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TWO CENTS. SO, DON'T YOU WORRY, WE'LL COVER EVERYBODY. LET ME -- REMEMBER, THIS PANEL IS ABOUT POLITICS AND MEDIA DURING MASSIVE RESISTANCE. NOT NECESSARILY...
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| 00:08:36 |
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THAT'S ASKING TOO MUCH. >> WHAT WE WERE LACKING BETWEEN 19 5E WHEN BROWN AGAINST BOARD
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| 00:08:44 |
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OF EDUCATION WAS DECIDED BY THE COURT OF
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THE UNITED STATES, AND THE END OF MASSIVE
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| 00:08:53 |
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RESISTANCE IN 1959, THE VERY THING WE WERE LACKING
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| 00:08:58 |
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WAS HEROES.
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| 00:09:00 |
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EVERYBODY WAS SCARED TO DEATH. THE VILLAINS WERE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO SIMPLY COULD NOT ACCEPT THE FACT THAT BLACK PEOPLE WERE THE SAME AS WHITE PEOPLE....
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| 00:16:02 |
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REQUIRED TO MAKE BEFORE. HOW COULD YOU HAVE
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| 00:16:06 |
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A BETTER OPPORTUNITY THAN TO SAY TO VIRGINIA IN THAT SITUATION, LOOK, WE'RE PART OF THIS UNITED STATES. AND WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH ITS LAWS....
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| 00:21:33 |
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A BYRD ORGANIZATION CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR THE
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| 00:21:35 |
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ONE WHO SAID HE WOULD RATHER LOSE HIS ARM THAN HAVE DESEGREGATION OF THE SCHOOLS. AND WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN YOUR PERSPECTIVES ON THE POLITICS...
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| 00:22:18 |
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ALWAYS THOUGHT OF THE BUCK CHILDREN WHO ENTERED THE SCHOOLS, 17 IN NORFOLK AND THOSE IN CHARLOTTESVILLE AND WARREN COUNTY. BUT AFTER HEARING WHAT WAS...
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| 00:22:30 |
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MORNING, I FEEL THAT QUITE DEEPLY THEY WERE TRULY
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| 00:22:38 |
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HEROES. AND THERE ARE PRECIOUS FEW OTHER HEROES. I THINK MY COLLEAGUE HERE ON THE PANEL, LIN HOLTON WAS CERTAINLY ONE OF THE HEROES. NOBODY WAS PAYING...
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| 00:26:11 |
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| 00:26:13 |
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SORT OF DEEP
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| 00:26:19 |
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PROVENCIALISM. >> JAMES JACKSON KILPATRICK
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| 00:26:22 |
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WAS THE PRINCIPAL EDITORIAL LEADER. HE THUNDERED SUPPORT FOR MASSIVE RESISTANCE AND SEGREGATION. SO THE NEWS LEADER WAS REALLY LEADING THE CHARGE....
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| 00:26:42 |
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YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER >> I'VE ESSENTIALLY GIVEN UP. I'M GOING TO LET YOU ANSWER ANY QUESTION THAT YOU DESIRE. >> WELL, I SHOULD SAY AT THE OUTSET,...
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| 00:27:02 |
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BABYSIT. I WAS THE ONLY BLACK KID IN THE
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| 00:27:05 |
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NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A WHITE BABYSITTER. [ LAUGHTER ] HE WAS
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| 00:27:12 |
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GOOD. BUT I'M GOING TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE HEROES. WHO ARE THE HEROES? THERE WERE HEROES AND THEN THERE WERE WHAT I DESCRIBED AS RELUCTANT...
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| 00:32:39 |
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HUMANITIES IN PUBLIC POLICY TO STUDY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA. >> FANTASTIC. >> I WANT TO HEAR MORE APPLAUSE. [ APPLAUSE ] >>
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| 00:32:49 |
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OH, LET ME REPEAT THAT. >> YES. >> I SAID I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M IN GOOD FELLOWSHIP HERE WITH THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES WITH THE
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| 00:33:05 |
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UNIVERSITY OF
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| 00:33:06 |
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VIRGINIA BY SAYING THAT I WAS ONE -- I WAS ONE OF THE COMMONWEALTH'S FIRST FELLOWS TO STUDY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA IN THE
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| 00:33:17 |
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FIELD OF HUMANITIES
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| 00:33:18 |
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AND PUBLIC POLICY. [ APPLAUSE ]
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| 00:33:20 |
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ALSO I SPEAK TODAY FROM, ACTUALLY THREE PERSPECTIVES. I WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT HEROES, AND I THINK THE HEROES OF THAT TIME PERIOD ARE THE...
