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ALL OF US WELCOME YOU TO TODAY'S PANEL DISCUSSION ENTITLED NON PROFITS DIVIDED OVER CITIZENS UNITED. AND A SPECIAL WELCOME TO OUR AUDIENCE VIEWING...
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| 00:03:11 |
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AND EVERYONE HERE FOR HOSTING THIS PANEL AND ALLOWING US TO PARTICIPATE. MY NAME IS ABBEY LEVINE. ALLIANCE FOR JUSTICE IS A NATIONAL NATIONAL ASSOCIATION...
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| 00:13:09 |
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AND KRISTEN THE
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| 00:13:11 |
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HUDSON INSTITUTE FOR HOSTING THIS IMPORTANT PANEL. AND I WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK THESE DISCUSSIONS PERFORM AN IN VALUABLE SERVICE. SO I THANK YOU...
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| 00:31:06 |
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STILL THE STRONG NATION. HAPPY BIRTHDAY LARRY'S MOM AND I HAVE TO SAY, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO RECONSIDER MY STEREOTYPE OF CLIPPY. I FOUND A GREAT DEAL...
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| 00:37:17 |
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THE BILL, BECAUSE THE LAST TIME I LOOKED THE ONLY THING
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| 00:37:20 |
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THAT WAS AVAILABLE WAS A FACT SHEET. BUT I READ THE FACT SHEET. AND I FIND IT TO BE SORT OF AN ATTEMPT TO TURN BACK TIME BY PUTTING THE GENIE BACK...
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| 00:42:07 |
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CLITA MITCHELL I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I PRACTICE IN THE AREA OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE AND ELECTION LAW AND I OFTEN TELL PEOPLE I'M THE LAWYER TO THE VAST...
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| 00:55:31 |
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APPLAUSE. I'M BOB EDGAR. I'M PRESIDENT OF COMMON CAUSE. I WAS A UNITED METHODIST CLERGY PERSON FOR 12 YEARS, A CONGRESSMAN FOR 12 YEARS. I RAN THE...
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| 01:06:06 |
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IS GOING TO BE LEAVING US AT 1:30. SHE HAS TO GET UP TO GEORGE MASON TO TEACH A CLASS. SO AND SHE'LL YIELD THE BALANCE OF HER TIME TO CLETA. BUT TERRI....
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| 01:06:28 |
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ADVOCATE. THE CAPITAL RESEARCH CENTER IS A BIG
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| 01:06:30 |
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ADVOCATE FOR UNLEASHING NON-PROFITS AS ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT TAKE GOVERNMENT MONEY. >> I WANTED TO MAKE ONE COMMENT IF I COULD. THEN I WANTED...
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| 01:06:44 |
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FIRST OF ALL, ALLIANCE FOR JUSTICE. I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY'RE AFRAID OF LOBBYING, THOSE OF US MY AGE AND OLDER WERE AROUND IN THE '80s WHEN NAN AARON,...
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| 01:07:03 |
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TO --
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| 01:07:04 |
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DISCUSS ME, TRYING TO DO IN
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| 01:07:06 |
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JUDGE BORK DURING HIS CONFIRMATION HEARING. YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT YOUR HISTORY THERE. MR. EDGAR, I DO HAVE TO COMMENT ABOUT YOUR FOUR 0 ONE RATIO ON...
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| 01:08:05 |
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NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY TO CANDIDATES. THE BAN ON CORPORATE CONTRIBUTIONS TO CANDIDATES STILL IS IN PLACE. WHAT THE COURT DECISION DEALT WITH STRICTLY...
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| 01:09:23 |
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LOBBYISTS. THE PROBLEM IS THE TOXIC COCKTAIL BETWEEN LOBBYISTS AND MONEY AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S PUT IN TO LOBBYING AND TO POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES....
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| 01:11:23 |
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FOR JUSTICE FEEL VERY STRONGLY IN ADVOCACY, VERY STRONGLY IN LOBBYING. NAN AARON IS STILL OUR CURRENT PRESIDENT AND WE WILL BE LOBBYING WITH NEW JUDICIAL...
