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YEARS, HIS TERM AS WHITE HOUSE CHAIRMAN AND DECISION TO RUN FOR MAJORITY LEADER. ALSO DISCUSS SOCIAL SECURITY, THE 1988 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AND...
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| 00:00:42 |
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ME A BOOK, GEORGE GILDER, A HINT, GET WITH IT. >> HOW SICK WERE YOU, BY THE WAY? HOW SICK WERE YOU AT THAT POINT? >> I HAD KIDNEY STONES IN THE ONLY...
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| 00:00:57 |
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I WASN'T LIFE-THREATENING. I WAS SICK, BUT I KNOW THEY LOVED THAT VISIT. THE NURSES AND EVERYBODY
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| 00:01:08 |
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GOT PICTURES WITH PRESIDENT
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| 00:01:12 |
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REAGAN. I APPRECIATED IT, TOO. YEAH, I NEVER WAS MUCH OF A LAUGHER MAN. HE'S STILL AROUND. I SEE HIM ON BUSINESS SHOWS, HERE'S ART LAFFER. HE DOESN'T...
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| 00:02:55 |
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ROTHENKOWSKI. HE'S QUITE A GUY. >> TELL US ABOUT HIM. >> I LIKED HIM. HE LIKED ME. HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TAXES. HE GOT ELECTED TO CONGRESS,...
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| 00:03:09 |
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OF THE TAX WRITING COMMITTEE. HERE I ENDED UP CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. WE WEREN'T ACCOUNTANTS OR TAX EXPERTS, BUT WE HAD BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH...
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| 00:03:20 |
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DONE.
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| 00:03:23 |
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HE'S A PRETTY TOUGH GUY. PRETTY PARTY LINE. I GOT ALONG WITH HIM PRETTY WELL. I COULD GO OVER THERE AND VISIT WITH HIM. I REMEMBER, WAS IT '81? IT...
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| 00:04:34 |
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PRESIDENT USING THE MEDIA TO, IN EFFECT -- >>
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| 00:04:37 |
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AND THE PEOPLE. I DON'T THINK IT'S HAPPENED SINCE, HAS IT? WHERE THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY
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| 00:04:43 |
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GOT THE TAX CUT. WHAT WAS IT? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY VOTES AGAINST IT IN THE SENATE. A HANDFUL. PROBABLY 25 OR 30 IN THE HOUSE. I DON'T REMEMBER THE
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| 00:04:57 |
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NUMBERS. BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF GOODIES ATTACHED TO IT. SOME WE HAD TO TAKE CARE OF LATER. I GOT ACCUSED OF BEING THE TAX COLLECTOR FOR THE WELFARE...
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| 00:06:04 |
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REPUBLICAN SENATE. FINALLY HAD ONE REPUBLICAN CHAMBER. HE HAD A LOT OF CLOUT WITH THE PEOPLE. PEOPLE LIKE RONALD
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| 00:06:14 |
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REAGAN. IF REAGAN SAID IT, I CAN REMEMBER GETTING LETTERS FROM, CRITICAL LETTERS FROM HOME WHEN I SAID SOMETHING THAT WASN'T 100% WHAT REAGAN SAID WE...
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| 00:07:01 |
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MAN. A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVED IT. THERE WAS A PLAN. AND THE WAY HE HANDLED IT. THE JOKES AND HOPE THE DOCTORS ARE REPUBLICAN, ALL THAT PLAYED WELL...
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| 00:07:21 |
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SCRATCH. >> ONE OTHER THING, REMEMBER THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, WAS THE PATCO STRIKE. THE FACT I ALWAYS THOUGHT REAGAN'S LEGEND WAS BORN FROM THE ASSASSINATION...
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| 00:07:43 |
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JOB, YOU HAVE A GUY WHO DID WHAT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO AND DID IT IN A WAY EVERYONE COULD UNDERSTAND. AND SEEMED TO BE WILLING TO TAKE WHATEVER...
