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ABOUT HENRY CLAY, A SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, SENATOR, AND SECRETARY OF STATE WHO MADE MANY RUNS FOR THE U.S. PRESIDENCY IN THE EARLY 19TH CENTURY. >>...
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LEGISLATURE IN OUR HISTORY. HE IS BEST REMEMBERED
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FOR RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY AND FAILING FIVE TIMES, BUT HIS LEGISLATION MADE A DIFFERENCE FOR THE NATION. >> HOW MANY YEARS WAS THE END THE HOUSE...
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OF REPRESENTATIVES? >> HE WAS IN A
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FROM MADISON'S ADMINISTRATION THROUGHOUT
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MONROE'S. THERE WAS A BRIEF INTERRUPTION WHEN HE NEGOTIATED THE TREATY OF PEACE WITH BRITAIN AFTER THE WAR OF 1812. HE RETURNED AND WAS IMMEDIATELY REELECTED....
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BY THAT POINT IN HER LIFE, SHE WAS VERY SAD. SHE HAD LOST ALL OF HER
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DAUGHTERS, ALL SIX OF HER DAUGHTERS AT THAT POINT, AND NEVER REALLY RECOVERED. HER OLDEST SON WAS IN AN INSANE ASYLUM WHERE HE WOULD DIE AFTER HER DEATH....
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WHY IS THAT? >> ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY WAS NOT INVENTED, AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE PRETTY STILL.
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THEY DID NOT LIKE A LOT OF EMOTION. THEY WOULD ACTUALLY USE OF BRACES TO FREEZE PEOPLE INTO POSITION. THEY DID NOT LIKE A LOT OF FACIAL EXPRESSION BECAUSE...
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TEENS, AFTER WORDS -- AFTER WHICH HE WAS APPRENTICED IN RICHMOND. HE TRAVELED TO KENTUCKY WITH HIS FAMILY. THEY HAD MOVED THERE WHILE HE WAS IN RICHMOND....
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FROM -- ASHLAND COME FROM? >> FROM THE TREES OF THE WORK ON THE PROPERTY. >> IF YOU WERE TO DESCRIBE HIM PHYSICALLY -- HE LOOKED THIN IN ALL OF
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HIS PICTURES. >> HE WAS A VERY TALL MAN.
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HE RESEMBLED IN POSTURE AND BUILD ANDREW JACKSON IN THAT REGARD.
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HE WAS NOT HANDSOME BY ANYONE'S ESTIMATION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HE HAD AN ANIMATED WAY OF SPEAKING THAT WAS CHARISMATIC, DREW PEOPLE TO HIM. MANY PEOPLE...
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FOUR MONTHS SHY OF HIS 30TH BIRTHDAY.
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THEY CHOSE TO IGNORE THE LAW THAT YOU HAD TO BE 30 YEARS OLD. THERE WERE COMMENTS AND LETTERS FROM SOME OF HIS FELLOW SENATORS THAT THEY THOUGHT HE...
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OF THE ARROWS IN HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES QUIVER. >> HE WAS JUST IN THE SENATE FOR A VERY SHORT TIME IN THE THE FIRST TIME, WENT FROM NOVEMBER
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THROUGH MARCH, AND THEN FROM JANUARY THROUGH MARCH OF 1811. THEN HE BECAME A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE AND GOT ELECTED SPEAKER. >> HE WAS SPEAKER VIRTUALLY...
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I THINK HE SURRENDERED THAT POST WHEN HE BRIEFLY -- >> WHEN HE LEFT BRIEFLY IN 1820 TO DEAL WITH A FINANCIAL SITUATION. HE BECAME A LAWYER AGAIN. >>
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CLAY BECAME SPEAKER BY VIRTUE OF EVENTS THAT WERE OVERTAKING THE COUNTRY, AND THE NATURE OF
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THE INCUMMENCY IN THAT TIME, WHICH WAS THAT THERE WAS NOT ANY. THE TURNOVER IN THE HOUSE WAS QUITE REMARKABLE. PEOPLE WERE CONSTANTLY LEAVING THE HOUSE....
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JOHN C. CALHOUN IS PROBABLY THE MOST RECOGNIZABLE FIGURE OF THAT TIME.
