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DO EDUCATION, TO THE PRESS, THE PUBLIC, STUDENTS AND MAKE PRESS STATEMENTS AS WELL. AND APPRECIATE TELLING EVERYONE ABOUT MILITARY JUSTICE, WAYS MILITARY...
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FOR CONGRESS DAILY. MILITARY EDITORS AND CONTRACT TO OUR NAME, WE ARE OPEN TO PHOTO JOURNALISTS, BOTH STILL AND VIDEO. MRE WAS FORMED PRIOR TO THE...
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JOURNALISTS AND CURRENT JOURNALISTS BETTER EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC THE VERY IMPORTANT NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES FACING THE COUNTRY TODAY. AS PART...
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| 00:08:52 |
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TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE -- WE'RE OBVIOUSLY HERE AS A RESULT OF THE CASE SURROUNDING THE FT. HOOD SHOOTINGS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS...
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IN THE AREA SINCE 1973
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INVALID DATED DEATH PENALTITY FOR MOST STATES BUT NOT FOR THE MILITARY AT THE SAME TIME. THE MILITARY ACTUALLY SENTENCED SEVEN PEOPLE TO DEATH DURING...
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| 00:17:34 |
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WCL.AMERICAN.EDU/NIMJ. SINCE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A TRANSITION, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS UPLOADED IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. HOPEFULLY...
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CRIME OF VIOLENCE. I
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CAN THINK OF ONE CASE, ACTUALLY INVOLVING A GRADUATE OF YOUR ALMA MATER, A MAJOR WHO WAS PROSECUTED AND CONVICTED OF ATTEMPTED MURDER. BUT THAT WAS...
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PENNSYLVANIA, 101st AIRBORNE BASE FOR THE OPERATION INTO IRAQ. ABOUT MIDNIGHT WE HEARD A COUPLE OF
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TREMENDOUS BLASTS AND IT TURNED OUT A STAFF SERGEANT OF 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE, 101st AIRBORNE AND A MUSLIM LOBBED A COUPLE OF GRENADES INTO OFFICERS...
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CASE. >> SURE, I THINK YOU SAID
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1983. I ASSUME YOU MEANT 2003. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME CASE. IT'S THE AKBAR CASE. HE WAS THE INDIVIDUAL ACCUSED -- A PERSONAL...
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| 00:26:07 |
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MARTONE WAS A PERSON INJURED BY THE GRENADES. HIS LIFE WAS SAVED BECAUSE HE HAD HIS VEST ON. BUT IT IS IN SOME WAYS A SIMILAR PRECEDENT. THE CASE...
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| 00:27:23 |
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SURE. AND WE CAN USE THE AKBAR CASE AS AN EXAMPLE AND BUILD ON THE OTHER FOUR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CURRENTLY SITTING ON MILITARY'S DEATH ROW.
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| 00:27:33 |
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THE FIRST LEVEL OF
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| 00:27:35 |
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APPEALS THAT HAPPENS AFTER A CORPS MARSHALL FINDS AND INDIVIDUAL GUILTY OF CAPITAL MURDER IS
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A PROCESS CALLED CLEMANCY, DURING WHICH THE COMMANDER HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO WIPE OFF THE ENTIRE CONVICTION, TO MITIGATE THE SENTENCE. THEY -- THE...
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| 00:30:12 |
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IS NOT ALWAYS
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| 00:30:13 |
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BEEN AFFORDED TO MILITARY MEMBERS AND EVEN NOW
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| 00:30:17 |
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ONE OF THINGS THAT WAS RECOMMENDATION FROM THE RECENT COX COMMISSION AND ALSO A MOVEMENT THAT HAS BEEN AFOOT IN CONGRESS, WAS TO EXPAND JURISDICTION...
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| 00:31:24 |
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IN THIS CASE, MAJOR HASAN HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH COUNTS. WHAT HAPPENS FROM THERE, WHAT HAPPENS FROM THERE, THERE'S A PRELIMINARY HEARING THAT TAKES...