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| 00:08:20 |
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HIM A PRETTY GOOD START. THAT HAPPENED, WHEN, THE DAY AFTER HE WAS SWORN IN, I THINK? >> THE DAY OF THE INAUGURATION. >> YEAH. POOR PRESIDENT CARTER,...
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| 00:08:47 |
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REAGAN HAS HAD THAT STAR QUALITY. COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW THE WATCH WAS
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| 00:08:52 |
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MADE, BUT KNEW WHAT TIME IT WAS. >> McFARLAND HAD A GREAT LINE. HE WAS SCRATCHING HIS HEAD AND SAID, HE KNOWS SO LITTLE, YET HE ACCOMPLISHES SO MUCH....
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| 00:09:18 |
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HE WOULD GLANCE OVER AND HAD THESE CARDS THAT WOULD START OFF, GOOD MORNING, BOB. EVERYTHING WAS SCRIPTED. THAT'S NOT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T KNOW MY NAME,...
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| 00:09:28 |
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IT WAS FOR
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| 00:09:30 |
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HISTORICAL PURPOSES, THEY WANTED THIS JUST
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| 00:09:36 |
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RIGHT. HE HAD THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL, COMMON SENSE. I THINK HE HAD A FEEL FOR WHAT PEOPLE REALLY WANTED. HE DIDN'T PROFESS TO KNOW ALL ...
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| 00:10:47 |
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OR MY INTEREST OR JUST DIDN'T PAY IT. SO WE ARE
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| 00:10:51 |
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TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CLOSE SOME OF THESE LOOPHOLES. THEN THE BANKERS TOOK HIM ON. THE AMERICAN BANKING ASSOCIATION, SAVINGS AND LOANS, AND I...
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| 00:12:32 |
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CUT TAXES, BUT CUT SPENDING, AND HE DID DO A LOT OF SPENDING. HE DID A LOT OF SPENDING CUTS IN THE FIRST BUDGET REVOLUTION. A LOT OF IT WAS REALLY...
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| 00:12:49 |
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YOU CUT SSI THAT AFFECTED LOW-INCOME PEOPLE. YOU DON'T DO THOSE THINGS. THAT WAS REPEALED THE NEXT CHANCE WE HAD. AND REMEMBER, REAGAN HAD TO GET ALL...
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| 00:13:50 |
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WAS A BIG
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| 00:13:52 |
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INFLUENCE. HE WAS TOUGH. IF YOU WANTED TO GO DOWN AND SAY, DAVE WE SHOULDN'T DO THIS HE WAS HARD TO BUDGE. YOU COULD GET HIM TO COME AROUND A LITTLE
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| 00:14:05 |
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BIT, BUT HE THOUGHT
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| 00:14:06 |
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HE HAD A MANDATE,
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| 00:14:09 |
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CHANGED THE FEDERAL SPENDING POLICIES AND
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| 00:14:15 |
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IT WORKED FOR A WHILE. BECAUSE REAGAN HAD THIS POWER. IT WASN'T BECAUSE PEOPLE AGREED WITH IT. PARTICULARLY DEMOCRATS, BUT THEY VOTED FOR IT. YOU HAD...
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| 00:15:00 |
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OF STAFF FROM THE BEGINNING. >> THEN HE SWITCHED TO DON REGAN. >> IN TERMS OF THAT FIRST YEAR OR TWO, WAS BAKER SIGNIFICANTLY INVOLVED IN THE
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| 00:15:14 |
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NEGOTIATIONS OR PLANNING? >> YEAH, IN A DIFFERENT WAY. BAKER HAD A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO
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| 00:15:20 |
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EVERYTHING. HE WAS OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE
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| 00:15:23 |
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AND LISTENED, WILLING
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| 00:15:27 |
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TO COMPROMISE AND AND AND -- BUT THERE WERE PEOPLE AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE. I CAN'T REMEMBER
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| 00:15:37 |
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PRECISELY, PEOPLE LIKE KNOPF WHO DIDN'T TRUST BAKER. I DON'T THINK IT BOTHERED BAKER ANY. WE USED TO MEET WITH HIM A LOT ON THE BUDGET. USED TO MEET...