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JOHN ANDREWS OF VIRGINIA, NOT AS WELL KNOWN TODAY, BUT PROBABLY THE MOST FAMOUS PERSON IN THE HOUSE. HE WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WAS QUITE DISTURBED...
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MARSHALL? WHO WAS HE? AND JOHN RANDOLPH LOOKS LIKE HE HAS CHARACTER. >> VERY MUCH SO. >> EXPLAIN THE DUAL THING. >> IT
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WAS USUALLY AN
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ISSUE OF HONOR. REPUTATION WOULD BE THE MODERN EQUIVALENT. IF YOU ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE CONSULTED
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AND DID NOT DEFEND YOURSELF, THEN YOU WOULD BE PUSHED AROUND FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. CLAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE SAID HE WAS AGAINST, IS THAT...
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CLOTHES, ODDLY ENOUGH. THERE WAS A HOMESPUN RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED IN THE KENTUCKY LEGISLATURE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A COMMERCIAL RESTRICTION AGAINST...
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HE TOOK A BEATING, BUT
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IT WAS NOT SERIOUS. >>
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HOW MANY YEARS LATER WAS THE DUEL WITH JOHN RANDOLPH? >>
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ALMOST 20. >> WHAT WAS THAT OVER? >>
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RANDOLPH, IN THE UNITED
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STATES SENATE, REFERRED TO THE SO-CALLED CORRUPT BARGAIN IN WHICH
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CLAY HAD THROWN HIS SUPPORT TO ADAMS IN THE ELECTION OF 1824, AND ADAMS HAD BEEN APPOINTED CLAY SECRETARY OF STATE. THE JACKSON PEOPLE ACCUSED BOTH OF...
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EXCHANGED, NO ONE WAS HIT -- THE FIRST
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FIRE THAT WAS EXCHANGED, AND NO ONE WAS HIT. THEY ASKED FOR A SECOND ROUND. CLAY CAME TO VERY CAREFULLY AND HIT RANDOLPH IN. RANDOLPH THEN AIMED HIS...
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LOT OF PAPERS WENT MISSING, WHETHER THEY WERE DESTROYED AFTER HIS DEATH. HE WAS A FASCINATING PERSON. NOT AS
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INFLUENTIAL AS SOME OF THE MORE FAMOUS PEOPLE. HE WAS VERY ECCENTRIC. SOME WOULD ALMOST SAY INSANE. >> FROM WHERE? >> GOUNOD'S. -- WHO
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KNOWS. HE DRANK EXCESSIVELY. >> I MEAN, WAS HE ONE OF THE RANDOLPH OF VIRGINIA? >> PAUL,
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YES. -- OH,
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YES. >> THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM, PHYSICALLY. THERE IS A LOT OF SPECULATION.
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THERE WAS AN AUTOPSY ON HIM AFTER HE DIED. WELL OBVIOUSLY AFTER HE DIED. THEY WOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT BEFORE HAND. EVEN RANDOLPH WOULD HAVE OPPOSED THAT....
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BARGAIN. HENRY CLAY RAN FOR PRESIDENCY FIVE TIMES. GO BACK TO THE CORRUPT BARGAIN AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS SECRETARY OF STATE FOR HOW MANY YEARS, AND...
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ONE-TERM PRESIDENT LIKE HIS FATHER. THE CORRUPT BARGAIN PERRAULT'S OUT OF THE FACT THAT IN THE ELECTION OF 1824 -- THE CORRUPT BARGAIN A ROSE OUT OF...
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IS FROM THE WAR OF 1812. IT IS AN INTERESTING
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ARRANGEMENT, BECAUSE IT ESTABLISHES STATUS QUO ANTEBELLUM. IT MEANT THAT EVERYTHING WAS AS IT WAS BEFORE THE WAR. NO TERRITORY EXCHANGED HANDS. THEREIN...
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HE WAS APPOINTED BY MADISON. WITH HIM WAS
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JOHN QUINCY ADAMS, WHO WAS MINISTER TO RUSSIA AT THE TIME, THE TREASURY OF THE SECRETARY WAS ALSO SENT, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DELAWARE. THOSE WERE THE...
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HE WAS ELECTED TO THE HOUSE OF
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REPRESENTATIVES WHILE HE WAS STILL UNDER HIS DIPLOMATIC COMMISSION.