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| 00:33:15 |
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THE SPECTRUM THERE ARE SOME STATES AND IT IS HIGHER AND THE MOST FAMOUS CASE, ON A BIT HIGHER BAR BUT NOT SIGNIFICANTLY SO, NOT REALLY MUCH THAT...
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| 00:33:29 |
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CIRCUMSTANCES AS WELL. TO
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| 00:33:31 |
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DIFFERENTIATE THAT, THE THRESHOLD QUESTION HERE, IS SOMEBODY FIT TO STAND TRIAL AND THAT WOULD KIND OF GO INTO THE CONVENING AUTHORITIES AND COMMANDING...
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| 00:34:49 |
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CAN THE DEFENDANT REQUEST A CHANGE OF VENUE AND HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> YOU CAN
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REQUEST A CHANGE
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OF
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| 00:35:00 |
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VENUE, IT IS HIGHLY DISCRETIONARY AS TO WHETHER IT WOULD BE CHANGED. YOU COULD HAVE A
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| 00:35:07 |
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CHANGE OF VENUE TO ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, WHETHER A CHANGE OF VENUE WOULD BE GRANTED WILL BE A FUNCTION IN THE FIRST INSTANCE OF DECISION-MAKING
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| 00:35:18 |
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BY THE CONVENING AUTHORITY. BUT IT'S SUBJECT TO JUDICIAL REVIEW. AND THE MILITARY JUDGE AT SUCH TIME AS ONE IS ASSIGNED CAN ORDER IT. AND I THINK IT'S...
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TO SOMEONE ELSE. THIS IS
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| 00:36:43 |
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AGAIN AT THE EARLY PHASE BEFORE
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| 00:36:45 |
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IT GOES TO THE MILITARY JUDGE BEFORE IT'S REFERRED. THE MILITARY THEMSELVES COULD MAKE THE DECISION THAT WE CHOOSE TO MOVE THIS. THE HIGHER GENERAL...
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| 00:37:30 |
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SIX BEFORE WE SAW THAT. IT COULD DEPEND ON THIS AT THIS POINT WHETHER WE'RE REALLY STILL AT THE BEGINNING OF STAGES. IT'S ONLY BEEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS...
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| 00:37:45 |
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WHAT THE INVESTIGATION COMES UP WITH, I COULD EASILY SEE
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| 00:37:49 |
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SIX MONTHS TO IF THE INVESTIGATION GETS VERY COMPLEX, EVEN UP TO A YEAR. BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO BE HELD IN CONFINEMENT DURING THAT TIME AND THE SUP POSITION...
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| 00:38:42 |
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THERE ARE SPEEDY TRIAL ISSUES AND IF HE'S KEPT IN PRETRIAL CONFINEMENT I DO THINK YOU'RE NOT TALKING YEARS BEFORE THINGS HAPPEN ON THIS CASE. I THINK...
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| 00:39:02 |
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IS KIND OF THE PRELIMINARY HEARING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO GO FORWARD. I WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU WOULD SEE ONE OF THOSE TWO STEPS IN THE NEXT MATTER...
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| 00:39:36 |
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SYSTEM DOES NOT HURRY
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| 00:39:40 |
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TO BRING PEOPLE TO COMPLETION OF THE CAPITAL PROCESS, AND THEN THE
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| 00:39:47 |
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COLLATERAL REVIEW PROCESS BEGINS. THIS IS HABEAS CORPUS IN THE FEDERAL DISTRICT COURTS AND THE WHOLE OTHER APPELLATE PROCESS KICKS IN. SO JUST AS...
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| 00:41:46 |
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HE'S APPROVED THAT SENTENCE AND NOW IT'S GOING FORWARD WITH FEDERAL CIVIL HABEAS REVIEW RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S THE ONE, IF YOU WILL, THAT'S FARTHEST ALONG...
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| 00:42:24 |
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SOME, THE MOST RECENT CASE, IT WAS COMMUTED FROM HE HAD A DEATH SENTENCE
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| 00:42:29 |
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AND HE WAS
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| 00:42:32 |
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COMMUTED TO LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE AND THAT CASE WENT OFF THE DEATH PENALTY DOCKET, IF YOU WILL. THE ONE FARTHEST ALONG IN THAT REGARD HAS HAD HIS SENTENCE...