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| 00:16:45 |
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RUN UPSTREAM AND IT RUNS INTO TOWN AND
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| 00:16:51 |
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THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING? BAKER HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP AND STILL DOES. YOU KNOW, THE PRESS LIKES JIM BAKER. A LOT OF REPUBLICANS FALLEN BY THE WAYSIDE,...
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| 00:17:35 |
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STORY TELLER AS EVERYONE SAYS? >> YEAH. AND YOU GET INVITED UPSTAIRS, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU COULD SIT AROUND AND HAVE A COCA-COLA, WHATEVER YOU
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| 00:17:46 |
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WANTED, AND I'M CERTAIN IT WAS PAINSTAKING FOR HIM TO HAVE ALL OF US HANG AROUND THERE. WE WOULD GO UP THERE.
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| 00:17:55 |
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HE WOULD
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| 00:17:57 |
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INVITE SPECIAL, A LOT OF HIGH-MAINTENANCE PEOPLE UP THERE IN CONGRESS. REAGAN UNDERSTOOD THAT. HE UNDERSTOOD YOU'VE GOT TO STROKE THE DEMOCRATS AND...
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| 00:18:46 |
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REALLY LIKED REAGAN AND I THINK THE SAME WAS TRUE. I REMEMBER IN THE SOCIAL
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| 00:18:53 |
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SECURITY IN '83 WITH PAT MOYNIHAN AND GREENSPAN WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMISSION, WAS ABLE TO SATISFY BOTH REAGAN AND O'NEIL HAS GOT TO MEAN THEY HAD SOME...
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| 00:19:54 |
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PRO-LIFE, BUT GET ON THE SPEAKER PHONE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND WISH THEM ALL WELL, HOPE YOU'RE HAVING A GREAT TIME. THEY'RE ALL,
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| 00:20:02 |
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OH, HE'S OUR GUY. IT'S AMAZING, BUT HE HAD THAT -- WELL, HE WASN'T CALLED THE GREAT COMMUNICATOR FOR NOTHING. AND HE WAS GOOD WHEN HE WOULD ADDRESS...
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| 00:20:54 |
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LAZY. IN CALIFORNIA, THEY INSISTED HE HAD REGULAR PRESS CONFERENCES WHICH KEPT HIM ON HIS TOES, AND HE WAS VERY GOOD IN THAT FORMAT. WHEN HE GOT...
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| 00:21:47 |
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GENUINE. HE WOULD GET UP AND GIVE THEM THE OLD, ONE, TWO, THREE PUNCH, YOU KNOW, TAXES, SPENDING, REGULATION, SAME OLD STUFF WE'VE BEEN USING FOR YEARS....
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| 00:22:24 |
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THAT DYNAISM OR WHATEVER IT IS. >> CHARISMA. >> HE COULD WALK AROUND THE CABINET ROOM AND
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| 00:22:32 |
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NOT REMEMBER THE HUD SECRETARY. AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE, HE SAID, WHY SHOULD I REMEMBER ALL THESE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. ONLY HALF OF THEM VOTED FOR ME ANYWAY....
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| 00:22:48 |
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REAL. I DON'T NEED TO
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| 00:22:50 |
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KNOW ALL THESE GUYS' NAMES. I'M ONLY GOING TO BE HERE EIGHT YEARS. I REMEMBER HIM SAYING THAT, TOO. >> PEOPLE SENSED FUNNY FOR AN ACTOR THAT THERE...
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| 00:23:19 |
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SOMETHING. >> WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON
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| 00:23:24 |
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IRAN-CONTRA? WHAT DO YOU THINK HOW HE HANDLED IT? DO YOU THINK AGE WAS GIVENING TO BE A FACTOR BY THAT POINT? >> I THINK OLLIE NORTH HAD TOO MUCH AUTHORITY....