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| 01:12:29 |
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RIGHT? THAT THIS DECISION PROBABLY SHOULD BE EXTENDED TLUP, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO GET INTO TAX LAW IN ORDER TO DO THIS, BUT AND CERTAINLY...
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| 01:13:06 |
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MORE LOBBYING. WE'VE BEEN PART OF THE EFFORTS TO SIMPLIFY THE LOBBYING REGIME AND CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT. THE NOTION OF WHETHER IT GOES INTO ALLOWING...
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| 01:14:09 |
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AMENDMENT THAT 01 C 4, GRASSROOTS GROUP, 501 C 5 UNIONS, 6 TRADE ASSOCIATIONS AND THE WHOLE PANOPLY WITH VETERANS ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE...
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| 01:15:22 |
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SIMPLE. AND THAT IS, YOU
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| 01:15:25 |
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KNOW, WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE TAX LAWS THAT SEEMS TO TRUMP THE FIRST AMENDMENT FOR 501 C 3? MAYBE YOU CAN POINT TO A DECISION OR A DOCTRINE BECAUSE...
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| 01:17:21 |
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JUST HAVE A $100
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| 01:17:23 |
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LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT THAT ANYBODY CAN CONTRIBUTE? >> LET ME TACK ON TO THAT JUST THIS QUESTION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE IN A POPULIST MOOD IN THIS COUNTRY...
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| 01:17:34 |
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YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION, HOW DO YOU THINK IN FACT, THIS THE DECISION -- YOU KNOW, PLAYS INTO THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? ONE COULD SAY IT'S GOING...
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| 01:18:10 |
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OTHER WAY AROUND, I THINK A LOT OF THAT DEPENDS ON YOU KNOW WHAT THE -- YOU KNOW, THE LEGEND OR MYTH OF CITIZENS UNITED TURNS OUT TO BE IN THE POPULAR...
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| 01:19:29 |
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IT'S FOCUSED ON AS MUCH POLITICALLY ON ONE PARTY OR THE OTHER. I THINK THAT'S REFLECTED IN ACTUALLY THE OBSERVATIONS OF DAVID BROOKS THAT NO ONE...
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| 01:23:27 |
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ON TWO FRONTS. ONE, THERE'S THE OUTCOME OF THE DECISION, THE CONTENT OF THE DECISION ABOUT WHETHER CORPORATIONS ARE GOING TO OUTSPEND INTERESTS AND...
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| 01:24:25 |
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IN THE DECISION IS THAT THERE ARE SOMETHING LIKE FIRST, RECORRECTLY, 11 MILLION CORPORATIONS IN AMERICA TODAY. AND 90% ROUGHLY 90% OF THEM HAVE ANNUAL...
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| 01:26:00 |
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OVER. >> I'LL SPEAK LOUDLY. >> WE NEED IT ACTUALLY
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| 01:26:02 |
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FOR THE
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| 01:26:03 |
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RECORDING. THIS IS ROB STEIN FOUNDERS OF
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| 01:26:07 |
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THE DEMOCRACY --
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| 01:26:08 |
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BROUGHT A LITTLE MONEY INTO THE POLITICAL PROCESS AS I UNDERSTAND IT. >> SO THERE'S A SHORT ANSWER QUESTION. >> OKAY. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET A SENSE...
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| 01:26:18 |
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EVERYBODY'S SENSE OF
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| 01:26:20 |
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DIRECTION HERE. IT SOUNDS TO
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| 01:26:22 |
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ME THAT YOU ALL EITHER BRIE BEGRUDGINGLY OR ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORT CORPORATIONS BEING ABLE TO SPEND MORE MONEY REGARDLESS OF WHAT KIND OF CORPORATION...