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| 00:43:26 |
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SOME OF THOSE CASES, AS GENE TALKED ABOUT, IN ONE CASE, AT LEAST -- ACTUALLY IN AT LEAST TWO CASES, THE INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN ACQUITTED. TWO CASES QUITE...
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| 00:44:43 |
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WHO HAS WRITTEN EXEXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE MILITARY DEATH PENALTY. IN ADDITION, PROFESSOR GARY SOLIS, A MEMBER OF THE ADVISORY BOARD AND TEACHES AT WEST...
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| 00:46:40 |
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YEARS. SO JUST FROM THE TIME IT GOT TO THE PRESIDENT'S DESK TO THE PRESIDENT SIGNING IT WAS AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT YEARS AFTER ALL THE OTHER APPEALS...
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| 00:47:18 |
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I THINK PRESIDENT BUSH WAS A GOOD CANDIDATE
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| 00:47:22 |
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TO LET ONE GO FORWARD AS HE AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS IMPLEMENTED DEATH SENTENCES AND WAS PRO-DEATH PENALTY AT THE SAME TIME. EVEN HE TOOK SEVEN YEARS TO...
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| 00:48:02 |
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EXECUTIONS. >> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS COULD HASAN REMAIN AT FT. HOOD ONCE HE'S HEALTHY ENOUGH TO GO INTO CONFINEMENT, COULD THEY MOVE...
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| 00:48:27 |
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SEE EVERYTHING FINISH UP OR DO YOU HAVE A GUESS? >> IF I WERE TO GUESS, I WOULD SAY THIS IS MID-NOVEMBER, I WOULD SAY TRIAL MIGHT WELL BE OVER A...
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| 00:48:54 |
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VIRGINIA. THE MILITARY DOES NOT FUNCTION AS A ROCKET DOCKET, PARTICULARLY IN THESE CASES. EVEN THOUGH IT IS SOMETIMES SAID THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE...
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| 00:49:04 |
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DISPENSE
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| 00:49:05 |
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PROMPT, YOU KNOW, LICKETIE-SPLIT TYPE JUSTICE. IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T FUNCTION THAT WAY. IT'S QUITE A DELIBERATIVE PROCESS. >> TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, MY...
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| 00:49:33 |
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ANTONIO AND IT ALSO MAY FUNCTION AS A RESULT OF IF AND WHERE THE TRIAL'S MOVED TO. SO I THINK THE ANSWER'S THE ABILITY IS TO PUT HIM WHEREVER IS --...
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| 00:50:21 |
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IN THE CIVILIAN COMMUNITY AS WELL. THE MILITARY JUSTICE SYSTEM, LIKE THE CIVILIAN JUSTICE SYSTEM, HAS A PROCESS FOR SCREENING JURORS OR MEMBERS. IT'S...
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| 00:51:47 |
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PICKED, IS TYPICALLY BY THAT CONVENING AUTHORITY, HE PICKS SOLDIERS FROM WITHIN HIS JURISDICTION. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A COMMANDING GENERAL...
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| 00:52:36 |
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DR. HASAN ON THE ACTIVE DUTY LIST IN THEIR DATE OF RANK. >> AS A REQUIREMENT, HE COULDN'T REQUEST HAVING ENLISTED? >> HE WOULDN'T GET IT. ENLISTED...
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| 00:53:01 |
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BY ENLISTED PERSONNEL. >>
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| 00:53:05 |
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GENERAL COURT-MARTIALS, MEMBERSHIP IS SEVEN OR NINE? >> IT HAS TO BE 12 FOR A CAPITAL CASE NOW. THAT'S A RELATIVELY RECENT REFORM, BY THE WAY. >> THAT'S...