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| 00:38:12 |
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THE HEROES, FIRST WITH THE ORGANIZATION THAT BROUGHT THE CASE TO THE COURT AND THEN FOLLOWED UP TO IMPLEMENT THE CASE, NO
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| 00:38:25 |
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ONE HAS MENTIONED THE NAACP, THE ORGANIZATION. AND EVEN THE PARENTS, THE BLACK PARENTS WHO STOOD OUT AND THE WHITE SUPPORTERS PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE...
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| 00:39:31 |
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AND AFTER THAT THE PARENTS WHO ENCOURAGED THEIR
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| 00:39:34 |
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CHILDREN, SUPPORTED THEIR CHILDREN TO ATTEND THESE INTEGRATED SCHOOLS. THEY ARE THE HEROES AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE CHILDREN. THEY MADE THE...
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| 00:45:41 |
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PART WAS CLOSING THE SCHOOLS IF A FEDERAL JUDGE ORDERED
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| 00:45:46 |
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DESEGREGATION WITH THE IDEA YOU WOULD REPLACE A SYSTEM OF PRIVATE SCHOOLS THAT WOULDN'T BE PRIVATE THEY WOULD BE SUZY DIZED BY STATE TUITION GRANTS....
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| 00:52:32 |
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THEY DIDN'T PUT THEM ON THE RECORD, I HOPE THEY EVENTUALLY WILL BUT I WAS SO IMPRESSED WITH THEM. THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, DESCENANTS OF...
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| 00:52:42 |
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PARTS OF VIRGINIA, GENERALLY TIDEWATER. ONE'S GRANDFATHER WAS A WHITE PREACHER. ANOTHER ONE WAS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WHO SPOKE OUT AGAINST MASSIVE...
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| 00:54:51 |
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MACHINE. THAT OFFICE SPEAKS TO COMPACTMENT OF VIRGINIA LIFE WHICH ALLOWS THE STRUGGLE OVER DESEGREGATION TO CONTINUE AS LONG AS IT DID. THE EDITOR...
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| 01:04:47 |
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TO NOTE, I MUST SAY I HEARD THAT QUOTE ABOUT HOW IT BOUGHT VIRGINIA TIME. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SENIOR POLITICIANS IN VIRGINIA I HEARD THAT FROM...
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| 01:05:52 |
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ABOUT PEOPLE IN VIRGINIA WHO WON'T, WHY THEY WON'T TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DID THE DEED, AND WHY -- WHAT THEY WERE THINKING AT THE TIME?...
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| 01:06:54 |
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AREAS OF THE RICHMOND METROME METROPOLITAN AREA STILL REFER TO THE CIVIL WAR AS THAT RECENT UNPLEASANTNESS. WE TEND TO LAUNDER MANY OF THE TERMS AND...
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| 01:07:57 |
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FOR THE PERMANENCE OF THE REPUBLIC AND THE PRESERVATION OF OUR VERY DEMOCRACY, AND HE NOT ONLY IGNORED THAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT HE ACTIVELY FOUGHT AGAINST...
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| 01:12:01 |
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GOVERNOR BEFORE LINWOOD HOLTON PARTICIPATED. LINWOOD HOLTON, NOT ONLY DID HE FIGHT
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| 01:12:09 |
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MASS RESISTANCE, HE MADE VIRGINIA RESPECTABLE AROUND THE COUNTRY BY WHAT HE DID WITH HIS CHILDREN, AND I TAKE A LITTLE CREDIT -- I SUGGESTED TO HIM,...
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| 01:12:58 |
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VILLAINS. I'M NOT
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| 01:13:01 |
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AFRAID TO NAME NAMES. BUT PEOPLE LIKE ARMSTEAD BOOTH AND LINWOOD HOLTON BOUNCED OFF THOSE VILLAINS. ALMOST EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE,...
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| 01:14:27 |
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| 01:14:28 |
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STORY. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE WILL HEAR OFTEN IN POLITICS THAT'S
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| 01:14:35 |
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POLITICSPOLITIC S THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE. IT'S A TIRE SOME DESCRIPTION TO WHICH POLITICIANS ARE GIVEN. IT'S A TRUISM. THERE'S LOTS OF POLITICAL FIGURES...