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| 00:23:42 |
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LOOSE CANNON. OF COURSE, NOW HE IS THE BIG REPORTER, BIG FOLLOWING. HE LOST THE SENATE BID. I DON'T REMEMBER HOW REAGAN GOT DRAGGED INTO THAT, BUT
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| 00:23:58 |
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I REMEMBER HE HAD TO TESTIFY. HE WAS ON PRETTY THIN ICE, I THINK. >> THERE IS THIS NOTION THAT REAGAN BECAME VERY EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED IN THE POLITE...
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| 00:24:29 |
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HIS EMOTIONS GET INVOLVED. AND THAT HE COULD CONVINCE HIMSELF THAT HE WASN'T DOING WHAT EVERYONE ELSE THOUGHT HE WAS DOING. >> THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE....
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| 00:24:59 |
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YOU JUST COULDN'T COMPARE IT WITH ANYBODY ELSE. EVERYBODY WAS IMPRESSED. PROBABLY SOMEBODY WROTE IT, BUT HE USED TO PLAY WITH HIS
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| 00:25:12 |
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SPEECHES. HE DIDN'T JUST GET UP. HE WOULD
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| 00:25:15 |
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MAKE LITTLE EDITS. I KIND OF LEARNED TO HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR HIM SINCE LOOKING AT SOME OF HIS DIARIES. I MEAN THE GUY WAS, HE KIND OF KNEW WHAT WAS...
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| 00:26:04 |
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GET CREDIT FOR SOMETHING TOMORROW? WHAT WAS HIS LOWEST POLL NUMBER? HE GOT DOWN THERE LOW. >> HE GOT DOWN TO THE UPPER 30s RIGHT AROUND
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| 00:26:14 |
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THE BOTTOM OF THE '82 RECESSION. THERE MUST HAVE BEEN ENORMOUS PRESSURE ON HIM AND PEOPLE LIKE BAKER, I IMAGINE, TO CHANGE COURSE. WHICH RAISES THE...
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| 00:26:32 |
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TEFRA. WAS THERE OPPOSITION AT THE WHITE HOUSE? PARTICULARLY FOR THE PRESIDENT. HOW DID YOU SELL THIS, QUOTE, TAX INCREASE TO REAGAN? >> I THINK THEY...
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| 00:27:08 |
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IT, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE SOMEBODY'S WORD FOR IT, YOUR TREASURY SECRETARY AND THE OTHER TAX EXPERTS IN YOUR ADMINISTRATION. SO WE HAD TO GO BACK AND...
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| 00:28:13 |
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| 00:28:15 |
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DONE. >> AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY -- >> ALL THE LOTTES AND CAMPS AND NUZIS. THEY THOUGHT WE WERE RAISING TAXES. WE WERE. PEOPLE...
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| 00:28:39 |
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TOUGH GUYS ON THE COMMITTEE. I DON'T
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| 00:28:44 |
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REMEMBER HOW WE GOT THAT DONE. WHO WE HAD TO TAKE CARE OF. PROBABLY SOMEBODY. >>
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| 00:28:52 |
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WHEN
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| 00:28:54 |
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YOU CONFRONTED THEM WITH, CALL IT THE OLD-TIME RELIGION, DEFICITS. >> WE THOUGHT, WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE A FAVORITE IN THE WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE REAGAN...
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| 00:29:14 |
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WHOSE BELIEVE YOU OUGHT TO WATCH SPENDING, AT LEAST HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER SPENDING. REAGAN ALWAYS SAID, WELL, THEY MADE A DEAL FOR EVERY, WAS IT...
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| 00:29:26 |
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GET A DOLLAR IN SPENDING CUTS? BUT CONGRESS NEVER DELIVERED THE CUTS. THAT REALLY ISN'T THE CASE. WE DIDN'T GET ANY HELP OR LITTLE HELP FROM THE...