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| 00:53:28 |
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OLD RULE UNTIL THE RECENT CHANGES, YOU
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| 00:53:31 |
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HAD TO HAVE AT LEAST FIVE FOR A GENERAL COURT-MARTIAL PANEL AND THAT WAS USED
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| 00:53:35 |
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EVEN IN CAPITAL CASES. NOW, I THINK IT WAS PARTIALLY IN RESPONSE TO
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| 00:53:42 |
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THE FIRST COX COMMISSION, THAT NMIJ SPONSORED, IT HAS TO HAVE AT LEAST 12 SO YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE 15 PEOPLE SIT ON THE CASE AND THAT'S SOMETHING...
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| 00:54:40 |
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SIDE. DR. HASAN HAS EMPLOYED A RETIRED ARMY COLONEL AS HIS CIVILIAN DEFENSE COUNSEL. THAT'S AT HIS OWN EXPENSE. THAT PERSON IS CALLED THE CIVILIAN...
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| 00:56:06 |
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THERE IS SOME DISCRETION IN IT, MUCH LIKE CIVILIAN COURT. SOME PARTICULAR JUDGES CHOOSE TO DO VOIR DIRE THEMSELVES. IN OTHER WORDS, EACH COUNSEL WILL...
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| 00:56:18 |
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IN CIVILIAN COURTS, THE INDIVIDUAL ATTORNEYS TO ASK THE
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| 00:56:21 |
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QUESTIONS. THERE ARE BOTH CHALLENGES FOR CAUSE AND A SET NUMBER OF PEREMPTORY. SO IT IS A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS AND KIND OF TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS, JUST...
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| 00:57:35 |
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PLAUSIBLE BASIS FOR RELEASING A POTENTIAL COURT-MARTIAL MEMBER, THE JUDGE IS SUPPOSED TO GRANT IT. NOW, THE PROCESS IS NOT ALL THAT DISSIMILAR FROM...
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| 00:59:01 |
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OF THEIR GENDER OR THEIR RACE. RELIGION IS NOT QUITE AS CLEARLY RESOLVED AND I EXPECT IT TO BE AN ISSUE IN THIS CASE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE...
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| 00:59:55 |
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IT'S DIFFERENT IN IMPORTANT WAYS. FOR ONE THING, IT PRODUCES ONLY A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMANDING OFFICER, THE CONVENING AUTHORITY. THE CONVENING...
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| 01:01:13 |
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APPEALS? >> WELL, MICHELLE, WHY DON'T YOU -- YOU CAN START ON THAT. WE CAN ALL PROBABLY COMMENT ON THAT ONE. >> WELL, THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF PITFALLS....
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| 01:01:34 |
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ARE ONES THAT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO, AND AGAIN ASSUMING THAT THIS WOULD BE A CAPITAL -- CAPITALLY REFERRED CASE, ONES
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| 01:01:42 |
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THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO CAPITAL CASES. WE OFTEN HEAR DEATH IS DIFFERENT AND THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME VERY IMPORTANT PITFALLS THAT THIS CASE WILL WANT TO...
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| 01:03:31 |
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THE WOODS AND OPENED UP AND SHOT A BUNCH OF FOLKS, KILLING ONE AND INJURING I THINK 17 OTHERS WHILE LAYING AT A MORNING PHYSICAL TRAINING RUN IN THE...
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| 01:05:45 |
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OR ADMITTED BY THE MILITARY JUDGE. THOSE ARE AREAS THAT ARE FRUITFUL SOURCES OF APPELLATE LITIGATION. OBVIOUSLY SPEEDY TRIAL IS AN ISSUE. WE'VE ALL...
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| 01:09:38 |
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THAT'S A GOOD POINT. FOR SHORTHAND, WE'RE ALL USED TO THE PHRASE COMMAND INFLUENCE. MILITARY JUSTICE MAVENS ARE PARTICULAR ABOUT THIS, WE SAY UNLAWFUL...
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| 01:09:59 |
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VARIETY OF SHAPES AND COLORS. PEOPLE HAVE AT TIMES SAID THAT STATEMENTS BY PRESIDENTS AND OTHER SENIOR OFFICIALS HAVE GUMMED UP THE JURY POOL,...