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HIS OPPONENTS MADE SOMETHING OF AN ISSUE OF THAT, AS THOUGH THEY HELD ANOTHER ELECTION AND HE WON OVERWHELMING AGAIN. >> THIS WAS ALL FROM LEXINGTON,...
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YOU MENTIONED HIS WIFE. THIS IS A BOOK THAT HAS HEARD THROUGHOUT THE BOOK, AND THAT IS NOT OFTEN THE CASE. HOW OFTEN DID SHE COME TO WASHINGTON? >> AT...
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WAS IN THAT THE SENATE, SHE CAME WITH HIM. SHE WAS IN WASHINGTON WHEN HE RECEIVED THE APPOINTMENT TO GO TO GHENT. HER BROTHER IN LOT ESCORTED HER AND...
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THE TWO OLDEST OF THE DAUGHTERS LIVED TO ADULTHOOD
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AND MARRIED AND HAD CHILDREN OF THEIR OWN. SUSAN DIED, LIKELY, SHE WAS IN NEW ORLEANS. THAT IS WHERE HER HUSBAND LIVED. SHE LIKELY DIED OF YELLOW FEVER...
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HE HAD AN ACCIDENT WHEN HE WAS A
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KID AND HAD TO BEAT JAPAN -- BE JAPANED, WHICH MEANT THAT THE BROTHER WOULD OPEN THE SKULL AND RELEASED FLUID. HE TOOK A BLOW TO THE HEAD. IT WAS A PRETTY...
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CLAY
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WAS 75-YEARS OLD WHEN HE DIED. BUT BEFORE WE DO MORE ON HENRY CLAY, HOW ABOUT YOU TO
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GIVE? HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN MARRIED? >> 29. >> WHERE THEY LIVE? >> COLORADO SPRINGS. >> WHAT DO DO? >>
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I TEACH AT THE
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AIR FORCE ACADEMY. I AM A PROFESSOR
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OF
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HISTORY. FIRST
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PERMANENT CIVILIAN IN THE HISTORY DEPARTMENT. PN 1993, CONGRESS MANDATED THAT THE MILITARY ACADEMIES, PARTICULARLY WEST POINT AND THE AIR FORCE ACADEMY...
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THEY ARE VERY SMALL. THAT IS ONE OF THE
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THINGS THAT ATTRACTED ME. I HAVE NOT TAUGHT A CLASS
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WITH OVER
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20 PEOPLE FOR YEARS. IT USUALLY IS BETWEEN 10 AND 15. >> WHAT IS THE NUMBER NOW MEN AND WOMEN? >> WOMEN, THE NUMBERS HAVE INCREASED. I BELIEVE IS OVER...
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WHEN I STARTED, IT WAS BETWEEN
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10% AND 15%. >> WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION? >> I AM A HISTORIAN TOO. AN ACADEMIC. I TAUGHT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS
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IN
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MARYLAND, AND THEN FOLLOWED HER TO COLORADO AND TAUGHT AT THE COLORADO STATE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM UNTIL THE LATE 1990'S. WE WERE WORKING ON A LARGE PROJECT...
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OR 12. >>
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IN ADDITION TO THE
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ENCYCLOPEDIA, WHAT ELSE? WHAT WE HAVE ALSO WRITTEN ABOUT THE WAR OF 1812. WE GOT TO
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KNOW ABOUT MR. CLAY A GREAT DEAL DURING THAT PROJECT. WE READ ABOUT ANDREW JACKSON. OUR FIRST BOOK TOGETHER DEALS WITH JACKSON'S INVASION OF FLORIDA...
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STARTED THE DIVISION BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM. TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT. >> WELL, IT WAS AS A RESULT OF THAT INVASION. HE MADE A SPEECH IN JANUARY OF
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1819, DEFYING -- DECRYING THE JACKSON POSE THOSE ACTIONS AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL -- JACKSON'S ACTIONS AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. FROM THE VERY MOMENT HE BECAME...
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| 00:27:47 |
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THE PLACE WAS PACKED. >> WHY? >>
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AS WE SAY, WHEN WE ASSESS HIS LEGISLATIVE CAREER, IS SEEING HENRY CLAY RISE FROM HIS DESK
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| 00:28:02 |
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WAS LIKE SEEING A CURTAIN GO UP ON THE GREAT THEATER PRODUCTION. HE HAD ALL OF THE PROPS. HE HAD A GREAT VOICE. HE HAD A NATIONAL -- HE HAD BEEN NATURAL...
