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THE PRESIDENTIAL DETAIL AND SECURITY PREPARATIONS IN DALLAS. THE SECOND HALF OF THE INTERVIEW WHICH COVERS THE ASSASSINATION AND ITS IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH...
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TREASURY SCHOOL AND THEN A SECRET SERVICE-TYPE SCHOOL WHERE YOU JUST DEALT WITH SECRET SERVICE THINGS. >> IN THE PRESIDENTIAL DETAIL THAT YOU WERE...
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| 00:01:30 |
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IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE, YOU'RE STATIONED AT THE WHITE HOUSE. IF THE PRESIDENT IS ON THE TRIP EITHER OVERSEAS OR TO
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DALLAS OR WHEREVER, THE SHIFTS GO ALONG. IF THE PRESIDENT IS ONLY GOING TO BE STOPPING IN DALLAS DURING THE DAY, LIKE HE WAS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN 1963,...
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| 00:02:37 |
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PROTECTABLE AND SO FORTH,
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| 00:02:40 |
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THEN THERE ARE THESE OFFSHOOT -- YOU KNOW, SMALLER DETAILS THAT ARE INVOLVED. THEY'RE ALL PART OF THE PRESIDENTIAL PROTECTIVE DIVISION. BUT IF THE...
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| 00:03:22 |
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OFFICE. WHICH I DID IN SYRACUSE. ON THE PRESIDENTIAL PROTECTIVE
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DIVISION WHICH, IN THOSE DAYS, WAS CALLED THE WHITE HOUSE DETAIL. YOU REPORTED TO THE SPECIAL
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AGENT IN CHARGE OF THAT DETAIL
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WHO HAD ASSISTANCE AND ASSISTANTS TO THE ASSISTANTS AND SO FORTH. I WAS ASSIGNED DURING -- WHILE I WAS IN SECRET SERVICE SCHOOL BECAUSE WE WERE THERE...
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WHATEVER. AND YOU TRY, EVEN TO THIS DAY, NOT
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| 00:04:50 |
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TO GET TOO FAMILIAR. YOU SPOKE WHEN YOU WERE SPOKEN TO UNLESS THERE WAS A REASON, YOU KNOW, FOR BRINGING SOMETHING TO THEIR ATTENTION OR SOMETHING....
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| 00:05:39 |
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THE SUMMER BEFORE HE WAS ASSASSINATE ASSASSINATED, THAT WAS THE SUMMER OF 1963. HE HAS A NUMBER OF STOPS IN IRELAND, OF COURSE, OVER A COUPLE OF DAYS....
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| 00:05:50 |
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STOPS, HE WAS IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND SO FORTH, COUNCIL CHAMBERS. CAME OUT AND THE CROWDS WERE JUST TREMENDOUS. AND I THINK IT WAS COUNTY COURT, BUT...
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| 00:08:24 |
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EVENTS? >> I
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| 00:08:25 |
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DO. WE WERE IN CHICAGO ON A TRIP. I BELIEVE I WAS WORKING ON THE 4:00
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TO 12:00 SHIFT. AND HE HAD BEEN TO SOME TYPE OF EVENT IN TOWN THAT
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EVENING. SO IT WAS
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| 00:08:39 |
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LIKE A SPEECH AT A DINNER OR
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| 00:08:40 |
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SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND WE GOT BACK TO THE HOTEL
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| 00:08:45 |
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THAT HE WAS STAYING IN. AT ONE POINT I WAS STATIONED AT HIS DOOR IN THE QUARTER IN THE HOTEL, AND ALL KINDS OF SCURRYING AROUND AND SO FORTH WAS GOING...
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| 00:09:54 |
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KENNEDY AND SO FORTH. YEAH. OF COURSE, PRESIDENT JOHNSON -- VICE PRESIDENT JOHNSON THEN HAD A DIFFERENT DETAIL THAN US. AND SO FORTH. AND OUR PATHS...
