENSE FOR WHO THIS GUY IS AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE WRITE...
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| 00:29:31 |
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READ YOUR BOOK PROVIDED THEY ACTUALLY READ IT? >> SOME, SURE. I MEAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS PICK OFF PEOPLE. BUT BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE TALKING TO
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| 00:29:42 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
HIS FANS -- AND I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF THEM OVER THE LAST YEAR -- I THINK A LOT OF WHAT'S GOING ON IS PRETTY SUBRATIONAL IN TERMS OF THEIR PASSION...
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| 00:30:08 |
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SAID, IT'S THE CONSTANT THROUGHOUT. AND THE ONE THAT STICKS OUT IS THE PRANK THAT HE PULLED ON HIS RADIO, THE OTHER RADIO SHOW -- [INAUDIBLE] I WAS...
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| 00:30:36 |
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SUCCESSFULLY, ARE THOSE LITTLE STORIES FROM HIS
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| 00:30:38 |
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EARLIER CAREER THAT I'M POSITIVE HE DOES NOT WANT UNEARTHED. >> YEAH. WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS RATINGS WAR BECK WAS ENGAGED IN THE MID '80s
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| 00:30:48 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
IN PHOENIX. THE GUY HE WAS COMPETING AGAINST WAS BRUCE KELLY WHO WAS BLOBBERRING HIM IN -- CLOBBERING HIM IN THE MORNING SPOT, AND BECK WAS LASHING...
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| 00:31:54 |
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IN RADIO. HE RARELY LASTED MORE THAN TWO YEARS. HE WAS CONSIDERED VERY AMBITIOUS, VERY SMART, VERY
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| 00:32:01 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
HARD WORKING, BUT HE MADE A LOT OF ENEMIES, AND HE USUALLY GOT FIRED WITHIN TWO YEARS, AND HE BOTTOMED OUT IN A MARKET THAT WAS NEAR NUMBER 100 IN THE...
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| 00:32:42 |
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NO FORMAL EDUCATION AT ALL, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. NO. WHAT YOU SEE IN GLENN BECK IS A GUY SORT OF LEARNING AS HE GOES AND TRYING TO...
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| 00:32:50 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
AT THE SAME TIME. BUT UNLIKE MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO SELF-EDUCATE THEMSELVES, HE DOESN'T READ THAT WIDELY. I MEAN, HE'S BASICALLY HIS, HIS READING...
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| 00:34:15 |
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FOLLOWING, OR IS IT MOSTLY OLDER? >> BECK'S APPEAL OVER THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER HAS ALWAYS BEEN BASED IN PART IN THE IDEA THAT HE DOES
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| 00:34:24 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
APPEAL SLIGHTLY, HE DOES SKEW A LITTLE YOUNGER. HE'S ALWAYS BEEN SEEN AS, LIKE, THE NEW GENERATION TOP 40 GUY, THE NEW GENERATION TALK SHOW HOST. ...
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| 00:35:30 |
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BUILD A BUSINESS, TO BUILD -- [INAUDIBLE] MAYBE HIS INCOME OR WEALTH? IS IT CALCULATED OR DOES HE COME FROM A SOCIAL FAMILY UPBRINGING? >> HIS POLITICAL...
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| 00:35:50 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
THERE'S NO QUESTION. HE WAS TRYING TO DO A RELATIVELY NONPOLITICAL TALK RADIO, AND IT WAS FAILING IN TAMPA, AND HIS BOSS SAID, LOOK, YOU'RE GOING TO...
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| 00:37:22 |
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ONE. I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING, ONE THING YOU ALWAYS HEAR TALKING TO BECK'S FANS IS THERE'S
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| 00:37:28 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
TWO THINGS THAT COME UP FIRST. ONE IS THEY FIND HIM GENUINELY ENTERTAINING. THEY SAY, HE'S SO ENTERTAINING, HE'S SO FUNNY. AND I SUPPOSE YOU HAVE TO...
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| 00:39:38 |
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THIS TOGETHER MY CURIOUSTY IS WHAT IS YOUR PERSONAL ANTIDOTE? AND, TWO, NOW THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR NEXT STEP? OBVIOUSLY, YOU...
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| 00:40:13 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
AND HIS ABILITY TO MANIPULATE PEOPLE'S ANXIETY IS A RESULT OF ANXIETY, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ECONOMY DOESN'T SLIDE ANY FURTHER THAN IT DOES...
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| 00:41:36 |
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I PRETTY MUCH -- [LAUGHTER] ACCUMULATED THE LARGEST
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KNOWN ARCHIVE
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| 00:41:41 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
OF HIS RADIO/TELEVISION/STAGE AND PUBLISHED OUTPUT AND PRETTY MUCH LIVED IN IT FOR ABOUT A YEAR. AND THERE WERE A COUPLE TIMES WHEN I CAME PRETTY...