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BECAUSE CONGRESS HAD NOT AUTHORIZED
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THIS MILITARY GOING INTO, NOT JUST FOREIGN TERRITORY, BUT JACKSON CLEARLY VIOLATED HIS ORDERS. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GO DOWN THERE AND CHASTISED SOME ANALYSTS...
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DOES IT READ WELL? >>
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YES,
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HIS SPEECH IS ALL VERY LITERATE. WE SHOULD NOTE THAT THERE IS SOME AMOUNT OF EDITING THAT WENT ON.
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| 00:29:55 |
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THESE GUYS WERE ABLE TO GO BACK AND TWEAKED THINGS TO MAKE THEM OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE MORE POLISHED THAN THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE ON THE FLOOR. THIS IS...
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| 00:30:56 |
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BACK TO THE TWO OF YOU. WHERE DID YOU MEET? >>
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WE MET IN GRADUATE SCHOOL. IN OUR FIRST
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CLASS TOGETHER, WE DID NOT NECESSARILY HEADED OFF
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RIGHT AWAY. WE BEGAN SEEING EACH OTHER WHEN WE WERE TAKING A GRADUATE SEMINAR ON THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR. I TELL PEOPLE THAT AND THEY SAY IT IS ROMANTIC....
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WE HAD THE WHOLE FUTURE AHEAD OF US.
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I REMEMBER SITTING IN THE LIBRARY, AND SHE WAS WORKING THERE, AND I WENT TO THE TABLE WHERE SHE WAS AND SAT DOWN ACROSS FROM HER. THIS WAS SORT OF A DORKY...
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THAT I ASKED HER OUT AFTER THAT. >>
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| 00:32:10 |
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YOU GOT ALL OF YOUR EDUCATION AT AUBURN? INCLUDING YOUR PH.D.? WHAT WAS YOUR PH.D.? >>
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HISTORY. >> I WENT TO ATLANTA FOR MY
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BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND WENT TO AUBURN FORT GRADUATE SCHOOL. >>
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DID YOU BOTH GO TO CELLS RESTATE TO TEACH? >> YES. -- TO
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SALISBURY STATE TO TEACH? >> YES. >> HOW DO YOU DIVIDE SOMETHING LIKE A BOOK? >>
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WE WORK SOLELY, EXCLUSIVELY.
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WE ARE SOLITARY, AS ALL WRITING IS. IT
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| 00:33:00 |
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IS NOT A COFFMAN HART COLLABORATION WITH SOMEBODY WALKING AROUND THE ROOM WAXING WISE TO A STENOGRAPHER. WEEDO NOT WORK ON THE SAME CHAPTERS THAT --...
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SHE ROAD FROM THE FRONT AND I WROTE FROM THE BACK --
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SHE WROTE
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FROM THE FRONT, AND I WROTE FROM THE BACK. WE HAD TO REALLY TREAT SOME THINGS AT THE END. >> I WAS REMINDED AT THE CLOSING OF THIS PROCESS
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| 00:34:01 |
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ABOUT A REMARK BY MARK TWAIN. HE SAID IT WAS AS THE TWO MINERS HAD BEEN TUNNELING THROUGH THE MOUNTAINS FROM OPPOSITE ENDS, AND WHEN THEY REACHED THE...
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MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT. WE ACTUALLY WANTED TO WRITE A BOOK ON THE ELECTION
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OF 1824. WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE A PROPOSAL OUT THROUGH OUR AGENT, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID, WELL, THAT IS KIND OF NARROW. IT IS A VERY PIVOTAL ELECTION....
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MARCH OF 2009. >>
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WHO GOT TO THE MIDDLE FIRST? >> I DID. >> SHE IS THE ONE WITH THE FULL- TIME JOB. >>
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I FALL
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INTO THE TRAP OF PERFECTION IS THE ENEMY OF GOOD. I TINKER. >> WHAT
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DID YOU EACH PINT ALONG THE WAY THAT YOU DID NOT KNOW ABOUT HENRY CLAY -- EACH FIND ALONG
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THE WAY THAT YOU DID NOT KNOW ABOUT HENRY CLAY? >> HIS FAMILY LIFE. YOU NEVER READ ABOUT HIS FAMILY LIFE. WE ARE POLITICAL
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HISTORIANS, BUT WE DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIS FAMILY LIFE. EVEN OTHER BIOGRAPHERS DID NOT WRITE A GREAT DEAL ABOUT HIS FAMILY. >> HOW DID YOU FIND...