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| 01:16:51 |
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SPEAKING TO DIVERSITY AND DIVISION, IN TODAY'S CLIMATE AND CONSIDERING WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING, WITH THE THREAT OF VOUCHERS TO PRIVATE...
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| 01:17:12 |
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AGAIN, CREATING THE ATMOSPHERE OF SEPARATION, GIVEN FOR EXAMPLE IN THE GOVERNMENT SCHOOL, MY ALMA MATER, 1% OF THE STUDENT POPULATION IS AFRICAN-AMERICAN...
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| 01:17:45 |
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ARE WRONG AND WHERE THEY THREATEN THE EXISTENCE OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THEY ARE WRONG. MOST OF US WILL HAVE TO BE EDUCATED IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS. IS TO...
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| 01:17:59 |
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TO MAKE THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS LESS EFFECTIVE THEN I'M AGAINST IT. BUT THE IDEA OF EXPERIMENTATION IS GOOD. I DON'T SEE WHY THE CHARTER SCHOOLS CAN'T...
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| 01:18:41 |
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EDWARD COUNTY. WE HAD THIS EXPERIMENT WITH SCHOOL VOUCHERS AND SOMETIMES
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| 01:18:45 |
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IN WASHINGTON I SAY THAT AND ADVOCATES OF VOUCHERS DON'T LIKE THAT. THAT'S TRUE. WE HAD OUR EXPERIMENT WITH IT. I DON'T FIND IT AT ALL SURPRISING...
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| 01:19:45 |
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WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO
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| 01:19:47 |
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HAVE THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE. THIS IS ALL -- THE FAILURE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST HAPPENS. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS PLANNED. BECAUSE WHEN...
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| 01:21:01 |
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DARDEN, PARTICULARLY IN PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY. >> THERE ARE
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| 01:21:06 |
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TWO ANECDOTES ABOUT GOVERNOR
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| 01:21:08 |
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DARDEN THAT I THINK WILL ANSWER THAT. WHEN PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY SCHOOLS CLOSED, HE WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING THOSE SCHOOLS BACK INTO BUSINESS....
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| 01:21:27 |
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DARDEN WHO WAS THE ELDER STATESMAN OF VIRGINIA, FULLY RECOGNIZED ALL OVER THE STATE AS BEING THE ELDER STATESMAN. AND INTO HIS OFFICE. AND SAID I HAVE...
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| 01:25:46 |
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THINK J.
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| 01:25:49 |
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LINDSAY HARMON BELONGS ON THAT LIST BECAUSE HE UNDERSTOOD CLEARLY WHAT THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS WERE, HE UNDERSTOOD THE LAW BUT HE ALLOWED HIS FULL...
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| 01:26:37 |
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TO PRE PRESERVATION OF SEGREGATION IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND IF HE DIDN'T TAKE THE LEADERSHIP THAT HE ULTIMATELY TOOK WE REALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN A...
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| 01:28:04 |
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THEY PICKETED IN FRONT OF HIS HOME. BURNED HIM IN EFFIGY, THROUGH AGENCIES AT HIS HOUSE, BUT HE
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| 01:28:16 |
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REMAINED STRONG WITH HIS CONVICTIONS AND I'M TALKING ABOUT BOB MARRIAGE. QUICK QUESTION. FEDERAL DISTRICT JUDGE MARRIAGE. QUICK QUESTION, YOU SPOKE...
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| 01:29:31 |
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JUSTICE? >> AS THE MEMBERS OF THE PANEL WERE SPEAKING, I CONSTANTLY THOUGHT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT
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| 01:29:44 |
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GOVERNOR HARRISON TOLD ME SOMETIME AGO, WHEN I SERVED WITH HIM ON THE SUPREME COURT OF VIRGINIA,
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| 01:29:56 |
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AND HE RAISED THE ISSUE OF MASSIVE RESISTANCE TO ME, WITH ME, WHICH WAS SURPRISING TO ME, AND HE TALKED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT...
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| 01:33:24 |
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BUT IF THE IDEA IS TO APOLOGIZE AND DONE STOP I WANT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. THE YOUNG LEADERLIER
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| 01:33:33 |
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SAID IF YOU BREAK MY WIND SHIELD IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SAY I'M SORRY I BROKE YOUR WINDSHIELD BUT I WANT MY WIND SHE WOULD RESTORED LIKE IT WAS. WE HAVE...
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