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| 00:10:10 |
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OFTEN. >> WHAT ABOUT PRESIDENT KENNEDY AND HIS CHILDREN? DID YOU EVER SEE THEM TOGETHER? >> I SAW THEM OUT. SAW THEM A LOT. SAW THEM BOTH AT THE WHITE...
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| 00:10:31 |
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OR UP IN HYANNIS OR PLACES LIKE THAT. THEY PLAYED TOGETHER A LOT. HE WAS A
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| 00:10:36 |
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VERY GOOD FAMILY MAN. >> DID PRESIDENT KENNEDY, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, OR DID YOU HEAR HIM EVER MENTION OR TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME SORT OF...
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| 00:11:02 |
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I DIDN'T -- DID AN ADVANCE FOR THE PRESIDENT IN BUFFALO OR NIAGARA FALLS. HE WAS GOING TO NEW YORK FOR THE POLISH DAY PARADE. SEW LANDED
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| 00:11:16 |
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IN NIAGARA FALLS. AT A MARINE BASE THAT WAS ADJACENT TO THE NIAGARA FALLS AIRPORT THERE. TOOK A MOTORCADE TO DOWNTOWN BUFFALO, WENT OUT A LITTLE WAYS...
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| 00:13:35 |
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GREAT? >> NOT JUST BECAUSE THE ENERGY AND SO FORTH THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THE WHOLE -- THE WHOLE IDEA. LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER THE ASSASSINATION...
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| 00:14:00 |
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AND BE STANDING UNDER ONE OF THOSE BIG OKAY TREES OUT IN FRONT AND IT WOULD BE 2:00 IN THE MORNING, IT WOULD BE COLD. YOU'D THINK, WHAT IN THE WORLD...
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| 00:15:46 |
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YES. THERE WAS A TIME IN THE PALM BEACH AREA WHEN SOMEONE WAS ARRESTED DOWN THERE, COMING DOWN THERE TO DO SOMETHING, THE PRESIDENT -- AT LEAST HE SAID...
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| 00:16:06 |
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KNOW, YOU'VE GOT HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. AND EVERYBODY CRUSHING IN ON YOU AND SO FORTH. YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. I REMEMBER A...
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| 00:17:22 |
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SOME INVESTIGATIVE THINGS ALSO THAT PATHS WOULD CROSS ON THE INVESTIGATION AND WHATEVER. BUT THEY
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| 00:17:31 |
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DIDN'T -- THEY WEREN'T REALLY A PART OF THE PROTECTION, PER SE. THEY WERE INTELLIGENCEWISE AND ALL THAT, YEAH. THERE WERE PROBABLY, AFTER THE WARREN...
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| 00:18:15 |
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MUSEUM? >> I CAN'T THINK OF ANY RIGHT NOW -- WELL, YES, I CAN THINK OF ANOTHER ONE. >> OKAY. >> I HAD THE ADVANCE TO BERLIN, HIS FAMOUS BERLINER SPEECH....
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| 00:18:39 |
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OR FIVE-COUNTRY STOP. AS A MATTER OF FACT, HE HAD TWO IN -- TWO STOPS IN
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GERMANY. HE HAD MAYBE SIX OR SEVEN STOPS IN BERLIN
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| 00:18:50 |
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ITSELF LIKE CHECKPOINT CHARLIE, BRANDENBURG GATE, THE EMBASSY AREA, BERLIN UNIVERSITY AND SO FORTH. DOWN AT THE HALL WHERE HE GAVE HIS SPEECH THAT I JUST...
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| 00:21:28 |
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TWO PEOPLE WENT OUT AND WENT OUT ABOUT THE SAME TIME. BUT BECAUSE HE HAD SOME STOPS BOTH IN FLORIDA
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| 00:21:36 |
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AND IN MARYLAND A WEEK OR SO BEFORE THE TEXAS STOPS, AND ALSO BECAUSE HE HAD NOT ONLY THE DALLAS STOP, BUT HE HAD HOUSTON, SAN ANTONIO, FT. WORTH,...