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| 00:30:33 |
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CHANGES, SOCIAL SECURITY TO KEEP THE THING SOLVENT. A LOT OF PEOPLE
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| 00:30:40 |
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THINK WE LOST A COUPLE OF SENATE SEATS BECAUSE OF IT. ANYWAY,
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| 00:30:45 |
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WE PASSED IT
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| 00:30:47 |
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BY HOOK OR CROOK, WHATEVER, BRING THE OLD PETE WILSON IN SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO GET A LOT OF PRESS IF YOU COME IN AND VOTE. YOU GOT A LOT OF PRESS...
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| 00:31:30 |
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LIVES. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT JESSE, COME TO THINK
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| 00:31:35 |
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OF IT. MAYBE WE DIDN'T TOUCH CIGARETTES OR SOMETHING. SOMETHING HAD TO HAPPEN. WE GOT
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| 00:31:44 |
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ED
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| 00:31:45 |
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ZIRINSKI, THE ONLY DEMOCRAT, AND WE HAD TO GIVE HIM HALF THE FARM. THEN DON REGAN CUT A DEAL WITH CAMP AND SOME HOUSE GUYS AND LEFT US -- >> HOW DID...
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| 00:32:20 |
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THIS WAS AFTER THE RUG HAD BEEN PULLED OUT FROM
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| 00:32:23 |
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UNDER YOU? >> YEAH. HE KNEW WE WERE -- A LOT OF REPUBLICANS WALKED THE PLANK. THIS WAS A TOUGH VOTE. WE THOUGHT WE WERE DEMONSTRATING WHAT THE PARTY...
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| 00:32:41 |
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REAGAN THOUGHT? >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT PRESIDENT REAGAN YAB THOUGHT
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| 00:32:44 |
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ABOUT IT. HE HAD TO OKAY IT. I DON'T THINK DON REGAN DID. SOME OF THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T THINK YOU HAD TO CUT SPENDING BECAUSE THE REVENUE IS JUST GOING...
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| 00:33:01 |
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IS EASY, CUTTING SPENDING IS
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| 00:33:03 |
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HARD. IF THERE IS A CHOICE, WHY -- I'M NOT SURE THAT TAX CUT ANYTHING IS AS STRONG AS IT WAS THEN. IT WAS REALLY POWERFUL IN THE REAGAN DAYS. YOU...
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| 00:34:00 |
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TO
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| 00:34:07 |
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HAPPEN. PRESIDENT FORD'S WIN PROGRAM, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHO SOLD HIM ON THAT, GREENSPAN? YOU PROBABLY KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. >> I DON'T KNOW. WHIP INFLATION...
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| 00:34:39 |
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I SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN RUNNING, BUT '88, I SHOULD HAVE WON. I REALLY THINK REAGAN, NOT MALICIOUSLY, BUT GAVE BUSH JUST WHAT HE NEEDED THAT LAST WEEK...
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| 00:35:49 |
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TO GET INVOLVED. THE OLD 11th COMMANDMENT. PRETTY POPULAR IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.
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| 00:35:58 |
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I JUST COULDN'T COUNTER ALL THIS LAST-MINUTE PRAISE FROM REAGAN FOR BUSH. OUR LETTERS WEREN'T ENOUGH. AND I THINK HOWARD BAKER WAS CHIEF OF STAFF THEN....
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| 00:39:47 |
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APART? OF COURSE THE DEMOCRATS HAVE REALLY MILKED THE ISSUE IN '82 OFFYEAR ELECTIONS. >> OH, YEAH. >> YOU LOST 26
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| 00:39:57 |
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HOUSE SEATS, MANAGED TO RETAIN THE SENATE. DID THAT GIVE A SENSE OF URGENCY TO
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| 00:40:04 |
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DEALING WITH THE ISSUE? >> WELL, IT'S LIKE RIGHT NOW. THIS WEEK SOCIAL SECURITY IS IN THE NEWS AGAIN ABOUT HOW EVERY YEAR 600
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| 00:40:16 |
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BILLION -- IT'S NOT GOING TO GET
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| 00:40:18 |
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FIXED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T RUN OUT OF MONEY FOR 15 YEARS. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYBODY IN CONGRESS TO FIX IT UNTIL THEY HAVE TO. I MAY BE WRONG,...