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| 01:11:37 |
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THINKS THE CASE SHOULD BE HANDLED. THAT GUY SHOULD GET THE DEATH SENTENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THE ISSUE THEN BECOMES RAISED IF YOUR SUPERIOR OFFICER...
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| 01:12:24 |
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YOU CAN'T LAWFULLY KILL PEOPLE FROM COMING FORWARD AS WITNESSES, EITHER ON THE MERITS OR ON SENTENCING. BY THE WAY, LET'S BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT ONE OTHER...
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| 01:13:42 |
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MARTINEZ AND WE WERE TOLD THAT WE HAD TO PROCEED UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. I
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| 01:13:50 |
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THINK EVENTUALLY, HAD WE PRESSED IT, WE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN SOME TRACTION WITH THE MILITARY JUDGE. I THINK THE JUDGE ULTIMATELY ENTERED SOME KIND OF...
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| 01:15:14 |
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OTHERS, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR A REGION. THERE MAY BE FIVE OR SIX, DEPENDING HOW LARGE THEIR JUDGE CORPS IS, THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PART OF THE...
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| 01:15:24 |
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WORLD. AND IT'S GENERALLY EITHER THE CHIEF JUDGE FOR THAT REGION OR THAT BASE WHO SELECTS THE ONE WHO WOULD SIT. IN THIS CASE, I WOULD SAY THAT, AND...
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| 01:17:01 |
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SECOND STAGE OF APPEAL BUT IN IMPORTANT RESPECTS, THESE ARE SERVICE BY SERVICE ARRANGEMENTS. NOW, TALKING ABOUT THE MILITARY JUDICIARY, ONE DIFFERENCE...
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| 01:19:09 |
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OR NEXT FEW MONTHS, WHERE BOTH SIDES GET TO GO FORWARD AND PRESENT
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| 01:19:13 |
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SOME EVIDENCE AND THE
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| 01:19:14 |
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OFFICER, WHOEVER IT IS THAT'S IN CHARGE OF CONVENING THAT HEARING, WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION
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| 01:19:18 |
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TO THE COMMANDING
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| 01:19:20 |
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GENERAL OF GO FORWARD WITH CHARGES, GO FORWARD WITH THESE SPECIFIC CHARGES, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT HE EITHER BE CHARGED CAPITALLY OR NOT CAPITALLY,...
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| 01:20:24 |
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THIS ISN'T GOING ON IN A VACUUM. CONGRESS, AS I THINK GENE SAID, ALL THREE BRANCHES ARE INVOLVED IN THIS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? >> WELL, I DO THINK THAT...
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| 01:20:56 |
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I'M SURE I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT SENATOR LEVIN, CHAIR OF THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE, AND HIS OPPOSITE NUMBERS WOULD BE...
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| 01:22:33 |
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PRODUCTIVE.
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| 01:22:34 |
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IT MAY WELL HAVE GALVANIZED THE ADMINISTRATION INTO APPOINTING SECRETARY WEST AND ADMIRAL CLARK TO DO THE KIND OF INVESTIGATION THAT APPARENTLY IS BEING...
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| 01:23:38 |
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GENERAL OR SOMEONE FELT THAT THESE CRIMES WERE CRIMES OF TERRORISM AND THEREFORE, FELT THERE WAS A DIFFERENT VENUE TO TRY THEM SUCH AS FEDERAL DISTRICT...
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| 01:24:28 |
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NOW. SOME OF THESE ISSUES MAY INTERSECT AND ONE OF THEM IS THE WILLINGNESS OF THE BAR TO COME FORWARD AND REPRESENT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LET'S SAY...
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| 01:25:53 |
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ABOUT TO UNFOLD, SO I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU. WE ARE ADJOURNED. I THINK, HOWEVER, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS, OUR PANEL WILL BE WILLING...
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| 01:26:40 |
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SO THIS EVENT LOOKING AT THE COURT-MARTIAL PROCESS FOR THE ACCUSED FT. HOOD SHOOTER IS WRAPPING UP AND WE'LL HEAR MORE NOW ABOUT THE RECENT SHOOTING AT...
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HOUR. >>
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