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| 01:27:30 |
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ARE LARGELY
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| 01:27:31 |
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ABOUT NON-PROFITS, NOT ABOUT
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| 01:27:33 |
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POLITICAL PARTIES OR CANDIDATES. THE NOTION THAT I'VE HEARD MIGHT BE SUGGESTED AS A RESPONSE TO CITIZENS UNITED WOULD BE TO LIFT THE COORDINATED EXPENDITURE...
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| 01:28:27 |
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CAN RAISE AND LIMIT HOW MUCH CANDIDATES AND PARTIES CAN SPEND? >> NO, NO. NOT SPEND. THERE ARE NO LIMITS ON EXPENDITURES IN MY WORLD. >> CAN RAISE....
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| 01:28:43 |
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GROSS AMOUNT THEY CAN RAISE. THEY
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| 01:28:47 |
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| 01:28:48 |
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REMAIN IN THE LAW LIMITS ON THAT INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTION. I THINK THOSE LIMITS ARE FOR TOO LOW. THIS IS GETTINGING INTO MORE SORT OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE...
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| 01:30:09 |
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OKAY.
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| 01:30:11 |
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NOW WE -- OTHER ANSWERS
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| 01:30:14 |
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TO THIS QUESTION? >>
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| 01:30:16 |
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I THINK ONE OF THE REAL PROBLEMS IS THAT THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS REALLY ARE DESIGNED TO SEND THE MONEY OUTSIDE
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| 01:30:23 |
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THE PARTY AND CANDIDATE STRUCTURE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S HEALTHY. IF YOU ARE A WEALTHY PERSON AND YOU WANT TO MAX OUT TO THE -- TO AS MANY SAY YOU'RE...
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| 01:32:38 |
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TERMS OF PARTISAN POLITICAL ACTIVITY. AND
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| 01:32:42 |
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SO IN THAT REGARD, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING, I WAS TALKING AT LEAST AS A FIRST STEP WE SHOULD AT LEAST KNOW WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO IN TERMS OF...
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| 01:34:01 |
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CERTAINLY NOT SAYING THAT THE LIMITS
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| 01:34:03 |
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SHOULD BE -- THAT I WAS AGREEING WITH THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION OR THE LIMITS SHOULD BE TAKEN OFF. IT'S OF CORPORATION BUZZ THAT WE CERTAINLY...
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| 01:35:11 |
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SHOULD GO TO THE BACK
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| 01:35:14 |
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HERE. YES. HE'S RIGHT
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| 01:35:16 |
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THERE. RIGHT. GREAT. >>. >> DORL THINK WISE WITH THE CENTER FOR SOCIAL LAW POLICY. AND AS THE
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| 01:35:28 |
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DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AFTER ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION, I
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| 01:35:30 |
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WANT TO GO BACK TO THE QUESTION OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TAX LAWS AND THE CAMPAIGN LAWS, AND THE ISSUE OF A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD IS -- AND I'M...
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| 01:36:06 |
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ELECTION EARRING
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| 01:36:07 |
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IN A SENSE. SO DOESN'T THAT MURT GIVE THE KINDS OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT CORPORATIONS FUND VERSUS THE KIND OF ORKIZATIONS THAT FOUNDATIONS FUND AN EVEN...
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| 01:36:32 |
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THAT -- DEFINITELY ABOUT LEGAL DEFINITION
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| 01:36:35 |
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OF ISSUE ADVOCACY. NOT EVEN IN ELECTIONS. NOT NECESSARILY AN ISSUE THAT IS ON A BALLOT AS A BALLOT ISSUE. I'M TALKING ABOUT GENERAL POLICY ADVOCACY,...
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| 01:36:59 |
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WHOLE SEPARATE CONVERSATION. BUT 501 C 3s CAN LOBBY, THEY CAN ENGAGE IN NONLOBBYING ISSUE ADVOCACY AND THEY NEED TO DO MORE OF THAT. I THINK AS WE GET...
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| 01:37:33 |
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YOU KNOW, AGAIN THE QUELL IS, THAT STILL IS CONFINING FOR C 3s. AND SO IF YOU KNOWLESS WE WILL CHANGE THE TAX LAWS, I'M JUST WONDERING IF -- I MEAN...