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| 00:40:29 |
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BOAT. SUDDENLY SOMEBODY HAD TO FIX IT OR WE WEREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE PAYMENTS ON TIME. IF YOU DELAY THE PAYMENTS FIVE DAYS THIS MONTH,...
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| 00:41:54 |
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| 00:41:55 |
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OF -- BOB, METROPOLITAN LIFE, CEO, VERY BRIGHT GUY. PROBABLY THE SMARTEST GUY ON THE COMMISSION. WE HAD THE HEARINGS, DID ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. ...
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| 00:43:31 |
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IT. THOSE DAYS YOU COULD UNDERSTAND
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| 00:43:36 |
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HIM. HE DID A GOOD JOB. >> DID HE HAVE POLITICAL INSTINCTS? >> I THINK SO. I DON'T THINK ALAN WAS PARTICULARLY EVER PARTISAN. THAT'S PROBABLY WHY HE...
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| 00:44:01 |
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IT. ANYWAY, WE FINALLY GOT IT ALL
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| 00:44:04 |
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PATCHED TOGETHER. THEY GOT REAGAN TO SIGN OFF OR TIP. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY MET OR STAFF GOT TOGETHER AND RECOMMENDED THEY SIGN OFF. THEN WE MET...
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| 00:45:28 |
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THIS, I'M NOT SURETY CONSTITUTION WOULD BE WRITTEN YET. I WOULD
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| 00:45:35 |
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TAKE MY STUFF BACK AND TELL SENATOR BAKER, WHOEVER, WHAT WE ARE DOING, HOW WE ARE MAKING HEADWAY, SO IT WAS PRETTY OPEN. >> AND YOU MUST HAVE OBVIOUSLY...
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| 00:46:06 |
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SPINES OF THE NO TAX GROUP. WE HAD TO FIX IT. REAGAN ALWAYS SAID, GIVE ME
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| 00:46:18 |
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80% OR 90% OR EVEN 70%, I'LL TAKE IT. WE FIGURED HOW CAN WE, IF THEY ARE WILLING TO EXTEND THE AGE LIMIT, WE'VE GOT TO BE WILLING TO ACCEPT A TAX INCREASE....
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| 00:47:45 |
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ANYTHING. PEOPLE DO GET A LITTLE COMFORT IN A COMMISSION. IF THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE PEOPLE
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| 00:47:52 |
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ON IT FOR THE MOST PART, TALKING ABOUT LEADERS LIKE THE PRESIDENT, LIKE TIP AND SENATOR BAKER AND OTHERS, SO ONCE YOU GET THE LEADERSHIP BEHIND IT,...
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| 00:48:36 |
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CAN'T THINK OF THE
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| 00:48:37 |
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GUY, HIS ASSISTANT, HAD A PRETTY BAD DISABILITY. LEO SOMEBODY. HE WAS ALWAYS VERY NICE. THEN HE LATER, OF COURSE, STAYED AT THE SEAVIEW A LOT. BOUGHT...
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| 00:49:58 |
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SOCIAL SECURITY? >> I THINK WE GOT
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| 00:50:01 |
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A PLAQUE. THAT'S ABOUT IT. AND A LOT OF MIXED FEELINGS. >> TELL ME ABOUT THOSE. >> WELL, THE TAX INCREASE WAS NOT WELL ACCEPTED, AND RAISING THE AGE...