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| 00:23:32 |
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OR DID, I SHOULDN'T SAY DO BECAUSE NOW THEY'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE AND ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT WE DIDN'T
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| 00:23:39 |
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HAVE. BUT THE ADVANCE AGENT HAS TO WORK WITH WHAT THEY CALL A POLITICAL ADVANCE MAN OR WOMAN THAT COMES FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. SOMETIMES THEY BORROW...
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| 00:26:03 |
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SOMEPLACE ELSE, THERE'S USUALLY A VIP SECTION IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT HANDLES VIPs, HENCE THE NAME, THAT COME TO TOWN. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S...
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| 00:26:16 |
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WELL-KNOWN ROCK GROUP OR WHETHER IT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL OR WHATEVER. AND OFTEN THAT PERSON IS A SERGEANT, A LIEUTENANT OR ONCE IN...
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| 00:28:40 |
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IT WAS GOING TO BE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE SPEECH/LUNCHEON SITE WAS GOING TO BE. IT WAS EITHER GOING TO BE AT PROBABLY AT THE BUILDING AT...
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| 00:28:56 |
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OF THE EVENT, WENT TO BOTH PLACES. AND IT WAS LATER DETERMINED THAT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO GO TO THE TRADEMARK. AND SO THEN...
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| 00:30:07 |
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MEAN, THEORETICALLY, YOU COULD PROBABLY MAKE SOME KIND OF A LITTLE BRIDGELIKE THING TO GET OVER IT AND WHATEVER. IT WAS DECIDED BY THE POLICE AND BY...
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| 00:30:24 |
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LOCAL FIELD OFFICE AND BY ME THAT KNOWING WHAT WE HAD TO DO AND WHERE WE HAD TO GO AND THE TIME OF DAY WE HAD TO DO IT, THAT WAS THE BEST ROUTE. ...
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| 00:31:50 |
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THINK NOW, WE'RE TALKING ALMOST TALKING YEARS, BUT A LOT OF WHICH I WAS TRYING TO FORGET THINGS RATHER THAN TRYING TO REMEMBER THINGS. AND AS I RECALL,...
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| 00:32:01 |
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AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE WOMEN'S BUILDING WHERE THE LUNCHEON WAS GOING TO BE AND SOME OTHER PROBLEMS. IT WAS PRETTY QUICK SHOT. SINCE WE HAD TO COME...
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| 00:32:52 |
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AND THEY TALK ABOUT HAVING TROUBLE HAVING CONFRONTATIONS WITH THE SECRET SERVICE TRYING TO OPEN UP THAT AREA TO GET SEATING UP THERE. DO YOU RECALL...
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| 00:33:05 |
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YOU COULDN'T REALLY HAVE, YOU
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| 00:33:08 |
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KNOW, AS I RECALL, THERE WERE VARIOUS OF THESE WALKWAYS FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER AND UP, LIKE, ON ONE LEVEL AND ANOTHER LEVEL AND ANOTHER LEVEL. I...
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| 00:33:22 |
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AND ALL THAT. AND YOU WOULDN'T WANT ANYBODY OVER HIM. ANOTHER THING THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED IS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE TO PUT ON POSTS...
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| 00:34:16 |
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| 00:34:17 |
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IS NO WAY POSSIBLE SHAPE OR MANNER THAT THE SECRET SERVICE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME CLOSE TO DOING WHAT THEY DO WITHOUT THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES, BE IT CITY...
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| 00:34:26 |
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SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT,
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| 00:34:27 |
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THE STATE PATROL, HIGHWAY TROOPERS, WHATEVER. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ESPECIALLY BACK IN THOSE DAYS WHEN THERE WERE VERY FEW...
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| 00:36:00 |
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POSSIBLE. >> IN YOUR ADVANCE
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| 00:36:02 |
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WORK, DID YOU EVER VISIT PARKLAND HOSPITAL? >> OH, YES, I WENT THERE BEFORE THE EVENT. >> THAT WAS STANDARD TO ALWAYS VISIT THE LOCAL HOSPITAL AND ARRANGE...