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AND OTHERS. >> YOU SAID THERE IS ONLY ONE
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LETTER LEFT FROM HIS WIFE? >> THEY HAD A VERY
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WARM RELATIONSHIP. THE CHILDREN'S LETTERS TO HER AND ABOUT HER ARE VERY ILLUMINATING.
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THE FAMILY CORRESPONDENCE IS SOMETHING NO ONE HAD EVER BOTHERED TO DIP INTO. WE FINALLY HAD TO CALL IT QUITS. THERE ARE SO MANY WE WOULD LIKE TO GET...
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PHYSICALLY, TO KENTUCKY. >>
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YES. WE FOUND A SURVIVING
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LETTER FROM CLAY'S
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MOTHER TO HIM. IT WAS NOT TOO LONG BEFORE SHE DIED IN 1820. HER HANDWRITING WAS VERY SIMILAR TO HIS. THAT WAS A CLUE THAT SHE WAS PROBABLY RESPONSIBLE...
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SHE HAD FOUR CHILDREN WHO SURVIVED TO ADULTHOOD, ONE OF THEM A DAUGHTER. THAT DAUGHTER DIED VERY YOUNG. SHE WAS IN HER 20S. THEN SHE HAD THREE OTHER...
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CLAY'S PERSONALITY, FEATURES OF IT THAT HAD BEEN MISSING. THERE WAS AN IDEA THAT CLAY WAS AN ALOOF FIGURE. WE FOUND HIM TO BE AN EXTREMELY WARM PERSON,...
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HE WAS A FUN MAN AT A PARTY. >> WHAT
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WOULD YOU GET IF YOU HAD ANDREW JACKSON AT YOUR TABLE? >> BAYH COURTLY, WITHDRAWN AND
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POSSIBLY SOUR PERSON. VERY POLITE. CHIVALROUS WITH WOMEN.
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ANYONE WHO EVER MET HIM -- ACTUALLY, CLAY RATHER LIKED HIM UNTIL HE BECAME PRODIGIOUS. AFTER THAT SPEECH, CLAY ACTUALLY CALLED ON JACKSON TO SHOWED THAT...
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WASN'T THERE A MESSAGE THERE FOR A WHILE? DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHY HE DID NOT GIVE IT UP? HE HAD BEEN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. HE HAD BEEN IN THE UNITED...
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ELECTION. >> THAT WAS THE POLKA ELECTION? >> YES. NEW YORK STATE
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HAD A
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| 00:42:28 |
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GREAT DEAL OF ELECTION FRAUD IN THAT ELECTION. NEWLY ARRIVED IMMIGRANTS DEVOTED AS WELL AS A LARGE NUMBER OF DECEASED PEOPLE. IF HE HAD TAKEN IN NEW...
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HE WAS IN THE HOUSE FOUR TIMES, THE SENATE FOUR TIMES. THE ONE THING I KEPT READING WAS THAT HE WOULD BE A FRIEND OF SOMEBODY, AND THEN OVER JACKSON...
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STOP RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, WAS ESSENTIALLY THE ONE THAT HIS FRIEND FINALLY ASKED. HE WAS A KENTUCKY AND, A PROTEGEE OF CLAY'S. HE TOOK CLAY'S PLACE...
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THAT THEY RECONCILED LARGELY DERIVES
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FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS WITH THEM IN WASHINGTON AT THE NATIONAL HOTEL. HE HAD BEEN SUMMONED TO BRING CLAY HOME, BECAUSE HE WAS DYING, AND THEY KNEW IT. BUT...
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| 00:48:40 |
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IN THERE THAT THE UNITED STATES SENATE AT THE END
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OF THE 1950'S APPOINTED A COMMITTEE TO AT RANK SENATORS -- TWO RANK SENATORS. THEY RANKED PLAY AS THE -- THEY RANKED CLAY AS THE NUMBER ONE SENATOR...