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| 00:50:17 |
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YET. IT'S KICKING IN, I GUESS. WE DIDN'T BOTHER ANYBODY'S
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| 00:50:22 |
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PRESENT BENEFITS. BUT YOU START EVEN TOUCHING, MENTIONING SOCIAL SECURITY AND THEN TO THINK
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| 00:50:29 |
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YOU ACTUALLY FIXED
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| 00:50:31 |
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IT? SORT OF LIKE THIS VETERAN STUFF. ALL THE PEOPLE OUT THERE, I THINK THERE ARE 30 SOME MILLION GETTING SOCIAL SECURITY, 31 MILLION. I THOUGHT AFTER...
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| 00:51:15 |
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DEFICITS MATTER AND FISCAL RESTRAINT. IT REALLY, DIDN'T IT BEGIN TO ERODE DURING THE REAGAN YEARS? >> I THINK EARLY ON REAGAN WAS ONBOARD. I THINK,...
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| 00:51:46 |
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CUTS. YOU CUT SOME OTHER THINGS FIRST. THEN YOU HANG AROUND THIS PLACE A WHILE AND THE SPECIAL INTERESTS MOVE IN, AND THEY'VE GOT FRIENDS IN THE WHITE...
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| 00:52:47 |
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HE SET IN MOTION BOTH. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I BLAME REAGAN FOR -- I DIDN'T LIKE WHEN HE ALWAYS BLAMED CONGRESS BECAUSE I WAS IN CONGRESS. WE DIDN'T...
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| 00:53:16 |
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TO CUT IT BUT CONGRESS WANTED TO DO THESE CRAZY THINGS. YOU CAN'T WIN WHEN HE'S GOT ONE MEGAPHONE AND WE HAVE 535. I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE ARE GOING...
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| 00:54:57 |
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BECAME MAJORITY LEADER AND MRS. DOLE WAS IN THE CABINET? HOW DID YOU HANDLE THAT?
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| 00:55:01 |
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IT WAS A UNIQUE SITUATION. >> I DON'T KNOW. I ALWAYS TRIED TO
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| 00:55:11 |
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AVOID WHEN SHE WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED. TRY TO GET SOMEBODY ELSE TAKE CARE OF THAT SO I WOULDN'T. >> THERE WERE SUBJECTS YOU AVOIDED DISCUSSING? >> YEAH....
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| 00:55:27 |
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LOT AND I NEVER PAID MUCH ATTENTION TO IT. I FIGURED SHE WAS A BIG GIRL AND SHE HAD TO DO HER JOB AND I HAD TO DO MINE. I DON'T REMEMBER EVER HAVING...
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| 00:55:41 |
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TO SORT OF
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| 00:55:43 |
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RECUSE MYSELF OR VOTE PRESENT OR SOMETHING ON A LABOR BILL OR SOMETHING. AND ELIZABETH IS PRETTY MUCH DOWN THE LINE ADMINISTRATION. PRESIDENT WAS HER...
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| 00:56:40 |
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JOHN WARNER LIVED IN THE SAME BUILDING. WE NEVER SAW JOHN. TO SHOW UP THAT SUNDAY, I'M NOT SURE HE LIVED AT THE WATERGATE. ANYYOU ANYWAY, HE HAPPENED...
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| 00:56:56 |
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KNOW, YOU OUGHT TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE LEADERSHIP. YOU OUGHT TO BE THINKING ABOUT RUNNING FOR LEADER. I SAID COME ON, JOHN, AND I MAY HAVE THOUGHT...
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| 00:57:48 |
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QUESTION. CAN I COUNT TO TEN OR
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| 00:57:56 |
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FIVE. >> WAS ALAN SIMPSON HELPFUL IN THAT RACE? >> I THINK SO. YEAH. I THINK ALAN, IT'S KIND OF IRONIC, HE WAS DEFEATED, I THINK I TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE,...