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| 00:42:33 |
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DOESN'T MESS AROUND WITH FIVE YEARS. THAT'S FOR LOSERS. WELL, HE'S GOT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT FOUR
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Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
OR FIVE BOOKS PLOTTED OUT. HE'S GOT STAGE SHOWS STRETCHING FROM HERE TO THE HORIZON, YOU KNOW, HE'S TOURING A LOT LATELY. HE'S, YOU KNOW, HE'S CONSTANTLY...
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| 00:44:35 |
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MORE A SYMPTOM. SO HE MAKES FOR A FASCINATING SUBJECT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS NOT REALLY HIM OTHER THAN HE REFINES THE HOSTILITY THAT'S ALREADY...
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| 00:44:57 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
LOST TRYING TO ENTER THAT BEFORE. I WOULD ARGUE THAT BECK IS MORE OF A CAUSE THAN MOST. HE'S ABLE TO AMPLIFY AND PUSH IN A WAY THAT MOST OF HIS PEERS...
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| 00:46:11 |
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OR FOUR TIMES, AND IT'S JUST REALLY CRAZY. IT REALLY IS NUTTY. >> YEAH. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, LOWER THEMSELVES. YOU KNOW,...
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| 00:46:21 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
HISTORIANS SAY I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH DAVID BARTON, IT'S BENEATH ME. THEY'RE NOT HISTORIANS. I KNOW THAT, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. BUT, OF COURSE,...
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| 00:47:34 |
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BASED AROUND ONE PERSONALITY TO THAT, AND I GUESS MEDIA WAS NOT AS BIG BACK THEN, SO THE CULT OF PERSONALITY, PERHAPS, WASN'T AS EVIDENT. BUT THERE...
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| 00:47:56 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
REPRESENTS THE BIRCH TRADITION IN MANY WAYS, AND HE'S SORT OF LIKE HIS, YOU KNOW, HERO WHO WROTE THE 5,000-YEAR LEAP WHICH IS THE BIBLE OF THE 9-12...
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| 00:49:26 |
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BE ARRANGED. >> I'M SURE HE RECEIVED LOTS OF DEATH THREATS, AS HAVE I, I SHOULD MENTION, SINCE I STARTED WRITING ABOUT THIS. ESPECIALLY COMING
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| 00:49:34 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
FROM THE INNER MOUNTAIN BASTIONS OF IDAHO AND UTAH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH GUNS AND NOT A LOT OF CONTACT WITH CIVILIZATION. YEAH, I HAVE NO DOUBT...
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| 00:50:18 |
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40 TECHNIQUE TO TALK RADIO, AND IT'S AN INCREDIBLY -- THE WHOLE RADIO PLAYING FIELD IS ALL ABOUT STEALING IDEAS THAT WORK. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SPENT...
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| 00:50:37 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
OUT IN NEVADA, AND HE'S STARTING TO GET INTO TALK RADIO, AND HE'S INVOLVED IN LIBERTARIAN PARTY POLITICS OUT THERE, BUT ASK ME IN A COUPLE MONTHS BECAUSE...
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| 00:51:09 |
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MAKES US UNABLE TO REALLY EFFECTIVELY COMBAT PEOPLE LIKE GLENN BECK, OR ARE WE JUST INCOMPETENT? WE'RE JUST NOT BRIGHT ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY USE THE SAME...
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| 00:51:31 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE ARGUMENTS IN THE WORLD ON YOUR SIDE AND ALL THE EVIDENCE, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OFTEN VERY RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES...
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| 00:52:00 |
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A SORT OF CULTURAL RACIAL
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| 00:52:02 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
COMPONENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ON THE LEFT NECESSARILY, AND WHAT THAT MEANS WHEN THEY SAY WE WANT TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK, WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE WHITE...
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| 00:52:58 |
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BECK EASTERFYED OF TALKING TO THE --
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| 00:53:04 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
HE WROTE A BOOK CALLED "ARGUING WITH IDIOTS," SO IT'S IRONIC THAT HE'S SO AFRAID OF ACTUALLY TALKING TO THESE IDIOTS. AND FOR GOOD REASON. IT WOULDN'T...
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| 00:53:31 |
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IS IT BASICALLY, OKAY, BUT IF THE ECONOMY WERE BETTER, WE WOULDN'T REALLY BE HAVING THIS LEVEL OF HOSTILITY FROM THE GLENN BECK CROWD? >> I DON'T THINK...
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| 00:53:48 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
SOMETHING SIMILAR UNDER CLINTON WHEN THE RECOVERY HAD ALREADY GOTTEN UNDERWAY. BUT THE MILITIA MOVEMENT, I THINK IT'S NOTABLE THAT IT DID KIND OF HAMPER...
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| 00:54:27 |
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GATE KEEPERS, RIGHT? THAT IS BOTH A POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT THAT KIND OF FILTERS WHAT'S GOING TO BE ACCEPTABLE TO HAVE WIDESPREAD DISTRIBUTION, BUT...