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RETIRED IN 1842. HE WAS THERE ABOUT 10 YEARS. HE RETIRED DURING THE THEILER
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ADMINISTRATION -- THE TYLER ADMINISTRATION, PARTLY BECAUSE HE COULD NOT GET ANYTHING DONE, BUT ALSO TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. >> WHAT WERE HIS BIGGEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS?...
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HE WENT BACK TO THE SENATE AT THE END
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OF 1849 AND WAS THE ARCHITECT OF THE COMPROMISE OF 1850. >> WHAT WAS MORE POWERFUL BACK THEN, THE PRESIDENCY OR THE CONGRESS? >> CONGRESS. >> WHY HAS...
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ALL CHANGED? >> ANDREW JACKSON WAS THE
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EXCEPTION TO THE
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RULE OF EXECUTIVE PASSIVITY, WHICH WAS THE IDEAL.
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| 00:50:09 |
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THE PRESIDENT DID NOT WANT TO BE REGARDED AS TOO MONARCHICAL. CONGRESS WAS THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE. HENRY CLAY BELIEVED THAT. SO DID MOST PRESIDENT'S...
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| 00:51:41 |
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WELL, WE ARE STARTING RIGHT NOW A BOOK ON THE WASHINGTON ADMINISTRATION, THE PRESIDENCY OF GEORGE WASHINGTON. IT IS
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A MUCH NARROWER FOCUS, BUT PERHAPS ONE OF THE MOST IN CALENDULA -- MOST INFLUENTIAL EIGHT YEARS IN THE HISTORY OF OUR PRESIDENTS. I HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY,...
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| 00:52:30 |
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NOT BEEN A LOT SINCE THEN. WHY NOT? WHEN YOU GO DOWN THE LIST OF EVERYTHING HE DID, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, A ELECTED TO THE SENATE FOUR TIMES, RAN FOR...
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| 00:52:57 |
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GONE IN MORE FOR THE GLAMOUR OF THE PRESIDENCY, WHICH IS ANOTHER CONSEQUENCE OF THE GROWTH OF PRESIDENTIAL PRESTIGE. PRESIDENTS WERE IN MANY WAYS GLORIFIED...
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IS A THREAT IN YOUR BOOK. IT SEEMS LIKE, MORE THAN I HAVE READ BEFORE. THE WAS SICK, AND WHAT WERE THEY SICK WITH? >> HENRY CLAY WAS NEVER HEALTHY, EVEN...
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THE DIGESTIVE PROBLEMS. HIS WIFE TENDED TO BE HEALTHIER, ALTHOUGH SHE WENT THROUGH SOME BAD HEALTH PROBLEMS AS WELL, AND OF COURSE, THEIR CHILDREN. AGAIN,...
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PROBLEM. HE ALWAYS HAD A VERY BAD COLD OR BRONCHITIS.
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HE CONTRACTED TUBERCULOSIS WHICH ULTIMATELY KILLED HIM. PERHAPS BECAUSE OF HIS RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS HE WAS MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THAT. IT WAS A DISEASE...
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AND THE SIX WHITE HORSES PULLED THE CAR. >> WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IN THE PROLOGUE, BECAUSE HENRY CLAY HAD RETREATTD INTO THE SHADOWS OF AMERICAN MEMORY...
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MUCH, IS WE WANTED TO SHOW IN THE PROLOGUE HOW IMPORTANT HE WAS. WE WANTED TO SHOW, RATHER THAN TO JUST SAY HE WAS IMPORTANT. WE THOUGHT THE BEST WAY...
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ON THE ISSUE OF SLAVERY WAS ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS FOR US TO COME TO GRIPS
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WITH. HE WAS OPPOSED TO SLAVERY AND YET HE OWNED SLAVES. HE NEVER, UNTIL HIS DEATH, TOOK THAT FINAL STEP TO BE AN EXAMPLE TO OTHERS. >> WHAT DID YOU LIKE...
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TO 11 ISSUES WITH
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HUMOR -- TO LEAVEN ISSUES WITH HUMOR. THERE IS A LOT OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN FORESHADOWED IN HENRY CLAY'S SPEECHES, IN THE WAY HE USED WORDS. HE HAD THE...
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