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| 00:58:19 |
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ON "MEET THE PRESS" ONE SUNDAY RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION OF THE
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| 00:58:23 |
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LEADERS, AND I MENTIONED THAT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM, AND McCONNELL WAS LISTENING, AND HE WENT OFF, HE CALLED ME...
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| 00:59:24 |
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PART OF
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| 00:59:26 |
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THE COUNTRY, AND STEVENS HAD KIND OF AN EDGE TO HIM. I REMEMBER HE USED TO SAY I NEVER LOSE MY TEMPER, I USE MY TEMPER. DIMENICI, GREAT GUY. McCLURE,...
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20? I KNOW
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STEVENS
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LOST BY THREE VOTES AND HE WAS OBVIOUSLY UPSET BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD PROMISED HIM. HERE HE'S ON THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE AND HE THOUGHT, HE SAID IF...
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AGAIN BUT THEY'RE GOOD, SO. HE PROBABLY TOLD YOU EVERY JOKE YOU KNEW, RIGHT? >> HE TOLD A FEW. BUT THE POINT IS, TO HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR AND A SENSE...
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THE RIDICULOUSNESS AND IN THIS TOWN, YOU REALLY -- >> HE HAD A LOT OF COURAGE. HE TOOK ON THE VETERANS GROUPS. HE REALLY TOOK ON -- AND AARP, BECAUSE...
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BALANCE. BUT AL GETS SOMETHING IN HIS MIND AND HE WAS
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PRO-CHOICE REPUBLICAN. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> TRIAL LAWYER. I THINK TRIAL LAWYER. YOU KNOW, MODERATE CONSERVATIVE, I WOULD SAY. BUT YEAH, GOT ALONG. SOME...
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HIS COLLEAGUE, MALCOLM WALLUP. I THINK I'VE TOLD YOU THAT STORY WHERE WE WERE HAVING A MEETING ONE DAY, A CONFERENCE WHERE ALL THE REPUBLICANS COME...
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THE STSTAFF, I GOT TO DO MY WORK FOR DOLE, I WANT TO GET AHEAD OF KASSELBAUM SO THEY'RE OUT THERE PUSHING AROUND EACH OTHER. NANCY AND I JUST HAD AN...
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TO, YOU KNOW, ONE-UPMANSHIP BUT SOMETIMES, IT GETS PRETTY BRUTAL WHEN YOU'VE GOT -- PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY DON'T AGREE. AND MALCOLM AND ALAN WERE FRIENDS...
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BROOK. YOU HAD THE NEW JERSEY SENATOR, CLIFF CASE. 10 OR 12. SCOTT, YEAH. WE ONLY HAD,
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WHAT, 38, 40 REPUBLICANS. SO THEY HAD A PRETTY GOOD -- JACK JAVITS. THE OTHER SENATOR FROM NEW YORK,. >> CHARLIE GOODELL. >> CHARLIE GOODELL WAS A DAIRY...
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GOOD? I MEAN, IS
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THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT WING OF THE PARTY -- >> I HOPE NOT. I HOPE WE GET MORE PEOPLE LIKE THE SENIOR CHAFFEY. JUNIOR CHAFFEY, I NEVER THOUGHT --...
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THOUGHT. BUT HIS FATHER WAS
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GREAT. HE WAS A TRUE MODERATE, GET SOMETHING DONE
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REPUBLICAN. I NEVER KNEW LINCOLN THAT WELL. AND JOHN WOULD FIGHT FOR -- BOY, HE WOULD TAKE YOU TO THE MAT. I REMEMBER ON HEALTH CARE, THE YEAR THAT MITCHELL...
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THINK WE HAVE ALREADY
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COVERED, BUT I THINK CONNIE MACK THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA, GET THE GUY OUT OF HERE. >> ANYTHING TO WIN? >> BUT -- YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE...
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TITLED "A SECRET
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HISTORY OF THE I.R.A." THE BOOK FOLLOWS THE EFFORTS OF THE I.R.A. TO CREATE AN INDEPENDENT IRISH STATE AND
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