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| 00:36:23 |
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AT A HOTEL AND
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A BALL GAME AND
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| 00:36:28 |
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A CIVIC RECEPTION OR THIS OR THAT, IT'S NOT
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| 00:36:32 |
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UNCOMMON TO HAVE SEVEN OR EIGHT DIFFERENT -- ESPECIALLY IF AN EVENT'S GOING ON, AFTERNOON, EVENING, THE NEXT MORNING OR WHATEVER. SO YOU PICK OUT WHAT...
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| 00:38:22 |
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SENSE OF AWARENESS, I SHOULD SAY? BECAUSE OF THIS? >> I THINK THERE WAS WITH THE POLICE. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION IS
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| 00:38:32 |
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WHY CHIEF CURRY AND
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| 00:38:34 |
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THE ASSISTANT CHIEF AND SOME DEPUTY CHIEFS AND SO FORTH WERE PART OF THIS WHOLE THING ALL THE TIME. AND MAYBE EVEN -- THAT MAY BE WHY, FOR THE FIRST...
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| 00:38:47 |
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BEING ASSIGNED LIEUTENANT OR SERGEANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TO BE THE LIAISON, THAT THESE HIGH-RANKING OFFICERS WERE PART OF THIS ADVANCE. NOW, THAT'S...
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| 00:39:32 |
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AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT THAT MORNING WHEN YOU MET THE PARTY AND PICK UP THE STORY THERE. >> I THINK I HAD A FEW THINGS TO DO
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| 00:39:41 |
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AND WENT OVER TO THE TRADEMARK AND LEFT
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| 00:39:48 |
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AGENT GRANT OFF WHO HAD JOINED ME A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE
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| 00:39:51 |
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THAT AND WHO WAS GOING TO BE THE SITE AGENT AT THE TRADEMARK. AGENT AT THE TRADE MART, AND NATURALLY,
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| 00:39:59 |
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THERE WERE MANY QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED BY PEOPLE COMING UP HERE. LIKE EVERY -- WHAT DO WE DO HERE? HOW ABOUT THIS PROBLEM? HOW ABOUT THAT PROBLEM?...
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| 00:40:30 |
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OF THE TIME THE WHITE HOUSE COMMUNICATION, SINCE THE WHCA, WHICH IS, THEY CALL WHCA, JUST FOR SOMETHING EASY TO SAY, YES, THEY COME TO TOWN TO MAKE...
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| 00:40:48 |
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THAT WELL, ESPECIALLY IF WE'D HAPPEN TO BE -- THERE WAS A FIELD OFFICER HERE, A FIELD OFFICER, BUT IF HE'D HAVE BEEN IN OH SOME TOWN 50 MILES AWAY,...
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| 00:43:36 |
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THE DALLAS FIELD OFFICE. AND SO
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| 00:43:42 |
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THEY NEEDED HELP OUT AT THE AIRPORT. TOOK ONE OR TWO OF THEM. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH, OUT THERE, AND TOOK ONE OR TWO OF THE AGENTS PARTICULAR THE FIELD...
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| 00:44:14 |
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THE OFF-DUTY SHIFT AGENTS OVER TO THE TRADE
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| 00:44:17 |
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MART AND ONE OR TWO OF THEM FOR DUTY THERE AT LOVE FIELD. I SAY ON DUTY SHIFT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STILL GOES ON, BUT IN THOSE DAYS, WHEN WE HAD...
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| 00:47:43 |
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CAR. AND THE BUBBLE
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| 00:47:46 |
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TOP WHICH WAS PLASTIC, I THINK MOST PEOPLE THAT EVEN KNEW THERE WAS SUCH A THING FIGURED THAT THERE PROBABLY WAS AND LOOKING BACK AT IT, YOU WONDER...
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| 00:48:42 |
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AWFUL LOT. IT THAT DOUBLE TOP HAD BEEN ON, WOULD HE HAVE TRIED -- WOULD OSWALD HAVE TRIED THE SHOT AT ALL? HE MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT, WHOOPS, THIS ISN'T...
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