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| 00:55:19 |
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THINK THAT THAT IS -- HOW DO YOU THINK THE CHANGING, THE CHANGING LITERACY AT LEAST IN THE UNITED STATES IS PLAYING INTO THIS? I MEAN, THERE'S A MOVIE...
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| 00:56:07 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
THE DEBATE MOST RECENTLY IN CONSERVATIVE CIRCLES ABOUT EPIDEMIC CLOSURE. PEOPLE CAN BE CONSTANTLY REINFORCED WITH, HAVE THEIR PREJUDICES AND WHAT THEY...
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| 00:58:17 |
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WHAT BUCKLEY'S GOING TO BRING EVERYWHERE, RIGHT? >> UH-HUH. >> AND SO, OKAY.
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HUH. THANK
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YOU. >> REALLY AND TRUTHFULLY, I JUST WANT TO WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DONE THE WORK,
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AND YOU DESERVE THOSE DAYS OFF. SO THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. I JUST FIGURED I'D ANSWER THAT QUESTION HONESTLY BECAUSE NO ONE EVER...
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Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
QUESTION HONESTLY. THAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT AND WHY I WOULD SPEND A YEAR DOING THIS. >> JUST A QUICK PASSING THOUGHT I HAD. >> UH-HUH. >> IT SEEMS...
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BUT
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IS PROFOUNDLY EMOTIONAL AS
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| 00:59:11 |
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A LOT OF WHAT BECK IS DRAWING ON ARE EMOTIONS OF FEAR, RACE, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. DON'T WE AS PROGRESSIVES REALIZE WE ALSO NEED TO APPEAL TO THE BETTER...
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| 00:59:46 |
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WE SORT OF BASE WHAT WE'RE DOING, FIRST,
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| 00:59:48 |
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ON CARING FOR EACH OTHER. AND MAYBE PROGRESSIVES NEED TO BUILD FROM THAT KIND OF BASE AND REALIZE WE HAVE TO ADDRESS EMOTIONS. SO I'M JUST GIVING YOU...
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| 01:00:05 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
THAT NEED FOR COMMUNITY. THE WHOLE 9/12 PROJECT WAS ENVISIONED AS A CLUB FOR CULTURALLY RELIGIOUS SUBURBANITES. YOU ARE NOT ALONE. GET TOGETHER WITH...
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BIT LOWER. >> OH, OF COURSE
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HE
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IS. I'M INTRIGUED BY THE QUESTION BACK HERE OF WHAT DO WE
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| 01:00:45 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
DO? >> UH-HUH. AND HE ALSO IS VERY GOOD
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AT MANIPULATING NOSTALGIA AS WELL. THIS VERY
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| 01:00:52 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
SORT OF SCHMALTZY NOTAL DISWRA IS PART OF HIS -- NOT SAL YA IS PART OF HIS SHTICK. HE SORT OF ASKS PEOPLE TO IMAGINE THIS EARLIER, SIMPLER TIME THAT...
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| 01:01:52 |
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CHOICE? DID YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS IN THE YOUR HEAD YOU COULD HAVE DONE? >> NO, I DIDN'T CHOOSE THIS TO PAY OFF MY LOANS, I JUST MEANT GENERALLY, WHY...
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| 01:02:03 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
KNOW. I WAS GENUINELY INTERESTED IN THE SUBJECT. I FIGURED OUT PRETTY EARLY ON THAT BECK WAS NOT JUST ANOTHER FOX HOST AFTER HIS EPISODE IN MARCH 2009,...
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| 01:03:08 |
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OWN CRITICISMS REINFORCED, THAT EVEN WITH WHEN PEOPLE WITHIN THEIR OWN GROUP, SAY AT THE MARGIN, NOT ACTUALLY THAT WAS INCORRECT. THAT DOESN'T GET THROUGH....
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| 01:04:23 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
WHOLE THING'S BASED ON LIES, AND THEN YOU QUIETLY ANNOUNCE YOU'VE MADE A MISTAKE, BUT PEOPLE AT THAT POINT ARE ALREADY SO WHIPPED UP, THAT'S NOT REALLY...
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COULD HAVE, DID YOU THINK OF WHAT YOU
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WOULD SAY? >> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT SICK, TWISTED
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FREAK: THE GLENN BECK STORY. THAT'S WHAT HE SAYS AT THE BEGINNING
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| 01:05:13 |
Zaitchik, Alexander "Alex" - Author
OF EVERY STORY. IT'S A RIPOFF OF BOB GRANT WHO WAS A HATE TALK JOCK FOR MANY BE YEARS. HAS THAT EXHAUSTED EVERYONE'S TOLERANCE FOR GLENN BECK TALK?...
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IS A CONTRIBUTING WRITER AT ALTER NET.ORG. FOR
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MORE INFORMATION VISIT ZAITCHIK.COM. >> THE OSPREY OVER THE YEARS HAS COME AS CLOSE TO BEING A RELIGIOUS ISSUE AS ANY DEFENSE ISSUE EVER IS. >> THIS...
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