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| 01:38:02 |
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GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION EARLIER THAT I DON'T THINK
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| 01:38:04 |
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WE ADDRESSED, THE SUPREME COURT BACK
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| 01:38:07 |
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IN THE EARLY -- I DON'T KNOW WHEN IN A CASE REGAN VERSUS TAXATION WITH REPRESENTATION SAID THAT 501 C 3s COULD BE LIMITED IN HOW MUCH LOBBYING THEY...
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| 01:39:09 |
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HAVE BEEN -- HAVING FOR MANY YEARS BEEN VERY UPSET ABOUT THE ADVOCACY OF NON-PROFITS THAT ARE, THAT, RECEIVE GOVERNMENT MONEY, RIGHT? AND PERIODICALLY...
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| 01:40:41 |
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SURE NO FEDERAL CONTRACTORS CAN ENGAGE IN KIND 6:ELECTION RELATED ACTIVITIES, I'M THINKING A.C.O.R.N.? LET'S GO DOWN THE LIST. IT GOES EXACTLY -- THAT'S...
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| 01:44:09 |
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WAS TRYING TO DO WHICH LED TO THE FOUNDING OF OUR ORGANIZATION WAS NOT ONLY WAS HE SAYING IF YOU GET FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MONEY, YOU CAN'T USE THAT MONEY...
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| 01:46:10 |
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IT'S OKAY, THAT THERE'S
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| 01:46:11 |
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MORE COMING INTO IT BECAUSE THEY ARE
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| 01:46:13 |
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SPENDING AS MUCH MONEY ON DEMOCRATS AS REPUBLICANS. >> THEY BEING -- >> ANYONE. THAT CORPORATIONS OR ANYONE IS GIVING
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| 01:46:23 |
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JUST AS
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| 01:46:24 |
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MUCH FUNDING AS THEY ARE TO REPUBLICANS, THAT WITH CORPORATE DONATIONS THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BRING ANY ADS FORWARD. THEY ARE JUST GOING TO FUNNEL MONEY...
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| 01:47:11 |
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THAT. BECAUSE THIS HAS TO DO WITH INDEPENDENT SPENDING BY CORPORATES AND SPENDING. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DON'T JUST ADOPT THE OREGON LAW OR THE VIRGINIA...
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| 01:51:16 |
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TALKING AT EACH OTHER, TRYING TO FIND BITS AND PIECES THAT WE CAN. AND MAYBE THIS WILL PROVIDE DECISIONS WHERE WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT IS BEST FOR...
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| 01:52:13 |
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CONGRESS WERE LEAVING CAPITOL HILL AND GOING BACK TO THEIR RESOURCE TO RAISE ALL OF THEIR RESOURCES. BUT SHELLY SAID ON HER FIRST DAY AS AN ELECTED CONGRESS...
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| 01:55:18 |
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CONCLUDE THE PANEL. >> RAISE THE LIMITS, TAKE THEM OFF. I HAVE LOTS OF OTHER REFORMS IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR THEM. BUT TRIPLE THE SIZE OF HOUSE
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| 01:55:31 |
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OF REPRESENTATIVES AFTER THIS CENSUS, SO THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT? THE DISTRICTS WILL BE SMALLER, THEY CAN CAMPAIGN DOOR TO DOOR, LESS COSTLY, LESS TELEVISION....
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| 01:57:00 |
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ALL OF THE INTEREST
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| 01:57:01 |
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AND ALL OF THE DISCUSSION AND
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| 01:57:03 |
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DEBATE ON BLOGS AND LIST
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| 01:57:05 |
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SERVES ABOUT THIS DECISION SHOWS THAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT A PART PA TORE DEMOCRACY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT THEY CARE ABOUT AND...
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| 01:57:30 |
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YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT ON THIS
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| 01:57:37 |
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POST-BLIZZARD DAY. >>>
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